Bruce Brown pops in Toronto Raptors debut & dissecting the Pascal Siakam trade w/ Locked On Pacers

Bruce Brown pops in Toronto Raptors debut & dissecting the Pascal Siakam trade w/ Locked On Pacers

On your Friday episode of Locked on Raptors we have a crossover chat with Tony east of locked on Pacers all about the Pascal SE yakum trade plus maybe the Raptor should just keep Bruce Brown you are locked on Raptors your daily tono Raptors podcast part of the locked on podcast Network your team

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Toback a fun spirited back and forth game that came down to the wire and we’ll dig into a quick good bad and H on that game because the main meet of today’s show is going to be a crossover chat with Tony East from lockon Pacers

One of my favorite dudes to chat with on the lockon network and we went uh you know pretty good long while talking about the trade from both sides to you know see aam’s fit with Indiana why it’s such a great fit over there the return for the Raptors Bruce Brown Jordan War

All that uh but yeah let’s just rattle off a quick good bad and H from the game last night just to summarize the thoughts for completionist sake I was going to do an episode last night and then I forgot I had a men’s league basketball game during the game and had

To catch it on PVR late and so no time to do a pod but that’s fine we here we’re here to talk about it now the good for me from this game is Bruce Brown that dude rocks he comes in having landed in Toronto he said around you

Know noon one o’clock yesterday doing all the physicals getting ready to go and he jumps in cold shades of PJ Tucker after a long day of travel jumping into the lineup and has a clean 15 points on on 7 to 10 plays 25 minutes closes this

Game uh seven boards and assist to Steel a plus 11 overall really really fun stuff from Bruce Brown to start and man does this dude just know how to play basketball like alltime good knows where to stand guy and you can see the fiber of a guy who is just like every single

Bit of him is excellent role player excellent glue guy guys who guy who ties things together and for me like I’ll get it this in the H but like there’s no reason not to keep Bruce Brown around but I really liked his performance and I thought the fit with Scotty Barnes that

Instant chemistry was very exciting my bad from this game is the I think to be expected mistakes and turnovers from one Scotty Barnes who otherwise was Bloody freaking fantastic in this basketball game it is a bad in title only and not in spirit whatsoever because Scotty Barnes had me feeling feelings last

Night with what he was doing on both ends of the floor against the Chicago Bulls 317 and six three steals in three blocks 11 of 18 shooting this is the type of stuff that Scotty Barnes is now going to have the platform to do and is

Going to be asked to do regularly and pretty cool for him to do it on a TNT game get that sort of national exposure all that good stuff really fantastic stuff from Scotty Barnes but we also saw the dark underbelly of a very young basketball team and a star player who’s

22 years old and getting accustomed to that role which was six turnovers to go with his six assists a couple of mistakes down the stretch that led to turnovers and missp possessions and all of that stuff not really worried about it whatsoever that’s just par for the

Course when you are having a new guy get acclimated to being a clear number one without a pascal SE yakum there to support without the defense of an ogan and Obi there sort of helping out on the floor as well um you know things are going to come for Scotty Barnes I’m

Certain of it and uh really really encouraging stuff even with the turnovers which are again the bad I guess but I didn’t really feel like there was all that much bad from this game to really pull and I’m feeling pretty good about where things head hated how things went with the Pascal SE

Yakum situation hated how it was handled didn’t think it was necessary don’t love the return but there’s it’s undeniable that what lies ahead for this team is pretty interesting and exciting and uh you know Scotty Barnes obviously is part partial to all that he’s very very good

And he showed that very much last night and my hm I referenced it before Bruce Brown just keep the dude man I I I think you know obviously we’ll see going into the deadline I’m sure there’ll be a hot market for him maybe they land a couple

Of first round picks in a player or whatever it might be or or a player I don’t know you getting two first in a player for him probably not he’s Bruce brown but contenders will certainly be circling the waters looking to grab him I just think man you know MSI jiri’s

Press conference yesterday yes he did indicate oh yeah more moves are coming but I also think if you listen to the whole breadth of what he said I don’t get the impression that this team is looking to tear things down all that much further I think they View getting

Those picks in the SE yakum deal and quickly and bear it as sort of the launch point for whatever this team can be now and you know he even mentioned that we’re probably not taking all those picks in the draft coming up this June um I think you know trades coming could

