Miami Heat Are In Trouble After Blowout Loss To Celtics | Tobin & Leroy

Miami Heat Are In Trouble After Blowout Loss To Celtics | Tobin & Leroy

Morning everybody welcome on in it is Tobin and Leroy here with you 560 wqm hello Leroy chili Peppa my ass yeah do you let me ask you this I know they had Larry Bird but do you think just just hear me out on this oh boy do you

Think that the Payton Pritchard to Luke cornet alleyoop is the greatest moment in Boston Celtics fans history two intangibles going at it be celebrated forever jaop Luke cornette just just just Burying my night willy-nilly Dude Looks like he should be living on living at the base of a tree hey they

Shot however they wanted to shoot yep like they were 55% from three and they almost scored 150 yep now I don’t know what’s suppos telling him if we hit hit a rut in the season or whatever but under no circumstances is team supposed to Dam to score 150 they

Uhat they could have missed last night it was rough it was rough and embarrassing and they broke him down and I’ll take it when uh you know Tatum or or or or uh Jaylen brown or even porzingis is hitting threes watching a watching an 110 Luke

Cornette run that hurts you lied to me I I I’m sorry you know look I thought that you know my my my hope there Marcos was like all right this is where they’re gonna Guss and you want to know something they they tried they tried hold on hold on they tried to

Gussy up they they gave you let me ask you a question you think when Denver went back home Tobin and leero in Denver old toin is saying they tried they tried they tried what do you want me to say they gave up 143 they get they scor what kind

Of try please tell me they they scor that gives up 143 points what kind of try was there they oh they tried they tried offensively like they they’ve been barely scoring 100 they gave you a 64 in the first half that’s really hard for them yeah except the team scored 80 I

Know they didn’t have that kind of punch 80 points Dade s says has Tobin ever said I just don’t think they’ll win this game no not feeling great about Saturday no that’s not no no you’ve never come in here and said based on what I’ve seen they have no chance I I

Don’t know what like look here’s the problem with them and this is this is what comes down to it and where you like you take for granted certain things because you’re just like ah we lost to the buzzer to De jonte Murray ah we lost to the g-league Grizzlies and

You want to be cute after the game you like oh well it’s all going to come together and then the next night you have to take on the actual best team in the NBA and you know they you’re you’re you’re hopeful that Miami is just gonna

You know dial it in on an intensity but it doesn’t really matter because that team has been an absolute monster all year they’ve been killing everybody and so of course if you’re going to play like the way you’ve been playing you’re going to get absolutely like you said

Dump trucked by them um but you know reason you’re having your first five game losing streak in three seasons is because you lost to a g-league team the night before and you coughed up a four-point lead with 30 seconds left to the Hawks and you know if you’re going

To go have those kinds of lapses it’s gonna snowball on your ass and that’s what’s gonna make it feel even worse because I’ve seen the Heat lose like this before we’ve all seen how many times it felt like after that he beat the Bucks in the playoffs the Bucs came

And just throttled them and beat them by 40 nothing I haven’t seen before where like the Miami Heat just can’t keep up offensively and put like that’s nothing new to me I’m just like all right it’s going to be one of those nights but the fact that they put themselves in this

Position to allow that to be the exclamation point on a five-game losing streak is what makes it awful and uh yeah they’re scrambling right now man I mean I can’t believe they’re in a spot right now where they uh they don’t know who the hell is is

Supposed to take charge on offense they don’t compete on defense uh and when they do they can only do so for like a short burst to get themselves back into games but even if that’s the case then normally they’re like going on like I don’t know the other team’s going and

It’s like a slop Fest like 11 to 12 points per per quarter or something like that it’s brutal it’s brutal they’re playing they’re playing awful right now the only thing I can kind of compare this to in recent memory because I don’t really think last year’s uh a good comparison because

Things were going good for the Heaton looking like they were they were starting to go in the right direction but it feels very much like two seasons ago towards the end of the year where they had that that it was a four game losing streak and what happened was is

