Are The Chicago Bulls Likely To Move Both DeMar DeRozan & Zach LaVine By The Trade Deadline?
You found yourself on another episode of Locked on bulls in today’s episode we’re going to discuss Mark Stein reporting that the Chicago Bulls don’t want to trade multiple of their veterans and how Lonzo Ball’s contract could be included in that as well we’re also going to talk
About Kobe white being the leader right now for most improved player according to us and uh can the Bulls make it three wins in a row when they face off against the Houston Rockets tonight all that and more on to days locked on bulls you are locked on bulls your daily
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Today to get started all right Pat hey Mark Stein reported that the Bulls aren’t looking to move multiple of their veterans now this is that alone is interesting enough considering what we’ve heard is that the Bulls may look to explore trading demard Rosen if they can’t sign the contract extension which
Last we heard they’re still far apart on a deal and we already know that Zack LaVine the trade request is out there so when you hear that they’re not looking to necessarily move multiple veterans do you believe that because they may be forced to is the kind of way I’ve been
Looking at it at this point I I think that it’s one of those things where right like you you kind of talk about it as they don’t want to move the other guys right like I didn’t hear that and think immediately oh the Bears have or
I’m sorry the the Bulls have no desire to move on from uh Zack LaVine or from demard De rozan or from right like I I heard that is right we’re not trading AC we’re not trading uh uh Drummond we’re not blowing this thing up we’re not
We’re not taking it down to the studs and trying to reset the team that we have here with a completely young team we’re more willing to go in and try and win games as with the veteran presence that we have on our bench as well um
Multiple to me I think in this sense is is more than two I think you’re going to be forced to with Zach and dear in some sense but outside of that it doesn’t feel like the Bulls ever want to get rid of Alice Caruso they’re not probably not
Moving on from Tory Craig uh depending on when he comes back right like and you wouldn’t be able to trade him not anyway with him injured uh you’re not right like you’re you’re not moving on from some of these guys that you feel the ancillary pieces in trade deals and that
And that’s kind of how I took the report as yeah I agree with that I think that you know I at the end of the day we know that the Bulls could potentially really make some moves this this this trade deadline some because of a request some because of just it makes sense
Business-wise some they’re trying to the it’s funny because the moves that the other NBA teams want them to make and Andre Drummond and Alex CR so they’re completely against moving uh and so it’s going to be an interesting trade downline for the Chicago Bulls because we keep hearing the same thing
Regardless of the players and teams being in and out on players whatever it is the thing that remains this was in Mark Steiner’s report as well the Bulls are not looking to go full rebuild and if people have been listening we’ve been saying this for what about two years now
Two years we’ve been saying I mean we’ve been saying this since we took over the podcast pretty much like it’s not it’s not something new it’s AK yeah it’s it’s Acme as long as Acme’s here the Bulls will never blow it up get over it we’re
Going to be a 30 win team some years we’re going to be a 60- win team eventually we’re going to be a freaking uh uh a Western Conference Finals team or west confence if we’re in the Western Conference Finals that’s crazy that’s why that’s why hey I mean when when’s
Vegas getting here baby uh maybe we get shipped around no uh we’re going to be an Eastern Conference Finals team some years we’re going to be a team that’s going to be high in the lottery some years that’s what the tenure of AK is going to be agree completely agree with you there
Um but one of the interesting things that came out in this report is something that I didn’t know so I knew that injuries were covered by insurance but Mark Stein pointed out that the skag Bulls could look to use Lonzo Ball’s contract to make some uh some deals
Happen and that teams would be interested to take that back because it is covered 80% by Insurance the immediate thing when I read that was that there’s no way Jerry rinor is going to give up a contract that he only has to pay 20% on for a contract that he’s
Gonna have to pay 100% off I agree with you but but in theory with what we basically have left on this deal that would be the right move right like I mean you you got one year left you got 20% on it you’ve got young players that are developing at this
