With Joe Flacco at QB, the Cleveland Browns are LEGITIMATE Super Bowl contenders

With Joe Flacco at QB, the Cleveland Browns are LEGITIMATE Super Bowl contenders

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Not it’s not the New Year it’s weird Christmas being on a Monday feels weird to me and I don’t know why because I feel like Christmas is usually well I get you know if it’s because if Christmas is midweek like Wednesday through Sunday MH that’s the end of the

Week it feels like you know what I mean but Christmas being on a Monday now you have a whole week almost between Christmas and New Year’s it’s it just feels a little different is it a lot of regular jobs that like go back to work today absolutely unless you work for

Like the government so let me get this right people went out and celebrated Christmas yesterday on a Monday yeah did probably had eggnog and all of that and now I got to get up and go to work today I mean if you’re working like a real job

That’s crazy you know a real you know blue collar job you’re probably working today I mean you look at vacation time that’s not fair I drunk some tequila last night here I am we’re working today am I let you know did not see what’s interesting though is I don’t know if it

Feels this way to you guys and we got a lot to get to today Leroy is going to join us in a little bit we’ll go to Mike in a second for the for the we got a big FanDuel ticket for you we’re going to get all into the Browns Big Win

Obviously we did a show yesterday hope you enjoyed that we did that show from home uh you guys had the postgame show on Sunday everybody’s going wild we’ll talk about the Ravens win we’ll talk about it all in just a second I don’t know if you guys agree with this though I feel

Like that there there’s a lot more in terms of even on Christmas Eve and the and the week this week there’s a lot more I I felt like when I was a kid and I was a kid a lot longer than you guys a lot more snow yeah no no

Well yeah that too but I felt like it was everything was shut down there was nothing you couldn’t go anywhere except for it it was like Chinese food and the movie theater are you talking about on Christmas well maybe not Christmas day but even Christmas Eve everything’s open

On Christmas Eve yes oh I I actually went I I this this is you know officially makes me a Midwestern I’m now 100% Midwestern I went to LongHorn Steakhouse for dinner on Christmas Eve you know what’s funny Longhorn steakouse I was I was driving because I did the

Browns game so I was driving back to to Worcester to go be with my family cuz we stayed at our in-laws and they have a Lorn packed packed packed I like are you serious it’s like :00 at night and it’s packed I went in there at like 7:00

Place was full I ran into somebody I knew I mean it was the whole big thing Longhorn I guess that’s the new thing CH prime rib Earl so nobody going to talk about the fact that it was damn near 70° outside yesterday it was the California Christmas listen if I never see another

White Christmas again I am a okay I’ve been saying I’m with you that like that was beauti that was beautiful it was awesome I’m outside in shorts my son and I are outside in shorts and t-shirts cleaning out the gutters I had him doing all the work had him up on the ladder

Pulling out the the leaves it was get he got to learn how to work he said you going to work today oh Christmas oh Christmas you going to work today Aon he loved it you going to work my boy I’m telling you he loved it he had fun he

Had fun he liked helping he loves to help that kid just no I figured he’d be at home Madden you know we played first of all we did play Madden earlier day he kicked my ass okay I scored the first touchdown and that was it we were doing

Chiefs versus ners okay I was the chief no yeah I was the Chiefs I scored a touchdown right away I’m up six nothing I missed the extra point and then he scored 29 unanswered points kic my ass it be like that sometime but after that

Pass the sticks we went out and did the gutter how does that feel you know when you cuz I I’m not going to ever get to this this moment because there’s no way that my kids is going to be me but as at a point in time you used to be very

Dominant in your kids in sports video games when they win now how does that make you feel well I was I don’t really play video games gutters that’s it the punishment that’s the punishment for beating your dad but that’s it he can’t beat me in anything else we play MLB the show a

Couple weeks ago I I kicked his ass what about like actual Sports he couldn’t beat me in any sport you don’t think what is he going to beat me in he’s 10 years old basketball acting I me acting that’s not basketball Steve hold on wait a

Minute Steve that is not a sport I know this is outside of your real but acting is not a sport okay no he can’t beat me in basketball and I’m not very good at basketball but I you know I’m although he’s 5T tall now but I’m still 8 in tall

Than him seven in tall than him what are you we played are you gonna be sad when he beats you no but he’s not gonna I’m not going to let him win I don’t believe in that I think my daughter can beat me what I can’t well

Your I can’t man you got to cut that out the cartright thing is real bro I can’t hoop I can’t hoop what you when you okay hold on let’s address this what do you mean you can’t hoop what can’t you do D at least you can play defense oh yeah I

Got the Bruce Bowen down pack you can be on the court I can’t dribble and I I can’t shoot from long range but you know what I’m saying I can make a layup I can play some defense I used to be able to like at least 6 even and how tall is your

Daughter my daughter is what she’s short she about five five is she a really good shooter she’s a better shooter than me do you play you play one-on-one no oh you you haven’t played one-onone no want to I’m going to let you know something

Me and my wife my wife was a a pretty pretty good high school basketball player really good she didn’t play college no she uh gave it up but anyways we decided to play a game and I completely destroyed her to let her know that this is not that I know I know this

And this was like you know when you young and you in a relationship y’all do the cute thing when Y no this was like n this was serious you know like the end of Ling basketball where he dunked on her at the end that’s where I was at

What was the score I was five to nothing real quick five you only played the five you give a chance for comeback why would I we could have played the 21 she’s not it’s not happen she shoot my wife can shoot very well okay I respect it though

Cuz he didn’t set a false expectation right he he he set the standard from the beginning of the relationship and I’m going to the Lane were you physical like beating her up yep yep all right Mike go ahead what’s up guys we got a massive show on deck

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Unbelievable if y’all seen my team I don’t know how I’m in the championship well Amari Cooper’s how yeah yeah he gave like 50 points he put my team on his back thank you Amari he did so it’ll be Amari Cooper Amari Cooper it’ll be tyus against G Bush for the championship

So there you go uh we’ll talk more about I we got to hear more later about Mike’s uh trip to Jason for Christmas but for now the question is guys I think we know the answer but I’ll ask it anyway uh and I’ll begin with you Earl

Are the Browns a legit super a legit Contender to make the Super Bowl I think a th% the Browns is a legit uh Contender to make the Super Bowl I sat here right here on this set in July and said I felt like the Cleveland Browns will be

Playing in the AFC Championship and that’s before I knew everything that would play out this season yes that was with the expectation of deshun Watson balling out and things like that with all the adversity that the Cleveland Browns have gone through and to have 10 wins fourth time since 1989 to be where

They are Joe flacko playing the way they’re playing you look at the rest of the landscape of the AFC I definitely think the Cleveland Browns are legit Super Bowl contenders we can look at if you look at the game last night between the Ravens and the 49ers we clearly see

That the Ravens is the best team in the NFL the good thing about that to me is I know for a fact that Cleveland Browns can beat them with all things equal and so when I when I just we know the Ravens can beat the Browns too with all things

Equal but when I look at everything absolutely I feel like the Cleveland Browns can uh is are legit Super Bowl contenders Travis I mean yeah they’re absolutely Super Bowl contenders I mean like I say given through given the things that they’ve been through and where they’re at and you look at the

Landscape there’s no dominant team in the NFL outside of maybe Baltimore Baltimore do look legit on All Phases of the game um but what I like about the Browns the most where the Browns have the edge yet over a lot of these teams is that they’ve dealt with so many

Injuries that when something happens in the game it it is what it is like all right next man come in there same results right where to whereas you see other teams when somebody gets hurt it’s a scramble let’s take the Texans game for example yeah you know they didn’t

Have CJ stoud in there we already knew that they didn’t have Will Anderson in there and then a couple of guys get banged up in the course of the game Jimmy Ward goes down they lose some Corners yeah they lost their other good pass rusher yeah and they lost their

Other pass rusher so they lost like three guys in the course of that game and everything just fell apart nobody knew what to do right to whereas Cleveland has it where we didn’t dealt with it this whole year so the next person that goes in there is still

Everything still clicks like that and I think that right there is the advantage that they have the one thing that I’m really interested to see with Baltimore is they really been pretty healthy this entire season they might have had a couple Mark Andrews yeah yeah except Mark Andrews but outside of that they’ve

Had been pretty healthy at some point of this season not wishing it on it but at some point it’s just the nature of this game injuries is is 100% going to happen to somebody in this game they’re going to deal with an injury and I need to see

How they respond to it because they haven’t had to deal with it outside of Mark Andrews which Isaiah likely has been doing a really good job of coming in there and expelling him but over the course of the playoffs somebody’s going to go down and I need to see who the

Next person that comes in does the the level of play drop off we know with the Cleveland Browns they can handle it because they’ve been doing it so I think that’s the one key advantage that they have over every other team in the NFL the Browns obviously are Super Bowl

Contenders they’re not Super Bowl favorites but they’re Super Bowl contenders with 100% um everything about this season is weird every nothing about this season makes sense there’s so many things about the Browns that if you hadn’t watched this team all year and you just saw some

Of the statistics on paper you’d say no of course this team’s not a Super Bowl Contender there’s so many things about them but nothing about the season makes sense and if you watch this team every week and you watch enough of the rest of the league then clearly the Browns are a

Super Bowl Contender I was thinking about this like if you picked playoff teams B like they do in college football if there was a college foot let’s say we you three the three of us are the college football playoff committee and we put would the Browns make top four I

Don’t think they’d make top four but they’d make top you know we’re going to 12 now and in the NFL you’d have more than four so I don’t know would you have them in the top four I’m sh here I think I would have him just out of the top

Four but i’ have him in the top eight I would have I have Baltimore Baltimore’s w you have to have Baltimore oneis right who’s three let me give you some possibilities Browns chiefs no Dolphins Cowboys we can’t just be prisoner moment it can’t just be just about the last game or at

Least it shouldn’t be what but the Eagles in there eagles Detroit I’ll tell you right now right now and maybe I’m being a little prison the moment is three I would go Miami three I think I put the I think I put Miami 3 to I I

Would put the Browns three over well I don’t know cuz they both both got the same issues going they both win at home they’re not but the Browns have a better no I would go Browns three the Browns have a higher strength of percentage win versus Miami does right well Miami never

Has only beat one team above five exactly so that’s why I will put the Browns three yeah I just think I I I’m not looking I’m looking at just looking at the teams I think the Dolphins are a little more well balanced right now than the Browns because the Browns can’t run

The ball Dolphins can run the ball and I but I but the Browns are in the conversation certainly I would I think I would I think I’m try not to be biased you know I have totally jumped on the Browns you know I’m like really into

Rooting for the Browns more than I ever have before and so I’m trying not to be biased I think if I look at it from an unbiased perspective I think I would have Miami three I think I would put at four I mean it could be the Browns I

Think I would put either the Browns the Cowboys or the Lions for me would be four I I think the Browns were in the top six i i i i I’d have to think about it more to find out exactly where I put them but they’re in the top six the only

Thing about the Browns that would make it hard for me to put them at the fourth is because they don’t run the ball well and they turn the ball over yeah that’s the two you would think eventually those things will catch up I don’t know if it

Will because it’s just been such a wacky season but those two problems especially the turnovers you’d think once they playing better teams that that will catch them at some point hopefully it or hopefully they’ll disappear in the playoff they been they Joe Flo’s been doing he’s literally

