Miami’s team is flat out better than last year’s team. But the East got better. Anybody saying the Heat got worse you’re wrong. The issue is the rest of the East is a lot better
So the drama was brewing for a couple years and all sides got in their feels and all did some not great business decisions. Just glad it’s all over and everyone won…well except the bag fumblers Miami. Funny how it’s all just he said she said drama, but I love pettiness so I’m here for the trash talking. 😂😂😂
MDJ had a great video breaking down what Miami’s “All-In” offer could’ve been, and Milwaukee’s was slightly better.
Portland is a franchise that doesn’t tank completely; the Blazers are the Pacers of the Western Conference. Portland was never going to be interested in max number of draft picks. They wanted an actual player like Ayton. Ayton—no matter how you view him—is better than Herro and fits better with the Blazers’ roster.
The Pat Riley era will never be over That’s the whole point of Heat culture ! Every commercial break they mention it no matter whose on the roster they’re there to compete night in and night out
All time blunder by the heat Portland and dame honestly. The heat have a 2 year window to win a chip with Jimmy before he gets too old to be a complimentary piece. The blazers could have gotten a Donovan mitchell type player a few years ago if they were open to listening to trades over the years. And dame wasting his prime in Portland and being a fool and telling Portland "I don't care what anyone thinks I'm going to miami" he just got lucky the bucks were the ones that got him instead of Toronto, Brooklyn, or Utah
This whole "the guys know Miami was shopping them" thing is nonsense. Shopping Duncan Robinson is NOT the same as shopping Jaylen Brown or something. What is Duncan Robinson gonna do? He's gonna stop playing hard and tank his career to get revenge? He's gonna demand a trade?
If anybody WANTED Tyler Herro or Duncan Robinson (and their bad contracts) they'd be gone. All they can do if they've got a problem with "getting shopped around" is play great and hope to go somewhere else.
But the fact of the matter is that if Tyler Herro or Duncan Robinson pull some disgruntled "James Harden" BS, they'll be out of the league when their contracts expire. They both know it
Some side notes for everybody gushing about how "amazing" this trade is for everybody.
1) Milwaukee – I'll just say it. Dame is overrated. He's a big fish in a little pond. He's had free reign and put up huge numbers on a team that was completely built and run around him for a long time. And the last 3 years or so, he can't stay healthy. He's a small guard and he's breaking down. And just for laughs, Jrue Holiday shot it better from 3PT range than Dame did last year. Look it up. 2) Portland – A lot of this depends on what they get for Jrue and maybe that evens it out. But they could have gone back to Miami for a better offer after securing this 3-teamer. That would have gotten Jacquez and Jovic and the other picks thrown in if that's what they wanted. Now they've got long-term money tied up into Simons, Ayton and Jerami Grant. All three are virtually untradeable. And that's going to be a problem when it's time to pay somebody like Sharp if he pans out the way everybody expects. Portland is going to have VERY little flexibility the next 3 years. And that's assuming they take back expiring contracts for Jrue. 3) Phoenix – Ayton is more talented than Nurkic. And he's available on a nightly basis. And with the kind of spacing Phoenix had lined up, Ayton was poised for the easiest year of his career. He's a MUCH better defender than Nurkic. And the "bevy of roleplayers" that Phoenix got are, at best, slight upgrades over the minimum salary vets they brought in… that everybody RAVED about two months ago… and that are suddenly all expendable.
This Ayton trade for Phoenix is basically a concession that the RIGHT move last year was to work out a sign-and-trade with the Pacers, let Ayton go there and take back Myles Turner. Turner would have been an INCREDIBLE fit on this Phoenix team, both pre and post KD and Beal. A guy who can defend and rim protect, who can space, and who doesn't need the ball a ton to be happy.
I also think Milwaukee is forgetting why they overpaid for Jrue in the first place. Which is that their backcourt defense was HORRID before him, and it'll now be horrid again. Dame and Pat Connaughton aren't giving you anything on that side of the floor. Middleton has been breaking down for the last couple of years. Brook Lopez is 50. 3/5ths of that starting 5 is a pretty big injury risk.
And with Giannis as fed up with the mere idea of mediocrity that he seems, does anybody doubt that if Dame played 55 games, Middleton plays 62 and they fall out of the playoffs in the second round, that he's not gonna look at the front office, see that they're now thoroughly tapped out of assets with a severely aging team (think Miami Heat, last LeBron year) and demand that trade?
Maybe Heat just don't want to give up some of their players also… the effort of the coaching staff in developing their players must be too much for them to lose even a single piece of player… they fall short last year but it was a good year… GO HEAT!!!!!!
Damian fits the Bucks roster and needs better than he does in Miami. It makes sense that Miami would pay less for Damian (in trade terms) than the Bucks.
