Lakers Collapse Continues, Drop Game To Grizzlies
Yikes. The Lakers picked up another loss, this time in a 4th quarter meltdown against the Grizzlies. Let’s talk about it…
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Not enough ball movement.
I don't think lavine is the answer. That makes us top heavy with injury prone players and we see what is going on with the suns. We need a better bench. More scoring . Keep a couple guys for defense and bring in an offense heavy player and a 2-way guy. A new coach would be nice but nobody's available.
Why aren't they bringing up some guys from the G league ?
I have a difficult time watching laker games, who wants to see the other team shoot open 3s all night
Sean coming out of his shell since he got his own bit 😂😅
Bron bricking those free throws in the 4th nice going. And they say that bum is clutch lmao
Tim Tebow would be a better coach than Ham.
It's on the coach. The team was built around its two stars with mid-level players.
Look at the views for Trevor's show compared to Sean's show what a drop off. I am glad I am not the only one who thinks Sean is awful 🤢🤮
Poor perimeter shooting and just way too inconsistent, terrible fast break decision making, not taking care of the ball with sloppy turnovers, losing too many rebounds, blowing defensive assignments and then whenever they have a comfortable lead, they let it slip away far too often.
This Lakers team is not disciplined enough, there's not enough accountability, there's no real system involved for whatever reason. Another season shot to s#!t!🤬
Fire hammmmmm!!!!!!!!!!!
If you look at it from an offensive standpoint based on one study from 2021 I think the roster was badly constructed. We can take other studies about lineups and it's pretty much the same deal. This team is not constructed right. We have entirely too many skill forwards, that do not stretch the floor enough. Those that do stretch the floor aren't good overall players and lack defensive skills. We do not have the guards to play at a high level. You can fit Lebron, AD, AR and Prince into almost any lineup to get closer to ideal, but you can still never quite fill that last spot out with something that fits, namely a 2-way 3&D style forward, who is more than just a role player. We needed OGA. Of course Dejounte Murray, Caruso and Delon Wright instead of fairly useless filler like JHS, Max Christie and Gabe Vincent would immediately make this team a real contender, but it's not possible to make trades for those guys, besides maybe for Delon. We are not missing a traditional big and really don't need a bucket getting dominant scorer either. We could use a guy that can do both like Jokic to perfect our lineups obviously, but just a role playing big and a bucket getting 2-guard with no defense won't let you build better lineups either. Our ideal guy would be 0.25 ball dominant scorer and 0.75 stretch forward like hmm OG Anunoby with a green light or maybe Franz Wagner or Paul George. And to me that is not surprising at all, because the 3 is wide open and LBJ and AD block any 4 or 5 from being in the game in key moments. Our guards are worse than league average and we really only use Reaves, D'Lo and made Cam a guard. Prince is a rotation role player and not a starter. Rui is a 4. Vando is a 4. Both aren't wings. Wood doesn't fit. Gabe is not available and too small to pair with out other guards anyway (as was Schroeder). Max doesn't have experience and it shows. Hayes is pointless. And that's your roster folks.
Here is why Ham can't make this work:
"The Best and Worst Performing 5-man Lineups:
According to our 100 bootstrapped random forest models, our best performing lineup (lineup 1) has a predicted net rating of between 14.5 and 15.5. The lineup consists of 1.25 Ball Dominant Scorers, 2.25 Versatile Role Players 1 Traditional Center and 0.5 Stretch Forwards. The need to have your high usage player be efficient is evident in our highest predicted lineup. If you switch out the 1 Traditional Center and 1.5 of the Versatile Role Players to have 0.5 High Usages Guards, 1.25 Ball Dominant Scorers, 2 Stretch Forwards, 0.75 Versatile Role Players, 0.25 Three Point Shooting Guards and 0.25 Skilled Forwards (lineup 2), the net rating prediction is extremely close to the original, and still very successful. You can see that you can be successful having a guard dominated lineup if your able to stretch the floor with the two Stretch Forwards. The lowest performing lineup (lineup 3) has 2 High Usage Guards, 2.25 Versatile Role Players, 0.25 Floor Generals and 0.5 Skilled Forwards. This lineup shows that the lack of a Ball Dominant Scorer and Stretch Forwards results in a predicted net rating between -10.7 and -10.3. We also see that both high and low performing lineups have over two Versatile Role Players. The amount of Versatile Role Players does not necessarily matter more than the amount of efficiency and floor spacing you put around those players." That's from one of many studies on lineups out there.
