He’s such a good player but this front office has dug themselves in a hole so big they really can’t afford to keep him and be mid. They should be all in on trading for Dame with Scottie Barnes and salary + picks it’s rare for a team to be able to trade for a superstar while being able to keep their top 3 players intact and this could be that case. Dame/Pascal/OG run the table against anyone in the east add Jakob Poeltl and a guy like Caruso at the deadline and that’s a finals team in my eyes
They should've traded him and VanVleet for draft capital at the deadline, instead of trading a first round pick away for an average starter/borderline bench player, and then give that bench player an $80 million contract, because you kinda have to after trading a draft pick for him, and now I hear they're entertaining offers centered around AJ Griffin for Pascal? Idk what my team is doing. I've never doubted Masai but I'm losing my strength.
The criteria for the Supermax contract are way loose – it should've been reserved only for MVP/Finals MVP winners and being 1st Team All-NBA. Under the current criteria all a player like Siakam has to do in order to get Supermax is to be in any All-NBA Team
TOR offered Siakam the max they could last offseason. He had 2y left on his deal, so it was somewhere in the area of 3y/$135M for 24-25/25-26/26-27. That’d be his age 30/31/32 seasons. He turned it down bc he made All-NBA, and was expecting to have a good chance to hit it again and get the 35% max.
It was seen as obvious at the time, but even without hindsight, I was confused why it was just an automatic decision. Like he’d be turning 33 in the last year of that deal at the end of the season/beginning of playoffs. I know he had a great year, but I didn’t think it was v likely he hit All-NBA again the next yr. I also didn’t think TOR would give him the super max for 5 more seasons, or even 4. If he did he would’ve been eligible for the supermax from 24-25 to 28-29, so 6 years total, (he’d still have his 23-24 salary on the books) 5 new years at an obscene amount of $. Not sure what proj was at the time, but it would’ve been like 5/280-300 something ridiculous.
Even 4y super max. Like TOR offered 3/135 w/e (not sure if they offered the 120% so it’d be based on 24-25 cap, I assume so, regardless it would’ve been in the 3/135-140ish area) while even 4y super max would be 4 new years instead of 3, and like 4/220 or something silly. I just didn’t understand it. Unless he won like MVP or something, or 1st team all nba while putting them on his back and making a deep playoff run, there’s no way he’s getting 5y 35% or 4y 35%. I think if he makes like 3rd team maybe they compromise and do 4/170 or something, or maybe 3y at the max or near max like 3/155 idk.
It just seemed shortsighted to me. I’m a huge cap nerd so TOR has been on my radar for a while w this stuff, especially that season he made All-NBA. They were gonna be seemingly fine for the next season or two, but then it was gonna start getting insanely expensive. TOR was smart to offer him that 3y extension and Siakam should’ve taken it, but nobody expected him to. I rly like Siakam but I guess I didn’t see him as some perennial All-NBA guy. I didn’t expect FVV to command a max, but it was clear he was gonna get paid. He turned down 3/115 that off-season also. Then OG and others going forward.
It’s a big sign to me that TOR hasn’t offered Siakam any extension this off-season what so ever. That means they clearly want at least the flexibility to be able to trade him, but I also think they don’t want to pay him even like 3/140 this off-season, let alone the 4y 30%, and just absolutely 0 chance he’s getting MORE than the 30% max regardless of this season’s performance. I think Siakam would sign a 3/130-140 type extension right now, but it’s well reported that there’s been nada offered to him. I thought it was hilarious he said he wouldn’t re sign with any team if he was traded. Like bro are you gonna retire after this year? Usually guys will say I don’t wanna be traded, or they’ll say they won’t re sign with a certain team. Dude said ANY team beside TOR lol.
I’ve been a fan of Masai for a while, but man this last (little over) a year has made me question a ton. I’m not out on him obv, he can still pivot and do his thing…but there’s just seemingly zero direction. They had no shot to win a damn thing last year, they were gonna be fighting for the 8 seed, maybe ceiling was like 7 seed and first round out.
They didn’t need to trade OG or do anything nuts, but x weeks before the deadline it became v clear this team wasn’t good. FVV also turned down 4/115 extension, so he was clearly gonna be EXPENSIVE. Nobody expected the max, but I was thinking 4/130-140 type money. That wasn’t palatable. I have it on very good authority LAC offered a 2028 T4 (ish) protected FRP for him (along w very mediocre salary, prolly Marcus Morris w/e, but still) and that’s just too valuable of a pick to turn down in that position IMO.
Instead of that, they keep him, and trade a second, and a ‘24 FRP protected T6 for 24/25/26, for an expiring Poeltl who turned down like 4/64 or whatever it was. He was clearly gonna command at least Nurkic money (4/70) and likely that plus some for inflation adjustment lol. Like 4/72-74ish.
