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>*Two-timetable rosters do not tend to work out — just ask the Boston Celtics how it went having Kyrie Irving and Gordon Hayward playing with Jaylen Brown and Jayson Tatum — so it’s clearly time to pick a direction for the Warriors, and the sinking power rankings are just one of many signs that’s true.*
If you had to choose between the core and the young squad of Kuminga, Moody, TJD and Podz, which do you choose? Trade sections or all of the core or trade as much of the young squad as needed?
I choose the former without a doubt. We have to get “ready” players next to this core if we have a chance within the Curry window. I am willing to sacrifice every single young player to do it. This is because players like Steph probably come around to your hometown team probably just once in our lifetime. Twice if somehow lightning strikes twice in the same place. That’s it. Gotta maximize it.
What’s your take and why?
No middle ground. Trade the core or trade the kids.
btw, if you trade the core, that prob means Kerr is not the coach. If that helps your calculus.
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by WryKombucha
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trading the core means trading Steph, so if we have to make the choice, we’re bound to trade the kids, in my opinion
I’m riding with Steph and the core until the wheels fall off. Whatever we could get back for the young guys + the core would still give us a better chance at a ship than whatever we could get back for the older core + the young guys.
Just let Steph be the GM and let him fire himself when he is paying 37 year old Klay 30M a year on a 30 win squad with no draft assets lol.
We don’t have to trade all the kids. We can keep Podz and let the others go along with CP3+Wiggs.
You’re not trading Steph , the kids on their own are not it. Keep a few of the young guys and trade others for a few players in their prime. Develop and invest in the young guys you keep.
Steph, until he retires.
If we think that the kids are anywhere near Tatum and Brown we’re deluding ourselves
I think the goal would be to package the young guys, CP3s expiring, and draft picks for at least 1 solid player in their mid 20s who could boost the warriors right now immediately, and a couple of vets who fill other needs. I think if that can be accomplished, then it’s worth emptying basically everything but the core.
Like best case, lauri + Clarkson or mikal bridges + dinwiddie (where we would have to literally trade everything but I think either of their fit with the core would be worth it), or getting dejounte Murray + cappella, or something like that.
I think the other alternative would be trading just one young player and one salary (CP3/Wiggins + moody/kuminga/podz and/or draft picks) to get a couple of reliable rotation pieces that fit, like Alex Caruso and vucevic.
I think if the fit for the first option is there, it would be worth it, as part of this teams problem is lack of true clarity when it comes to roles. Like particular line ups, how many minutes, match ups, etc, and too many of our players are all about the same in production right now, so packaging them together to reduce redundancy could help a lot. And getting back out defensive anchor and main engine on offense will help too lol
The “Core” isn’t good enough. This is what this sub refuses to concede. The young guys have done their job. They are winning their minutes and performing well. If the Core was good enough, there would be no problem. The reason why the Warriors are in the lottery is because the guys who are supposed to be the DUDES aren’t DUDES.
GET THAT THROUGH YOUR THICK SKULLS.
The wheels have fallen off. You know how I know? Steph, Klay, Draymond, Looney, and Wiggins ALL HAVE NEGATIVE NET RATINGS.
Last year when all the young guys had negative ratings it was the only thing this sub needed to shit on them. Now that the supposed CORE has negative net ratings, that shit doesn’t matter.
The young guys are all positive in terms of net ratings. We should be trading the old guys to give the young guys some help.
We have a generational great. We sell the future. Fuck Warrior basketball in 2028-2033. Fuck it. Steph Curry is here and is a home grown NBA all time legend. Get him help. Fuck them kids. Trade CP3 and all four of the youngsters if we need too. Sell all the picks. None of that matters. When Curry retires we suck for 7 years oh well. Win. Now.
Please don’t ever compare our kids to Tatum and Brown.