Mean lots of different things and I do think they’ve probably already moved into a mode where if an opportunity for an additive trade comes along that bolsters the Scotty Barnes Supporting Cast going forward they will do that even if it’s viewed as like a quote

Unquote win now or buying move I I think the way this front office operates is if they can get a good player at a thing they at a value they deem to be good they’re going to make that trade regardless of whether the consensus thinks it’s the right time to add a

Player of whatever ilk at a given time uh I I think Messiah yesterday made it kind of seem like you know in the interest of getting players around around like get around Scotty Barnes to build this thing with like they’re going to be proactive they’re going to be

Thoughtful they’re going to sort of scour the market and I don’t think they’re just going to eagerly strip Parts away that clearly fit with Scotty Barnes and man oh man does Bruce Brown ever fit with Scotty Barnes we saw a return of Bruce Brown the screening and Diving Center last night and scoring

Some buckets out of that um lots of different inter interactions between him and Scotty on the floor and I think their chemistry is so obvious because they’re both just really smart basketball players they’re seeing things on the same level Bruce Brown is just like a really really nice dude with all

Of the intangibles on top of just being a cool ass mfer who I’d like to root for the team that I like watching every night play for my basketball team um I’d be cool with that I I just think there’s got to be there shouldn’t be a rush here

To just move Bruce Brown because the general consensus thinks that that’s the thing to do he’s 27 years old he’s on a very valuable contract whether it’s this year or next is an expiring he is a guy who again fills a lot of gaps he fits with every one of the Raptor guard

Iterations that you can come up with he fits with quickley he fits playing with Barrett he fits playing with schruder in lineups um he can scale down and play the three if you need him to again he can cplay as a small five on the offensive end there’s a lot to like

About Bruce Brown and for me we’ve been watching this team have a dir of guard play for years now and now they have a surplus of it and it kind of rocks I’m not exactly itching to see that taken away because guard play is incredibly valuable for Player Development we’ve

Seen this time and time again the G league in particular if you have a really good lead guard in the G League that is going to be conducive to development for the rest of your players the same goes in the NBA the Raptors were awesome at developing players yes

Because they drafted good players and you know had a good development staff but also because like Kyle Lowry is just like a cheat code for Player Development or was a cheat code for for player development during his time with the Raptors having good guards is great and

The Raptors now have a gaggle of good guards and that’s awesome and I don’t think they should be rushing to go and find the first deal for Bruce Brown you can trade him at the draft if you want to you can trade him in the summer you

Can trade him at next year’s deadline or you can let his next deal expire have his bird rights and sign him up to a more Team friendly deal that’s a little bit more sort of in line with what his actual Market places as opposed to the balloon payment he got for the Pacers

Last summer um so my H is just like what they do with Bruce Brown here it seems as though there’s a little bit more sort of I don’t know from what I heard from MSI yesterday talking about Bruce Brown and what he does as a winning player hearing you know about Darko talking

About you know all the different stuff he likes about Bruce Brown as like a cutter and the way he fits into the offense I think there’s actually a pathway here for Bruce Brown to be a part of this solution around Scotty Barnes and to me if you pass the fits

With Scotty Barnes test you should have a pretty good case of sticking around long term um also you know Bruce Brown paid jonte Porter a whole whack of money to get his number 11 do you do that for eight games I don’t know uh really good

Point made to me by uh Brett on Twitter uh you know really a smart call maybe that’s not something that you do if you know you’re going to be at the door and eight games maybe there’s some sort of conversation being had there I have no

Idea but uh Bruce Brown keep that dude around that guy rocks all right we’re gonna come back on the side we’re gonna get into our chat with Tony East from lock on Pacers breaking down the trade from both sides of the equation and I hope enjoy that it’s coming up in just one

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Halbert and Pascal seak and Indiana Pacer Kyra Lewis Bruce Brown Jordan war or Toronto Raptors I’ve been talking about it alone Sean’s been talking about it alone now it’s time to do it together I’m Tony East with locked on Pacers and he’s sea Woodley with locked on Raptor

Sean you took out the best part of your Twitter bio without telling me which was naps at couch I think it’s been fun for a while how are you sir are you sleeping enough after a sad trade for the Raptor’s franchise yeah like depression sleeps

Yeah you know it’s like oh it’s 3 in the afternoon I could like be productive but I’m sad so I’m going to take a sad nap yeah that’s where I’m at right now also at couch still still still putting up numbers over there at couch but yeah um