Miami was trying to play hardball after Dame made it known that he only wanted to go there. They thought that they had the upper hand and wanted to lowball Portland. Heat fans were totally obnoxious and acted like they deserved to get Dame no matter how bad their offer was. At the end of the day, Bucks is a better destination and Giannis is the teammate that he really needed. It's like the Denver of the East. The trade is awesome.
I disagree with you. Miami didn't think that any other team would trade for Dame after Dame made it clear that he only wanted them. Pat Riley and the Miami fan base thought that Dame was guaranteed. They likely used the media to turn up the pressure on Portland and thought that Portland would buckle. There is no way in hell they thought that Dame would go to any other team in their conference. If they did, they would have stepped up their offer. They fucked around and found out.
Dame and his team should have handled the situation like Paul George did with OKC. Quietly ask for the trade directly to the executive and both teams can work out a deal behind the scenes. But with dame publicly saying Miami is where he wants to go it gave the heat this entitlement and made them stubborn to give more and made the blazers salty and didn’t want to give dame the satisfaction of giving into his demands like that. Also the blazers are letting other teams know you don’t have to give in to superstar demands so easily, be patient and exhaust every resource
I’m confused how if the heart are offering two players plus two first round picks and pick swaps is that not being aggressive enough, Portland just didn’t want to do a deal with the heat that’s really it.
Holiday is going to retire in the next few years and the bucks knew that, Ayton is a good big but isn’t a big to build around that’s y the suns we’re so quick to deal him away.
Next time do your job and look at Marc Spears piece and actually talk about legit things that happened! Cronin told Dame for u to go to Miami we are going to go for all their assets which included Bam and Dame saw there wasn’t an Avenue to go to Miami
At the end of the day Miami is comparable to LA for location in terms of the Eastern conference so they'll always have players that want to go there. Especially with a sport that centers around the winter.
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Crab juice or Tyler Herro? Eww gross! I'll take the crab juice.
Miami’s team is flat out better than last year’s team. But the East got better. Anybody saying the Heat got worse you’re wrong. The issue is the rest of the East is a lot better
This is a bad trade.
I dont think it was the heats fault,
miami assumption that they didnt need to push all the chips in when they barely had enough chips to push
I saw multiple reports the blazers were asking for bam or Jimmy in the deal so I think they just didn’t want him in Miami
So the drama was brewing for a couple years and all sides got in their feels and all did some not great business decisions. Just glad it’s all over and everyone won…well except the bag fumblers Miami. Funny how it’s all just he said she said drama, but I love pettiness so I’m here for the trash talking. 😂😂😂
This current Heat team is still making the playoffs
MDJ had a great video breaking down what Miami’s “All-In” offer could’ve been, and Milwaukee’s was slightly better.
Portland is a franchise that doesn’t tank completely; the Blazers are the Pacers of the Western Conference. Portland was never going to be interested in max number of draft picks. They wanted an actual player like Ayton. Ayton—no matter how you view him—is better than Herro and fits better with the Blazers’ roster.
Miami has made the final twice in the last 4 years. Give some credit their culture and front office. They know what they doin
Baby blazers!!!! Go rip city!!!!
Very big mastake,and Riley keeps making them. He must retire.
The offer was herro 3 picks and jovic and Martin would go to the suns this was reported by shams this is 3x better than what the blazers got
The Pat Riley era will never be over That’s the whole point of Heat culture ! Every commercial break they mention it no matter whose on the roster they’re there to compete night in and night out
All time blunder by the heat Portland and dame honestly. The heat have a 2 year window to win a chip with Jimmy before he gets too old to be a complimentary piece. The blazers could have gotten a Donovan mitchell type player a few years ago if they were open to listening to trades over the years. And dame wasting his prime in Portland and being a fool and telling Portland "I don't care what anyone thinks I'm going to miami" he just got lucky the bucks were the ones that got him instead of Toronto, Brooklyn, or Utah
This whole "the guys know Miami was shopping them" thing is nonsense. Shopping Duncan Robinson is NOT the same as shopping Jaylen Brown or something. What is Duncan Robinson gonna do? He's gonna stop playing hard and tank his career to get revenge? He's gonna demand a trade?
If anybody WANTED Tyler Herro or Duncan Robinson (and their bad contracts) they'd be gone. All they can do if they've got a problem with "getting shopped around" is play great and hope to go somewhere else.
But the fact of the matter is that if Tyler Herro or Duncan Robinson pull some disgruntled "James Harden" BS, they'll be out of the league when their contracts expire. They both know it
Some side notes for everybody gushing about how "amazing" this trade is for everybody.
1) Milwaukee – I'll just say it. Dame is overrated. He's a big fish in a little pond. He's had free reign and put up huge numbers on a team that was completely built and run around him for a long time. And the last 3 years or so, he can't stay healthy. He's a small guard and he's breaking down. And just for laughs, Jrue Holiday shot it better from 3PT range than Dame did last year. Look it up.