We go all in until Steph is not a top 10 player anymore. Let’s make some splashes
It’s Steph’s team but I don’t think it’s about timelines the key word at the beginning of the season was optionality. Cp3, Wiggins, Moody and I suspect Trayce are the expendable group along with 2 firsts. That could land us two solid players theoretically but with whom? 🤷🏿♂️
Idk about Kerr hopefully they work it out cuz I can’t think of who could replace him
not sure you can compare those celtics teams to this warriors team … the warriors “older core” has won 4 NBA titles while those celtics teams peaked as eastern conference title game fodder for lebron
i think the more apt comparison would be the spurs from a decade ago
they had the old core of duncan, ginobli, parker who were all 10+ years NBA veterans
but also young players like leonard, green, mills, splitter whom were in their 2nd, 4th, 4th, 3rd years respectively in the NBA that were contributors in their back to back NBA finals appearances in 2012/13 and 2013/14 and played key roles in the team’s 2014 NBA title win
thing is the spurs old core not only sacrificed on the court allowing the young talent to play more & shine … but also sacrificed off the court by taking less money in particular duncan and ginobli who took about sign extensions that paid them during their latter part of their careers with the org to half of what they were paid during their “prime years” during the second half of the 2000s & first few years of the 2010s but around 2012 or 2013 … again they took hometown discounts to help the spurs financial flexibility
that’s not something i think this warriors older core is doing or has done … notably with klay who up until recently has tried to play the same way in terms of his shot selection as when he was in his prime and in terms of money he supposedly turned down what i think was a fair extension this past offseason in 2 years 48 million … and we don’t even need to get into the whole poole and green debacle from before last season started
I would keep Curry, Kuminga, Jackson-Davis, Podz. The rest would be up for trade under the right circumstances. If Kerr wants too much or doesn’t like this direction. He can go.
Klay doesn’t have to finish with dubs. Very few players do. Lol
Get Steph help. Win now. We’ll deal with the consequences after but we owe it to Steph
Well. Well. Hmmm 🤔
We’ve seen the vets go ⬇️
And the young guys ⬆️
It’ll be interesting about what decisions will be made by the front office.
I’m inclined to keep the young players…
What is the point in throwing away the future if Draymond keeps f*cking up, Klay and Wiggins stay playing like *ss, GP2 is always hurt and Steph is still flying solo? 😂
When all the pieces we have truly click, I really feel like we could win right now. The problem is the core(outside of Steph), not the youth.
If Draymond and GP2 can stay on the court and Klay+Wiggins get back into form then 90% of our problems are solved. CP3, Podz, Saric, TJD and Kuminga are a pretty damn good set of players in the back.
Win a chip? maybe not. be far better then what we have been? 100%
Lol…
Ask Hayward about his leg getting blown apart in a freak accident?
Ask Kyrie what the shape of the earth is?
Wow! Definitive proof that you can’t build through the draft, after you already built through the draft.
Also our 2nd timeline roster is not Jason Tatum and Jaylen Brown, who won 53 games and got to the ECF the year before *without* Hayward or Kyrie Irving. If you take the veterans off this team and let Kuminga and Moody play 40 minutes per game we’d be competing with the Pistons for the longest losing streak in the league.
There is only one timeline – Steph. At this point, we have 1 superstar and 10 role players. Everyone but Steph should be on the table – he’s a once in a generation player, we’ll probably never see his like again, and every season is now precious. Get the man some help. I’m fine with sending whoever and a pick for a Siakim rental. And with our cap situation, a rental is probably better for us. Can’t trade CP3 (or Klay) unless we get an expiring contract in return.
I genuinely could not make this decision, and wouldn’t want to be in the position to have to make it.
For many fans, trading the young group would feel like foresaking the future. And the majority of available trades would not necessarily launch us into contention, unless MDJ cooks immensely.
On the other hand, Stephen mf Curry.
It would be absolutely amazing and super cool if we could have the kind of superstar who stays on our team their entire career. But keeping Steph either means we have to find a way to contend until he retires or accept that we’re gonna have some rough seasons until he does retire (similar to Kobe).
This is a straw man argument imo. There is no two-timeline.
Wiseman was a straight up bust so when the Dubs forced him on the court when there were better vets (Looney) it annoyed everyone.
That’s not the case here. Now you have vets (Wiggs & Looney) who are playing so bad they need to be bench or traded.
Couple that with 3rd year player Kuminga and rooks Podz and TJD who are playing so well they are forcing the coaches to play them more.
> just ask the Boston Celtics how it went having Kyrie Irving and Gordon Hayward playing with Jaylen Brown and Jayson Tatum
They only had Irving and Hayward both for 2 seasons. In the first one, Hayward played part of one game due to injury. The next one, they made the conference semifinals. I’m not sure the experiment was as big a failure as that writer says, and even more I don’t think the example has much relevance to our situation.
**Edit:** As for the question: I need names. Sacrifice the young players for who?
I will trade 100 draft picks for that fifth ring
When you have a generational player, you go for broke every chance you get.
I would sell everyone in the old core except Steph. He was the past, the present and is still our future. Surround him with youth and see what he does. If nothing comes of it, at least he will have a Kobe exit. And in the off chance that we do succeed, we will be set up for the future. Steph is the only one I care about and would make sure to keep happy, everyone else from the core has been compensated either with money or with patience and I would be okay with them ending their career now or somewhere else.