Pascal cakam drafted by the Raptors beloved homegrown Talent all NBA level player beautiful players Tribune ch story this morning for those who have not read it yet if this is out Saturday for you go back to his Twitter feed to find it he I’ll be reading it before my

Depression nap today uh just to get me Juiced up and ready into the mood he is now an Indiana Pacers Sean which is wild to say one what was your reaction to the trade and two how do you anticipate him fitting with the Pacers because I’ve seen you among many people beating the

Drum that he’s one of the more underrated players in the league it feels like people talk about him different than his actual skill set yeah yeah he’s like underrated both in like the national media circles and also I think among Raptors fans it’s kind of wild um it’s it’s one of those rare

Double-edged swords of being underrated yeah I mean the reaction to the trade for me I I you know it felt like it was coming I wasn’t surprised that it went down the Shams reporting the night before was kind of the first substantial thing we saw uh about the deal maybe

Coming down and you know it made it feel kind of real that this was going to happen and look my sort of stance on things was I didn’t think the Raptors had to do this I think they could have very comfortably just extended him and either traded him down the line when his

Value would not have been clearly much worse than it is to get what they got now um you know they got three first round picks that are going to be kind of bad picks and maybe one player that they’ll have around for the Long Haul if

That or they’ll trade Bruce Brown by the deadline it’s one way or the other um so you know I think they could have just kept him around and had him kind of see what it looks with Emanuel quickley and RJ Barrett and Scotty Barnes it’s a different team than it was three weeks

Ago the team before the OG an anobi trade wasn’t working and I think it was right to move OG but I think there was a pathway here for the Raptors to reconcile things with Pascal seak and keep him around obviously they had different ideas and they basically telegraphed their intentions from day

One you know throughout the offseason where they reportedly ghosted him entirely for the entire summer and then didn’t have extension talks and then had weird veiled shots at him being selfish on media day it was just kind of all clearly trending towards this happening and so considering the circumstances

They were in where I think they maybe held on too long or you know got too cute with the extension not extension thing I think they did fine considering the sort of corner they painted themselves into them but that doesn’t negate them painting themselves into the

Corner like that has to be part of the evaluation of this trade um so yeah like am I thrilled with three not very good first round picks two of which are in a draft that everyone is panned to be universally terrible um and look there will be good players I’m sure that come

Out of it but you know it’s not EX exactly chocked full of dudes people are very excited about am I happy that it’s three first round picks that are going to be probably in the 20s and three guys and brown Kira Lewis and War who maybe

Stick around probably don’t like no I I don’t think that’s enough for a two-time lnba player in Pascal seak and to the fit question I think he’s gonna fit freaking beautifully with Indiana man do I for years on my show and I feel like we’ve talked about this in crossovers in

The past I have been pining for the assemblage of a pascal seaka Miles Turner front Court Miles Turner was like my Moby Dick like just get that dude on this team with Pascal SE yakum somehow and that is going to be a front court that cooks and now you know in a weird

Turn of Fate you get that happening in Indiana I think that’s going to be a killer front Court Duo the spacing that Turner is going to provide and just like the general amount of space that the Pacers provide is going to be like a whole new world SE aum’s going to be

Stepping into a different planet when he walks on the floor with the Pacers he’s been playing inside a phone booth with the Raptors for years with a lack of shooting you know teams there were some clips going around yesterday of SE yakum on offense for the Raptors where there

Were literally five opposing defenders in the paint surrounding him on numerous possessions from from over the course of the last handful of years it was a pretty recurring theme and he still made it work he’s having an incredibly efficient season he’s got 60% true shooting he’s like a two-point machine

He’s shooting like 58% on twos his three-point shot has been waxing and waning but it’s been waxing big time over the last month or so he’s just going to fit so wonderfully on this team and the best players the best player type for SE yakum to play with has

Always been a pull-up shooting guard uh you know there were some good moments with Fred Van vet and Kyle Larry Pascal SE yakum two-man game back in 201920 was instant buckets the Raptors were the number two clutch time team in the NBA That season and they basically did it by

Running SE yakum Lowry or Lowry SE yakum inverted pick and roll all season long and they were nails and so him and tyres halberton the space he’s going to be working with the fact that halberton doesn’t have to do everything as a Creator anymore I think on offense in particular it’s going to

Take the best offense in the league and make it even more potent and hard to stop and I think more playoff proof as well which I think is a really important thing yeah the the halberton part I’ll get to in just a second but you nailed