Point like you’re not paying out of that does it I guess I guess the question is does that count towards or against your luxury tax at all well so the contract the still the whole contract counts against the salary cap so theoretically we if we traded Lonzo balls $21 million
For another player making cuz you can take I think it’s 16 to the full 20 million we can take back and it could match per the rules in the in the salary cap yeah we wouldn’t send us into the luxury tax because we already are are
Booked for $21 million so it’s it’s so weird because right like you almost feel like of course he’s going to do that because if you do trade away Zack LaVine right you got that 15% trade kicker and that’s how you just come out even at the
End of the year yeah yeah so I wouldn’t be surprised if we saw something like that I think that um the the likely scenario always was that Lonzo ball I’m G tell you this right now if Lonzo ball can play basketball he will play basketball again for the Chicago
BS if he can if he can come back and he can get back on a court and he works himself back to a point where he is able to actually be able to run jump cut all of that he will play basketball again for the Chicago Bulls the reason I say
Say that is I watch them wait on Jamal Murray to come back for basically three seasons two seasons he kind of had like Seasons or half seasons and they were just like nope still our guy and guess what Jamal Murray dealing with injury yet again like yeah big shock like but
But it’s but it’s we always make that comparison to the Jamal it’s it’s a completely even the Michael Porter Jr this is a injury that he would be the first to come back from oh I agree in the NBA level I I agree with you I just
I think the the precedent is that they’re more willing to wait on guys to get better and come back than they are to move on from guys who that at one point they’ve had a belief in I don’t I’m not sitting here telling you that it’s logical and just because the uh the
The Denver Nuggets won a championship with Jamal Murray who was a big part of that because of it that it’s the right path to take I’m also not telling you that Lonzo Ball’s coming back here to give you Jamal Murray impact right like there’s I just I just feel like there
Are certain things in the organization that we can look at and go yep that makes perfect sense because that’s what they do and what they did in their other in their other jobs and they’re probably going to continue to do that here yeah I
Mean I I we’ll see we’ll see like I I think that it could get it would be a surprise for them to use something like that it’d be a bigger surprise not from them because listen at the end of the day just you can’t just say just because
They held on to Jamal Murray that they’re going to do the same thing like it’s a completely different scen scenario they drafted Jamaal Murray they got to see him be really good they believed in that like and Lonzo ball at the end of the day if he does come back
Keep in mind this is that he only will have one year left on his contract and there’s no guarantee that he’s going to be able to play at a high level then so you know I I think it’s this conversation is all for for mute because
I don’t think that this it’s going to get traded again because more so than anything uh Jerry Palpatine Ryan dorf uh is not going to allow that to happen rise my Lonzo ball no rise is uh bank account because oh yeah well his bank account in that situation yes can never
Go wrong with that no I I think that when and again when we talk about moving on from veteran pieces when we talk about you know the B the Bulls trade scenario finishing out this season um there are a lot of scenarios that to me we would see teams that
Are more willing to reset things than the Bulls are make those kind of moves right like for most teams right you trade away Zack well it didn’t work we’re blowing it up that’s that’s how that’s how most teams in this NBA would operate for the Bulls it’s like we’re trading away Zack
LaVine but Kobe White’s playing better we’re not blowing this thing up we’re going to keep veterans on the team we’re going to allow him to continue to thrive we’re hoping that Patrick Williams takes another step even though it seems like he’s never going to do that and uh we’re
We’re we’re looking to see you know what dalen Terry is going to become and of course we’re going to draft this year and see if we can find a young player there and we got Julian Phillips and the D like that this is this is who we’re going to be
They’re going to go with young players until they find one where all of a sudden we go oh wait a minute yeah I mean buto doesn’t mean you’re still not going young players it could help facilitate a deal for young players but I mean at the end of the day
I think what we’re seeing is going to be straightforward to what we’ve heard Zach possibly Demar getting moved you can’t re reach a contract extension and other than that it’s continuity baby baby run it back Hey listen the Bears seem to be in on it the Bulls are