Again I wouldn’t have moved OG, he’s still young. But FVV yes, and I would’ve listened on Siakam but I doubt a deal gets done. I certainly don’t trade for Poeltl either, that’s ridiculous. I thought that Thad Young trade was poor also, (I know it wasn’t last yr but just another weird move) and I like Thad. But they should’ve realized where they were…which was a play in team (and not the 7 seed) for sure. Why are they chasing play in spots? They could’ve had an extra FRP instead of being minus one, AND by moving FVV, they would’ve been worse.
They could’ve ended up quite easily with like the 8th, 9th best lotto odds or so, gotten an asset for FVV, and really re-evaluated things this summer. That was the clear move. You add another T10, T8 type pick, you shop Siakam this summer, and I would’ve shopped GTJr at the deadline too. Again not sure if a deal gets done…but maybe you do some kinda FVV/GTJr to LAL deal for Russ and their ‘28 FRP unprotected, or ideally you get that pick and a swap as well even if that pick is like T3 protected or something.
Too many hypotheticals, but not trading FVV at the deadline, trading for Poeltl, not at least shopping GTJr/Siakam seriously, (they clearly gauged interest but nothing seemed serious) not securing a good lotto spot, all just really rough moves. Now this team is in no man’s land without their pick this year. It would’ve been a lotttt easier position if they had their pick, an extra future pick, drafted like Hendricks or whoever in the 8-10 range, (maybe they get lucky and get a T4 pick who knows) and had a clear direction. Not tear it down, ideally keep OG then move Siakam, but definitely a serious re-tool. This roster isn’t good enough and doesn’t have a real route to being good enough soon.
I’ll say again I’m far from out on Masai, but this isn’t looking good at all. Coaching change should help, but man unless they pull off some real magic this is gonna be a rough next x years.
the raptors have like two guards on their roster and the hawks offered like 2 forwards and picks for siakam, even if they offered really good forwards why the fuck would the raptors want even more forwards
If they trade Siakam, they should trade away Anunoby, Poetl, Gary Trent and the rest to clear the deck for a rebuild around Scottie Barnes. They've haemorrhaged too much talent and gotten nothing in return: Kawhi, Lowry and then Van Vleet.
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We need his talents in brooklyn.
Im okay with moving on just so Scottie and Gradey can just run the Dick N' Roll every possession
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He’s such a good player but this front office has dug themselves in a hole so big they really can’t afford to keep him and be mid. They should be all in on trading for Dame with Scottie Barnes and salary + picks it’s rare for a team to be able to trade for a superstar while being able to keep their top 3 players intact and this could be that case. Dame/Pascal/OG run the table against anyone in the east add Jakob Poeltl and a guy like Caruso at the deadline and that’s a finals team in my eyes
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They should've traded him and VanVleet for draft capital at the deadline, instead of trading a first round pick away for an average starter/borderline bench player, and then give that bench player an $80 million contract, because you kinda have to after trading a draft pick for him, and now I hear they're entertaining offers centered around AJ Griffin for Pascal? Idk what my team is doing. I've never doubted Masai but I'm losing my strength.
They should extend him keep him for a year then trade him. Simple
As a Raptors Fan, I don’t wanna see him go.
I truly hope the Hawks don't trade for Siakam.
If we was to trade him I’d like to look at okc
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The criteria for the Supermax contract are way loose – it should've been reserved only for MVP/Finals MVP winners and being 1st Team All-NBA. Under the current criteria all a player like Siakam has to do in order to get Supermax is to be in any All-NBA Team
TOR offered Siakam the max they could last offseason. He had 2y left on his deal, so it was somewhere in the area of 3y/$135M for 24-25/25-26/26-27. That’d be his age 30/31/32 seasons. He turned it down bc he made All-NBA, and was expecting to have a good chance to hit it again and get the 35% max.
It was seen as obvious at the time, but even without hindsight, I was confused why it was just an automatic decision. Like he’d be turning 33 in the last year of that deal at the end of the season/beginning of playoffs. I know he had a great year, but I didn’t think it was v likely he hit All-NBA again the next yr. I also didn’t think TOR would give him the super max for 5 more seasons, or even 4. If he did he would’ve been eligible for the supermax from 24-25 to 28-29, so 6 years total, (he’d still have his 23-24 salary on the books) 5 new years at an obscene amount of $. Not sure what proj was at the time, but it would’ve been like 5/280-300 something ridiculous.
Even 4y super max. Like TOR offered 3/135 w/e (not sure if they offered the 120% so it’d be based on 24-25 cap, I assume so, regardless it would’ve been in the 3/135-140ish area) while even 4y super max would be 4 new years instead of 3, and like 4/220 or something silly. I just didn’t understand it. Unless he won like MVP or something, or 1st team all nba while putting them on his back and making a deep playoff run, there’s no way he’s getting 5y 35% or 4y 35%. I think if he makes like 3rd team maybe they compromise and do 4/170 or something, or maybe 3y at the max or near max like 3/155 idk.
