In this clip, Andre Iguodala (The Golden State Warriors) talks to JJ Redick and Evan Turner about how he believes LeBron James, Dwyane Wade and Chris Bosh don’t get enough credit for small ball lineups.
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Excellent point by Iggy. Full pod here: https://youtu.be/WkpPPxJbUIQ
Wasnât a âshooterâ but hit a lot of clutch shots in his career lol
Reboot âThe Proud Familyâ with Evan Turner
Iâm curious, who played and dished out to midrange guys the best?
That Miami team was the 2nd most ridiculous cheating line-up a hair under the warriors in NBA history. At the time it was probably Lebron as best player in the world dwight 2nd and wade 3rd. Bosh was probably top 15. The vets on that team was also pretty sick. it wasn't that they revolutionize the strategy. It is they are forced to play an inferior way because Lebron's game has a glaring hole where they had to get rid of their center to give him space. In 2011 there were no post up big in the east. KG was having his will down low against Miami in the playoffs and KG was not even known for his post-ups. Imagine if they had to go against gasol bynum a few years earlier, or a younger duncan(not that they can beat 37 year old Duncan. How about Shaq, Hakeem, even Barkley would've been a problem. Lebron is very lucky that the game has evolved just at the right time for him to not have to play against great centers. Even now, who is going to guard Joker's post-ups on that miami team? Joel Anthony, haslem, old big Z, bosh, oh i know eric dampier.
Iguadola talking positively about Lebron James? omg
If anybody deserves the credit its Don' Nelson wherever he's coached and those Steve Nash teams in Phoenix. Small ball is a Don Nelson creation. He just didn't have the players like LBJ and Wade. But it's nothing new.
Heâs 100% right, Bron was the precursor to the modern nba.
Honestly, can you even be surprised by this? History shows that the best methods to win get adopted, this guy has made more playoff runs than anybody, of course other teams saw what he did and adopted it to their style. I always said Draymond Green is a Lebron-lite, lol, he doesnât have the same amount of gravity and offensive force but the positioning is all there. Warriors are just a team focused on the shooting prowess of curry and thompson so you donât see it right away but itâs all there.
These dudes literally discuss ALLLL the other teams who used small ball effectively FIRST, then they move to credit Bron for ârevolutionizingâ NBA offenses? âBag of Dax donât make no sense.â -Mookie, Uncle Drew
I donât think the warriors beat Lebron if he runs it back wit the Heat in 2015
Evan Turner is the funniest dude in the NBA circle
I just realized Evan Turner got a voice like Lil yachty
The spurs started it, not the heat.
I'm sorry to say this like MJ has to be in every conversation. But all teams had dominant bigs who won championships, that was the culture. Inside out basketball. But MJ and Pippen with the latter innovating the Small Forward position were the definition of small ball. You could argue the Pistons with Thomas were small ball but he had a lot of big bullies. So for pure basketball with MJ, Pippen, Rodman, Steve Kerr, Ron Harper, Paxon and either Toni Kukoc or Horace Grant being the most talented "bigs" that MJ played with at Small Forward/Power Forward. Luc Longley and Bill Cartwright are nothing to get excited about. Bulls revolutionised the 90's away from centre focussed basketball until Shaq dominated everything once everyone retired. We didn't have another golden age of centres until Giannis, Jokic etc turned up. 2000's were a golden era for Shooting Guards getting bigger, stronger and turning into Small Forwards (TMac is 6ft9 without shoes bare minimum).Right now the shooting guard and point guard is almost discernible. Demar DeRozan went next level learning to break double teams and pass infinitely better making him become an All NBA player again. Devin Booker upgraded his game into All NBA status by… being a protege to Chris Paul. Look at the effect Chris Paul had Shai Gilgeous Alexander. It's getting closer and closer to position-less basketball as the talent increases internationally. So the last 10 years was dominated by Lebron and Steph Curry and as a result Unicorns and a golden age for short point guards has well arrived. As time goes on it'll be IQ and play reading that is the difference between winning or not. Play by play chess.
6:04 Is this Iggy announcing his retirement? I don't think it is official but it sounds set in stone.
So no mention of the 2014 Spurs that destroyed that Heat team?? The 2015 Warriors copied their formula
Hi JJđ
Bron and Wade surrounded by shooters wow what a concept
Was D Wade not a shooter though? I know he wasnât a three point shooter and when he first came in the league he wasnât even a midrange shooter, but by year 3, the guy was deadly from the midrange and well as slashing to the rim. I think a better way to say it is that he wasnât a long range shooter.
âChildâs playâ lmaoo
The Warriors believe team with Baron Davis started small ball in the NBA.
yep. Was very effective in the finals against okc. that Chalmers, Wade, Battier, Bron, Bosh was deadly to the thunder. Then against SA in the 4th when it was Chalmers, Allen, Mike Miller, Bron and Bird.
"revolutionizing". cool term for combining 2 of the 3 best players in the world at the time and a top 15 player in Bosch. Such a dumb take.
I was NBA bound until them Sebring Lightning bolt boys took out my knees in the Heartland Championship game of the 7th grade Junior high school round of 64 in 1997. Them good ole days as the running back for them Hardee Junior High Wildcats.
Nah it was the Suns.
Stop!
Why ET sound like lil yatchtyđ
Such a trash way to play. Everything geared towards helping Bron pad stats. Everyone stands at the 3 and all he does is drive and kick. Bro game is so basic that's why they lost to the warriors the first time. There are multiple variations of this style with Harden, Doncic, Russ. Big ball dominant pg's that can't play off ball or in a system. Kobe even said Harden wouldn't win that way, but Bron had more help that it worked for a couple seasons. Andre reluctantly gave up Brons weakness. He doesn't play well with mid range shooters.
Did they just spoil Iggy's retirement?
Itâs crazyyy this man is a mvp of anything lol
Am I the only one who thinks Evan Turner sounds like a bit like lil Yachty ?
Man i love hearing these type conversations as a real basketball head.
Dallas teams with Dirk changed the game
I agree. Heat big three were the one of the first teams which revolutionized the small ball
40 point triple double ahahhah
I replicate how Dwade run the pick nd roll on 2k and they canât stop it
He knows ball
Thats not that small though with Bosh at center and lebron on your team
Loved this video till yall said iggy was done đđ©
Held Bron to 40 point triple dub. MVP caliber defense. đ
Iggy shoulda won mvp over lebron yea right đđđ€Ą
I think CP3 and Tyson Chandler revolutionized the Pick and Roll because they were the first to do the alley oop consistently off that play.
I can't credit Miami for the offense now because Bosh would be at the 4 more than at the 5. Warriors went full fledged.
Phoenix sun play small ball
I got to appreciate when my miami gets some kind of recognition, cuz itâs such rare to see moments like this.
San Antonio Spurs from 2013 and 2014 runs
Bro sound like lil Yachty
Dennis Rodman and Toni Kukoc and Scottie Pippen were finishing finals with small ball.
Heat didnât change anything, get outta here:) small ball lineups been tried forever. Heat were just stacked with players