I think people are prisoner of the moment rn. You’ve got two wings under 26, even IF you want to move on you HAVE to retain the asset so that you can trade them later.
I’m willing to give these guys another year with a proper off-season and then go from there
BradyGronktd1287
Gotta sign him to a new contract to keep his value high if you eventually decide to trade him.
Coco1520
I just am not convinced a wing/wing combo can win a championship. There is too much overlap in their games, both so ball dominate in clutch it leads to iso plays. They cant play off each other in the way a guard/wing or wing/forward could. I cant think of any championship team formed in this manner.
LonelyPleb
The new CBA is absolutely brutal to taxpaying teams. Having a player like Jaylen Brown on a supermax is extremely bad if you want to build a contender.
guitarpatch
They might need to rethink the PG role in this offense. Someone who can get these two into their spots, who can get to the rim and defend.
The idea of each of them being the primary playmaker gets really inconsistent when one goes to the bench. They might need to tweak that role in those situations
Especially Jaylen. You’re not exactly putting him in a position to succeed there
SquimJim
Some things to consider about the financial and team building stuff:
1. We still have 2 years before we have to worry about the repeater or losing access to draft picks
2. Tatum’s big payday doesn’t kick in for another 2 years
3. All of our contracts except for potentially Tatum, Brown, Smart, Timelord, and Grant (if we re-sign him) will come off the books in 2 years
4. In 2 years, Brown will still be closer to the beginning of his prime than the end. This isn’t Bradley Beal signing a 5 year contract at 28.
5. Those that start deep in the tax will be at a competitive advantage over the next couple of years, as it will only become harder and harder to go deep and catch those that are.
6. Cap smoothing will be raising the cap by larger portions than usual over the next few years, so a 35% max won’t be as huge a percentage comparatively come the end of the smoothing process
7. If you stay deep in the tax the next 2 years, get under for 2 years after, and then go deep for eternity, you won’t have to worry about the repeater for 7 years and you won’t have to worry about losing access to draft picks for 14 years. By that time we will have a new CBA and Tatum will be 32 years old
TL;DR: We have at least 2 more years before we have to make tough decisions, but until then we are just fine. Give Brown the big money now and make the hard decisions later
kokain99
The C’s have made their bed with this core for the most part. If you want to keep Tatum happy you extend Brown. Who’s going to want him when he can walk after a year anyway?
saluting
Very good chance they never win a title now
rired1963
wooohooo. hooray. yipee. i’m whelmed.
GirthyGomez
Nope trade tht bum how many years do u want to watch this guy lay stinkers in big games , slip and slide all over the court , dribble 😧 360 then get stripped or make a terrible turnover .
DrJaylenBrown
For me, I think it could be what’s best for the franchise to sign and trade him (if possible) to Portland for Simmons and the 3rd pick. This gives us a point guard to run pick and roll with Tatum, but also a young talent to pair with Tatum who gives us generational coverage.
The kicker is- you do whatever makes Tatum happiest.
OHBSquishy
Good. Let Brown get better abd shut these haters tf up. We are so lucky we have him AND Tatum. Yall fr don’t realize. They will get us to the top
chrisv784
Dude needs to get out of the pool and get on a basketball court and work on his handling and defense.
zoolandermodelidiot
That’s a shame
Yoshable
Good job Brad, continue infuriating your fan base.
And I don’t mean just by signing JB. He’s effectively continuing the same style of heart attack basketball that we played through all season. I don’t enjoy watching games, they’re stressful and frustrating. A lot of that has to do with stupid plays and turnovers. One player certainly causes more of those than any other.
MarvelSports
We need to keep him. We need to trade smart and get someone who can dribble the ball and dish out to shooters
Geraltpoonslayer
Sign him but I think we will eventually need to trade him for a playmaker. If Luka ever makes it clear he wants out of Denver we need to our best to get him.
As it stands jaylen is in his 8th year. He won’t get the handles, bbiq or offball movement we need from him.