The lead of this that I think is so fascinating Sam amch reported this I don’t know if you read this but like SE yakum has talked about that the top two guys he would want to play with to fit with him in a front Court one was Kevin

Durant duh he’s pretty and two was Miles Turner of like every player in the league which is crazy to me but they are a very natural fit in the front Court in terms of the spacing the defense you know Turner can can defend at a level that apparently seak really likes he can

Stretch out the lane Miles Turner went on the record talking to Sam mck this week in Sacramento which was fantastic but I think that is really fascinating one that he’s thought about that already and two that it’s now a thing that his dream front Court partner now on his

Team especially because hey they have to resign Pascal SE yakum in four five six months whenever they have to do that I don’t care about math right now but I think that’s a fascinating part of this is that what he used as the best fit for

Him and his skills in the front court is now his running mate there and you just mentioned it I think Caitlyn Cooper the the goat the way she described it as like he’s a piece of paper he just fits through like every gap on the floor with

The basketball and now the gaps are going to be enormous you could drive a car through lots of them with Miles Turner and tyres Halbert on the floor thing to you nailed is I don’t want to step on Kyle arry’s toast amazing player um would you say that Tyrus alurn is the

Best passer SE hakam’s ever played with yeah I mean I think Scotty Barnes has a case but halberton is a way more refined you know lead Creator at this point right like he’s just and man the hit ahead stuff like get ready Pascal cakam

Has made a name as like one of the best transition finishers in basketball going even back to to his first season as a rookie where he started because of a freak injury to Jared Sullinger uh he started the first like 40 games of his career and basically only ran the floor

And finished hit aead passes from Kyle Larry who was doing his best Jaylen Hertz cosplay the entire time it was awesome um and like that has always been a SE yakum thing he has been just devastating as a transition finisher his entire career this year working with Scotty Barnes in particular like those

Two run of the break together was instant buckets and I think it’s going to be very much the same with halberton like the the offensive fit I have zero questions about oh but Pascal doesn’t shoot threes at 38% who cares man he does everything else incredibly well and

You know he can still knock down a corner three he can do that stuff but I think the way he’s going to suck defenses in is going to just benefit everyone working around him and you’re gonna get like a way like a way higher volume of catch and shoot stuff for

Halberton you’re gonna get a way higher volume of catch and shoot stuff for healed like it’s just going to be this amplifying effect to all the shooting they already have on this team to have someone who can plunge into a defense and score and also playmake from that

Spot seak has been like a five assist guy you know for the last like four or five years he’s a really underrated playmaker as well it’s just such a clean offensive fit stealing all my points yeah okay the shooting’s funny he’s like what 34 and a half% the last six years

Of his career like yeah he’s like a slightly below average three-point shooter in the net right like he’ll have up down up Seasons up and down seasons and he’s like 40% the last two months something crazy um he’s gonna this is hilarious but this is just the Pacers

Roster he’s the worst shooter in the rotation now yeah right like he doesn’t need to make that many threes um but you nail that he’s still efficient because he makes everything inside the arc I think he’s at like 77% of the rim this season which is like a f that’s a fake

Number right that’s not like an actual thing um and the thing okay there’s two things we have to get to before we get to the Raptor side of this one is I think his biggest contribution in terms of being a Creator is when Hal’s not in the game right like obviously they’re

Going to pair well and and him scoring next to Halbert is going to be like a cheat code but they already have the best offense in the NBA like there’s only so much you could add to that but when halbert’s off I’m having another guy who’s like like if they stagger

Those guys they’re guaranteed to have a good offense all the time and I think that’s really significant so even though I think their pairing is obviously fantastic the fact that yakum can put it on the floor get his own shot is a huge deal for the Pacers to add that level of

Player to their team and he can pass which is something else I’ve been banging the drum on the Pacers of is they need a second guy to do that kind of stuff as much as they have guys who can not all of them can do it consistently or every game right they

They they have a lot of talent miles Turner’s been a good second guy a lot of the time mine’s done it sometimes Aaron E Smith’s done it sometimes right but having one like oh this is who’s doing it every game is the last thing last question for me before we get to Raptor

I have characterized his defense as average yeah on this show this week what did you say that’s correct too high too low is it waning where do you stand on that yeah he’s not the defender he used to be right if you go back to the bubble

