We’re still trying to process the Jrue Holiday trade to the Celtics, and one of the criticisms we’ve heard is that we focused maybe a little too much on the negative like how it impacts the depth and makes the Celtics very expensive and unsustainable for more than a year or two. So John Karalis of Boston Sports Journal brought on former blogging partner Chuck McKenney to get a little bit more of a fan’s perspective and look at the trade in ways we might have missed the first time around.
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Not happy enough about the trade? Idk about you guys, but I'm through the damn roof over it lol. I am so hyped for this season that it's actually made me not care about how bad the patriots are.
I have just watched the podcast of CATTLES , an indept analysis of the Holiday trade BACKED UP with a ton statistics. I agree with him 100%
Don't know why you so blue. Just listen to JB and what PP said and even Jrue himself. I am always cautiously optimistic at the beginning of the season, but this year, I'm a little (ok a lot) beyond that. GO CELTICS ☘️🍀☘️
I'm a Rob's fan. Yet the trade was made and now it's time to look at the present and at the future.
I have faith on the new guys outside of the Top6, at least one of them is going to step up. 6 good players for big minutes and 2 more who play 15 minutes or so is all you need in the playoffs at the end of the day. If they manage to minimize Pritchard constantly being targeted on defense, Brisset and him can be enough. If more step up and we have another 2 it would be fantastic but again, 8 players is usually the formula for the playoffs.
If you can't get psyched about having 4 all-stars in your first string, I don't know what to tell you! Gabriel & Queta have promise and, if neither of them work out, it's obvious the owners are going to get us what we need. So much good, eager, hungry, athletic talent picked up in the off-season. Rob, as awesome as he was, was only available 50% of the time anyway so we needed a backup. We'll be good. Pretty obvious we shouldn't worry and can expect we're in good hands with Grousbeck & Co. ☘
my rotation prediction would work this way:
starters: jrue, white, jb, jt, kp
kp, jrue and jb go to the bench early. jt and white stay, then pp, hauser and al come in.
then jt and white go out, jrue and jb come in and play with pp, hauser and al.
then eventually KP, JT and white come back to close the half, with kP coming in a bit earlier.
that's pretty much the 8 man rotation. for b2b, Kornet replaces AL so he's the 9th man.
then the 10th man for emergency depth if any of the wings, pgs are unavailable is Svi. the guy showed alot of promise last year with Charlotte as a point-wing in the hayward mold.
then the garbage time lineup is: banton, svi, walsh, brissett and kornet.
leaving stevens/gabriel out of this 1st as they are on training camp contracts.
good week of episodes Karalis, enjoy the weekend
Chuck brought up a good point/question…'Did Wyc lose patience to want big changes to win it now'? I think that was a big factor in Brad getting the green light to make it happen….second apron be damned!
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Found this podcast during the off-season and been a religious listener ever since. So hyped to start this season and spend it here with Karalis ! 🍀
Red’s Army was one of my daily reads some ten years ago. Nice site for aggregated Celtics content 🙂
I don’t understand this mentality at all because you didn’t buy broken toys. Kristaps extension is still very viable, jrue is still a very moveable piece. So I guess my question is what’s the harm? Either this work as i suspect it absolutely will or you trade out at prob still great value two guys who warrant assets and keep the jays and build all over again. It’s not like u have a harden here or a lowry or a wall or Westbrook you have guys still playing elite who either are the answer or can be moved off of in a positive fashion. Boston sports media has been horrendous to me in analyzing what this team is and is capable of. It’s just a bunch of handwringing and terrible Kp takes and now jrue. And hearing smart was some kind of world beater who absolutely was not just replaced by a much better player. Also the Celtics don’t have chump change as some of these bench compete guys, these guys are prototypical long, defense and hustle first types. We don’t need scoring. We need guys who will take pride in locking guys down and be switchable and we have a bunch who can compete for this role. I personally would like us to bring in nerlens noel as rotation big but other than that I’m good with where we are at. And stay away from Dwight. I can’t wait to watch Boston media flip out for this team when it’s running right…
Personally I felt like healthy rob would cause absolute chaos in this lineup but man he really has never been able to be that. And the clincher for jrue for me is that man is gonna be out for absolute blood. Usually it’s just ur former team ur pissed at. He’s gonna be pissed at his team and it’s stars. I can’t wait.
☘️☘️☘️ We need Locked on Celtics Apex pyramid edition ts ASAP
Dalano Banton? Lamar Stevens is decent at the 4
who wants a player with tremendous character voted best teammate 3 times- almost 20 pts a game and 5 times all defensive first team much rather have 2 guys with injury histories- you are right John
once again you need to be reminded it is not your money and our owner and head of basketball loves it
i think my reaction is it was too much to give up both Brogden and Williams plus stuff. not sure he is that much better of a guard vs brogdon that it imprives us enough to give up williams
Y’all have to understand moves were basically forced. The tantrum everybody was going through when the playoffs arrived and clashing heads in the locker room. We needed this breathe of fresh air. And repeating the same thing over and over with out any type of change is delusion itself
Sam Hauser ain’t getting enough respect our top 7 is great!