Flytanx
We have to change something, somewhere. If we keep brown then we have to try a different trade. We just lost to a team we should have swept on paper. Coaching is a problem too. I’m not smart enough to know what traded to make, but a new, proven, head coach, and at least try some sort of major trade. I’d rather go down swinging than keep hoping Tatum and brown can put it together as a duo
tonylouis1337
Making Jaylen Brown the highest paid player in the league probably closes our championship window 🤷♂️
LGAMER3412
Great 👍
bozovisk
News: No News
okay4sure
Look at the end of the day he played bad.
I’m willing to give him another chance as he has shown that he can improve
M6D-Tsk
People might disagree but I have to say all of the Jaylen Brown hate is so reactionary and people are just not thinking straight amidst a tough loss. Does Brown need to improve his handles? Absolutely, but it has never been this poor at his current level until his obvious wrist injury that he has to ice before every game. He has shown that he can excel at the highest level in almost every playoff series including the NBA finals against the Warriors. His handle has never been THAT bad prior to the injury.
I see fans give a pass to Tatum for his ankle injury and Brogdon for his tendon injury and I agree wholeheartedly. The same should be given for Brown. Lets not act that the Heat series showed what those three players are capable of when we have seen them play so much better in the past against so many other great playoff teams including the very same Heat we beat last year.
ahighkid
The best case scenario is Jaylen re-signing. I don’t see a way we trade him and maintain our position at the top of the east. If we were playing 2k franchise mode then sure, trading Jaylen for pick #3 and Simons would work out in the long run. But do you thing JT wants to sit around and wait for guys to develop as he enters his prime? Do you think Brad, who has never even made a first round pick as our GM, wants to suddenly go young and retool? The only players who might potentially be available who could replace JB and maintain our spot in the east would be Durant who is in his late 30s; and Embiid who would cost Jaylen +++…there is not an easy or clear answer if he asks out. But if he stays, we maintain, we develop the roster, we hire some coaching help, and we come back better next year
4ndyp4ndy
Genuinely curious as a non Celtics fan who hasn’t watched him much –
Obviously JB has pretty good counting stats (P+R+A). But he also has shit handling, zero IQ, etc.
HOW does he put up so many points on good efficiency?
StaticMaine
I’m fine with this, but they need to be aware of the huge need of a player who drives culture.
Smart is not that guy. Let’s be real finally and say that. Tatum and Brown are awesome players, but not culture drivers. They’re lead by example guys.
You need a killer like Dame to play alongside these guys.
If that is not the goal, I do not get what they are doing.
rudedog1234
Idc what anyone says after this playoffs, I still think the biggest mistake Boston could make is not giving JB the contract
EttehEtteh
nooo he cant dribble
DocDRabbit
Unfortunate but expected
KilgoretheTrout55
If Tatum wants him here, he is here. That’s how the league works now. You keep you #1 star happy or he forced his way out.
Also, it’s the right move anyway. People are just emotional. After we lost to golden state everyone loved him over Tatum.
Fake_the_jaB
Oo we bringing him back? Hopefully we don’t run into the Heat cuz he is USELESS against the zone.
Machiniac
Max but no Super Max or trade him.
TheJaylenBrownNote
Ok but I don’t want this to happen. This isn’t a prisoner of the moment thing. I’ve never liked Jaylen’s game despite my username. You need a guy who is a better creator because it’s not like Tatum is a LeBron level wing creator, so you can’t just entrust him completely running an offense.
I’ve seen Murray, Okungwu, and Bey floated around and I don’t hate it. You would just obviously have to also trade Smart somewhere for that roster to work (presumably for shooting). You’d also assume Atlanta would do it because it makes more roster sense and they’d be extremely confident they could re-sign him. Murray might not be quite as talented as Jaylen but he’s a significantly better creator and I believe would be a better fit. Plus I’ve always liked Okungwu (shit I thought he should go first in that draft because I hated all the creators and he was so good at USC, although obviously Ant would go number one again) and Bey’s game.
StatWhines
“Shooting Guard / All-NBA Forward” always weirds me out.
reddgv
Sign JB, keep the core, maybe we will lose Grant, Galo will be back next season, see if there is evolution, if not in a year start listening to proposals to trade JB, he will be worth at least one player top 20 or a ton of picks.
This group is young (including the technician) and is far from missing the peak performance window.