Been way he’s doing is it’s funny because he goes out there he’ll give it away he like you know he reminds me of a little bit like jamus Winston back when he had that 30 for30 he he go out there and turn the ball over but he also going

To get you a bunch of touchdowns so it’s like it’ll make up for one year jamus was now jamus had more turnovers than touchdowns no I think he was 30 for 30 was 30 touch 30 Joe’s on on the season Joe flacko has 10 touchdowns and eight turnovers cuz he’s

I think he’s lost a fumble or two right right so I mean you know listen you’re right he lost one fumble uh it’s funny if you look at the numbers compared to deshun Watson and at this point they’ played about the same amount this year statistically outside of the total

Yardage where Flaco’s way ahead of Watson statistically they’re real close like Watson’s actually got a little better completion percentage mhm Watson’s got eight touchdowns six turnovers uh Joe Flaco 10 touchdowns eight turnovers their qbrs are similar flos is better uh their completion percentage similar Watson’s a little

Better but I feel like watching them that flos played significantly better than Watson well I mean it’s I don’t know I it’s I still think it has to do with the the flow of the offense I mean it’s much better now it just seems like it’s much better and the and the

Interesting thing is that they’re doing it with no Run game and that’s right flos being as to do way more than Watson was right but when you think about Deshawn Watson and when he thrived it was always five wide shotgun and let him do his thing and we got to start seeing

That towards the end when he was getting when he got hurt but for the most part they were still trying to figure things out and I think with Kevin stefansky and Joe flacko it’s Kevin stuff I mean literally that’s what he said in the post gu they asked Joe Flaco about a

Play you know what he said he said you have to ask Kevin stefansky Kevin comes up with that stuff I don’t I just run what he calls I don’t know you know that Kevin’s the genius behind all of that and I’m just like that’s not supposed to

Be yeah I mean they they are very much on the same page exactly and I think that’s why you know it looks the way it looks and when things go wrong over a course of a game or when things need to be tweaked and adjust it’s easy cuz

Kevin’s like this is my stuff I I can go out there and fix that easily but when you’re trying to mix and you trying to you trying to do what desan likes you trying to do what I like and trying to mix it it’s like I don’t really know how

To fix it 100% like that yet because it’s not my stuff same thing same problem I think Joe Woods had last year on defense I think that the reason that the defense look bad is because and I told y’all this so many times I I would

Come on this show and I would look at some of this stuff and be like oh that’s easy we can fix it just by doing this this and that but it’s like I know that defense Joe Woods when he was in Denver they was a Twan under team like they ran

A lot of manto man when he went to San Francisco he inherited that defense Robert solah put it in it was successful they kind of taught it to him and he just took it and ran with it over here so he really don’t know the ends and

Outs of that defense to be able to fix it like that and I think that’s the same thing we were seeing with Kevin stfy and deshun Watson trying to mix their what they like to do on offense together it’s like we don’t really know how to fix it

100% yet because we don’t know exactly what the final product is supposed to look like good point it’s funny he talk about the Florida offense I think this was like two weeks ago I was listening to Joe th is on Cleveland Browns radio network he was on there with your boy Bo

Bishop and naan sagur oh yeah and he was talking about uh flacko being in New York with laflor and how laflor and stefansky kind of comes from the same tree yeah and a lot of what they run is similar and I think we underestimated how quickly Joe flacker was going to be

Able to pick up this Browns offense and take off running with it you see him getting better and more comfortable with this offense every single week you see Kevin stefansky as a play caller like I told Mike my man’s cooking with Fish Grease right now it’s like whatever he

Call is working but I think more so than just the flow of the offense it’s that veteran leadership of understanding the little nuances right understanding what the opposing defense is trying to do um just just the the movement it’s just so many different things about what he’s

Doing and it it has me like damn like just seeing him recognize to Blitz get the ball out quick to one throw to DAV the joku it’s just the veteran lead leadership you know understanding in the Florida offense Kevin stansky with his play calling and the Browns like you

Said they’re doing all of this without a running game real quick tyers alluded to you know guys get hurt and you know we’re just subing guys in and we keeping this train rolling you can really start to see the culture change in Cleveland right and I think that’s why these

Things are happening is because we have a healthy culture to where you can legit just plug in play and keep it moving I agree with that yeah and you know it’s funny because it seems like every week the Browns lose somebody on offens and even this this

Week it was special you Los but I said this yesterday on the show that obviously you don’t want to see your kicker orter get hurt especially the kicker we lost both of them lost both guys right I never heard of this the kicker you know I said this on Monday I

I want your take on this guys I said I said there’s a little part of Kevin that loves that he can’t kick the ball I that’s fact that’s facts Kevin Proby somewhere like y go for every wait a minute wait he was he not he was pretty

Decently successful with it I mean they got the two point conver but that’s the boy’s point he was like he was looking his tops like yeah I get to play I can’t be criticized for going for two I can’t be criticized for not pting he said I’m

About to try this to do it he said o i going try this I ain’t tried this all year I’ve been drawing this one up all year finally he went deep into the play but you know you know the interesting thing we talked about you know how back

When it was all about Kevin needs to give a play calling he’s calling these terrible play did you watch the Chiefs game did you see the the the reverse that got fumbled and got taken to the house by I did not see that play some of

The game but not the whole thing so the interesting thing is I’m the play didn’t work and it resulted in a touchdown I know what the thought was and I’m sitting there thinking to myself I wonder if they’re out there saying Andy Reed should give up play call EDD re the

Lost his D don’t that sound absurd yeah that’s what we was dealing with though right now if anybody said take Kevin stens you should give him to BL CL you’d be like what are you an idiot that’s what I’m saying right exactly exactly right if y’all notied even the stuff

That didn’t work fans is not complaining no more like we had a couple drives where we went three and out and punt it and now all of a sudden nobody is questioning anything that I think people realize like given the circumstances he’s done a great job with the

Circumstance which is I’ve been trying to say all year like this man is dealing with he doesn’t have his horses he has nobody and he’s still finding a way make things happen you can try to give it to AP I don’t know if AVP is I’m not going

To say he isn’t or if he is but I think it’ll be totally interesting to watch him go out there like yeah we going to give you try to run your your best stuff with these twos and threes that we got out there see if you get it done right

And and right now Kevin stanski doesn’t he he’s got nothing to do with the defense I’m sure Jim Schwarz is the head coach of the defense he Kevin stanski loves that’s what a lot of coaches like these days they want to have their unit that’s what I said about go

I play defense Calin never came down said nothing to the it’s so funny man because like this is where I love Kevin stfy I think he’s a great leader of man I think he’s a like he just exhibits great leadership when I was a supervisor for the city of Cleveland one of the

Things that I learned in training was the art of Delegation right you you train up your people you put the right people in place and then you delegate so you can focus on what your primary job is when I first got promoted I was doing the same things that I was doing that

Got me to promotion you know trying to outwork everybody this that and the third but my obligations changed when I became a leader we seen Kevin stefansky grow his past off season as a leader right you seen him look at his coaching staff realize Joe Woods ain’t it Mike

Preer ain’t it I need to make some serious upgrades so that I can delegate to me that I trust so I can focus on the overall landscape of this football team and I think so much with Kevin stefansky is is hung up on the ex’s and no that

People don’t forget is more to being a great head coach or good head coach even to that you got to be a leader of men you got to be organized you got to you got to know how to put people in the right situations to have success and

He’s done a better job of that and the players love him well that’s what I was going to say this year I I think this year what happened was he he realized what you’re saying is right you know I with with a lot of great offensive Minds

The thing about a great offensive coach and some of the best offensive coaches I’ve been around don’t really know how to handle defense so that’s why they go get some of the best defensive guys minded wise and say you run def I’m not you do your thing over there I don’t

Really want to be bothered with that I trust you to get it done right so I can focus on this offense same thing with Kyle Shanahan I don’t really know too much about that defense or what you running over there but do your thing and I think Kevin finally got that with Jim

Schwarz was like I trust Jim Jim’s gonna get it done anything that happens Jim it’s Jim’s defense he knows how to make the checks and adjustments it’ll get corrected like that which we see a a lot of the times and the the the next step

He took was I want this team to become closer I want to build it as a family atmosphere because like I say that when you do it for somebody outside of yourself you tend to do it you go harder because it’s like I don’t want to let my

Teammate down sure and I think for him he’s been so button up and been so Bill bich where he don’t let nobody in media nobody and I think this was the first year he was like he started opening up a little bit and once they went to Green

Brier and they spent more time around the team I don’t think he did it on purpose I think it accidentally happened where he started really connecting with guys he started really learning about them getting to know about these guys and he opened his heart up it it’s

Accidental but you you spend time with somebody you open it’s like a relationship you the more time you spend with somebody the more you open up to him and he’s become to the point where it’s like I love these guys like I’m about to go out there and do everything

I can show a little emotion exactly he’s fired up on the sidelines he’s cussing referees out he’s speaking more in the media I do think he he maintains uh like he doesn’t lose his mind no it’s not over the to that’s important but he definitely has loosened up a little bit

And that’s good Jonathan peterin right he told this story Sunday when you talk about the development of relationships with the players he talked about David njoku in 2020 when Kevin stefansky first got here it’s not like they he he said I’m not going to say they hated each

Other but it was a major disconnect there you fast forward to where they are now and these dudes like they’re bonded right yeah they the communication is there the relationship is healthy we’ve had a a few Cleveland Browns players on our show in different ways over the last

Couple weeks and they’ve all said the same thing they talked about the team chemistry they talked about this Brotherhood this Bond and going to war for each other or just being there for each other and and blocking out the outside noise and I think that that’s attributed to what Kevin stefansky has

Done and so you’re absolutely right you’re absolutely right those relationships matter and the healthier the relationship is it’s kind of like us we all got healthy relationships despite what the public think when the cameras is isol yeah I just found out today I just found out today in fact

Before the show that I can’t remember how it started but I said oh I bet a lot of the audience thinks I hate Jay which I don’t but he and I argue a lot uh and both Mike and Earl told me that they’ve both been asked do I hate them and I

Think that’s crazy I had Thanksgiving at this man’s house well boy I love you guys boy nobody’s ever asked if you hated me no we get along all the time but I can’t believe people would think I hate you and I can’t believe people would think I hate you I love you guys

Even Jay who I argue with way more more than us way more way more than you guys I don’t hate Jay at all I love to argue with him I love to needle him he loves to needle me I love it I have never hated anybody that I’ve been on a show

With every anybody except Steve I love Steve that’s between them two but the point is man you can you can you can look at the ultimate Cleveland sports show and then you can look at the Cleveland Browns and you can see some similarities of how those relationships kind of help build build

This moment and keep us pushing forward and that’s why how they going to win the Super Bowl that’s why we going be here for a long time exactly next topic Bobby G sent me his top four if he was Voting in as a committee and I want to just

Give you top four real quick with a minute on this but do you agree disagree think he’s close or way off this is Bobby G from game times top four if we were voting playoff committee yeah number one Ravens number two Browns number three Lions number four

49ers with the bills and Eagles at five and six I I think you know we forgot about the bills because the bills are playing great I know they didn’t beat the Chargers by a lot but they look I I I’m actually it I I would actually the Browns play anybody in the playoff

Rather than the bills that’s the last team I want them to play man every since sh mcder dropped the ball boy they picked it up and been rolling you guys agree with that bills are the bill I don’t want I want to play the bills it