Go head Jrue I want you to raise that jersey like Banner 18 3Js Exspress yah herd meh LFG Celtics.
my problem with this is why they worried about how much celtics gave up and the dudes brad stevens gave up was injury prone and draft picks that's not worth anything because celtics going to continue to be good and for the haters that like to say celtics gave up to much and don't have depth and jrue holiday it's good most of the bucks fans was not saying that when jrue was on there team now that jrue on the celtics he trash even know when he was with the bucks jrue was the 2nd option if not the 1st option now jrue on a team where it's not needed for him to be the 1st option or the 2nd option or the 3rd option and if the haters have so much doubt it should be easy for them to beat the celtics if they so confident even know Giannis and dame never played 1 game together it's hilarious 🧱☘️☘️# banner 18
So getting a unicorn who can play defense and score 20 was an overreaction even though getting smart off the team was an added bonus.
Now jrue holiday is some how hurting this team because we don’t have a big who played 30 games and we got rid of a guy we didn’t want. It just purely being down on the trade for the sake of being down on the trade.
John is normally super level headed but I think smart and rob being gone are making him a bit too green team heavy, they were nice role players that we now replaced with star level players. There is no scenario each trade wasn’t a major win.
I'm not happy with the trade. I'm elated!
I don't see Holiday being much better than Brogdon and he's three years older at 33 which is where most players drop off fast. For that they throw in two first rounders and 25 year old Rob Williams who when he's healthy is a game changer. Timelord total regular season games played in 23, 24, and 25 year old seasons is 148. Holiday played 139 games for those three seasons. For the previous three seasons Holiday averaged 64 games and Timelord averaged 49 so they both miss games. Timelord also played 27 of the last 30 games last season and every playoff game. Timelord is trending toward being a healthier player for a few years just like Holiday had a good stretch when he turned 26. Big win for Portland. The Celtics can talk all they want about how this is the year but they made themselves worse with this trade. When teams throw two big men at them in the playoffs and dominate the inside and the Celtics are jacking up brick threes again they're gonna go home empty again. The only way they can improve is if Jordan Walsh turns into the second best player on the team but how's he gonna get minutes with the 304 million dollar turnover machine on the roster. Are they gonna bench Brown even if other guys do more. Hell no, he'll get all his minutes and all his shots so he can get all his ISO points and keep his trade value up for after the season for the sucker GM that likes athletic guys that shoot a lot and can't dribble with their left hand.
So on the whole apron thing, isn't the cap going up dramatically in a couple years? I know they're smoothing the increase but shouldn't that help?
It’s bad I’m more of a football guy and I’m already back here only 4 pats games in🤣
This show would be better with a second host.
I’m getting Stephen A and Skip Bayless tension between these two
HOLY CRAP IS THAT THE LEGEND HIMSELF? Chuck Mc! You better put some respect on his name…🙏🏻☘️
I'm confident that our backup big situation is going to be okay after watching some film on Gabriel and Queta. They should be able to play enough minutes to keep Al Horford fresh enough for when it matters.
I still wonder how much consideration, if any, we gave to bringing back Griffin or bringing in Dwight Howard. Anyone know? Thanks.
Wouldn't it be interesting if Celtics were pressed to make this trade because: 1. Holiday could have gone to a competitor 2. Holiday wanted to come here after the trade trauma..
For myself, Locked On will never replace The Morning Dump.
Nevertheless I am happy for your success John.
Boston is better team if you can see that maybe you need a new job. Sound like you hating because you was wrong about them Going Out to get drew.. At the end of the day we will see. But if you can see that boston is in a better place Now. Then I don't know what to tell you
The Celtics got rid of Rondo, with lots of encouragement from Bob Ryan and all the rest of the media and near media and have gone through a dozen top point guards trying to replace him and that story continues – Holiday is probably the best one so far.
For what it's worth, I thought you had a balanced, relevant overview of the trade. No issues.
Here's hoping for a season of all bench lineups in the 4th quarter
Best episode ever of an already great show. I hope we get to see John and Chuck again soon.
I think the long-term ramifications now are just extensions of what was ALREADY true: the window was going to start closing after next year, even if they'd never traded for KP. As you said after that trade, getting KP actually gave them MORE options after the upcoming season. What if KP ends up having BETTER chemistry with Tatum than Jaylen? Ditto for Jrue. No, it's not conceivable to keep all four more than 2 seasons, but who cares right now? They might have been looking to break up the Jays alone by that point ANYWAY. Brad dramatically improved their "win now" quotient AND gave them more permutations to consider for WHO they keep. Moreover, I think Jrue further insulates them vs. injury to one of the others.