TimelsChild
As a laker fan mark my word, this Celtics team is gonna win championships. JT and JB are so young. Keep them and build around them
ericdeben
I don’t know if he’ll improve his handles, but if Jaylen can learn to pass out of dribble drives he’ll be a much more effective player. I just know Spo was telling his team, “Every time JB drives into the paint, triple team him and go for the steal. Works every time.”
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I think people are prisoner of the moment rn. You’ve got two wings under 26, even IF you want to move on you HAVE to retain the asset so that you can trade them later.
I’m willing to give these guys another year with a proper off-season and then go from there
Gotta sign him to a new contract to keep his value high if you eventually decide to trade him.
I just am not convinced a wing/wing combo can win a championship. There is too much overlap in their games, both so ball dominate in clutch it leads to iso plays. They cant play off each other in the way a guard/wing or wing/forward could. I cant think of any championship team formed in this manner.
The new CBA is absolutely brutal to taxpaying teams. Having a player like Jaylen Brown on a supermax is extremely bad if you want to build a contender.
They might need to rethink the PG role in this offense. Someone who can get these two into their spots, who can get to the rim and defend.
The idea of each of them being the primary playmaker gets really inconsistent when one goes to the bench. They might need to tweak that role in those situations
Especially Jaylen. You’re not exactly putting him in a position to succeed there
Some things to consider about the financial and team building stuff:
1. We still have 2 years before we have to worry about the repeater or losing access to draft picks
2. Tatum’s big payday doesn’t kick in for another 2 years
3. All of our contracts except for potentially Tatum, Brown, Smart, Timelord, and Grant (if we re-sign him) will come off the books in 2 years
4. In 2 years, Brown will still be closer to the beginning of his prime than the end. This isn’t Bradley Beal signing a 5 year contract at 28.
5. Those that start deep in the tax will be at a competitive advantage over the next couple of years, as it will only become harder and harder to go deep and catch those that are.
6. Cap smoothing will be raising the cap by larger portions than usual over the next few years, so a 35% max won’t be as huge a percentage comparatively come the end of the smoothing process
7. If you stay deep in the tax the next 2 years, get under for 2 years after, and then go deep for eternity, you won’t have to worry about the repeater for 7 years and you won’t have to worry about losing access to draft picks for 14 years. By that time we will have a new CBA and Tatum will be 32 years old
TL;DR: We have at least 2 more years before we have to make tough decisions, but until then we are just fine. Give Brown the big money now and make the hard decisions later
The C’s have made their bed with this core for the most part. If you want to keep Tatum happy you extend Brown. Who’s going to want him when he can walk after a year anyway?
Very good chance they never win a title now
wooohooo. hooray. yipee. i’m whelmed.
Nope trade tht bum how many years do u want to watch this guy lay stinkers in big games , slip and slide all over the court , dribble 😧 360 then get stripped or make a terrible turnover .
For me, I think it could be what’s best for the franchise to sign and trade him (if possible) to Portland for Simmons and the 3rd pick. This gives us a point guard to run pick and roll with Tatum, but also a young talent to pair with Tatum who gives us generational coverage.
The kicker is- you do whatever makes Tatum happiest.
Good. Let Brown get better abd shut these haters tf up. We are so lucky we have him AND Tatum. Yall fr don’t realize. They will get us to the top
Dude needs to get out of the pool and get on a basketball court and work on his handling and defense.
That’s a shame
Good job Brad, continue infuriating your fan base.
And I don’t mean just by signing JB. He’s effectively continuing the same style of heart attack basketball that we played through all season. I don’t enjoy watching games, they’re stressful and frustrating. A lot of that has to do with stupid plays and turnovers. One player certainly causes more of those than any other.
We need to keep him. We need to trade smart and get someone who can dribble the ball and dish out to shooters
Sign him but I think we will eventually need to trade him for a playmaker. If Luka ever makes it clear he wants out of Denver we need to our best to get him.
As it stands jaylen is in his 8th year. He won’t get the handles, bbiq or offball movement we need from him.
