Ah boy here we go again fuck these fuckers who have only wanted this man to fail cause their boss wanted to be right about a draft night prediction
Wildvalor
Anything about the Hawks from the Ringer is pretty useless, they don’t watch the games then complain about him and time.
FireworkFuse
We COULD, but we won’t. Not with Nick Ressler running this team
Leading-Opportunity7
Obligatory fuck the ringer and their bum ass takes on Trae young. I don’t even need to click on that to know it says something, something flight risk, something, something dysfunctional
kj114
nobody here is reading this based on the comments, but it’s actually a fair accounting of where the team is
_QazzaQ
This is surprisingly a pretty good piece about the Hawks. Looks like the writer actually watched Hawks games and he makes some good points and no lazy takes blaming Trae.
Some nice excerpts:
“The Hawks have five players who have logged at least 10 possessions as the roll man in the pick-and-roll this season. Together, they’ve averaged 1.3 points per possession, a rate of offense higher than either Giannis Antetokounmpo or Nikola Jokic in that play type. <..> The Hawks offense works the way it does because Young, despite his size, is essentially Yu Darvish on the hardwood, creating a whole array of potential outcomes from a single release point.”
“Murray’s reputation as a havoc-creating defender has become even more illusory than Young’s reputation as a lights-out shooter; combined with a noticeable decline in Capela’s play as a rim deterrent, a teamwide allergy to recognizing back cuts, and a defensive game plan that allows a ton of attempts both at the rim and in the corners, Atlanta is flirting with some of the worst defense in NBA history. (In an almost pointless display of irony, Young is having the best defensive season of his career. <…> Unfortunately, there is only so much a 164-pound guard can do to drastically improve the margins on that side of the ball.)”
“Johnson is the only player outside of Young deemed “untouchable,” and it’s clear why. The breakout third-year forward has been the sole beacon of hope to come out of this season. Johnson presents a brand-new archetype for Young—and a chance for the star guard to evolve into something different. Young’s puppet master tendencies have been enabled by … all athletic play finishers <…>. Johnson can operate as a similar cog in the machine, but he’s also arguably the second-best passer on the team (perhaps even the second-best player, full stop), capable of making plays in the short roll. The allure of a Ben Simmons–esque point forward (who also shoots 3s at an above-average clip) is exactly the kind of catalyst that could shift how the team operates moving forward. “
azuresou1
I’m generally not a Ringer fan, and I don’t think there’s anything new here, but Danny Chau is a good writer and I don’t see anything unfair in this article.
Just want to get through the trade deadline
jwn0323
Yeah I hate the ringer as much as any sane Hawks fan. It all depends on who writes the article though. They’re few and far between, but there are a few people there who actually do watch what they claim to be experts in.
FreeHoopStreams
Always a crazy difference between the opinion of Trae Young as a Hawk and the opinion of Trae Young as a trade candidate
hotgoldminer
article reinforces what we already know as hawks fans. nice to see it coming from a national outlet.
but let this be a corrective to all the armchair gm threads plaguing our sub:
>But things for Atlanta could get a lot worse before they get better. The types of players the Hawks need—big, defensively sound wings who can hit a 3 and actually be relied on to do both on a consistent basis, unlike the ones they already have … and a star on a level similar to Trae himself—are exceedingly rare, and the sort of players that teams hold on to, especially given that buyers in the trade market are likely to be teams with deep postseason aspirations.
the type of defender you guys seem to think is easy to acquire is simply not available.
plasticAstro
I know it’s the ringer, but it’s a pretty fair read on the season.
Ajaxx42
Nothing said in the article was false, it gives a pretty on-point assessment of where this team is at right now. This is the type of article you WANT to get traction because it actually fairly addresses a lot of narratives about Trae and the roster.
hollow-ataraxia
I know we reflexively don’t like The Ringer but this is a great article. Danny Chau wrote facts here and he clearly has watched this team significantly more than his colleagues (especially Michael Pina, Kevin O’Connor or Simmons) and he’s spot on about how we’ve failed to build a team that has given Trae a compelling reason to not play helio-ball.
The whole off-ball Trae thing was predicted on the assumption that we could have Dejounte or anyone else playmake at a high enough level that our offense would flow without him directing it, but we’ve ended up in a place again where nobody can do anything without him setting it up except take contested shots and he’s more exhausted than ever trying to get shit to work.