Took me a while like Mike said earlier I’d rather be late to the party party and not show up yeah it took me a minute to come around to like okay I don’t want to play Buffalo right now anybody else in the AFC I think I’m okay playing I I

Don’t want to play Miami in Miami they might put you on that when it’s 30° hotter but everybody else man this fair game bringle although interestingly with the dolphins Jaylen w got hurt they did yeah that’s a pretty big deal and then Tyreek is still dealing with the ankle

Yeah but he’s but he’s playing I he’s not by the time the Browns would play them he’s probably okay but to not because it’s not like they’re deep they have those two guys who would great we know how long wd’s out what’s that update on how long W I thought I read

That he might be done for the season I could maybe like a high ankle spraying right I don’t I don’t know four to six something like that that’s four to six I look I look into uh I mean listen you could put the Browns wherever you want I

Mean I think overall like it’s funny when it comes to the Browns versus said the Browns was two well here’s the thing it’s like college football playoff committee what’s more important the head-to-head obviously the Browns won that game overall you would I think it’s fair to argue the Niners have played a

Little better than the Browns this year overall as a more balanced you know they’ve won more decisively more often but yeah I mean you could make an argument for the Browns to be as high as I don’t think it’s absurd I I would have too personally but I don’t think it’s an

Absurd argument to make I think the more I think about it I’d have the Browns probably four or five I got them I got them three I I would have I would go Baltimore San Francisco Cleveland Buffalo I I would leave Detroit out Detroit won last week but over the last

Couple five weeks they’ve been kind of shaky they D they blew the game Dallas came Wi on the road um Kansas City they a dumpster fire right now they can’t C they’re a mess yeah so it’s like I they loost they lost the game and the Aon completed six passes in the first

Quarter went on to complete not another pass for the rest of game and they won and and uh by the way speaking of the AFC North real quick how about the Beatdown the Steelers put on the Bengals I feel bad for you God speaking of dumpster fire and decisive things

This next question we’re going to ask I’m going put in the poll yeah and I’m beyond curious how the the chat is going to respond to this I’m going to throw a few on the fire here but first as the weather gets colder the NFL offers stay

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Have a voice he had to go to the doctor so Earl he did go to the doctor he you know he he hasn’t texted me back Ted me yeah I don’t know but he did he sent me a doctor’s note so he definitely went to

The doctor uh and before Earl new he was going to be out there I asked Earl this question he goes I don’t even want to answer that man I’m not going to answer that well now Earl you’re on the panel you can’t avoid the question what was

G’s answer had G given you an answer no G had not answered this for me okay so here’s the question you want to do it any I want to ask it to you because I want all you guys to answer right now today is Joe flacko more valuable to the Browns Than Miles

Garrett that’s such a tough question I I don’t like when he do this let me let me put it in this perspective and I’ll tell you why my answer is as insane as this is I was going to say it’s Joe Flo that’s who you you going okay and let me

Tell you why I’m going the opposite way but go ahead let me tell you why cuz I thought about it this way we just said the Browns are Super Bowl contenders if miles Garrett can’t play the rest of the season do you think the Browns are still

Super Bowl contenders NOP okay I do I don’t you don’t I do too you do too I think they are I really don’t I don’t like their chances as much but I think they still are if Joe flacko gets hurt today or the Brownfield Super Bowl contend absolutely not yes what you

Crazy you think they could win a Super Bowl with DTR or PJ Walker yeah all right Hey listen if those are your answers listen I believe I believe in Kevin I’m like the only person in this world that kind of believes in Kevin right I love Kevin you know that y’all

Don’t believe in him like that you believe that Kevin was PJ under Center he they what’s the was his record what’s his wait wait speaking of Philip Walker is back on the Browns active roster this is insane job Andrew ridiculous what is can you give me that that PJ Walker graphic I’m not

One more on the screen I don’t know exactly did hurt his hip he is out Philip Walker’s been upgraded to the active roster the Browns also signed a punter which I’ll tell you guys about in the next set we’ll get to the kicker of the punter in a little bit anyway okay

So you’re you’re go obviously based on your answers you’re taking miles G I’m taking Miles because this is why the Browns have won a b a bunch of games without Joe flacko they they won a decent amount of games without Joe I think if you take miles off we don’t

Know what the Browns look like without miles if you take miles off that opens up play calling plays that get a lot of the plays that and Kevin said it last week on his press conference a lot of the plays that we don’t see from Mil or happen miles get tfls miles gets

Pressures you telling me I can run to the left of the the left of or the side of of the field now without M you telling me I don’t have to spend a double team or a triple team I can actually have more guys go out in

Coverage you telling me I can do all that offensively oh absolutely now we’re going to be much more effective offensively because because we don’t have to sacrifice two or three guys to stop one guy offensively they’ve been able to get things done without Joe flacko they PJ Walker came and done well

DTR has won games PJ Walker hasn’t done well they won in SPID of they won the game they did it ain’t that the only difference between PJ and and Joe oh right now right now no right now is that Joe actually is throwing more touchdowns but he turning the ball over every game

The ball over only difference that’s the only difference PJ Walker’s one for five Joe flacko seven for five or something so what so what he’s still turning the ball over I know that but he’s making up for if if no all you got to do is take

Her the defense is so good that just don’t turn the ball over just don’t turn the ball over they could they at least could run the ball a little bit when PJ Walker was playing the first they can’t run it all now they can’t run right now

You telling mej Walker how they can score here’s my C here’s my maybe they you know why they ain’t running the ball well cuz they leaning on Joe flacker if you know why they ran the ball with PJ cuz they knew that if they didn’t run the ball

Well out pocket pocket he’s absolutely why why is the defense playing so why did they play so well went down they I hear you but at last week one second that’s all you the chat real quick tiis the only difference is touchdowns never seen the chat go hotter

Than after you just so you know I’ve never seen the chat go hotter than said turn the ball over about yard a game in that game in that game Sunday I se zarius Smith ball out like he hasn’t at any point this week right over the

Last this year this year over the last two or three weeks Alex Wright you know what I’m saying he been making a little bit of noise getting some quarterback pressures Etc miles Garrett has been playing good without the sacks I’ll give him that as has the quarterback pressures been there not really they

Wasn’t there the last game we just talked about the culture we just talked about this Plug and Play Jim Schwarz and set the tone with this defense back in the preseason they’ve been playing like this back in the preseason I know you’re not about to say I know you Ain I know

You’re not a to what I think are wait a minute all I’m saying is are you sitting there telling me you telling me the only difference between PJ Walker are you telling me was the touchdown are you telling me right now that if miles gar sat off and sat on the

Sideline you be okay with zarius Smith and Alex wri at DN that what you are you insane you know why do you know why they’re able to do that because is taking on a double team triple Team all the time and you think PJ going take us to the Super Bowl he

Won games oh G this is ridiculous did he not win games tius is outside of his mind is PJ Walker not a winner oh my goodness sarius Smith that had all these sacks his whole damn career Mikey McNuggets a winner or not career-wise this is ridiculous is he not a winner my

Daughter just text me dad type is crazy all I need to know y’all can say whatever you want to say I just need to know is careerwise are we giving are we giving PJ Walker the Colts game yes we are he played the whole game six and 10

Is a starter in his career he’s what six six and four is a starter in 10 games okay tiis let me let me say something cuz I AG my case there’s a there’s a lot in what you said that was actually true ACC it’s getting it’s getting lost in your PJ Walker

In your argument about his name is pH your argument about why the other guys are able to have success is is dead on you’re right thank the reason they’re able to have success is because miles Garrett those guys are are nowhere close to Miles Garrett and the Browns chances

Of winning this I was about to say the World Series the Browns chances of winning the Superbowl without miles Garrett would go down no doubt he he’s the second most important player player he’s the best player on the team but right nowe on this team on this team in

This unique circumstance divis Joe Flaco is more important because the offense right now without Joe flacko would be the worst offense in the league be nonexistent it would be non-exist you know what I’m going to take that back not the worst in the league because I

Love Kevin stansky and he’d make it like the 23rd offense what is their offensive rank right now I’ll say this terms of what in terms of what since flos total offense I haven’t done the numbers but I do the game stats every week before we

Come on the show each week that I do the team by team stats I’ve seen the points per game pass yards per game those numbers literally Elevate like three or four spots every single that’s fine but this is what this y’all y’all some Hypocrites and I got to put my phone

Down listen y’all all right Steve let me see that thank you y’all know that this season anything are any other the season in the NFL y’all can literally sit there and tell me that this year proves that you might be able to win with an average Quarterback okay quarterback we might

Have been overrating it a little bit because there’s been so many different quarterbacks that’s got hurt this year and yet these teams are still finding ways to win games right some teams okay most of the better teams still have good qu say you can say pretty much this

Season that the teams with the better defense are top pretty much the top of the NFL right now I mean the best team in football is the Ravens and Lamar Jackson’s playing great what about the defense well the defense playing great too about San Francisco well until yesterday was

Playing great what about the Cleveland Browns that’s fair with the BR so you would be soal I don’t think I’m stepping out on the limb by saying that this year that I think that more times did not defense probably gonna win championships no but you stepping out there saying

Phillip you you wait a answer the question is defense is Def going do you think chance this year will okay thank you think there’s now we we progressing in the right direction I think you could win it with a mid-tier quarterback which right now i’ actually say Joe Flo’s playing better

Than that but he’s at least playing like a mid-tier quarterback why do do you think PJ Walker’s the worst quarterback wait a minute wait a minute this don’t make no sense why so you can win it with a m a mid- tier quarterback because of what defense thank you so how you going

To take away the best player on the defense and think you going to get the results Philip no bro I they’re one you I can see if they lost every game all I’m saying is they’re I if the Browns lost flacko or Garrett they’re probably not going to win the Super Bowl that’s

Fact probably not however I would give them a better chance with no Garrett and flacko then I would with no flacko and Garrett give me zarius if I had zarius Smith and Alex and Alex Wright on the end and I didn’t have mil gear and I

Still have Flo I trust that the Browns can still do everything do Browns the Browns would still have a lot of talent on defense obviously would hurt them without miles Garrett but they would still have a lot of Talent on offense the offense is dead now without Joe

Flaco it’s dead they have no running game it wasn’t dead without him before but at least they could run the ball a little early in the season they can find a way to get that done again you know you know why they will get it done wait wait till

L you know why they’ll find a way to get it done because they know that only chance to davidu is David njoku Andi Cooper still balling out like this with PJ Walker no they a bunch of targets but are they balling out like this I don’t

Know what they I don’t know what their numbers was the joku was not Amari Cooper was the he was Amari Cooper throw to CH the Browns could be averaging negative-3 yards per carry and and Leroy would still say run the ball he you know that is not true that is 100% True by

The way who would have guessed you know dwan Jones being out has made a big deal on the in terms of the running game I mean which is funny because at beginning of the year grades weren’t good was terrible he was good in the past game but look even this

Week you know I’m sidebarr a little bit but this week the offensive line did a great job they do it turns to the pass block so how can I totally blame him in the running game well they didn’t have Will Anderson and they didn’t have the

Second best pass they got no Joe Flo did not get sacked that’s what I’m saying when you don’t have Will Anderson should have been able to run the ball Jerome Fort run sideways after wait a minute did the Texas rank six in the run defense now don’t that don’t