In on it we all all the Chicago in on it Conor Bard ain’t got no jaw so they were keeping that together uh they trying to hey they trying to keep continuity with his bottom jaw and his top jaw trying you know I mean like uh what do the
White socks got the white socks fired everybody in the organization and then immediately promoted the one dude that people were like nah they wouldn’t do that continuity baby cubs haven’t done anything continuity baby yeah I mean like you’re welcome to Chicago continuity the Chicago way that’s Chicago way continu away but next up
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Just want to see the month change I just want to see the you said it you said you you Kobe white he’s been inconsistent heck he said it in his um his media day he’s been inconsistent so when Kobe white started playing really well you’re one of the people that said hold up
Let’s just make sure that this is going to be legit on yesterday’s episode you said No it’s it’s legit now so let’s talk about how legit is Kobe White’s chances to win most improved player of the year right now it’s a two-man race between him and Tyrese Max yeah which I
Which I feel like Tyrese Maxi is that this like we knew he was good yeah like what kind of jump like if Tyrese Maxi wins right it is that is that a little bit of uh the the John Morant when a most improved player where it was like
Hey listen he most improved but like it’s because he had a 10-point increase in his points a five assist increase in assist like you got to have that kind of jump to to win the most approved player and have been a good player last year
Now the only thing and I get and I agree with you but maybe the only thing that holds Kobe white back from that is he did have a season before of averaging 15 points per game but it’s different you got to look at the if you look at last
Season Kobe White’s doubled he averaged 9.7 points per game last season and he’s doubled that and guess what how many more shots La uh than last year do you think Kobe White’s taken um four six six more shots six okay so so to double it on six shots
Efficiencies there uh over the last 20 games right from Kobe white keep in mind this takes a little bit before even Zack LaVine went down 22.4 points per game 5.9 rebounds 5. six assists he’s doing that on an amazing efficiency uh shooting the ball uh at almost 46% and
41% from three-point range now keep in mind there were like four games in there he couldn’t hit nothing from three-point range so yeah he’s really playing really well right now yeah see I don’t I feel like you can’t put Tyrese Maxi and it listen this is what I said right Tyrese
Maxi is in the running for most improved player and it’s between him and Kobe white and this is why I say five points per game make a difference in your career how much you think Tyrese Maxi averaged last year 20 point but right at 20 points per game 20 points a game
He was just just under four assists a game he’s got that up to 6.6 assists a game he was 20 now he’s averaging 25 to 26 points game five two more buckets you make two more baskets and your whole perception of your career is different
Uh but what what I what I’ll say is um when I think about Improvement I I thought Tyrese Maxi was right like cuz he is he another one that was went after Patrick Williams right yeah yes I believe so yeah I I thought we missed Pi 21st 2 yeah we had the
Fourth pick in the draft yeah I thought we missed I I thought that last year yeah I mean like you’re not you’re not surprising me with the play of Tyrese Maxi and you’re not surprising me by saying I gave this guy more minutes and he scores more points now so I don’t
Know about I don’t know about the the Maxi MIP um I would say the Cobe white most improved to me is the most legitimate most improved uh because you took a guy who was a bench shooting guard and turned him into a starting point guard in the modern NBA and a modern NBA
Starting point guard I know you know there’s some of them out there that don’t agree with that I know you’re watching kid now dark there is a dark host candidate in this race as well and it’s somebody that we have to talk about while he’s not garnering a lot of the
Public outcry for it I do think that he is somebody that if he keeps ascending to what he’s been doing he could get in on this as well and this is the guy we both like Alfred s goon to me that’s it he’s he’s the only one
I’m really worried about and I I don’t even think that’s Dark Horse like it maybe because people haven’t paid attention to him but alarin singon I’ve been I’ve been trying to get the Chicago Bulls to trade for him for three years now like I they missed it now it’s too