For which he’s much maligned for having a rough offensive run against the Celtics in particular and like rightly so he was really bad on offense in that series he was also like that was one of the single best runs of Defense I’ve ever seen a Toronto Raptor play he made

Lineups that featured Kyle Larry Fred Van vet and Norman Powell one two and three viable against the Boston freaking Celtics in the playoffs because he was that good as a backline help guy as a backline rim protector as a small ball five he’s not that guy anymore he he

Does not have the same juice as a Defender but I do think a part of his drop off this season can probably attributed to the fact that there was a giant cloud of uncertainty hanging over this team and his future and it was pretty clear he wasn’t really in the

Long-term plans we saw this happen with ogan and Obi the last month or so before he got traded to the Knicks he was basically quiet quitting on defense then he goes to the Knicks and all of a sudden the best defense in the NBA and Tom Tibido is like scream scaming and

Joy of oh my God I have a single like a oneman defense to play with this is incredible like I would imagine there’ll be a bit of an uptick for seak in terms of the effort and stuff on defense coming to the Pacers and he’s like a

Smart Defender I’d say he’s not like gonna be a sexy box score guy he’s not going to rack up the blocks he’s going to get you know your a steal a game maybe but he’s just like a smart rotational guy if you’re sending two to the ball he’s really good at being that

Second guy with his length kind of making those passes out of double teams really difficult um you know I I think another thing too is he’s gotten really good as just like a guy who can be in front of like a slippery Wing or a slippery guard and kind of switch on in

Those situations and be totally fine and passable he’ll get blown by sometimes here and there but I think for the most part he’s pretty quick laterally and can stay in front of guys you know he’s not a bad Defender by any means he’s I think average with peaks of pretty good I I

Think is how I’d kind of describe him and I would hope that there will be more Peaks for this Pacers team where you know he’s playing next to a rim protector who makes a lot of sense and he’s going to be asked I think to do

Quite a bit on the defensive end playing next to Aaron nemith I think will be helpful as well like n Smith seak Turner Turner as a three four five don’t mind that at all as a sort of a defensive core for your team the Pacers are still

Not going to be an amazing defense but seak gives him a chance of being passable for sure you know filling in that spot better than Obi toppen that’s for sure since the Pacers lost now Raptor Legend thus young and I have a question about him for you in a minute

Their their starting Force have been like sabonis and Justin holiday and Obie toppen and Jaylen Smith it’s like these are fine players but like not not good four Defenders Pascal sakam is a fine four Defender so one that helps that alone and two now everybody else is naturally playing the correct position defensively

More often which I think is just as important as siakam’s impact alone let’s talk Brucey B let’s talk Jordan wara let’s I guess talk about Kyro Lewis although I can’t really talk a lot about him but before we talk about any of those people we got to talk about the lovely folks

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His famous quote that he does on every team he goes to where he says I like it here because my teammates aren’t buttholes I I feel like maybe that happened a couple years ago the Raptors last couple seasons have been like a malaise of sadness so I don’t really

Like retain a lot of these things it’s just kind of like a blur uh I’m sure you know he look the team also had like weird Vibes last couple Seasons maybe it wasn’t warranted for him to say that I hope it’s in there somewhere I’ll have

To go back in the backlog to see if he did but yeah uh we love that and now he’s like playing basketball for the team again which is bizarre but kind of fun he’s like throwing down dunks and whatnot playing small ball five doing it you know medium effectively but it’s

Been uh you know it’s been a treat having that around it just as like a guy it’s it’s always nice to have a dude like that that young teammates aren’t butth holes Google search turns up that he said it about the Bulls and the Pacers and the Spurs I certainly hope

The Raptors have no but if not that speaks to the culture decay in Toronto over the last many years a real crying shame uh Tony maybe I take the Reigns here and kind of Grill you on some of these uh Pacers dudes coming over to the

Raptors in this trade I mean I guess first like what was your reaction and what is sort of like the general consensus reaction to this trade because look I I think I’ve made it clear I’m not thrilled with the return it also seems from a lot of the stuff I’ve read

From you know people not like yourself or Caitlyn Cooper who know what they’re doing um like it seems like there’s been a lot of really three first round picks for Pascal SE yakum that seems like a lot there’s like sticker shock to it without really looking at the context of

What those picks look like or looking at the context of what Pascal SE yakum is as a basketball player and for me like and I say this as lovingly as possible if you don’t like this return for the Pacers where they didn’t give up any of their promising young players to get