Mean nothing yeah but they were me without their two best defensive linemen I know they tackles yeah the tackles make the difference speak of which Anthony wasn’t too crazy remember the first uh fence Rider question he had Browns was like 50 yards yeah we ran for

54 yards as a team that’s true he wasn’t too crazy with that go ahead Mike I have the poll result from this by the way and this has been I don’t always follow the chat but there’s no miles versus flacko comparison graphic so I I was kind of

Keep an eye on this very very very entertaining chat on this tiis the reaction to touchdowns don’t matter that was epic not that’s not what I y’all took it out of cont all I heard was that’s not what I said all I heard was the only thing Flo knew better than

Phillip and I lost it he lost me soon as you saot you sabotage yourself cuz your overall ARG set it up was like your overall argument was a solid argument but that was so crazy they took it out of context it said was the I said the biggest difference I didn’t say it

Didn’t matter I didn’t say it didn’t matter I said if that was the difference matters more goad the biggest difference between the Panthers and the Browns or the wins yeah that’s it that’s the only difference they that’s all we heard like wait a minute you sabotage we put it in

The chat and this when the chat is even on something or pretty close to even I I think it’s a fun topic I I enjoyed listening to this yeah 55 flacko 45 Garrett yeah over 500 votes 45 it’s 45% of people that that understand what I’m

Saying it should be y y’all sick for just taking what I said and taking it out of context because that’s not what I said you did it to yourself all I said was the biggest difference between your argument was very solid you had a very

Solid argument I agree with a lot of I should have said that last but you blew it with the first one you blew it with that first one no next time oh man all right Mikey what do we got we not you still learn if you guys missed the

Postgame show go back and check it out it was uh it was a lot of with G Bush myself and Earl and whenever the Browns don’t have to put us through cardiac arrest in the final two minutes and we can an absolute butt whooping it’s been

Very few and far between this year it is a lot of fun and G Bush who’s not here today hopefully he’s back tomorrow if you want to hear G’s immediate take to the game you go back and listen on the postgame instant reaction show on the YouTube channel we got a little update

For you guys actually since the show has started the Browns have signed a punter they signed Matt Hawk not Miz I thought he was going to say why is that guy not getting a chance now I don’t know but they too many PR behind that completely Vindicated still

Going to be PR behind that OJ was Vindicated too people are afraid of public perception right you could be vated be all of that but that that that negative public perception people just don’t want to deal with especially right now this don’t want that so they’ve signed Riley Patterson Riley Patterson the kicker

Matt Hawk it’s h a a k where did he come from Hawk H uh he was last on the Jets practice squad no no no I take that back I’m not really worried about the punter I I have no idea where he’s from I’ll look it up it literally happened two

Minutes ago the kicker is the guy you need what do you think about Riley Patterson so Riley Patterson the guy who was with the LI he was the Lions kicker for most of the year he had been doing well and then I think he had a really

Terrible game either last week or the week before I don’t know what happened to this guy and they just cut him after he’d been really good for them Mike what what was his last game he played for Detroit Riley P I’m P up his game log right now because it certainly doesn’t

Make sense I think it was the Jaguars right he’s on the season he’s 15 for 17 and 35 for 37 from extra points so it’s not like he has a ton of Miss they don’t kick a lot of field goals because they go for it on fourth down I think more

Than any other team the Lions the last game yeah what’s his last game Tech played I guys I I I don’t have a great answer for it he was two for two and three for three on extra points and he missed an extra point against Chicago he

Was one for two against Chicago and they cut him after that one for two on extra points z00 field goals one for two on extra point mik what is he 87.3% for the season on the season yeah what’s his did he kick it how many 50-yard field goal

Attempts does he have list this season he is 1 for two on 50 yarders all we need so they don’t trust him I think that’s it they don’t trust him to kick a 50 yard in his career Ty real quick in his career just like Dustin Hopkins was

50% he’s three for six in his career on 50 yard field yeah he hasn’t been around that long he’s pretty young isn’t he third year we just need him for two games well that we don’t know what Dustin Hopkins situation is we hope but at least it’s a guy who’s been kicking

In the League this year have we gotten any update on Hopkins yet no and stefansky is not uh players are speaking first before stefansky so as soon as tansky tells us what happened I I’ll TR when is he expected to speak is it before 1 or no yeah today uh it’s

Supposed to be 12:30 guys this a pretty big deal I mean huge Dustin Hopkins has been great oh it’s it’s one CL sorry okay Dustin Hopkins has been great uh if they don’t have him for the playoffs I’m not feel I don’t like that oh wow you got [Applause]

Joe oh it’s different now so you like you’re okay with Hopkins being out I mean according to him just you got mil you could try to out do it all philli you know only difference between Hopkins and Phillies I mean maybe I can play quarterback the only difference between

Hopkins and Phillips is what me y’all are sick today you know y’all need to be checked after I sick anyways it’s it a it’s yeah it’s a big deal I mean so many games came down to a field goal that PJ Walker definitely put them in position

To win just going to throw that out there um so yeah you need you hope that Dustin Hopkins could come back but this guy he seems like he can get the job done I mean he his stuff is similar to what what uh Dustin Hopkins was and I

Got to you got trust that Bubba V Tron which boy you better fix that that kickoff team I can’t believe you gave up that too here’s what has me concerned if if he’s just kicking for the rest of the regular season fine that’s what I’m hoping but Mike he’s only played in

Detroit correct yep so Riley Patterson he started his career with Detroit who was play he played warm weather Jacksonville and he played indor Detroit act like they don’t travel to games he went to college at Memphis too if that makes any difference he has he he’s

Never kicked here has he uh no he never kicked in Cleveland this is the hardest stadium in the country to kick in what year is he what what year is this for him his third year can I add on to what you just said yeah go not only that the

Browns is on Prime Time National TV this Thursday with an opportunity to clinch and it’s supposed to be cold 60° today today it’s supposed to be crappy but Thursday it’s gonna be cold and windy I just don’t I it’s the unknown it’s the unknown man we going to find out well

You better you whacko for Joe Flo better it better not come down I told mik speaking of wacko for flacko we are two games away from a bunch of us I said I would give 50 memberships did you say that yeah Mike said he would give 50

Memberships yeah yeah uh I don’t think bull agreed to that I I’ll give memberships too uh by the way it’s not supposed to be terrible Thursday night as of now over cached but no rain low near 40 and not not heavy winds I don’t care about the rest of the regular

Season but I think we’d all agree in the playoffs you want Dustin Hopkins this guy might be good I’m about to say we don’t know he he if he so let me but Hopkins we know wait a minute let me ask you this he he makes every field goal

From now to the end of the regular I feel more confident sure all right well he it’s showtime I still no matter what he does even if he’s perfect I’d still rather have Hopkins based on how Hopkins kicker TI bro are Kicker let me ask y’all this question cuz I don’t know the

Answer so you know how Dustin Hopkins was like five points away from Jim Brown’s record if he kicks him in the postseason does that still count no no so he don’t get it no no I think does anybody care about those records I do yes hey I could go around

Telling my kids I broke Jim Brown record about to say that’s something that’s something that five points away by the way it reminds me of an apology I wanted to make because uh on yesterday’s show somebody broke brought up the Browns championships pre Super Bowl and I was

Like who cares and I often say that cuz to me there’s a clear line of delineation in all sports of of when the comparison of the Championships is different and for the NFL it’s it’s the Super Bowl the league was different when the Browns won championships pre Super Bowl they were

Competing against a lot less teams it was a totally different world but I think when I say that it it can come off a little harsh and dismissive of the players who played in that time and what they accomplished and I know autog grams family still lives in

The area and I just wanted to make it clear that I don’t mean to diminish how great a player autog Graham was and what he accomplished for the city and at the time was a great player and won championships and deserves all credit I just think it’s a I can’t compare it to

The Super Bowl era that’s all I’m saying it’s not I I but I I came off harsh and I don’t want to diminish uh what you know autogram and those teams did so I just wanted to I take put that i’ take them teams now good championships we

Could we could use Auto gram if Joe Flo gets her we could have used him Auto Graham is a Swiss Army he did everything he did everything yeah go ahead did a little research on Matt Hawk the guy they just signed yeah he was the Colts punter last

Year with Bubba oh and it’s been in the Cardinals practice squad that’s the tie all right listen I I’m less worried about the butter I know uh borquez has been good but I don’t know I just feel like there’s more pressure being a kicker well yes yes the

Only I mean you you’re going to appreciate Cory borcas because he did a really good job of flipping the field when you and when you go against teams that’s like really good offensively that matters to be able to flip the field pin them inside their 20 or 10 that matters

A lot but when you look at the rest of the schedule you know the Jets struggle offensively and what’s our last cinnati that could be a problem there but we ain’t going to I just know bad job by of me I remember when we first got got

Dustin Hopkins and I think we was doing behind the glass and it was like maybe week two or week three of him being here and he didn’t hit all these 50 yard field goals and I was kind of dismissive to what he was doing I kind of wrote it

Off like yeah he a kicker kicker’s kick kicker supposed to make kicks why we making a big deal out of it you never really know what you got until you don’t have it no more right because as soon as that happened Sunday I was like damn I

Want my Kicker back yeah I need my kick he really he it don’t count I need my kick man nope that’s messed up miles Garrett got a sack on a two-point conversion that didn’t even count as a sack yeah I know about that which is all

These weird rules I had a pick against the team of North and on a two-point Conversion that’s ridiculous because it’s special teams technically or whatever uh we got Leroy coming at 12 right yeah I should be here any any minute soon as he is we will bring him on but I do have one more question about the kicking situation real quick not as

Worried and tyus you might be the best person to ask but a hamstring injury on the plant leg versus the kick leg obviously not ideal but if we find out it’s the plant leg and not the kicking leg do you think that changes the recovery time or is the plant leg in the

Situation of a field goal kicker equally as important and equally as finicky and needs just time to heal as the kicking leg would uh no I think if it’s the kicking leg I think obviously you that’s a nogo at all but the plant leg I mean

That’s very important I mean you see a lot of guys really working on this making sure that they’re straighten all of that but I think you could still be able to kick I think it might on the follow through maybe that probably be where I think it they’ll mess him up the

Most but I think Dustin Hopkins will be I I I I don’t think he’s gonna be out that long I really don’t the Browns might be in a situation where they have to keep a second kicker on the active roster in the playoffs because you can’t afford if if Dustin Hopkins is dealing

With a hamstring injury and he tweaks it in the playoff game you can’t afford not to have a guy who can kick now maybe this Matt Hawk whatever his name name is maybe he can know borquez couldn’t kick for whatever reason maybe this Matt Hulk is maybe the part of the reason they’re

Considering him is because he can also kick in an emergency wait a minute let me cuz I it’s been it’s been a while so okay so you know how you got your 53 and you got your practice squad yeah when you elevate somebody from the practice

Squad right that means you got to sit somebody on your original 46 48 whatever it is right so that me one less player have to sit but you could keep this guy on practice squad just to elevate him for the game yeah so in theory you can

Elevate a kicker for the game right and just sit like the four string linebacker for the game right he’d be inactive for the game yes okay that’s probably how he might have to do that Hopkins is back cuz cuz I ain’t signing them to the 53 I

Ain’t that right you don’t need to right but uh yeah I mean it’s going to be interesting to see how they handle it let me ask you the guys this question this real quick before we bring Leroy in when he comes in we’ll have a longer conversation about this at some point

