people losing it over the grange quote that was a misquote from this
Plantedballer
Will is so mad Pascal is getting traded lmao
EarthWarping
Appearance Quotes (Tried to be as direct a possible, had to paraphrase a few, didn’t include the locker room dynamics stuff since it was the same points he said earlier)
Part 1:
Will Lou says that it seems the Raptors are intent on moving Siakam
>Grange says that’s a totally valid characterization
>Nuance on this
>Are they trying to move him, he says no
>**Are they interested in moving him if the price is right? It’s indisputable that the answer is yes**
>If they don’t trade him Grange says that they’ll say “they were just testing his value”
>More on the ledger that “we’re trying to trade Pascal” than just dipping our toe in the water
>Not a “trade at any costs type of thing”
>**They emerged from the deadline that the most reasonable path forward to alter their lineup, avoid a situation with 4 max or near max players on their roster, is that if someone was likely to go it would be Pascal**
>Lead up to the draft, lots of discussions with the 2 pick, Charlotte listened
>He thinks there was a big pushback about the potential of Pascal going to Portland an extending, his preferred team is Toronto
>Cat’s out of the bag, once they got there (the draft discussions) and they’ve stayed there
Kokopolol
Why are they so intent on moving pascal if he wants to stay? He was great last year.
MDS_1996
How can the relationship not be at least partially damaged at this point?
EarthWarping
Appearance Quotes (Tried to be as direct a possible, had to paraphrase a few, didn’t include the locker room dynamics stuff since it was the same points he said earlier)
Part 2:
>Doesn’t think he’s (Siakam) coming to the rest of summer league, a small reflection on the fact there’s a little bit of a disconnect in the relationship right now
>**Grange doesn’t think been anything meaningful there (on extension talks), they are talking, but there hasn’t been any serious discussions, he says the only negotiating would be the length of the deal**
>They’re still not 100% sure if they’re going to go forward with the player or they’re going to trade the player
>**They did offer last offseason Pascal the max they could (he says 3/120-130)** Pascal wanted to wait, see if he could get all-nba didn’t work out on his end
>Raptors point of view, Grange says that they’re exploring their options after him turning them down (It’s business)
>**Grange doesn’t know if they were connected (Fred going to Houston and Pascal’s name increasing in trade talks)**
>**Fred could’ve came back and they would’ve considered moving Pascal**
>His guess is that you’d be looking at an area that you have strengths in order to fill out the rest of the lineup
>Still see OG as a younger player that’s an easier fit around Scottie
>**OG’s going to have to be maxed or near max**
>Will Lou says that he’s confused about the direction
>Grange says no clear direction on what they’re going to do other than them saying to get incrementally better
>**Their position is to keep good players around then Fred happened, wasn’t a trigger but it might have influenced some of their thinking**
>Tons of people around the league are asking “what are they doing”
>It wouldn’t take much for it become clear on what they’re doing (Referencing a Pascal trade)
>**Could be for a real good young player with years left on their contract, draft picks, prospect on their rosters, 1 good player into 4 potential assets**
>**Mentions that Pascal’s offseason home is in Orlando**
>If he’s traded and the team he’s traded to offers to extend him, chances are he’ll take the money
>**If you’re Orlando you might get a player who’s willing to stick around there**
>Grange can’t answer which team has the strongest offer
>**Atlanta has been very persistent can see a fit**
>Sounds like there’s opportunities to make deals
>**Come down to how hard a bargain Ujiri is going to drive**
>Never know, maybe they extend him
Eastern-Technology84
* if you want to enjoy your evening don’t listen to this podcast.
GuessableSevens
The best part of this interview was when Grange said Fred leaving had nothing to do with Siakam being shopped, and Will asks why that would make any sense.
Grange literally accidentally says “I haven’t asked him-” and then recovers and stampers “I haven’t asked anyone that directly” like it’s so fucking obvious his main source is just Masai lmaooo
Now, I do believe that shopping Siakam makes sense from a future roster perspective because you can’t offer OG and Scottie big deals if OG/FVV/Siakam/Scottie all want close to the max. However, Fred fucking left, dude. Now you actually have flexibility. Also, of that group, Siakam is literally a top 5 PF in the league, and he’s worth a 30% max extension… that is not the guy you move on from among that group. Fred would have been the guy you should have traded.
Nothing this FO has done since Tampa has made any sense. Like bottom 10 FO in terms of performance since 2021.
ExtremeNo1952
I’m down for a Pascal trade even though I like him, but some delusional fans are going to lose their mind when they realize he isn’t worth as much as they think.
Chris_TO79
The Grange interview was excellent and you really get the sense that the Raptors FO don’t really know what to do. It seems like they’re in a weird position overall. Will’s commentary at the end was quite incisive and pretty much reflects the frustration that fans have.
fdisfragameosoldiers
This is starting to feel like the trade deadline rumors all over again….. The so called “experts” were adamant the Raptors were cleaning house and nothing happened.
Iliketothrowaway2456
The fuck you mean, you’re going to have to max Barnes? If he develops in a big way next year, then it should be a consideration. If not, then they need to take a very good look at him and see if he’s the one to lead the rebuild.
Very confused… I had mentioned with the Portland stuff (the underwhelming offers) that why don’t re resign him this year, then reevaluate next year? If we struggle, we have him under contract control who likely played another all star season. I would at least push to sign him to the current max now and see what he says… not just try to defame him. And hey, maybe something else happens (eg a star becomes available).