I'll try my hand at our roster. I think it's probably fair to put it like this:
Lebron is 0.5 Ball Dominant Scorer, 0.25 Stretch Forward and 0.25 Skilled Forward
AD is 0.5 Traditional Center and 0.25 Skilled Forward and 0.25 Ball Dominant Scorer
AR is probably about 0.25 Versatile Role player, 0.25 High Usage Guard, 0.25 Three Point Shooting Guard and 0.25 Ball Dominant Scorer
D'Lo is about 0.25 High Usage Guard, 0.25 Three Point Shooting Guard, 0.25 Ball Dominant Scorer and 0.25 floor general
Prince is probably 0.5 Versatile Role Player 0.5 Stretch Forward (kind of becomes immediately clear why Ham insists on 30+ minutes of T. Prince)
Cam is about 0.75 Versatile Role Player and 0.25 Skilled Forward
Rui is about 0.5 Stretch Forward, 0.25 Versatile Role Player and 0.25 Skilled Forward
Vando is 0.75 Versatile Role Player 0.25 Skilled Forward
Max is 0.5 Versatile Role Player and 0.25 Stretch Forward and 0.25 Skilled Forward
Hayes is 1.0 Traditional Center
Wood is 0.25 Traditional Big, 0.25 Stretch Forward, 0.25 Skilled Forward and 0.25 Versatile Role Player
The rest of the guys are probably best characterized as 1.0 G-league material.
The lineup we played was AR / Cam / Prince / Lebron / AD
0.5 Versatile Role Player 0.25 Three Point Shooting Guard 0.25 Ball Dominant Scorer
0.75 Versatile Role Player and 0.25 Skilled Forward
0.5 Versatile Role Player 0.5 Stretch Forward
0.5 Ball Dominant Scorer, 0.25 Stretch Forward and 0.25 Skilled Forward
0.5 Traditional Center and 0.25 Skilled Forward and 0.25 Ball Dominant Scorer
That's 1.75 Versatile Role Player 1.0 Ball Dominant Scorer 0.75 Skilled Forward 0.75 Stretch Forward 0.5 Traditional Center 0.25 Three Point Shooting Guard
This lineup isn't bad. It lacks a little bit of Versatile Role Player (0.5), Traditional Center (0.5), Ball Dominant Scoring (0.25) and has entirely too much Skilled Forward (0.75). There is no way to improve on it with this roster though. If you had OGA 1.0 Stretch Forward and a 0.5 High Usage Guard with 0.25 Ball Dominant Scorer and 0.25 Stretch Forward like say DeMar DeRozan, you could get much closer to an ideal lineup by putting in Demar and OGA for Cam and Prince. But our current options here are Vando, Max, D'Lo and Wood.
Let's try AR and Cam with Lebron at the 3, Wood 4 and AD 5. So it's Wood for Prince. Losing 0.25 Stretch Forward and 0.25 Versatile Role Player, adding 0.25 Traditional Center, adding 0.25 Skilled Forward. This gives me even more of a lack of versatile role player, makes for a worse Skilled Forward overload but helps a little with the center. The Stretch Forward number is still good though. It is 0.5 too much inside scoring from forwards though. Plug in Caruso or KCP for Cam and you'd be solid there. But Lebron doesn't want this style, so that's out the window.