Either later this week or maybe early next week odds are the Browns are going to be the five seat uh the only way they could fall below that is if they lose multiple games because even if they finish tied with Buffalo who’s the only team within a game of them they would

Have the tiebreaker for a higher seed okay you know five versus six so the all realistically the Browns are going to be the five seed unless they win out and the Ravens lose out and would think after what we saw from the Ravens yesterday it’s unlikely they’re going to

You never know but I’d say I think the Browns are like it’s 85% that they’re going to be the five seed MH it seems like almost a sure thing now which means they’re going to play at the four seed the four seed is likely to be AFC the

AFC South champ however the way the Chiefs are playing right now who knows maybe the Chiefs that would be a although Jacksonville’s playing lousy too and you know who knows but but let’s say it’s the AFC South team right now who would who would you want

The Browns to play the Colts the Texans the Jags Jags I want to play the Jags Texans I has CJ stra back right yeah I mean CJ st’s been out two weeks with the concussion the Jags you assume he’d be back probably the J Trevor Lawrence is dealing with an injury and

They’re not playing well they can’t figure it out without the Colts have the worst quarterback but you know I would go I would it would be Jags Colts Texans it’s Jags Texans coach I don’t want no more Gardner muu I don’t want no more G me Texans are definitely The Last Choice

Yeah I’m not going they’re not the same team with CJ Str as they with Case Keenum um I would actually rather play the Colts Jags oh you rather the Colts open yeah I think the I know the Jags are not playing well right now but I bet

They right I my gut tells me they’ll WR you know why you I’m I’mma flip your argument you know why you would you want the Jags why because we don’t run the ball well and they have one of the worst pass defenses in the NFL no that was not

Why no I’m tell that’s why you want the Jags that’s why you want the Browns to play the Jags I said the Cults no I’m telling you right now you want the Browns to play the Jags I’m your answer is wrong I’m telling you why you’re

Wrong I got you I got you go ahead let’s bringing Leroy hord here our resident running back and today Leroy has brought To Us by FanDuel Sportsbook as the weather gets colder the NFL offers stay red hot on FanDuel and right now new customers get $150 in bonus Bets with

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Team hey you know why I ain’t gonna never be upset about that CU they’re winning they scored 36 damn points that’s right okay with that defense 36 points and win you a Super Bowl that’s damn right we were just talking go ahead so it it’s not that but but here’s and I

Always make it a point to say this okay you’re looking at the amount of yards even with all those passing yards they had 30 carries so if you can still be not necessarily onedimensional even though you’re having success doing one over the other but still be able to run the ball that means

You’re controlling the defense and so that’s where I I kind of lean towards that am I upset they’re having success throwing the football no the only only time I get upset is when they have 15 to 20 carries averaging five or six yards a carry and then they try to throw it

That’s fair but if it’s like this yeah so that means that anytime it was like a third and two or something like that and they needed to run the football they were able to do it that’s dominating a defense you run it when you want to or when you need

To and all the other stuff is just a successful offense work because I got to tell you like I don’t know what the hell defense they was playing on the other side can somebody cover Amari Cooper because here’s the kicker Ty if you preparing for Amari Cooper what is the

One thing you gonna say he ain’t gonna run away from you yeah right yeah 11 catches for 265 a guy that can’t run away from you 241 on the average at that yeah the funny part is he not a Blazer even when he caught when he caught the

Bomb the dude still almost caught him at the end number five still almost walked him so he not fast but but that’s that’s the thing and we like I said we had this before we don’t give these guys enough credit and I said when they signed Amari

Cooper he might have been one of the best things ever happened because he is the epitome of playing that position well as far as running routes being where you need to be in catching the damn ball and and we saw this with Anquan Balman who would always be in

Double coverage and catch the ball and we say oh he’s not a burn and we can’t pay it right this guy is good at what he does I don’t care who’s covering him and it’s amazing to watch because Ty I’m watching it too and going how in the

Hell is he this wide open and can’t run away from nobody techn lero you want to hear a crazy stat about Amari Cooper away from people was that this season according to nextg stats from the NFL he is second in the NFL on go routes on yards gained on

Go routes behind Tyreek Hill you know why cause I’m G tell you why because they sitting on everything yeah you like you know during the course of the year I’d send this this tweet out all the time if y’all don’t pressure the back end of that defense they are squatting

On everything and going get picked and it happened two games ago with with uh with with Joe right they was sitting on everything he was throwing it in the crowd then they open it up a little bit like you don’t have to have a burner to

Stretch the field but use one of them fast guys who can’t catch they gonna cover him oh yeah Mar well Maris can catch but that’s that was thing you know what I’m saying that’s the thing that the reason I was glad that they put this on tape because now but moving forward

Now DB is like oh he can get he can go deep for sure but Amari Cooper is special because Amari Cooper does that thing where he comes out he makes every route look the same so you really can’t you never know what it was so if I was

Playing Amari Cooper my thing is I’m G come out in the game before last week was he ain’t going to go deep you know he might run the bang or something like that but it ain’t nothing deep so I don’t have to worry about getting on my

Horse and I was glad that they put it out there like no he can still beat you deep and that’s why they was that’s why he was so effective in this game I was that they didn’t start doubling this man I like what is going on but but Ty I’m G

Tell you this as a as a guy who played in the slot a lot and and and got doubled I only ran the rout against one dude you see what I’m saying like but defenses think they doubling the guy and the only way you could really double a

Guy is if you know the route he running so if he run a go route then you could do something short and deep right m but if he running something like a slant or he running something like like a a bang eight or something like that right it’s

Hard to double in because y’all stacked and so it it don’t matter to me if they doubling right it it it like there’s certain situations where you gonna get got right where they gonna be in the right position but for the most part you just run your Rod off of your

One guy the other guy just going to get in the way well yeah lero I mean you think about the last couple of weeks what has been Joe flos and the Cooper’s favorite route the bang a they run that he runs that post that little skinny

Post as soon as he come out of his break he throw it to so even if that deep guy sitting on it he catch it before he can get down there and what what they were doing was they were like okay we know that’s his favorite route we know Amari

Cooper’s his number one target let’s just give him an inside piece let’s make that safety play inside to take that away on it he went straight up yeah he went deeper and that’s why he got beat that’s that first play instead of running a bang G he ran an actual post and got

That’s what right but but that’s that and that’s the the ENT flow of a football game right so what I’m more impressed with is how these two guys this quick have been on the same page so well this quick right like that that’s amazing that’s that’s you know these

Things you discuss in the offseason during camp Hey if he do this you know I want you to to to kind of just make it a post instead of a bang eight right like these are things you talk how they picking this up so quickly and how these

Two guys and and there’s something to be said about two veteran guys because you know it’s one of those things where you know I used to have this with Bernie he a have to he just turn around and look I got you right he probably give him more

Of that look okay you see that safety there we just gonna skinny it up right like it it’s amazing to watch and it’s also if if if you a Texan you can’t tell me that somebody wasn’t frustrated on them Sidelines going 265 yards right 11 catches anybody gonna cover

Him so it it was impressive to watch but what made this game that much more impressive that we’ve been watching the Browns all year and one of the things that have plagued them and one of the things why Joe has had to be so great in the fourth quarter is because they

Lazily go into these games um they haven’t jumped on anybody so the fact that they got after it right away uh was was one of the most impressive things is that this was the first time where the Browns start to finish pretty much dominated Leroy you know when uh Nick

Tub went down a lot of people felt like the Browns running game would be okay that you know Jerome Ford uh would show what he can do and that he would show that he was the future runner back of this organization I think dude has been like very like

I haven’t been impressed by him when are we going to start seeing more Pier strong when he gets more patient right see it’s one thing to have speed it’s one thing to have explosiveness but you got to learn how to use that on a football field the

Thing about Nick chub is Nick chub runs the ball in little burst right you you you see him and he’s kind of booming in a burst right that that’s what makes chub special and then he has that acceleration to go right jome Ford has that not to the level of Nick chub but

He possesses a skill set that a lot of running backs don’t have and that’s that topend speed but if you don’t use it right you can’t tell so if he just run up in the line of scrimmage real fast without you know being patient reading blocks and anticipating stuff like that

It looks like he’s just his skill set is the same as any other back who can’t play right we know he possesses this skill we know he possesses this speed but it’s how he uses it and how he’s patient when using it that’s the thing

He has to learn how to pick up on and I’mma tell you when I learned I learned when I couldn’t run so damn fast cuz then I had to figure out another way to play football and and that’s usually what happens I was going to ask you like is

That something that comes over the course of your career you know you talked about this last week when you was on the show and the first person I thought about was Le’Veon Bell how patient Le’Veon Bell used to run the football and I see him become more

Patient the further his career got on so do you think that’s going to happen when you’re on Fort you start learning blocking schemes you start you start learning and then you lose a little bit of your skill set okay I I tell people running back is like a roller coaster

People don’t realize that when you take that initial drop on those old school roller coasters that is the fastest you go right the turns get tighter so it gives the appearance that you’re going faster but you’re not really going faster when you play running back as your skill set diminishes you become

Better at all the other parts of it whether it’s reading defens is anticipating blocks you know being able to look at the flow of a defense whether it’s with the cut back or stuff like that and you become more patient because you realize I got one burst here right

I’m not going to outrun these guys and you start using all these tools together and you become more of a natural Runner and and I think that’s what happens I mean Le’Veon Bell when he first got into the league he he just get it and go

Because he was a big boy you couldn’t bring him down as he start getting banged up you notice he start getting patient almost like stopping yeah right yeah and just letting things play out a little bit so he could use that acceleration so I think that’s one of

The things that young guys have to learn and in fact you see this more than anything a guy come into the league as a burner and he lights it up and then five years from now he playing on three different teams that can’t play is because he never had to learn the true

Skill of playing the position he never had to learn okay let me give my left guard a chance to set this up a little bit let me give give my tackle and my guard a chance to get up on that second level because you always had the the the

Ability to just be out over athletic and and out athletic everybody out aete everybody when that goes away you have to find other ways to be successful and that’s for everybody in NFL you ain’t the same player when you 30 as you were when you were

23 you’re just not but how can can guys play that long how can guys receivers become better route Runners right better at reading defenses so that means that fast guy running across the middle as he gets older he realizes okay it’s Zone let me sit you know and and it this is

With every position offensive lineman defensive lineman it happens with everybody you know you you gonna see it with Michael Parsons Michael Parsons he’s just out athle and everybody on the outside of the uhi scrims as as as his career moves on he gonna be better with

His hands he gonna be better with the spin moves he gonna be a a a better tactician at that position and so I know Jerome Ford is an excellent Runner right but I need him to learn the craft of playing running back and he’ll make the offensive line look better he’ll look

Better just with a little little bit of patience because he can be more patient than most because his explosiveness and his burst might be a little greater than some of the other guys he might have a quicker burst than Nick chub but he don’t look like a better running back

Than Nick chub because Nick chub knows when to use it not even close hey Leroy right one guy who’s really developed this year and taken his game to I hate to use the cliche but I will another level that’s David nooku uh he might have he might get 900 yard this year

Which would you know for a tight end I’ve already said he going to make his first Pro Bowl yeah he’s going to make the Pro Bowl he’s got a career-high six touchdowns a career-high 750 yards what are you seeing in his game what has taken him from kind of a decent tight

