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>Jokic has played 57 more minutes than Embiid this season. Equivalent of a game and a quarter.
(Not to mention how much harder it is to be a premier two way player. You get the sense Embiid could have played another 10 games easily if he was a one way player).
>Embiid has logged 224 more minutes than Giannis. That’s more than 4.5 full 48 min ballgames. Voters look at total games played but workload should probably matter too.
Jokic has played 67 games and a total of 2272 minutes.
Embiid has played 64 games and a total of 2215 minutes.
Giannis has played 62 games and a total of 1991 minutes.
by LebenJammons
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Minutes…We talkin’ bout minutes?
What’s next? A literal dick measuring contest?
All this tells me is there is more bucks blowouts than Denver and 76er blow outs lol
I’m tired, just give the award to Conley or whatever.
If we’re going to talk about minutes, then we should be extrapolating stats at per 36 rather than at per game too. Because the per game stats already help account for the difference in minutes played.
And if we do that, Giannis beats Embiid in points/rebounds/assists.
48-19 is better than 42-22
Giannis and Bucks needing fewer minutes per game to win is a plus.
That also means more minutes for the bench mob and better team chemistry
So they’ve all played a similar number of games with reasonably similar workloads. Got it.
Only in the warped MVP addled brain discussion on this sub would Giannis putting up the numbers he does in the minutes he plays be construed as a bad thing.
> (Not to mention how much harder it is to be a premier two way player. You get the sense Embiid could have played another 10 games easily if he was a one way player).
This has truly become pathetic
Only played a game and a quarter more in minutes but has 6 more wins in games played this season.
Sounds like MVP to me
>You get the sense Embiid could have played another 10 games easily if he was a one way player).
Embiid should stop playing defense if it’s bad for his health
To me minutes are a really poor measure- if you play and your team is up 30 at halftime and you sit the second half then that isn’t less valuable.
Sitting out completely isn’t valuable to a team. Actually leading your team to wins is what matters.
Mikail Brodges is gonna play 83 games and led 2 teams to the playoffs and he plays both ends.
My MVP
Steph curry won unanimously sitting out half of the 4th quarters. this is stupid
So much coping. If Nuggets weren’t coasting to #1 Jokic would likely be playing. They got so far ahead of the pack he doesnt need to play. That’s because when he plays they win at a higher percentage.
Also now do their w/l and win shares, or really literally any metric outside of ppg.
I hope it’s Giannis just so these kids stay salty at this point. “He campaigned really hard for it”, “come on give him a turn, please, the other guys already had their turn and should be held to a higher standard than Embiid” might work, though. People already buying into it.
If I was out here campaigning for this as hard as Embiid and Philly fans that’s what I’d do. Don’t make it where you lose comparing the active guys, keep making it about Jokic vs the all time greats who won 3 while pretending Giannis isn’t in the picture. That’s the best way to do it. They should be targeting the swing MVP voters that don’t watch enough basketball, not this shit targeting Philly fans, because that’s literally all this is. Keep staying away from the h2h where Embiid ducks Jokic in Denver and got crushed by Giannis, just keep making it this years Jokic vs prime MJ/Magic/etc and not giving Giannis any attention and hammer home the PPG. That’s the play to ice it.
I mean throw in the Bucks record and how they could afford to sit Giannis. Also the thing with Giannis is he typically sits more then other stars because the speed that he plays at as a 7 footer is unheard of
Support for Giannis coming from a 76ers fan! Tuesday starting crazy
6ers doing mental gymnastics to justify embiid over Jokic and giannis💀
It absolutely should matter, but we do stats on a per-game basis usually so MPG differences are already basically accounted for.
If someone is pointing to per-minute stats (which probably would make Giannis look like the runaway MVP), then this context is much more valuable.
Forget minutes, MVP should be decided by total steps taken all season. Give them all a Fitbit at the beginning of the season and they turn it in after the last game.
As a sixers fan this take is dogshit lmao
This is dumb man can we please stop this. Also this is dumb because it holds the bucks blowing teams out in 3 quarters against Giannis
Embiid and the Sixers have killed the MVP award. Now all I want is anyone but Embiid to win MVP and for the Sixers to lose early in the playoffs.
Just give me the award. Make everyone mad.
This is somehow the most annoying MVP season of all time. The narratives all year have been pushed by idiot stat heads that don’t watch games.
Embiid’s an MVP candidate because he’s a 2-way player. We already have Embiid as a one-way player – it’s called Karl-Anthony Towns
Bc that’s all his team needs when he plays
This is outlandishly dumb.
Really dumb argument. Why would you punish someone for sitting out 4th quarters? Jokic does more in fewer minutes but Embiid will win.
Me the first sentence 😁😁
Me the 3rd sentence 😤😡
I originally had no horse in this race. But damn this post straight up makes me wanna pray that Embiid doesn’t win just so homer’s like you can cry even more
Did you guys see how this got reposted in the Sixers sub without the first half of the tweet? Lmao
So you are punishing efficiency?
Giannis scores 30 in 28 minutes then proceeds to sit TF down
Why Jokic need to log more minutes when Nuggets are up 20 in the 4th?
Jokić needs less time to achieve better results
Minutes & games are all pretty arbitrary stats that don’t reflect the opportunity to produce. Possessions is the stat to use. Among the 3 guys:
Points – 1) Embiid 2) Giannis 3)Jokic
Assists – 1) Jokic 2) Giannis 3) Embiid
Rebounds – 1) Giannis 2) Jokic 3) Embiid
Steals – 1) Jokic 2) Embiid 3) Giannis
Blocks – 1) Embiid 2) Giannis 3) Jokic
Fewest Turnovers – 1) Embiid 2) Jokic 3) Giannis
Fewest Fouls Given – 1) Jokic 2) Embiid 3) Giannis
FT Attempts – 1) Giannis 2) Embiid 3) Jokic
Assists/Potential Assists (rate at which the player receiving the pass scores vs. misses or turns over) – 1) Embiid 2) Jokic 3) Giannis
All 3 have different play styles & pace, and play in different systems with different roles. Embiid has Harden to handle assists & typically the game plan calls for him to get back on transition defense rather than crash the offensive boards. Jokic & Giannis start with the ball more on offense, leading to more assist opportunities per possession.