Willard and Dibs react to what Monte Poole told Steiny and Guru earlier today and wonder if the Draymond Green-Jordan Poole relationship and fallout might also affect the Warriors’ relationship with their other young players, including Jonathan Kuminga.
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No the two timeline stupid idea hindered the youngsters. Lets be honest.. noone really expected the Warriors to be that damn good year before last. Joe Lacob was preparing for the next book when there was actually a couple chapters left in the original book. Instead of replacing the youngsters with ready to play depth… we handicapped them the following season.
I will say this about Draymond Green. While myself and many rightfully see his value and wanted him back if this team set-up is supposed to still run and champ level, the fact of the matter with Draymond, is that until what his actions and words lead to show us otherwise, there is with Dray always the chance of complete melt down, both in game situations and well, if his ability to run around with health out there dwindles at all, then all that makes him valuable goes with it.
Dray in some ways had seemed to be learning how to stop himself when he loses control and puts himself and therefore the team in worse situations. And i believe Dray supplies a needed intensity and verbal thing to what otherwise is a laid back mellow non verbal tandem in the splash brothers. It needed fire to their cool. But the fire sometimes burns, and Dray knows all this, claims to never let it ruin the W's situation, yet the finals with LeBron DID happen (hey Dray, it did, stop denying it, all season you promised you wouldn't let the T limit lose a game thing cost the W's, but it very likely did, and there is W's land widespread denial of that fact and underplaying of it. Sure, they could have still won that finals, but come on, they were way up, he missed a game, the Cavs got the mo and closed us out, you know it.)
But Dray had seemed to be getting better, but it does still come up a lot. I hope through his own maturity, the addition of Chris Paul maybe lending a bit more vocal leadership OTHER than Dray….leads to good things.
And again, while Dray is KEY to it all, i do see with him a steeper fall off when it happens, or if he has to play through back issues, anything that takes away his ability to be spry out there takes away much of his D effectiveness and even his ability to be as precise on setting up the O like he does.
I'm just saying Dray is a complex character down to his game, how it will age, the nuanced particular way his game fits the W's, makes it run, makes it work. So they had to keep him/pay him. But there is not just the usual Dray risk and at times super annoying and frustrating qualities, there is now an aging Dray risk too. But still they had to sign him.
As to the youngsters…..again, this is a super high spending all time great team…there was winning NOW and still is that needs to be done…there isn't time for young players unless they "get it" now. That's all this is.
I'm sure there are certain vibes in the clubhouse related to Dray, how Dray was with Poole, etc. For the most part these things get worked out, time heals, winning heals, understanding the larger picture wins out.
As long as the W's don't lose any real difference makers, give up on them too soon due to not giving them enough PT or allowing how they were off the court to cloudy the decision.
Warriors management has been bipolar. They've made great trades and signed good role players. On the flip they've sh$@ the bed on the draft picks. Their picks should have been flipped with the benefit of hindsight. IMO they're getting into the desperate years trying to get water out of a rock. Giving big contacts to the vets?! Even if Kuminga and Moody turn the corner there's no money to keep them. How want times do we have to watch aging teams adding older players fail?
Baldwin and Rollins were collateral damage.
The Big 3 are paid to play basketball. They are not paid to be babysitters. It is the development staff and young players responsibility to be ready to play with the Big 3.
Yes for the simple fact yall are calling them a big 3 lol its steph curry…..then klay who is just a shopter and dray is a role player, as long as you attach klay and dray to steph as if they are close to as important as him then anyone trying to break thru will be held back….no way draymond should be starting over kuminga…not just his off court antics but from a basketball standpoint looney is better and more important then dray, so is Wiggins and if embraced and actually used kuminga is as well……but yall keep putting dray on a pedestal he doesnt belong
The veterans want the money and future exrensions for themselves. Kerr is obliging by not playing the youngsters. There's no reason why he can't play kuminga Wiseman and moody when he played Patrick McGaw and Jordan bell in the finals
Team is just a mess. It's pretty clear by now that there's a pretty clear division between the big 3 and the youngsters. kuminga and the rest of the young players rock with poole 100% and how the team handled the punching situation obviously didn't sit well with them. kerr and lacob are in love with the big 3 and will sacrifice everyone else in a heartbeat to keep them happy. i think this is what ultimately drove myers out of the picture because myers is thinking about the future and obviously doesnt favor the big 3 as much. looking back at last year it's pretty amazing that they got that far at the end of the year because there were just drama and division on all levels within the organization.
i don't think the big 3 ESPECIALLY draymond ever wanted or expected the young guys to become new cornerstones of the franchise they wanted them to become key but expendable pieces to the big 3. the emergence of poole in that championship run kinda tipped over the balance and dray was slowly becoming the supporting role player to the splash triplets with the addition of poole and he wasn't happy about that. i think the dynamic changed drastically between the two and the rest is history.
now you add CP to the mix and it's gonna be a circus lmaoooo something is going down between dray and cp like I dont think people are talking about this enough. there is a very high chance cp gets traded by the trade deadline.