Pascal cakam on their team I kind of think you’re a lunatic am I like agree with me on this I do here here’s my biggest thesis of why I think the value is good just bear with me right the Pacers are already good this year right

So the two picks they’re trading to the Raptors this year are maybe in the bottom 10 of this draft let’s pretend that the next couple years don’t go so well for some reason and so in 2026 they have Tyrese halberton at age 25 and then like a mat team even that’s gonna return

What the 17th pick yeah 18th pick right so so the best asset the Raptors got in this trade potentially is the 18th pick in 2026 possibly I’m like that’s a fantastic trade like right to me that there you know and they protected the top picks like I think the best stuff

The Raptor could get would be like the fourth pick in 2026 or seven or something so I think yeah I think the value is fantastic that’s why I think that it’s not so scary to give up three firsts because one of them is not their

Own and it’s the worst of OKC Lac and they’re both awesome right so even the risk that one of them falls off okay the other one’s still good so that one’s going to suck and then the other two are eh you know I think Zack low talked

About this I’m sure you heard about this when he was talking about the Raptors when they traded OG it’s like people are gonna be like they could have got three first and they got quickly instead it’s like how good are not all picks are the same not all firsts are created equal we

Have to tattoo this on everybody’s forehead who follows the NBA please and Quickly’s great he’s really good yeah right so yeah as like that draft that draft pick could be anybody it could even be a man ual quickly right God we’re so brain poisoned it’s ridiculous anyway so that part alone I’m

Like okay that’s good and you nailed the other part that’s important is if they if their team clicks now that’s great they’re already good if they still feel like they need another piece to get awesome hey they still have Ben ma jarus Walker Aaron n Smith Andrew nard and two

Tradeable firsts to like do that and Obi toin and jayen Smith and it’s like they’re it’s fine it’s just fine like how did the Raptors not even get Obie toppen in this trade a guy who is now blocked by Pascal SE jarus Walker now blocked by Pascal seaka presumably for

The next four or five years like it’s just it’s yeah that what kind of nudes of messiri does Kevin Pritchard have Tuesday night would we only had heard the sh Shams Amic report my guess on lockdown Pacers was that Obie was going to be some of the salary sure yeah

Before we not even J Smith yes get before this Kyro Lewis part which that’s cool I can’t tell you anything about him I think the Raptors designed with the G league today there we talked about Kyro Lewis great covered check the box we’re good so yeah I was you know you see

Three first and you know everybody’s gonna go like make that face like but I think it’s a great trade for the Pacers value-wise given they keep him and given it’s not crazy uh it might have to be the Pistons are gonna they have a lot of c space the

Sixers have a lot of c space and that’s unique right a good team but presuming the Pacers can keep him which every Insider has suggested that that’s going to be the case um then yeah it’s fantastic I think and as as you know Jordan wara and Bruce Brown and Kyro

Lewis are all expiring contracts like no long-term value loss there either so yeah the return I think for the Pacers is very good as you’ve seen on the other side yeah I mean you got to have like in the NBA if you’re going to be a real

Team you’re going to probably have two Max guys and are the Pacers going out and shopping at the very top of the market for Max guys ay no because free agency’s dead and PAs LC Hawk is the best free agent this season anyway assuming Paul George Signs on and and B

Like again like you’re the Pacers like this is no shot against you know everyone every Pacers fan knows it’s the same plight the Raptors have you’re just not signing high-end free agents if even if they resign him it’s the best signing in Pacers assist exactly right

And I also think like the fear of what SE yakum is going to age like on his next deals may be a little overblown as well like he’s already had a bit of an athletic Decline and it has not affected his offense whatsoever it’s affected his defense sure but he’s just on offense

He’s craft he’s gu he’s angles he’s like a really he’s kind of like big man Demar de rozan frankly like there’s a lot of similarities between those two former Raptors Legends and Demar is aged beautifully because he’s crafty he’s just like he’s got the old man game

Pascal SE yakam is going to be schooling dudes at the Y when he’s 55 with his old man game and I think at the very worst he ages by the end of this contract into being something slightly less than a max player sure but I don’t think he’s going

To like fall off a cliff by any means he’s been very durable throughout his career for the most part even with a couple of big injuries they’ve kind of happened in the offseason or early in seasons and stuff like that and he’s been able to return uh you know he led