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Ah boy here we go again fuck these fuckers who have only wanted this man to fail cause their boss wanted to be right about a draft night prediction
Anything about the Hawks from the Ringer is pretty useless, they don’t watch the games then complain about him and time.
We COULD, but we won’t. Not with Nick Ressler running this team
Obligatory fuck the ringer and their bum ass takes on Trae young. I don’t even need to click on that to know it says something, something flight risk, something, something dysfunctional
nobody here is reading this based on the comments, but it’s actually a fair accounting of where the team is
This is surprisingly a pretty good piece about the Hawks. Looks like the writer actually watched Hawks games and he makes some good points and no lazy takes blaming Trae.
Some nice excerpts:
“The Hawks have five players who have logged at least 10 possessions as the roll man in the pick-and-roll this season. Together, they’ve averaged 1.3 points per possession, a rate of offense higher than either Giannis Antetokounmpo or Nikola Jokic in that play type. <..> The Hawks offense works the way it does because Young, despite his size, is essentially Yu Darvish on the hardwood, creating a whole array of potential outcomes from a single release point.”
“Murray’s reputation as a havoc-creating defender has become even more illusory than Young’s reputation as a lights-out shooter; combined with a noticeable decline in Capela’s play as a rim deterrent, a teamwide allergy to recognizing back cuts, and a defensive game plan that allows a ton of attempts both at the rim and in the corners, Atlanta is flirting with some of the worst defense in NBA history. (In an almost pointless display of irony, Young is having the best defensive season of his career. <…> Unfortunately, there is only so much a 164-pound guard can do to drastically improve the margins on that side of the ball.)”
“Johnson is the only player outside of Young deemed “untouchable,” and it’s clear why. The breakout third-year forward has been the sole beacon of hope to come out of this season. Johnson presents a brand-new archetype for Young—and a chance for the star guard to evolve into something different. Young’s puppet master tendencies have been enabled by … all athletic play finishers <…>. Johnson can operate as a similar cog in the machine, but he’s also arguably the second-best passer on the team (perhaps even the second-best player, full stop), capable of making plays in the short roll. The allure of a Ben Simmons–esque point forward (who also shoots 3s at an above-average clip) is exactly the kind of catalyst that could shift how the team operates moving forward. “
I’m generally not a Ringer fan, and I don’t think there’s anything new here, but Danny Chau is a good writer and I don’t see anything unfair in this article.
Just want to get through the trade deadline
Yeah I hate the ringer as much as any sane Hawks fan. It all depends on who writes the article though. They’re few and far between, but there are a few people there who actually do watch what they claim to be experts in.
Always a crazy difference between the opinion of Trae Young as a Hawk and the opinion of Trae Young as a trade candidate
article reinforces what we already know as hawks fans. nice to see it coming from a national outlet.
but let this be a corrective to all the armchair gm threads plaguing our sub:
>But things for Atlanta could get a lot worse before they get better. The types of players the Hawks need—big, defensively sound wings who can hit a 3 and actually be relied on to do both on a consistent basis, unlike the ones they already have … and a star on a level similar to Trae himself—are exceedingly rare, and the sort of players that teams hold on to, especially given that buyers in the trade market are likely to be teams with deep postseason aspirations.
the type of defender you guys seem to think is easy to acquire is simply not available.
I know it’s the ringer, but it’s a pretty fair read on the season.
Nothing said in the article was false, it gives a pretty on-point assessment of where this team is at right now. This is the type of article you WANT to get traction because it actually fairly addresses a lot of narratives about Trae and the roster.
I know we reflexively don’t like The Ringer but this is a great article. Danny Chau wrote facts here and he clearly has watched this team significantly more than his colleagues (especially Michael Pina, Kevin O’Connor or Simmons) and he’s spot on about how we’ve failed to build a team that has given Trae a compelling reason to not play helio-ball.
The whole off-ball Trae thing was predicted on the assumption that we could have Dejounte or anyone else playmake at a high enough level that our offense would flow without him directing it, but we’ve ended up in a place again where nobody can do anything without him setting it up except take contested shots and he’s more exhausted than ever trying to get shit to work.
No other star player has to get “salvaged” at 25.
Imagine if they gave up on Steph at 25