Varsity Game. So, I know we shouldn’t rely on strange events to win, but I really feel like the referees should have called a technical foul on the White Team.
What happened:
Final quarter— We have 2 seconds left. Ball gets passed to White Opponent who holds onto the ball to run the clock. One, two, three of our Blue Kids charge at the White Opponent to seize the ball. No luck.
Buzzard sounds and within one second afterwards, the White Opponent shoves the third Blue kid and immediately throws the basketball at the BACK OF HIS HEAD. The kid got hurt from it. Even though this was after the Final Buzzard, that unsportsmanlike action should have allowed us to take foul shots. That’s not cool to attack the back of someone’s head with a ball.
I want to upload the video but dunno how… I’m still new to basketball and trying to support my step kid so I don’t know a lot. What do the rules say about something like this?
Tldr; varsity basketball opponent shoves and throws basketball to the back of another kid’s head within 1-sec after final buzzard sound
by Madame-General
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https://streamable.com/u90fxa
I think the video was able to be uploaded here if anyone cares to watch. It’s 16 seconds long.
Depends on your rules, idk. If that was before the buzzer it’s 100% a tech or flagrant
Am I missing something? The kid in blue shoulder checked the ball handler on white as the whistle was going off, then the kid in white throws the ball at him. It could be a double technical I guess? But the shoulder check is almost definitely a flagrant foul….
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This is varsity?
buzzard
if this is US high school it probably is nfhs and is in 2.2.4. Refs have jurisdiction until they leave the court. Best call is probably a double technical there. Or if the ref is tired and just wants to go home a no-call. Only way it is a call against white only is if ref misses the shoulder check by blue.
In my opinion once the game is over the game is over. I have had one or 2 games end with a fight (usually AAU) and nothing was ever retroactively done to the result. Once the horn blows the horn bkows. The kid bumps him he flings the ball. I’ve seen worse happen trust me. I’m talking fans storming the floor fighting lol
I wouldn’t want the W that way anyway. While what the kid did is lame, the more plausible thing is his them or the conference suspending him for a game. Also as a competitor I would circle this game on the calender and I would make sure this kid feels my presence in the first 30 seconds.
Not sure why there were down votes. Awkward situations are good to discuss and it’s nice to analyze game plays like this especially with video content! Hopefully, it could help other people in the future if they ever run into something after the final buzzard.
I’m new to basketball and just needed technical explanations. Thanks for those who took the time to reply!
Am an official – I’ll give you two answers – by the book vs. situational.
First context is that this is called a False Double Foul. There is a specific rule to address this exact situation, especially in a 1 or 2-point contest where the result could be affected by the ensuing free throws.
Second context is that Junior Varsity officials may not be aware of this (or may not care, as I will get to).
Here’s what happens:
The contact by blue occurred before the horn (not buzzard, not buzzer) sounded. Then white retaliated AFTER the horn. Officials do have jurisdiction after the final horn sounds – until they leave the premises.
BY RULE, the contact by blue is INTENTIONAL, because it occurs during a live ball. A technical foul is defined as “live ball non-contact” (such as yelling or throwing a basketball) OR “dead ball contact” (such as pushing or punching). I think the contact rises to flagrant as it’s excessive and has the potential for injury.
BY RULE, the retaliatory action by white is a TECHNICAL foul. It is non-contact dead ball action (after the horn sounds, the ball is dead.)
A false double foul is when a foul occurs, and a second occurs before the clock starts again – in this case, the second foul occurs after the end of the game (and before a potential overtime).
Because it’s an FDF, each foul carries its own penalty (if this were a double/simultaneous foul they would offset and no penalties).
SO, the proper next step would be to first to disqualify the blue player for a flagrant intentional foul and to administer two free throws to white for the penalty. IF white makes both free throws and goes up by 3 points, the game would be over. Blue could not tie the game.
IF, however, white MISSES one or both free throws, blue would have the opportunity to attempt two free throws for the technical foul by white.
If white misses both and blue MADE both, guess what – blue wins!
If white makes one and blue makes two, we go to overtime, and if white makes one and blue misses one, white wins.
HAVING SAID ALL OF THIS, the situational answer is that in a JV game, the officials are likely ready to get out of there and no one is going to argue if they rule that both of the incidents came after the buzzer, they offset, game over.
In a high level game or one with replay they should get this right and administer the fouls properly.