End to a very good tight end this year quarterback it’s just the quarterback huh it it has a lot it has a lot to do with that um that some quarterbacks really like using the tight endend and basically you you’ve empowered him to be a better player he knows that he’s an

Integral part of the offense so how he goes about what he does is different than it’s been all year because he know he gonna get the rock right that’s and when he catches it who gonna stop him yeah he’s tough right so so it’s something to be on that

Feeling go I’m a bad man right it’s amazing and he looks confident out there he does right so so a lot of it has to do with with quarterback a lot of it has to do with now you’ve been put in a position where the team is counting on

You to make big plays right and it feels good it feels good to be that guy on the football field that you’re not just a player your team is relying on you to have success and I think he’s that’s what’s taking him to that next level is now

There’s some expectations with how you going to play you know now you ain’t going to be running around that secondary a whole game and have two catches ler Roy great point we it it was a big uh topic debate today yeah and I just need to know where you stand I

Think the question was something about what’s the is it who’s more important the question is you can tell yeah you got who would be a bigger loss okay as crazy as this question would have been before the season it’s a legitimate question now who would be a bigger loss

In terms of the Browns chances of winning a Super Bowl this year Joe flacko or miles Garrett miles Garrett okay you know why oh you know why boy because tell him tell I can drop miles Garrett off by helicopter and he could dominate a game

Joe Flo still got to depend on five six other guys I I I get what you’re saying Leroy but Earl and I our argument was you can give me whatever argument you want thank you thank you well hey we won’t tell you why you screwed up your

Argument I’m a offensive guy yeah I’m an offensive guy and it took me about 1.2 seconds to to think that one out but guess what wait this way good how many quarterbacks have they played with this year Leroy four four they play with they play with one Leroy

Leroy a second this Beau moment where get in Ohio State on the same side what oh hell yeah lero you think they could win a Super Bowl with PJ Walker or DTR right now with no running game way that defense is playing right now yes thank you

Leroy man is this man is smart the final score might be seven to three but I thank you thank you Leroy I appreciate it Leroy Leroy what you’re missing what you’re missing Leroy is in tas’s argument no say it how I said [Applause] it so let me get this straight what I’m

Starting to hear right now is maybe I didn’t get the whole time’s argument exactly what happened exactly no no no you said it’s exactly what I said what I this is what he said you got it you got this what he said say how I said it he

Made his argument he had a lot of facts for his argument for Miles Garrett but then he came out and said the only difference or between Phillip and Flaco was the touchdowns like he said it to that was nothing like it was nothing like Philip like philli whatever Walker can just

Walk in there you got to be calling this man Philip like he could just walk in there and do what Flaco was doing can we can here let let me say this there is nobody including Deshawn that has shown they could do what flacko is doing because none of

Them have gone down the field as accurately as Joe Flaco so before we even go there what we are witnessing from this to something we haven’t seen with the Browns all year that’s right that’s why I look crazy that’s a fact yeah that being said here’s the thing that comes with Joe Flo

Turnovers and I ain’t and this game don’t even count because there was like end of the half or something he just chucked it up so I’m not even kind but he’s he’s got 10 touchdowns and seven interceptions and I tell people this if you ain’t watching them games

Those numbers don’t do it justice that’s true if you don’t see what that man is doing you ain’t seeing the whole picture that being said this right here that last stat right there that’s going to be the end of the Browns can’t be minus seven and then and

Then go to the elite and play against the elite teams right that’s a fact that that that that has nothing you know that is a football fact you can’t be minus 7 okay now one of the things that the other guys did that Joe flacko just don’t

Care okay they wern’t taking a whole bunch of chances so the offense looked stagnant because they wasn’t slinging it around like Joe flacko if they had the confidence to do it I think they have the skill set to sling it down the field I don’t know if they going to be as good

As Joe Flaco but Joe Flo came in and said hey I got a new life I’m throwing it right right he did and and and good or bad this might be the first quarterback in the history of quarterbacks that we go wow seven touchdowns and five picks all right

Whatever right you you know you know you know what I’m saying right yep you you understand that yeah whatever all right we got it you see and that’s that’s the thing that that makes it your offense is going to be different you’re not going to score 36 points

Right but at the same time I don’t know if you have the seven interceptions because they ain’t taking those chances yeah but PJ Walker had all those interceptions he did without the touchdown without the touchdown and that wait and that’s why they went got Joe ass that’s right that’s right so like

Like let’s like but but and and I’m going say this we could say what we want about Kevin stefansky if he don’t get some serious consideration for coach of the year yeah then they ain’t been paying attention because he’ done been through four quarterbacks four different game plans for each of those

Quarterbacks and they are still in playoffs man that’s phenomenal coaching when you say you put your team in the best position to win I know if we’ve criticized him I have too about not running football or you know making some decisions that I maybe question I can’t

Question it I can’t the guy knows what he’s doing and so from that standpoint to see the success they’re having now we had this conversation a few weeks ago that one of the reasons why he’s probably having more success right now is because you eliminated a skill set from the

Quarterback right right ain’t no more rpos Joe ain’t running so your offense is a little different but maybe it fits Kevin stans’s game plan a little bit better you see what I mean yep so yeah no but but yeah uh to your point bull yeah you

Are 100% wrong my brother about what uh it is it is Miles Garrett thank you thank you lero you guess what Fant what today we’ve had four quarterbacks we’ve had one miles gear I said the same boy you sound just like this dude I know just like this dude I

Know I got I gotta be careful because I don’t know if I trust that you said the same thing because wait a minute did I not say this he did say say he did he did say it I mean what you said the other thing you

Said was crazy but it it’s coming him saying it as a defensive guy all right you know you got to kind of grade it accordingly yeah me saying it as a offensive guy but me but but what I’m saying is me saying it as a offensive

Guy and I’m just going right to the defensive guy yeah that’s that’s no yeah but but I would in the end I would argue Leroy that take out the sh because he’s not playing he’s not an option okay PJ Walker and DTR first of all we just got a text from Jason who

Said dtrs on crutches in the locker room yeah everyone tweeted to what’s that from what he got hurt in the Chicago game and it got re-aggravated I know the guy weighs like 112 pounds Leroy no but I mean I’m like we he play Joe Flo and then the other guy got hurt

Well but he DTR played like three four plays in this game I don’t know they must taken a hit or something but like TJ Walker is maybe the worst quarterback in football that’s if they had a decent backup at this point then I’d agree with you guys on Miles Garrett but I don’t

Think they do can I can I just say this yeah here’s what makes what Kevin stefansky doing so awesome yeah in most cases you are in trouble if you have to use your backup quarterback that’s 100% true and so for us to sit here and question the quality of the

Backup quarterback is crazy in itself that’s true that’s all fair you see what I’m saying so I agree it’s like soon as your starting quarterback get hurt it’s like when Chad Henny came into the game a couple of years ago and led them on a drive to win the game I’m like boy

Everybody make thank you thank you cuz cuz I know when they sit him in the game they go well he a know Patrick Mahomes nope right so so like let’s every like there’s teams all over the league saying we should have got a better backup quarterback and what you

Spend your money on guys on the field yeah that’s true that’s where the money gota go Leroy last thing real quick what’s the deal with Jaylen Wadd how big a deal if he can’t go um if he can’t go but Tyreek can uh you still good you just need one

Of the there’s so much speed on that team right um they don’t do it as well but keep in mind Jay wano’s Robin yeah Batman is Tyreek Hill so you can find another Robin I mean even Batman use catw women every now and then right Robbie chosen but guess what but

Guess what Batman was always there that’s true so as long as Tyreek playing right they should be okay now I will say this one of the things that the Dolphins have done they’re real cautious with injuries right they’re thinking big picture so they have so much speed on

That team that there’s other guys that can come in and kind of fill that role of number two uh more importantly you remember jayen W had to be number one when Tyreek was out yep so so if he don’t have to be number one and Tyreek

Is playing I think they they can they can be okay even though you know they might be able to roll some additional coverages over towards Tyreek but they still got a lot of speed out there I me I’ve never seen speed that much speed at the skill

Positions I mean they got two wide receivers and two running backs they can run a four by one Leroy and that’s not exaggerated they sleeping on that wide receiver y’all got down there Cedric Wilson that used to play for the uh for the Cowboys they sleeping on that dude

They sleep on he’s a he’s a but look he’s he’s the biggest wide receiver they got other than you know they got Chase claybo yeah who ain’t touched the field he’s a right I I don’t know man like I just think I mean I’mma just look I’mma put

On my coaching half for a second and they get down to the five yard line and throw a fade to Tyreek Hill and you got Chase Claypool yeah like hey throw it up to him that’s what he here for you know so but again it’s another situation when

You watch that offense go and you watch some of the things they do they have struggled in the Red Zone for that reason either they give up on the run or they have all these ants running routes near the end zone you need a big boy you

Know everybody got that big boy that just oh we can throw it up to him and he’ll go get it and I’m just wondering you know Chase clayoo is not a break in case of emergency you gotta break it and see what we got because you know you

Don’t know what he’s going to be Leroy great stuff man merry Christmas happy New Year we’ll talk to you next week happy New Year happy we’re talk to you next week hopefully after another Victory and man this has been fun this has been fun damn thanks Leroy thanks

Leroy all righty we’ll see you later couple injury updates for you guys before we get into our next topic but Kevin stefans is speaking with the media DTR is headed to the IR so his season at least in the regular season is over PJ Walker Phillip as tyus likes to call him

Has been elevated to the active roster Dustin Hopkins also ruled out for Thursday so he will not kick already nowh on the punter situation but Hopkins is listed as weak to week with a hamstring stefansky did not at least what I’ve seen so far did not clarify if

It’s his kicking leg Endor his plant leg but he’s officially ruled out for Thursday and DTR is headed to the injured reserve list another guy that heads to the IR did K stansky say anything about the brown signing another quarterback uh no just Walker has been elevated so I’m following on Twitter so

I’m following Mary Kay tweets out and we need another QB bro if he out yeah we got add somebody but it does listen that’s even more imperative keep black all the and by the way if the Browns win Thursday man and if the Ravens beat the Dolphins then the Browns are are locked

Into the Five Spot and they will not play Flaco against the Bengals in that in that case I can’t imagine let’s save that conversation till they beat the Jets and then we could figure out cuz it’s r vers rest to the maximum yeah is it really going to

Be rust he was sitting for a year he came out and played great but you want to slow down the unbelievable momentum have point I’d sit him for the last week that’s a discussion we’ll have one we are going to have right now involves Amari Cooper milett too on Amari

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Much much more so visit fanduel.com ucss to kickoff the NFL season FanDuel an official partner of the NFL on the postgame show Earl said he thought Amari Cooper was a top 10 receiver I think he’s in the conversation for top 10 bull we mentioned it on the Monday show that

You think he’s properly rated so I’ll ask it this way and then we could dive into an official top 10 list at the end if we want to but Amari Cooper underrated overrated or properly rated I think in the end these questions are always no offense mik because we do them

All the time and I I just think it’s a stupid question because you could always go well well this one guy disrespects my guy so I say he’s underrated how do you really know how everybody you know what’s so should we ask it is he top 10

Do you want to do it that way I I think the I think Amari Cooper is in the bottom I think this year he’s kind of moved maybe back into the bottom end of the top 10 he’s not he’s not in the super Elite category he’s not in the