We have to change something, somewhere. If we keep brown then we have to try a different trade. We just lost to a team we should have swept on paper. Coaching is a problem too. I’m not smart enough to know what traded to make, but a new, proven, head coach, and at least try some sort of major trade. I’d rather go down swinging than keep hoping Tatum and brown can put it together as a duo
Making Jaylen Brown the highest paid player in the league probably closes our championship window 🤷♂️
Great 👍
News: No News
Look at the end of the day he played bad.
I’m willing to give him another chance as he has shown that he can improve
People might disagree but I have to say all of the Jaylen Brown hate is so reactionary and people are just not thinking straight amidst a tough loss. Does Brown need to improve his handles? Absolutely, but it has never been this poor at his current level until his obvious wrist injury that he has to ice before every game. He has shown that he can excel at the highest level in almost every playoff series including the NBA finals against the Warriors. His handle has never been THAT bad prior to the injury.
I see fans give a pass to Tatum for his ankle injury and Brogdon for his tendon injury and I agree wholeheartedly. The same should be given for Brown. Lets not act that the Heat series showed what those three players are capable of when we have seen them play so much better in the past against so many other great playoff teams including the very same Heat we beat last year.
The best case scenario is Jaylen re-signing. I don’t see a way we trade him and maintain our position at the top of the east. If we were playing 2k franchise mode then sure, trading Jaylen for pick #3 and Simons would work out in the long run. But do you thing JT wants to sit around and wait for guys to develop as he enters his prime? Do you think Brad, who has never even made a first round pick as our GM, wants to suddenly go young and retool? The only players who might potentially be available who could replace JB and maintain our spot in the east would be Durant who is in his late 30s; and Embiid who would cost Jaylen +++…there is not an easy or clear answer if he asks out. But if he stays, we maintain, we develop the roster, we hire some coaching help, and we come back better next year
Genuinely curious as a non Celtics fan who hasn’t watched him much –
Obviously JB has pretty good counting stats (P+R+A). But he also has shit handling, zero IQ, etc.
HOW does he put up so many points on good efficiency?
I’m fine with this, but they need to be aware of the huge need of a player who drives culture.
Smart is not that guy. Let’s be real finally and say that. Tatum and Brown are awesome players, but not culture drivers. They’re lead by example guys.
You need a killer like Dame to play alongside these guys.
If that is not the goal, I do not get what they are doing.
Idc what anyone says after this playoffs, I still think the biggest mistake Boston could make is not giving JB the contract
nooo he cant dribble
Unfortunate but expected
If Tatum wants him here, he is here. That’s how the league works now. You keep you #1 star happy or he forced his way out.
Also, it’s the right move anyway. People are just emotional. After we lost to golden state everyone loved him over Tatum.
Oo we bringing him back? Hopefully we don’t run into the Heat cuz he is USELESS against the zone.
Max but no Super Max or trade him.
Ok but I don’t want this to happen. This isn’t a prisoner of the moment thing. I’ve never liked Jaylen’s game despite my username. You need a guy who is a better creator because it’s not like Tatum is a LeBron level wing creator, so you can’t just entrust him completely running an offense.
I’ve seen Murray, Okungwu, and Bey floated around and I don’t hate it. You would just obviously have to also trade Smart somewhere for that roster to work (presumably for shooting). You’d also assume Atlanta would do it because it makes more roster sense and they’d be extremely confident they could re-sign him. Murray might not be quite as talented as Jaylen but he’s a significantly better creator and I believe would be a better fit. Plus I’ve always liked Okungwu (shit I thought he should go first in that draft because I hated all the creators and he was so good at USC, although obviously Ant would go number one again) and Bey’s game.
“Shooting Guard / All-NBA Forward” always weirds me out.
Sign JB, keep the core, maybe we will lose Grant, Galo will be back next season, see if there is evolution, if not in a year start listening to proposals to trade JB, he will be worth at least one player top 20 or a ton of picks.
This group is young (including the technician) and is far from missing the peak performance window.
As a laker fan mark my word, this Celtics team is gonna win championships. JT and JB are so young. Keep them and build around them
I don’t know if he’ll improve his handles, but if Jaylen can learn to pass out of dribble drives he’ll be a much more effective player. I just know Spo was telling his team, “Every time JB drives into the paint, triple team him and go for the steal. Works every time.”