The league in minutes over the last three seasons combined like he he racks up the minutes he plays a ton and he usually stays pretty healthy I I think you know yeah maybe by the end of his deal when he’s 33 34 he’s not the same

Player he is now but you got at least two or three years of I think Prime pasel cakam left and then you know you’ll still have Tyrese halberton who’s going to be giving you way more than the the the surplus of max value or whatever we’re talking about here and they also

Have all these young guys who can fill in and be sort of Cheaper role players on the margins as well I think it’s just uh it’s it’s a perfect fit all around let me ask you about some of the guys coming to the Raptors here uh you know Bruce Brown obviously my

Question is he the coolest player in the world uh I like one game in I’m infatuated I hope the Raptors don’t trade him um you know I got got into this a little earlier on the episode on the solo part I do um so if you’re on

The Raptor feed you hear my thoughts on why they should just keep Bruce brown but uh you know he just seems extremely rad I can’t imagine it was like a thrill for the Pacers to give up on a guy like that I know he hasn’t been incredible

This season and maybe hasn’t been worth the 22 million Buck balloon payment but uh he just seems like a pretty awesome dude to have around and a guy who just knows how to play basketball yeah okay here’s my 22 million argument if you know when you’re signing a guy that you

Have to clear the salary floor and you could trade him for Pascal seak I think he’s worth every right okay you saw the peak why I’ve been higher on Bruce Brown than Pacers fans game from him against the Bulls last night okay he he can do a

Lot of stuff right with theti was a which is crazy because he’s short with the Pistons he was like this weird cutting Wing everything’s weird with the pistons and with the Nuggets he was a backup wi guard so he’s kind of played every role his whole career so you could

Put him out there in a lot of ways and expect good things and so what that leads to is a lot of times it’s like you get Andy’s a good Defender so you can have him out there in so many lineups so many roles and he’s gonna give you

Positive value where fans got down on him with the Pacers is he was playing through this knee injury in in December and his shooting splits dropped a lot and admittedly not making shots is a bad thing but sure like like cut that out of it right from the time he from the

December 4th to when he left and stopped playing because of his injury he shot 39% for 10 games like it was rough but the thing that always impressed me about him and I think is why I value him as a player more than other people is he

Doesn’t mess up right he does not make like he’s out of position and lost on defense mistakes he’s clogging up the paint on paint on offense mistakes he’s over dribbling or under dribbling or his his timing’s off like he doesn’t mess up and he doesn’t turn it over that much

His turnover rate with the Pacers was pretty low it’s always been like the last three years about 10% and then he goes to the Raptor’s first game of course he made shots so it looks good but 15 points seven rebounds one assist zero turnovers didn’t mess up that much

He’s been on the team for you know a skip and a hop right like that is just Why I value valued him as a player so much is he can defend and he doesn’t mess up he’s just smart and headyy and I think that’s really valuable as a player

And the shot might come and go it’s not his strength but because he can play wear so many hats and not mess up you could do anything with him yeah I think you know you don’t happen into becoming an extremely essential player on the NBA champions by accident right like he’s

Like an elite knows where to stand guy which is like a really important test to pass a so valuable yeah like look man the NBA I know we all just want all the stars and all the dudes who do the points and all that like you got to have

Glue you got to have connectors you got to have guys who Grease the wheels for others who can finish plays who can do the SMART stuff that keep possessions moving and Bruce Brown very much does all that on top of just being extremely cool and rad like he’s like did did he

Wear a cowboy hat last night he did not he wore a Colorado Avalanche hat which also oh he loves the ABS he’s got an ABS Jersey too there you go perfect yeah that’s uh I mean look man he he’s I think around similar ages to us a little

Bit younger but that was that was the team man the team with the purple and the that was the cool team back in the day I understand that again Great Taste Bruce Brown country music hockey he’s G to fit into anywhere he goes right um and everyone hates the Leafs this year

So I don’t think it would be mad he has different uh like allegiances hockey wise either let me ask you about Jordan War to get out of here um obviously you know lost his rotation spot a little bit this season with all of the different forward depth they have had there Obi

Top and and you know on down the line he had a nice little run of 24 games last last year where he put up numbers on a Pacers team that wasn’t really doing a whole lot down the stretch obviously um where you at with Jordan wara and his

Potential to be a piece for the Raptors obviously his deals up at the end of the season it’s going to be kind of audition time for him here with Toronto they need a 68 Wing they just traded all of the ones they had and like so now that he’s