IntriguedMck
Where there’s smoke there is fire and lately there’s just been way too much smoke to simply dismiss the discourse as baseless assumptions
I’m prepared for a scenario in where it’s not a matter of if but when Siakam is dealt elsewhere
Thealk3mist
Frankly I’m just extremely disappointed by the head office
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people losing it over the grange quote that was a misquote from this
Will is so mad Pascal is getting traded lmao
Appearance Quotes (Tried to be as direct a possible, had to paraphrase a few, didn’t include the locker room dynamics stuff since it was the same points he said earlier)
Part 1:
Will Lou says that it seems the Raptors are intent on moving Siakam
>Grange says that’s a totally valid characterization
>Nuance on this
>Are they trying to move him, he says no
>**Are they interested in moving him if the price is right? It’s indisputable that the answer is yes**
>If they don’t trade him Grange says that they’ll say “they were just testing his value”
>More on the ledger that “we’re trying to trade Pascal” than just dipping our toe in the water
>Not a “trade at any costs type of thing”
>**They emerged from the deadline that the most reasonable path forward to alter their lineup, avoid a situation with 4 max or near max players on their roster, is that if someone was likely to go it would be Pascal**
>Lead up to the draft, lots of discussions with the 2 pick, Charlotte listened
>He thinks there was a big pushback about the potential of Pascal going to Portland an extending, his preferred team is Toronto
>Cat’s out of the bag, once they got there (the draft discussions) and they’ve stayed there
Why are they so intent on moving pascal if he wants to stay? He was great last year.
How can the relationship not be at least partially damaged at this point?
Appearance Quotes (Tried to be as direct a possible, had to paraphrase a few, didn’t include the locker room dynamics stuff since it was the same points he said earlier)
Part 2:
>Doesn’t think he’s (Siakam) coming to the rest of summer league, a small reflection on the fact there’s a little bit of a disconnect in the relationship right now
>**Grange doesn’t think been anything meaningful there (on extension talks), they are talking, but there hasn’t been any serious discussions, he says the only negotiating would be the length of the deal**
>They’re still not 100% sure if they’re going to go forward with the player or they’re going to trade the player
>**They did offer last offseason Pascal the max they could (he says 3/120-130)** Pascal wanted to wait, see if he could get all-nba didn’t work out on his end
>Raptors point of view, Grange says that they’re exploring their options after him turning them down (It’s business)
>**Grange doesn’t know if they were connected (Fred going to Houston and Pascal’s name increasing in trade talks)**
>**Fred could’ve came back and they would’ve considered moving Pascal**
>His guess is that you’d be looking at an area that you have strengths in order to fill out the rest of the lineup
>Still see OG as a younger player that’s an easier fit around Scottie
>**OG’s going to have to be maxed or near max**
>Will Lou says that he’s confused about the direction
>Grange says no clear direction on what they’re going to do other than them saying to get incrementally better
>**Their position is to keep good players around then Fred happened, wasn’t a trigger but it might have influenced some of their thinking**
>Tons of people around the league are asking “what are they doing”
>It wouldn’t take much for it become clear on what they’re doing (Referencing a Pascal trade)
>**Could be for a real good young player with years left on their contract, draft picks, prospect on their rosters, 1 good player into 4 potential assets**
>**Mentions that Pascal’s offseason home is in Orlando**
>If he’s traded and the team he’s traded to offers to extend him, chances are he’ll take the money
>**If you’re Orlando you might get a player who’s willing to stick around there**
>Grange can’t answer which team has the strongest offer
>**Atlanta has been very persistent can see a fit**
>Sounds like there’s opportunities to make deals
>**Come down to how hard a bargain Ujiri is going to drive**
>Never know, maybe they extend him
* if you want to enjoy your evening don’t listen to this podcast.
The best part of this interview was when Grange said Fred leaving had nothing to do with Siakam being shopped, and Will asks why that would make any sense.
Grange literally accidentally says “I haven’t asked him-” and then recovers and stampers “I haven’t asked anyone that directly” like it’s so fucking obvious his main source is just Masai lmaooo
Now, I do believe that shopping Siakam makes sense from a future roster perspective because you can’t offer OG and Scottie big deals if OG/FVV/Siakam/Scottie all want close to the max. However, Fred fucking left, dude. Now you actually have flexibility. Also, of that group, Siakam is literally a top 5 PF in the league, and he’s worth a 30% max extension… that is not the guy you move on from among that group. Fred would have been the guy you should have traded.
Nothing this FO has done since Tampa has made any sense. Like bottom 10 FO in terms of performance since 2021.
I’m down for a Pascal trade even though I like him, but some delusional fans are going to lose their mind when they realize he isn’t worth as much as they think.
The Grange interview was excellent and you really get the sense that the Raptors FO don’t really know what to do. It seems like they’re in a weird position overall. Will’s commentary at the end was quite incisive and pretty much reflects the frustration that fans have.
This is starting to feel like the trade deadline rumors all over again….. The so called “experts” were adamant the Raptors were cleaning house and nothing happened.
The fuck you mean, you’re going to have to max Barnes? If he develops in a big way next year, then it should be a consideration. If not, then they need to take a very good look at him and see if he’s the one to lead the rebuild.
Very confused… I had mentioned with the Portland stuff (the underwhelming offers) that why don’t re resign him this year, then reevaluate next year? If we struggle, we have him under contract control who likely played another all star season. I would at least push to sign him to the current max now and see what he says… not just try to defame him. And hey, maybe something else happens (eg a star becomes available).
Where there’s smoke there is fire and lately there’s just been way too much smoke to simply dismiss the discourse as baseless assumptions
I’m prepared for a scenario in where it’s not a matter of if but when Siakam is dealt elsewhere
Frankly I’m just extremely disappointed by the head office
Our front office has become a joke.