Let's do AR / Max / Prince / Lebron / AD
0.25 Versatile Role player, 0.25 High Usage Guard, 0.25 Three Point Shooting Guard and 0.25 Ball Dominant Scorer
0.5 Versatile Role Player and 0.25 Stretch Forward and 0.25 Skilled Forward
0.5 Versatile Role Player 0.5 Stretch Forward
0.5 Ball Dominant Scorer, 0.25 Stretch Forward and 0.25 Skilled Forward
0.5 Traditional Center and 0.25 Skilled Forward and 0.25 Ball Dominant Scorer
1.25 Versatile Role Player, 1.0 Ball Dominant Scorer, 1.0 Stretch Forward, 0.75 Skilled Forward, 0.5 Traditional Center, 0.25 High Usage Guard, 0.25 Three Point Shooting Guard.
This would probably work if Max were 0.25 ball dominant scorer and 0.75 stretch forward and AD were a floor stretching big and Prince a defender. Swap OGA into this lineup for Max.
Go ahead try this out. With the current personnel, you cannot find a solidly EV+ lineup. And that's not on Ham. Ham sucks, no questions asked, but we just didn't construct this roster right. And of course this also ignores defensive skills, which is arguably our worst problem with the perimeter defense breaking down in multiple quarters usually. But even if everyone had good defense on the roster, it would still not work due to being unable to construct solid synergistic lineups from this roster.
If Brony's dad wasn't Lebron he wouldn't make the NBA. Let's be honest about that.
we are never fully healthy…your tailbone hurts? whys rui even out? put the mask on brotha…we need our guys to want to play
if they trade reaves im finding a new team…i cant like a team that never has any familiar faces these guys are pissing me off….reaves is a creative player let him cook …they force him to run lebrons plays
F that tournament it’s over! Only thing that counts is a ring
When I heard we received Gabe Vincent over Dennis Schroder, I knew our perimeter defense and late game decision making would take a severe hit. Dennis was the dog that allowed us to stay rallied late into the game when we needed that leadership at the PG position. This game speaks to that directly.
You fools are Austin drunk lol
Called it Lakers going 1-11 this home stretch book it
Ham, was not ready for this job, Laker GM didn’t want anyone bigger than him. In the building. You fired a good coach to hire him. Dumb, then let Jason kid get away. Phill handy should have gotten the job. If this was all we were getting. Handy is a good coach. Never understood this choice. He wasn’t the head coach in Milwaukee wtf we need with the assistant lol
We're not good just simple. Point Blank Period 🤔
You guys make far too many excuses for LeBron. I don’t want to hear that he is 39 years old while constantly being reminded that he doesn’t look like he’s age at all and that he’s beating Fathertyme. You can’t have it both ways. He’s either too old to play or he’s not too old to play. We make no excuses inside those lines. He’s doing a lot on offense because he’s skimping on defense. A team needs all five players to play defense at or above the same level otherwise the defense doesn’t work.
It's everyone's fault except the coach 😅
😢 Lebron is not a Leader , he is a Vampire 👽🍷
u sound like crying baby
Bro this team reminds me of the chargers. I’m a chargers fan too and was rooting for them to lose just so they would wake up and realize they need to make a big change. I hope the lakers get blown out by the clippers and maybe they’ll fire dham and get this team going
Defense lack
🙏😔
I hate to say it, but this is the best year for the Clippers to push ahead especially if this continues from the Lakers..
Clippers are looking great. But banners.
i hope they lose. bottom out so it forces change.
You have to fire ham he is actually a bad coach.. Do not get Doc Rivers though that said even doc is not this bad a coach but he aint good so not him…
Why is management waiting to fire D Scam?? Why waiting to trade D Low??? I guess the lakers will wait until we at the bottom of the standings to make changes. Smh
Lakers are playing lax, not guarding 3pt line…free rides to the basket.
I think Bronny is a hell of a player, but come on. He couldn’t play for the Lakers right now. He’s not even the best player on his team—a team that isn’t good. He might be the 5th or 6th best player on USC. But he’s going to play rotation minutes for the Lakers?
Lakers fans keep saying fire Ham, replace him with who? 😂 Theres no championship hall of fame coaches out there just waiting by their phone for the Lakers to call. In addition they don't have valuable pieces to trade for a star unless they give up a haul
DeRozan..!