Late oh yeah it’s over I knew it was over the second ime Oka got there but like when he came in his rookie year and he averaged nine points a game and they basically weren’t using him and they also were playing him at small forward then playing him in small forward but
Every time he got in the post his footwork was Elite yeah every time he was back to the basket his footwork was so pure it was cocaine white pure that’s a foot that you like that that is a foot that I’m in on dog if I heard alperin singon wanted to
Dip his toes in the Chicago Bulls I’d be all over it just saying bro I I’ve I’ve liked his game for a while now and yes he did improve uh uh from this year to last year now only now seven points a game I’m not going to say only seven points a
Game seven points a game rebounding is pretty much the same assists is up but it’s him becoming the number one on that team the only thing about uh um I guess that would be the only question is because they made him the number one even though he already had a lot of the
Accolades but you gave them more shots who’s ahead in that race um and it’s kind of the same thing for every all three of them right Kobe white gets the same debate uh uh Tyrese Maxi gets the same debate but to me Kobe white has
Done it at I’ll say this Kobe white and S goon have done it at a level that has improved their team vastly while Maxi has done it at a level where the Sixers kind of maintained where they were in the East that’s fair that’s a fair way
To look at what what do you think is the biggest things hurting Kobe White’s chances at most most improved player uh there’s a lot of season left so it’s time to fall off like that’s really all it is I I’m hoping that’s not going to happen now I’m now I’m back in
Right I’m back in on Kobe I’m I’m I’m rocking with him I think he’s got the talent I’m clap it up clap it up yeah I mean big love to Kobe white but at the end of the day you got to keep this play
Up I I think that he is he’ll be in the conversation no matter what if he can maintain this level of play and if we’re being honest if he maintains the level of play we’ve seen in January he’ll be somebody by the end of the season who is
Averaging upwards of 23 points per game 24 points per game somewhere in there yeah yeah that’s why I used that last 20 cuz right and he’s got it up considered averaging right now on the season 18.2 points per game but keep in mind just a
Month ago it was at like 14 points per game Kobe’s been killing it yeah no he’s been balling he’s been balling I and I love that he’s not letting Zack LaVine take the Reigns back and I hope that that continues tonight when we play the Houston Rockets yeah and Billy Donovan
Has said it now on two different occasions when asked is that Zack LaVine coming back will not impact Kobe White’s shots in his prioritization in the office now he said it we got to make sure it’s going to happen but at least he said it and I like to I like to see
That that’s where Billy Donovan’s mindset also is as the head coach and making sure that he does not uh take away from what Kobe White’s been able to do well and I think here’s the thing too right here’s what the thing that would solidify him as most improved player for
For me um the rest of the season okay you get everybody in this whatever time frame this is to buy in you’re the point guard you’re you to me right now Kobe white is one of the biggest leaders of this team I know Zach is still here
Demar is still here V is still here Kobe white is the voice that people seem to be suddenly listening to and rocking with can you get the guys that don’t want to be here to buy in and start and maintain that level of play because if
You can do that one to the organization you’re a godsend because this seems like there’s no answers here and two um now all the sudden you look at Kobe white as oh he’s somebody that people are going to want to play with he’s somebody that people are going to want to build around
He’s somebody that people are going to want to uh uh uh be on the same team with and and then you add that to everything else that you have in the building already now you feel like you’ve got a core piece of your team moving forward great points for made
Great points for made hey man before we get into this final topic bro we got to talk about uh can the Bulls make it three in a row this is going to be a tough one this is not going to be an easy game for the Chicago Bulls coming
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When we did it we faced them tonight um the Houston Rockets can can the Bulls get another dub against the second best defensive team in the NBA right now we’re going to see a nice uh 7876 game tonight aren’t we that’s what we got coming ahead of us um I think this is
Going to be a a real interesting battle between our bigs with with uh Vu supposedly getting the start tonight versus alarin senon alpr soun’s a type of big that Vu is struggled with right those guys that kind of basically are just younger him uh Now suon can do a