Conversation with with Jefferson and Chase and Tyreek Hill and AJ Brown uh who am I forgetting in the super Elite category anybody six in yard Tyreek Hill CD lamb yeah super Elite Jefferson Chase I think Adams is out a super Elite digs Adams could be I mean it just

Depends on what me and Earl made a whole list this morning we can I think I think Chase Jefferson Hill they’re the three best receivers in football anybody debating that or is AJ Brown in that conversation Chase Jefferson heill I think they’re the three I think that’s

The top three to me oh yeah no I think AJ Brown is four does anybody disagree with that nope I struggle with this because like me and Mike struggled with this earlier yeah like are we talking top 10 for this season are we talking top top 10 over

The last five years like because when we did this earlier yeah I had Amari as a top 10 wide receiver for 2023 and I got him as a top 10 wide receiver over the last five years span of his career I I I’m just thinking in general like if I’m

Ranking receivers right you know yeah I mean the current year is going to play a role into it certainly but I I just it’s more like whether you have aari Cooper six or eight or 10 or 12 or 14 whatever wherever you want to put them like I I

For me it doesn’t even matter it’s like there’s levels right there’s to me the super Elites are Jefferson Chase and Hill I I think they’re almost I think Adams was in that group but he’s not no longer and then probably the next and and or you can argue that maybe AJ brown

Maybe Stefan Diggs are in that group and then I think CD lamb and then I think Amari after those guys I think Amari is in the argument with anybody else is he with is he with like Aman R st Brown yeah I think he’s right there with Evans

And Mike Evans is is he leading NFL and receiving touchdown he is with 13 that is crazy hey was Baker his quarterback at school who Mike Evans no it Johnny okay I know uh I know Mark Andrews and Baker was on the same team right at Oklahoma yeah I think

So I had the color scheme messed up that’s why I could you know no I think that Amari Cooper is properly rated I I I think any football person knows how good Amari Cooper is he’s not as flashy as some of the other guys cuz he’s not as

Fast as a lot of the other top I mean well everybody when you think of Amari Cooper the number one thing that I don’t care who you are whatever DB I don’t care if you’re the best DB the worst DB when you see that week you look at your

Sheet and you say I got aari Cooper the number one thing you goingon to think to yourself is that boy is a route machine his his routes is crispy probably the best route running I’m going to go against that’s where you at I I maybe there’s some casual fans that don’t that

Maybe underrate him a little bit I don’t think by smart football fans he’s underrated at all no I think when you look at the the top receivers in football he’s probably the only one that is not doesn’t have either Elite Speed or Elite size all the other great

Receivers have one of those two thingsam Justin Jefferson doesn’t he doesn’t have Elite Speed I don’t think so I don’t think so either I think he ran like a four five don’t think okay maybe wrong how how big is Jefferson compared to Cooper a lot y to both listen to this

Cecil right me and C had this conversation and we were talking about speed he ran 44 never mind yeah what what did cooper run uh 44 we was talking about speed versus route running and he was saying we was using uh we talking about 442 actually one second uh he we

442 Justin Jefferson was 443 Jefferson seems faster to me on the field this I he runs good rout when you look at these wide receivers that’s run running Assassins right it makes them almost faster than what they really is and I can think about Tedd G right oh he just

Fast right remember when he got to the league he was just fast and he couldn’t really get open but towards the later of like back end of his career he became a better route Runner and all of a sudden t g is putting up numbers at the wide

Receiver position right and so like I think like the speed kind of gets overrated sometimes because there’s a lot of fast dudes who can’t run rout well it’s not but when you’re talking about the guys in this top category not over I think that when this conversation

Is had I think that’s the reason why he kind of gets left out even let’s say if he’s let’s say’s left out of what conversation because I think he’s top 10 let’s say8 to 10 right but nobody’s leaving him out of a top 10 conversation when you talk about right but when you

Talk about the Casual fans who don’t know better I think it’s because he’s not a burner right or he’s not the flashiest dude but the fact that he runs routes so well and has great hands for the most part I think this dude is a top

10 wide receiver like I said I could be wrong but in 2023 I think he’s having a top 10 season and if I had to rank it over the last 5 years I think he’s a top 10 in that category too that’s that’s just me he’s the back end I mean over

The last five years well now you’re putting guys like Cooper cup ahead of him you’re putting Devonte Adams ahead of him well me and Mike said I think I had DeAndre Hopkins number one I had Devonte Adams number two no DeAndre Hopkins is not number one if we was

Going over the last five years I would put Hopkins W he’s close to one he up there last five years there because with dard was he was really good well Jefferson’s been in the league for four years Jefferson’s way better than Hopkins the last four

Years je has been in the league for four years four years that already Chase has been in the league three years Tyreek Hill is way he ain’t better than Tyreek Hill over the last five years who Cooper no well Cooper yeah but not Hopkins hasn’t been better last five years

Either well he was with Arizona I mean five who cares about five years he been suspended and stuff two five Amari I think all agree Amari Cooper is whatever he’s somewhere between seven and 12 is that fair he’s in the top 10 that’s fair

He’s he’s a he’s a he’s a top he’s a he’s not again and nobody’s arguing for him to be any is there any argument for him top five I don’t think so no and there’s no argument for him lower than 12 I guess what wherever that line you

Want to put it is so he’s there and I think most people think he’s there he’s been particularly great lately and as Leroy pointed out his chemistry with Joe flacko is fantastic yeah they definitely I mean because it’s but I thought his chemistry with a lot of people was good

Like I thought his with DeShawn was good I thought with PJ and DTR I feel like it wasn’t as great with DTR but for like PJ it’s like when you’re a younger guy it’s like I’mma go to him because yeah more times than not he gonna win his route I

Think the difference between Joe flacko and the rest of the quarterbacks not maybe not Des Shan but Joe Flaco and the other two DTR and PJ is that with with PJ it was get the ball out quick with DTR get the ball out quick like go through it go through one

Read let him get open hit him right there with everybody else it’s more deeper developing you know I can let things come out cuz I can see the whole field I can let go through my progressions I don’t have to have a set standpoint like I’m going to Amari

Cooper on this play like that’s not what Joe Flaco’s thinking right did did you hear what uh Omar said in the post game yesterday about him feeling like he can go for 300 yard he could he goes in thinking for 100 part but he was talking

About Joe and he was talking about you know it’s something there that we just mesh and he was talking about the film study and he said that he noted something from last week to this week how strong his arm was and how like okay if if Flaco was in that pocket he can

Really move around a little bit and you seen what he was talking about on that fourth down throw yeah you know Flo was kind of like eluding the rush kind of drop back I think he was falling away when he threw the ball and Amari said there little things like that that he’s

Starting to pick up on about Joe Flo that’s helping build the chemistry but overall like you know he’s been asked this question a lot and he’s just said himself man like it’s just something between us that mesh it just works I think uh last week I said that Nick chub

And or maybe I said it yesterday I don’t remember Nick chub and and Amari Cooper kind of similar type of guys did I say that yesterday show yeah I I think don’t talk yeah they’re like there’s there’s no have you ever listened to Amar Cooper talk he’s very uh

Philosophical right are you seeing Nick chub’s not philosophical I don’t feel like he not not to the I just mean the way they play there’s no flash to their game no they just go out there do the right thing all the time they don’t make stupid mistakes like they just and I

Think Flaco in a way he’s not in a way like Flaco’s a gunslinger no or at least he’s playing like one now I mean that’s he’s been that his but he’s also another guy like chub like Cooper who there’s no flash to his game it’s like he’s not

First down signaling he’s not and listen I’m not saying you want to do that stuff fine although I got to say I said it on our Tech by the way I was complaining about something in our text chat yesterday and either Mike or Jason said well don’t you you have anything else to

Complain about Jason Jason said it and you went off I put like 15 things to piss me off wait and I can read them yeah when was this I missed that okay so it was like 11:30 last night I was sleep hey why why he getting that together you

Know like did you watch The Run Berry run anybody seen runber no not yet I think said Barry for a second the person like the personality man Nick chub and and Barry Sanders like in personality is very similar like 100% I wonder who if that’s if I wonder who

Nick chub’s favorite running back of all time is that’s a good question I feel like I’ve asked him that before but I don’t remember because it’s been a while since I mean I mean it would or you if he said bar under pressure under pressure I can hear see him saying Jim

Brown because of the circumstances but outside of that like really who did you grow up watching listen if guys celebrate that’s fine whatever but I like when the guy just like this is what I do no I’m in the I’m flashy but you got to so this all started when I said I

Cannot stand now this new thing that the defensive teams do where every time there’s a turnover they have to run to the The End Zone to do the celebration it’s just do it you are why you going to run 70 yards W it’s a bunch of Reas it’s

A bigger cameras down cameras pictures most of the celebrations are lame anyway yeah but you got to think though a lot of these guys self Market too right this for the social media yeah the camera gu is in the end zone so you run to the end

Zone and you you get right in front of the camera and you get a nice picture that’s why yeah Bo read the list of the other things that pissed you off then I got something else all there’s one I can’t read because everyone but the one

Yes yeah yeah yeah all right so I said uh I can look at this what did I say here I said uh uh is is there anything worse than teams running 70 yards after a turnover just to celebrate in the end zone and I I said whatat is with this

Tyus but obviously you were sleeping seeing it I said just bleep and celebrate when you make the play I Then I said also Nick sani’s face pisses me off I see it now I can’t stand every time I see him I I want to punch

Him in the face it’s not nice but I’m telling you uh so so Jason Goes anything else you hate you want to get off your chest I said people that take up two spots in the parking lot both New York football teams should I say the next one

Don’t say it that don’t say it that’s me don’t say it annoying people on Twitter I’ll just say that there you go all right uh radio people that use fake voices news anchors that think they’re funny hate that uh girls that are showing off their boobs but roll their eyes at you when

You look because you’re not the guy they wanted to show them off to you know we’ve all experienced that right did resp did you see you know what I’m talking I see it which one are you laughing at I was sleep that sound personal yes Earl don’t tell me you’ve never had that

Experience of what of of like some girl is dressed sexy and you’re like looking at her and she get gives you that like I wor these for tyus not for you yeah it’s more so on social media like they address like that on social media if you drop the heart eyes they’

Be like oh my God you all always I mean I’m not touching if I’m touching that’s out of line I can look if you’re going to walk around listen if I walked around with my balls hanging out when you say people would have right to look there’s

A difference did you did you it’s a glance and then it’s a stare I don’t stare I I got I got some game I I I know how to lookus without staring like an animal but don’t give me a dirty look cuz I looked at your boobs when you’re

Walking around with your boobs hanging out I got it come on I got you guys out there you know what I’m talking about most most of you guys unless you’re unless you’re the top 5% of good-looking guys you know what I’m talking about uh and then I said every

Television show on ABC Fox CBS or NBC Mark Sanchez Donald Trump’s hair I said something else didn’t next which I won’t say people who claim they told me something nine months ago on Twitter about sports and claimed they were proven right like how would I know you

Told me N9 months ago uh when oh there’s another one when Football announcers call a rookie a young rookie they do that all the time wouldn’t the Assumption be that if he’s a rookie he’s young right wouldn’t you just assume that you unless branded say brand branded but what happened when Brandon

Weed was a rookie they’d always say 28y old rookie they would so why would you have to say young rookie uh I think that was all my complaints right I I mean I got others but those are all the ones that I got game that’s all I got from