It just seemed shortsighted to me. I’m a huge cap nerd so TOR has been on my radar for a while w this stuff, especially that season he made All-NBA. They were gonna be seemingly fine for the next season or two, but then it was gonna start getting insanely expensive. TOR was smart to offer him that 3y extension and Siakam should’ve taken it, but nobody expected him to. I rly like Siakam but I guess I didn’t see him as some perennial All-NBA guy. I didn’t expect FVV to command a max, but it was clear he was gonna get paid. He turned down 3/115 that off-season also. Then OG and others going forward.
It’s a big sign to me that TOR hasn’t offered Siakam any extension this off-season what so ever. That means they clearly want at least the flexibility to be able to trade him, but I also think they don’t want to pay him even like 3/140 this off-season, let alone the 4y 30%, and just absolutely 0 chance he’s getting MORE than the 30% max regardless of this season’s performance. I think Siakam would sign a 3/130-140 type extension right now, but it’s well reported that there’s been nada offered to him. I thought it was hilarious he said he wouldn’t re sign with any team if he was traded. Like bro are you gonna retire after this year? Usually guys will say I don’t wanna be traded, or they’ll say they won’t re sign with a certain team. Dude said ANY team beside TOR lol.
I’ve been a fan of Masai for a while, but man this last (little over) a year has made me question a ton. I’m not out on him obv, he can still pivot and do his thing…but there’s just seemingly zero direction. They had no shot to win a damn thing last year, they were gonna be fighting for the 8 seed, maybe ceiling was like 7 seed and first round out.
They didn’t need to trade OG or do anything nuts, but x weeks before the deadline it became v clear this team wasn’t good. FVV also turned down 4/115 extension, so he was clearly gonna be EXPENSIVE. Nobody expected the max, but I was thinking 4/130-140 type money. That wasn’t palatable. I have it on very good authority LAC offered a 2028 T4 (ish) protected FRP for him (along w very mediocre salary, prolly Marcus Morris w/e, but still) and that’s just too valuable of a pick to turn down in that position IMO.
Instead of that, they keep him, and trade a second, and a ‘24 FRP protected T6 for 24/25/26, for an expiring Poeltl who turned down like 4/64 or whatever it was. He was clearly gonna command at least Nurkic money (4/70) and likely that plus some for inflation adjustment lol. Like 4/72-74ish.
Again I wouldn’t have moved OG, he’s still young. But FVV yes, and I would’ve listened on Siakam but I doubt a deal gets done. I certainly don’t trade for Poeltl either, that’s ridiculous. I thought that Thad Young trade was poor also, (I know it wasn’t last yr but just another weird move) and I like Thad. But they should’ve realized where they were…which was a play in team (and not the 7 seed) for sure. Why are they chasing play in spots? They could’ve had an extra FRP instead of being minus one, AND by moving FVV, they would’ve been worse.
They could’ve ended up quite easily with like the 8th, 9th best lotto odds or so, gotten an asset for FVV, and really re-evaluated things this summer. That was the clear move. You add another T10, T8 type pick, you shop Siakam this summer, and I would’ve shopped GTJr at the deadline too. Again not sure if a deal gets done…but maybe you do some kinda FVV/GTJr to LAL deal for Russ and their ‘28 FRP unprotected, or ideally you get that pick and a swap as well even if that pick is like T3 protected or something.
Too many hypotheticals, but not trading FVV at the deadline, trading for Poeltl, not at least shopping GTJr/Siakam seriously, (they clearly gauged interest but nothing seemed serious) not securing a good lotto spot, all just really rough moves. Now this team is in no man’s land without their pick this year. It would’ve been a lotttt easier position if they had their pick, an extra future pick, drafted like Hendricks or whoever in the 8-10 range, (maybe they get lucky and get a T4 pick who knows) and had a clear direction. Not tear it down, ideally keep OG then move Siakam, but definitely a serious re-tool. This roster isn’t good enough and doesn’t have a real route to being good enough soon.
I’ll say again I’m far from out on Masai, but this isn’t looking good at all. Coaching change should help, but man unless they pull off some real magic this is gonna be a rough next x years.
Just keep him a try to compete and build up on ur talent SMH
the raptors have like two guards on their roster and the hawks offered like 2 forwards and picks for siakam, even if they offered really good forwards why the fuck would the raptors want even more forwards
Ive always thought a Sabonis/Siakam front court would fit seemlessly
Siakam is a younger Kris Middleton & he has the potential to be better than him. He can be a legit #2 on the right team.
love him
If they trade Siakam, they should trade away Anunoby, Poetl, Gary Trent and the rest to clear the deck for a rebuild around Scottie Barnes. They've haemorrhaged too much talent and gotten nothing in return: Kawhi, Lowry and then Van Vleet.