Little bit more with putting the ball on the floor but I mean like’s he’s kind of that yakob poal style mold guy right like that that guy that we all wish that we had on our team every year but yeah we got the old version but uh I I just I
I I feel like that’s going to be really the battle to keep an eye on and honestly how is Billy Donovan going to again use Andre Drummond and Nik lavich in this game this is a team with Jabari Smith Jr with with uh senon that can get out and
Absolutely can rebound the basketball push the tempo slow things down when they need to like this is going to be a hardfought battle for the Bulls I think this is going to be a really really fun game and uh I I think that there’s a
Good chance that the Bulls can make it a three in a row run but it’s going to be based off of do you come out with the same style of Defense while working back in brand new lineup it’s gonna be a little bit tougher for you the D is gonna be important
Today I mean listen as uh as Zion Williamson and uh Zion Williamson and porn Stone have found out down in Houston the D is always important but no your face they they really they really they really need to um the boyss are going to have to lock
In defensively in this game and not to say that the Houston Rockets are one of the best the second best defense in the league their offense is middle of the pack just like the Chicago Bulls offense so this is really going to come down to
A team that can perform the best on and and and you know shoot the efficiently Step Up defensively when needed as well the Houston Rockets actually they Fallen towards the bottom of the NBA as offense so you know we got to see how how that’s
Going to end up shaking out and I think this is going to be one of the games where the bench is going to be important in this especially Vu and zacker moving back into the starting lineup this game uh when you look at that bench unit of
IO Alice Caruso dalen Terry and Andre Drummond those are four players that that can defend that can rebound that can get out in transition and that bench unit and and the the intensity in which they play play with is going to be hugely important in this game as well
Because the Houston Rockets while they only have one 20 point per game score on their team in in sanon there still are a deep team of players that can fill it up if you let them I mean they they’re very Mirror Image when you look at the two
Teams right when you look at uh points per game allowed uh the Bulls allow 111 the the Rockets allow uh 110 I mean like it like it’s it’s a very Stout two very Stout defenses offensively they’re very similar bull shoot a little bit better percentage uh from the field than
Houston does but like it’s it’s it’s one of those games where it’s like the Spider-Man meet and you’ve got two now what I think we can say for sure uh two teams coming with young players that both ascending and you’re really trying to use them a lot more in your game and
I think that’s going to be very interesting to see kind of how it plays out and listen these games I I’ll tell you this much these games if we’re talking about most improved player they matter how’d you do against the guy that you were playing against how’ you how’d
You playing the game versus alprin sing now he can’t go head up right and Tyrese Maxi cooked us so yeah that’s a that’s a tough one for Kobe to to I think Kobe had that was one of his bad shooting games in that one too uh so yeah he he’s
A little bit behind the eightball but how’s he going to come out and play uh and and what is this Bulls team going to do versus you know this this young Houston team defensively it’s going to be interesting to see definitely always going to be interesting I think when you
Look at them they Dylan Brooks t e and Victor Oladipo all expected to be out in this game as well this takes away some of their depth but they still got more than enough and they got some Shooters on this team as well we know how the Bulls can have performed with that
So Victor enen Depot still in the NBA yeah that’s crazy you didn’t know that I mean I knew but like I I think it’s one of those things that I knew it I mean he hasn’t played for them but you always expect him not to be playing yeah he hasn’t played for
Them this season so you’d be correcting that that’s that’s crazy that like teams keep signing him basically just for him to be there did he get hurt during the season like during training camp or something like or did he sign with them hurt like I know he left last season
Traed he got traded to them didn’t he he was on Miami last year wasn’t he when he when he blew the knee out wasn’t it a knee again he blew his ACL out again I think Depot been hurt so much bro like I don’t know either ol hopefully he’s there sing the national
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