Source: https://streamable.com/pej83f
Full transcript:
> KOC: I mean the Celtics are the interesting one there because, whether it means anything or not, BetOnline has them as the favorites… The odds makers’ favorites to land Dame behind Miami. And I don’t think that necessarily matters a whole lot here, but it’s at least interesting considering the fact that, you know, Spears reported earlier in the Summer that Tatum was recruiting Dame.
> KOC: I’ve been saying that Boston should go after him since those rumors started in July. They can put together an interesting offer at the least.
> KOC: The Celtics can trade up to four first round picks, two in ’24, one in ’26, one in 2030. They have eight second round picks they can deal in the future. It’s tough to come up with the money, but they could do it. Brogdon, Robert Williams, Payton Pritchard, Luke Kornet, Sam Hauser, Jordan Walsh. Walsh was just an early second round draft pick that some teams had ranked as a first rounder. So really like five first round picks, plus a young guy in Robert Williams. Maybe you flip him to Phoenix in the Ayton situation. I don’t think the offer is better than what the Raptors could do or what some other teams can do, but I do think it’s better than what the Heat could do. And that’s the interesting thing here.
> GUEST: Well, there’s no better player than Herro in that deal.
> KOC: But it’s not about how a player is valued in a vacuum. It’s about how they’re valued to the Portland Trail Blazers. Herro does not have a lot of value to the Blazers. They are invested in Shaedon Sharpe. They have young players in that backcourt. Herro just doesn’t make sense for that team. He’s redundant. That’s why they’re so adamant about trying to flip him elsewhere. By the way, if Herro had a lot of value league-wide, he would have been flipped for multiple first-round draft picks. Teams don’t see the value in Herro at this point. He’s been a Dud in the playoffs other than his bubble series against the Celtics. He has not produced. They went to the finals without him.
> GUEST: Well in fairness, he didn’t play.
> KOC: They didn’t want him back! Because they were better off without him! He has been a Dud in the playoffs since the bubble his rookie year.
> GUEST: Hold on. Now, did they not want him back or they didn’t want him back if they could get Damian Lillard? There’s a big difference.
> KOC: No, I’m saying in the Finals… In the Finals, they did not want him back.
I decided to work the trade machine to see how a Phoenix/Portland/Boston trade would work under these parameters and this is what I came with:
Boston receives:
* Damian Lillard
Phoenix receives:
* Jusuf Nurkic
* Robert Williams III
* Payton Pritchard
* Luke Kornet
Portland receives:
* Deandre Ayton
* Jordan Walsh
* Sam Hauser
* Malcolm Brogdon
* 4 first round picks from BOS
* 4 second round picks from BOS
Boston gets another big name to pair with Jayson Tatum, Jaylen Brown and Kristaps Porzingis while managing to have Al Horford and Derrick White with them. Bench gets kinda rough though.
Phoenix gets to re-tool their center rotation with 3 capable guys (Nurkic, Williams III, Eubanks) and gets a young backup PG.
Portland gets a young center, a young 6’7 wing, a veteran they can get mentorship from and flip later, and an insane amount of draft capital.
[EDIT: I’m not condoning the trade or saying it should get done, just trying to find the logic behind it for each team and seeing what works salary-wise.]
by UnbiasedNBAFan_
33 Comments
Yeah, I’m good on that. Giving up way too much for an aging player.
We cant give up horford and rob.
The core of the Jays, White, Porzingis and Williams has a long window to compete for titles. Don’t mess with that core.
I understand that Lillard is an incredible, generational talent and an obvious upgrade over our current PGs. But I simply don’t understand how we could field a complete team while giving up 3 of our 4 centers, 2 of our 3 PGs, and 4 future firsts, only to get back one undersized PG and one undersized SF.
So Boston give up 6 players and 8 picks for Lillard and Little and Miami is offering Herro?
Seems right
I think we get the shortest end of the stick in this deal.
Phoenix makes out like bandits just for facilitating, we lose all of our bench depth and nearly the entirety of our front court while giving up 8 picks for a guy who will be making $60M+ soon and all signs point to him *not wanting* to be here, or anywhere else that isn’t Miami.
If there ever was a deal that could be made it would have to involve JB just to simplify things, and I still wouldn’t move JB + whatever it would take to acquire him even if that was feasible.
Dame a bitch. I don’t want bitches on my team.
You can point out a million differences but I would never not see Dame as Kyrie-Kemba-3.0.
Please no, I would love dame but I just bought a timelord jersey
What podcast is this from? I want to listen
Dogshit trade 👎🏻
KOC is full of baloney more than half the time.
Chris Vernon is great, I love him. The best part of this podcast is whenever Verno is admonishing Kevin.
This is conflicting. Who here thinks that even with a mediocre bench, Dame, JT, JB, and KP could win a ring this year? Does 1 ring matter more than the future? It’s tough, Dame puts them over the top and I think they win this year. But after that… idk. Lakers in 2020 showed 1 ring is worth it, and if we don’t win we might always wonder what could have been with Dame. Is 1 ring worth it?
I’m just here for the disrespect of calling the host of the podcast GUEST.
Trading Sam Hauser? No thanks
Call me crazy but aan aging, ball dominant undersized point guard that doesn’t play defense and comes with injury history isn’t what we need. History has told us this is a bad idea with Kyrie, Kemba and, to some degree, IT.
It’s just not a formula for winning a title, imo.
There is no way Brad decimates the bench like this, he knows how important it is to a finals run. Gotta get through a long season before playoffs, no avoiding it.
Let me be the first to volunteer KOC for Neuralink testing
We can’t trade for Dame at the expense of leaving us with only KP as a true, rotation big.
Thanks but no thanks
Would.
We good man it’s enough with this shit
Herro is a nice player but he’s not as nice as Miami fans think
I’m good thanks
No. Thank. You. Sir!
Though I would love to spoil the Heat’s day…
That would be a terrible trade. Giving up the future for a 33 year old Lillard is just dumb
What the fuck lol
Oh god no
HAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA *deep breath* HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
I’m curious on the guards people think are currently better than Dame?
For me I got Steph, Luka, and Book. SGA is right there with him but imo him *needing* to work on ball makes him worse offensively than Dame who could fit into a few different roles in an offense.
That’s a big no from me to give all that up for Lillard who will be 33 and has missed large chunks of the season the past 2 years
I’m still trying to understand this “no one of them is better than Herro”.
Herro is fine but his impact towards winning is literally next to nothing for Miami.
In 2021/22 they were the one seed with him on the bench and missing 16 games. They missed the finals in large part to bad play from him in the ECF.
In 22/23 they were a play-in team with him starting 67 of 67 games he played in, won 9 of the 15 games he missed, made the finals without him in the playoffs.
Rob Williams isn’t any kind of offensive player except on the boards and lobs…but literally his ability to defend 1 through 5 and his passing is the key to what the Celtics do and perhaps the most valuable set of skills a non-shooter can have in today’s NBA especially at the 5.
People way overvalue volume shooting stats and it’s nuts.
Dame is 33 with 4 years contract starting at 45M that goes up to 63M salary on his 4th year.
This team is going to burn a lot of money but a definite contender with strong chance to win it all.