All of this I got some G I got game I got some Game Boy got game I mean I don’t have much game but I got movie he put a chat a poll in the chat yeah is bull out of pocket right now a dead even

50/50 split with 200 votes what am I out of pocket about people there’s people out there that that agree with you wholeheartedly but what I I’m curious as to what of the things I said do people think I’m out of I’m out of pocket about Nick sani’s face come on everybody no BR

Fan likes Nick sani’s face I is he from isn’t he from Ohio though maybe that’s it maybe is he he went he went to Mount Union I don’t think he’s from Ohio oh okay there something about his face listen I’m sure there’s a lot of people

See my face want to punch me in the face news Anor sure I probably got a punchable face too what about the news anchors that think they’re funny oh my god do has you ever seen a news anchor that was funny ever Jay Crawford he’s

Not really a news Anchor’s I mean he is but he’s a sports guy he he really not a news anchor he don’t Jay doesn’t really care Crawford 3 at 5:00 Mike poke he’s not a news anchor either he’s just he’s a whatever it calls but by the way I saw this video on

Instagram this is how that conversation started I tweeted a video or I put a video in our chat about this guy was talking about something he he looked like a like Mike PK’s British twin brother right you see that it was pretty it was pretty spot on but anyway so

Didn’t he respond didn’t what else am I out of pocket about uh I just I’ll look real quick um how about B I lost you when you said you took your balls out in public yeah that was out of pocket I agree with you there poetic pen says the Bulge is

Wild uh the quag said Bull’s about to get fired uh I’m never getting fired Bruce Elliott says Jay doesn’t count Jay is the least funniest dude is Jay the least funny guy of the show no he’s hilarious Jay is funny I think Jay’s funny Jay’s funny the least

Funniest dud but he’s not real I mean he technically he’s an anchor but he has experience most anchors have no ability to and Li most television anchors have no ability to An Li they reading off of a prompter they refus to read off a prompter Jay

Doesn’t oh he’s a smart man you know I tried that before I tried to when I was intern in that Channel 10 in Columbus when I was still playing I tried to do one and I’m like I just I can’t do it it’s hard but the least the least

Funniest person on the show is Steve and that’s it’s not even it’s not even enough or Steve the director St that the one that’s doing this right here yeah not funny not funny at all and we do have a little bit of an injury update for you guys though and then we’ll read

Some super chats but Jake troter tweeted stefansky says quote I’m not sure if Hopkins would be back for the playoffs again calls him week to week Hopkins has been clutch all year for the Browns but stefanski is unsure if Hopkins dealing with the hamstring injury would be back

For the playoffs on a scale 1 to 10 real quick guys and hopefully we’ll learn more as the week goes on and he’s already been ruled out this week but is this a a level four loss a level seven loss a 10 a like where on a scale

Of one to 10 is losing Dustin Hopkins oh it’s up there very high because you know in the playoffs games is come to down the field goals uh more times than not and if you don’t have a guy that can that’s guaranteed that you can that you

Know can hit it you can lose game so hopefully Patterson is pretty clutch um hopefully get some things done we’ll find out over the next course of these next two weeks but if he miss if he misses a field goal oh my gosh what’s a bigger loss Dustin Hopkins or miles

Garrett that one’s got tyus stinking Garrett and Dustin Hopkins is one kicks and one plays defense other than that there’s no difference Miles said he could kick field goal so yeah he did say that yesterday he said he if you were making a list before before this Sunday’s game of the top

10 least the the 10 guys you least think the team could afford to lose would Dustin Hopkins be on the list I yes yes yes yes yummy games that came down to a field goal that he had to make it’s a pretty big loss now in the end if this guy

Patterson he might we didn’t we got Hopkins nobody there was not a single person that was like yes we got Dustin hopk see now what you talking about it’s like the Joe flacko thing if Patterson comes in here and actually kicks really well and they go deep into this thing

And win it off of a kick CU of him yeah now you putting yourself at a dilemma for next year same thing with Joe flacker no it’s not the same thing it’s a dilemma if they if the Browns go out there and win a Super Bowl it would be

The biggest dilemma in if the Browns win the Super Bowl no the kicker won’t be a dilemma dilem the kicker won’t be because if Riley Patterson makes big kicks in the playoffs the Browns super B I’m kick I’m keeping him he’s a lot younger than he

Say I’m kicking ho I got to kick Hopkins out he’s a he’s five points away from t five time if Riley Patterson if the Browns win a Super Bowl which means they’re going to have to win four games so that there’s six games left if he’s perfect over the

Next six games makes a bunch of 50 yard field goals and the Browns win a Super Bowl and a game-winning kick by Riley Patterson he’s my Kicker next year 100% okay let me ask you about quarterback don’t do this please don’t do this don’t do

This trust me trust me you know you know let me just say this that is going to be the conversation we have most often this off season if Joe Flo has any run in the playoffs oh man that is going to be the entire offseason so we have plenty of

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Precast.com careers to learn more the first Super Chat couple of these are questions couple of these are just super chats comes from Tech operations and Tech operation says I hate to Reign on y’all’s parade but Flaco beat the Jaguars to have the 29th rank pass defense the Bears 26th ranked pass

Defense and Texans 25th ranked pass defense wait until we beat a real defense before we Crown this guy that’s no fun who’s crowning him that’s no fun Tech Mak sound it sound it sound like to me he take miles Garett over Joe flacko nobody’s crowning him smart man we’re

We’re we’re talk we saying he’s playing excellent football right now yeah this a big test this week coming out that’s why I kept telling you out of the five games this the one that cancern I I don’t know why you guys are out of pocket Jets they are really good defense our offensive

Line isn’t that great the only reason they look great is cuz they didn’t have they just gave up like 30 points to the commander who the Jets so what what was the final score yeah you know why you know you know why because they took their foot

Off the gas that’s why they was up by like 27 to nothing or something like that wasn’t they ain’t no randing on My Parade though man the Browns was winning and that’s the only thing that matter so oh I didn’t say they going to lose I

Just said I thought they cover and and they’re by seven seven I do think this is the toughest the whole wacko for Flo you know five and0 I think this is the toughest of the five I just think that is so much you guys ready m think is too

Much you lost to him last year off of the two minutes so you going to be fired up off of that and Joe flacko is a Revenge game so he going to be fired up he going to try to do chance CL the division it’s going to be B I’m not

Saying they’re going to lose the game that’s not what I’m saying I’m saying that it’s going to be way closer to Seven Points that’s my person back for the Jets by the way Trevor c yeah what that mean he sucks he just put up 27 points against the worst defense in the

NFL hey random thought cuz I told M Jo Flack will just put up or against a terrible defense of the NFL terrible got to keep going but I told him this your boy Phillip guess who got more pass and touchdowns to PJ Walker this year you

Would never guess this who got more pass and Ty boy no no Derrick Henry next question Mike uh next one try to make me upset and I am the only one uh appropriately able to answer this question Preston he asked two questions we’re going to answer your first

Question on the show in the next day or two so we’ll get to that the second one goes who hung Jason’s Soundbar because that looks so messed up I put it the chat yesterday to answer I went to Jason’s for Christmas Jason thanks for having me uh he has Jason does very well

For himself his TV’s on a mount and normally if there’s no tree it is lined up over the soundar but because the tree is there he has slid it to the side and it looks way off well you have to do very well for yourself if your TV’s on a

A mount well it’s just a whole nice setup I mean I have a nice setup in my basement don’t I very nice yeah but your Christmas tree isn’t I don’t have a Christ yeah it’s just the whole the ability just to slide the TV over to avoid the soundar it’s nice TV setup

Yeah so it’s also but I also will say those comments had me dying why did he do that oh he said that he slid his TV over TV was over for the treee okay so naturally it’s not like that naturally it’s not like that that would bead if it

Was natur yes uh next P Williams says karma is a 20124 AFC Championship Game Browns vers Ravens Browns win Avenge the 199 move with flacko at the helm what a storyline that would be well they could play the Ravens in the second round though I mean they could play him in the

Championship game if the Ravens are the one seed and the Browns are the only Road team that wins in the first round then the Browns and Ravens will play in the second round second round yeah uh next one comes from fortun 888 tyus is completely accurate oh four

Tunes on team tiis today about about who about what I’m guessing this is the miles Garrett said don’t matter all he heard was he was accurate I say next nobody thought tyus was crazy for his argument we thought he was crazy for what he started his argument with

Well the next one is from Charles T he has two he said yeah tyus is right right right who was the quarterback when the Browns beat the 49ers and the Ravens you know people keep saying this as if because it happened in the regular season in one game that means it’d be

Easy to do like well they won with PJ Walker before come on now they won Nick F they said the same thing about Nick FES and he won it all here’s the big difference Case Keenum had the M the Minneapolis Miracle big difference IUS the Browns

Won those games in spite of PJ Walker they’re winning these games partly because of Joe Flaco that’s a big difference is that not true no it isn’t because if I have a def defense that’s only given technically they only gave up what seven points against the Texans no it’s really

Zero before garbage time you think Phil you think Philip Kan put up seven points no are you no running game are you insane no so what so so Indianapolis putting up 30 points to win you don’t think that Joe flacko has been a big a big part of the reason they’ve been

Winning three in a row yeah okay but I also believe that the re the face of this team is the defense boy you need to stop acting like you need to qu cut it out and stop diminishing the fact that if they put in me at quarterback I can

Get us seven points I got I got a bunch of super chats you’re better than PJ Walker go ahead uh Charles T also says the Browns lose two starters per game who has won more games for the Browns this year Dustin Hopkins or Joe Flaco Dustin uh it ain’t why you Dustin dehop

Yes that’s assuming what other whatever other kicker you would have would not have made any of those kicks next one comes from armac dog bull do you think the Celtics should remove the banners for their first nine NBA titles when they were only 18 in the NBA if Boston

Can honor their early teams the Browns should be able to too I didn’t say they should Sly says we might have to bring back the QB Whisperer label for stefansky Daryl says ucss is fire I love you guys why is that so funny Li say If you think Flo is more important than

Miles you’re crowning him it’s a stupid point but go ahead and last but not least and I can’t believe I’m going to read this but I’m going to read it yeah this a Super Chat I’m just reading the Super Chat this from do it for chub bull I’m with you on

The melon knockers I’m Jerry The King Lawler when it comes to puppies I’m looking if you sh that’s right melon King whatever your name is y and and by the way if if if the Celtics championships from back in the day when there were less

Teams uh and not a lot of big guys then why is then Bill Russell should be the greatest player in the history of the NBA most championship but it’s not looked it that way it was a different error that’s all I’m saying the Championships don’t count

That man say hey M can I get 30 seconds yeah oh you 30 seconds 30 seconds right here hey man happy birthday to my mom man today is my mother’s birthday I know you been through a lot just want to tell you that I love you and I thank you for

Having me because you did that I get the opportunity to do some great things with my life before my time ends so happy birthday to you I love you Happy Birthday to Earl’s mom do she watch every day no she acts though she acts happy birthday to Earl’s mom my mother

Be like so did Joe flacko hit a home [Laughter] run and in the bottom of the third quarter oh did you see they the Guardians acquired offense uh that is overtime who I don’t know here oh we got throwing me your phone who who eston FL oh they MaDee trade that’s overtime all

Right he’s he was a prospect at one point we’ll see you on overtime see you later everybody puppy your mom is another person get screwed over by [Applause] uh d

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