Like kind of filling a vacuum there um you know I I think he’s probably going to get some run in some bench looks here for the Raptors but uh Curious you know is there any sort of optimism you can share for Toronto Raptors fans to feel

Good about the addition of Jordan War as part of this trade optimism he can score he can freaking put the ball in the basket right his whole career even with the bucks when he won a championship like those guys were like yeah dude we know that Jordan’s a great offensive

Player you know and that that 24 games he had after being traded to the Pacers last year when he was in the rotation he was like starting some times and scoring 15 points every night like he was really good on inside the arc his passing was better like sometimes it just takes

Opportunity and he clicks he’s not a good defensive player you know that is where his weakness lies he’s not the quickest dude he lost a bunch of weight this past summer I think he got down to like 210 25ish which helped him play the three and the four which is pretty

Valuable um but he still has work to do on that end but I mean he that dude can make shots from like anywhere right and that is of course a valuable is thing in the NBA for a minute until tyus hurn was like oh yeah I’m the best player ever he

Had the Pacers franchise record for points in a quarter right 25 in the third quarter in Atlanta like he can just go up that’s the kind of player he is so you know if you can refine his defense or positioning he could be really interesting as like a bench

Forward I think he can be on a bad team right now uh he’s just got to be a better Defender because his offense even this year it’s down and he’s still had some nice games uh playing and and I I always kind of feel for guys like him

Who have an established trash track record because trash record trash record I feel bad for that one track record because now when he plays because he’s not in the rotation he’s like trying to prove himself right so like you’re not it’s not natural he was good for the

Pacers last year but like they drafted jerus which makes sense and then if you can get Obi to in for two crappy seconds like you do that so even if those weren’t like plan A and B for the Pacers just fell into their lap that they got

Good fours so they’re not gonna play him over those guys which they shouldn’t so he didn’t do anything wrong it just it just stunk for him that he couldn’t play anymore which is gutting but yeah he’s a pro he had a good game last week and I

Think one of his last games they played the Wizards it was the wizards but he played well for the Pacers um so I I I think he’ll be better than people expect with the Raptors but he’s certainly fighting for like proving he can belong long turn somewhere yeah that makes

Perfect sense uh I think that’s about all I got for you man I I feel like we’ve covered this from all angles I don’t know if you have any last parting shots or if you just want to take this thing out but I’ll I’ll hand it over to

You my friend Pascal might play for the Pacers against the the Blazers we’ll see his physicals done uh so Raptor fans and Pacers fans who want to see him perhaps tonight perhaps later we’ll see I know that’s not very enlightening but I’m gonna watch so much freaking Pacers

Basketball man I’m so excited oh man I’m gonna be a little sicko just watch sitting in for that Midwest stuff uh what’s like a what’s like a Indianapolis staple food I can eat while watching my new favorite team huh a tenderloin don’t laugh you eat tenderloin and I’ll eat poutine and

We’ll call it a day that’s that sounds fantastic poutine is overrated but that’s fine don’t the look it’s fine it’s no no no comment you can find Sha on the former app known as Twitter Woodley Shan and lock on Raptors you can find there as well daily podcast

Covering the Toronto Raptors as they enter a new era where Chris bue is the only player from their championship team very weird lock on Pacers is on Twitter lockon Pacers and I am there at Tony R East if you’d like to keep up with the Pacers and Pascal seum thank you all for

Listening to this episode of both of our shows we’ll both see you soon

In Episode 1560, Sean Woodley opens up with some quick thoughts on the Toronto Raptors’ 116-110 loss to the Chicago Bulls on Thursday night in a game that saw Scottie Barnes flash superstar promise with some to-be-expected mistakes as he gets accustomed to live as a true. no. 1, as well as a pretty fun debut for the newly acquire Bruce Brown, before welcoming in Tony East of Locked On Pacers for some talk about the Pascal Siakam trade. Off the top, Sean gives a quick Good (Bruce Brown’s tidy 15-7-1 debut), Bad (Scottie Barnes’ turnover troubles in another outstanding 31-7-6 outing) and Hmmm (reasons why the Raptors should just hang on to Bruce Brown). Then, Sean and Tony talk about Siakam’s incredible offensive fit with the Pacers and where he’ll figure into their defense before running through some thoughts on the price the Pacers paid to get the deal done, Bruce Brown’s additive skills, and whether Jordan Nwora has a shot at carving out a rotation spot with the Raptors.

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