2) Portland – A lot of this depends on what they get for Jrue and maybe that evens it out. But they could have gone back to Miami for a better offer after securing this 3-teamer. That would have gotten Jacquez and Jovic and the other picks thrown in if that's what they wanted. Now they've got long-term money tied up into Simons, Ayton and Jerami Grant. All three are virtually untradeable. And that's going to be a problem when it's time to pay somebody like Sharp if he pans out the way everybody expects. Portland is going to have VERY little flexibility the next 3 years. And that's assuming they take back expiring contracts for Jrue.
3) Phoenix – Ayton is more talented than Nurkic. And he's available on a nightly basis. And with the kind of spacing Phoenix had lined up, Ayton was poised for the easiest year of his career. He's a MUCH better defender than Nurkic. And the "bevy of roleplayers" that Phoenix got are, at best, slight upgrades over the minimum salary vets they brought in… that everybody RAVED about two months ago… and that are suddenly all expendable.
This Ayton trade for Phoenix is basically a concession that the RIGHT move last year was to work out a sign-and-trade with the Pacers, let Ayton go there and take back Myles Turner. Turner would have been an INCREDIBLE fit on this Phoenix team, both pre and post KD and Beal. A guy who can defend and rim protect, who can space, and who doesn't need the ball a ton to be happy.
I also think Milwaukee is forgetting why they overpaid for Jrue in the first place. Which is that their backcourt defense was HORRID before him, and it'll now be horrid again. Dame and Pat Connaughton aren't giving you anything on that side of the floor. Middleton has been breaking down for the last couple of years. Brook Lopez is 50. 3/5ths of that starting 5 is a pretty big injury risk.
And with Giannis as fed up with the mere idea of mediocrity that he seems, does anybody doubt that if Dame played 55 games, Middleton plays 62 and they fall out of the playoffs in the second round, that he's not gonna look at the front office, see that they're now thoroughly tapped out of assets with a severely aging team (think Miami Heat, last LeBron year) and demand that trade?
I think Harden will end up in Miami 🫢
Maybe Heat just don't want to give up some of their players also… the effort of the coaching staff in developing their players must be too much for them to lose even a single piece of player… they fall short last year but it was a good year… GO HEAT!!!!!!
Damian fits the Bucks roster and needs better than he does in Miami. It makes sense that Miami would pay less for Damian (in trade terms) than the Bucks.
Honestly unless Milwaukee ends up winning a title with Lillard then the answer is NO.
Miami was trying to play hardball after Dame made it known that he only wanted to go there. They thought that they had the upper hand and wanted to lowball Portland. Heat fans were totally obnoxious and acted like they deserved to get Dame no matter how bad their offer was. At the end of the day, Bucks is a better destination and Giannis is the teammate that he really needed. It's like the Denver of the East. The trade is awesome.
I disagree with you. Miami didn't think that any other team would trade for Dame after Dame made it clear that he only wanted them. Pat Riley and the Miami fan base thought that Dame was guaranteed. They likely used the media to turn up the pressure on Portland and thought that Portland would buckle. There is no way in hell they thought that Dame would go to any other team in their conference. If they did, they would have stepped up their offer. They fucked around and found out.
Pat Riley: “Go find a better offer!”
Joe Cronin: “OK. We just traded him to the Bucks.”
Pat: “Whaaaaaaat??? 😳 Don’t you know who I am???”
Dame and his team should have handled the situation like Paul George did with OKC. Quietly ask for the trade directly to the executive and both teams can work out a deal behind the scenes. But with dame publicly saying Miami is where he wants to go it gave the heat this entitlement and made them stubborn to give more and made the blazers salty and didn’t want to give dame the satisfaction of giving into his demands like that. Also the blazers are letting other teams know you don’t have to give in to superstar demands so easily, be patient and exhaust every resource
You clearly didn’t read the Marc Spear piece. I stop listening halfway to this nonsense
I’m confused how if the heart are offering two players plus two first round picks and pick swaps is that not being aggressive enough, Portland just didn’t want to do a deal with the heat that’s really it.
Holiday is going to retire in the next few years and the bucks knew that, Ayton is a good big but isn’t a big to build around that’s y the suns we’re so quick to deal him away.
Next time do your job and look at Marc Spears piece and actually talk about legit things that happened! Cronin told Dame for u to go to Miami we are going to go for all their assets which included Bam and Dame saw there wasn’t an Avenue to go to Miami
At the end of the day Miami is comparable to LA for location in terms of the Eastern conference so they'll always have players that want to go there. Especially with a sport that centers around the winter.
Heat fans showed how entitled they are throughout this whole process I swear.. They genuinely thought they had him in the bag
No. They offered the best/safest package but were smart not to blow up their longterm future.
Herro, Jaquez, Jovic, & Bam can be a fantastic core post Jimmy Butler.