They lost to the Golden State Warriors Jordan P hits a one a one-legged three Jimmy Butler and SPO start fighting on the bench and you think ah this is rock bottom and it’s like no then they’re going to go loose to the Knicks and it’s like oh that’s gonna be Rock Bottom no

Then they’re gonna go loose to the Nets and they’re gonna have like terrible losses that’s kind of what this feels like right now they just feel lost right now they feel lost who do you like so like what’s the fix because I’m gonna tell you I’m gonna tell you right

Now from a organizational standpoint they’re probably looking at it’s like we we got to do something with this roster uh it’s impossible not to think that right um because here you can have your star saying what Jimmy’s saying right but you can’t have everyone else following suit thinking they can just

Turn it on when when they have to the thing I want to know with him is just like is this like does he really not have the authority to go in that locker room and tell everybody hey guys I’m G to take more than 10 shots per

Game because that’s what he’s been doing since he’s come back like does he really not have does he not think that he has the cache to just say I need more because like there’s this video of course that went viral last night of Duncan Robinson just completely missing

Him on a pass and you could just see Jimmy Butler just like do this in the corner like he’s fed up but like you’re Jimmy Butler he’s part of that too though you’re Jimmy Butler like I don’t know I you are you just going to let this happen it’s your team you’re the

Star you’re telling me you can’t take all the shots if you don’t want to you’re going to give them all to Tyler and Bam and to to Caleb Martin like it’s your team so I don’t know sh says I don’t think you can hear over Kyle Lowry’s

Laughter Oh yeah he’s got to be loving this like oh was my fault eh hasn’t been a great uh start to the Scary Terry era I mean not at least he looks like he’s moving around I mean he’s moving around want a scary stat sure this was on uh

NBA TNT yesterday took a picture of this through 44 games last year yep 24 and 20 through 44 games this year 24 and 20 the only difference thus far is the lineups that we’ve had which last year up until this point we had 19 different starting lineups this season a whopping

25 well 24 and 21 now this was the this was before worse okay even worse dude this feels Remnant no that’s definitely maros I definitely think that that is a huge thing that they have not had any consistency this year uh with the lineups with the the thing that I think

The thing that’s crazy about this is you know to lose to you lost haime hakz and it’s coinci but it coincided right with getting Jimmy Butler back how is losing haime hakz but getting Jimmy Butler back how should that be bad how should that how should that how should that equate

To your team being worse and the team yeah the team seems much worse than how how is that possible um and I don’t think it’s like I know people are I CH it up to energy right there’s certain guys on the floor and haime is one of those guys that plays with an

Extreme amount of energy and it kind of gets everybody in that in that kind of in that frame of mind where whereas when you have Jimmy and Bam and Tyler a lot of times it’s you know let’s run an offensive set oh no three seconds somebody Chuck it up and here’s the crazy

Thing here’s what pissed me off about all last night I’m watching this game they’re shooting mid mid-range jumpers and missing and the uh Celtics are shooting threes yeah so that’s been their diet all year and even and even if you make those okay you’re down by 20

Anyway so you got to do one or two things stop them from shooting threes or you got to shoot threes otherwise you ain’t gonna keep up at that clip no matter what you do you can have a very efficient day but everybody took that step right inside the

Three-point line and shot a long two wasn’t making him and it just looked awful awful dude lot of soul searching to do doesn’t get any easier searching they know do they no like when you searching you need to figure out what it is Jimmy Butler’s answer to this

Yesterday was we got to get back to having fun and then he was asked how do you do that I don’t know yeah but that sounds like a great here here’s the thing you guys were should be aware of in oppressor a lot of times you just say

The thing that sounds good not necessarily what it is didn’t think I follow up on that one no because because that’s like okay he didn’t think right pretty much we need to get back to having fun well you know what’s fun winning winning is fun so if

You win a couple games then is it safe to say oh we having fun now like no it’s just a whatever you got to play better losing a conchar is not fun yeah well what about the intangible to intangible alyo that wasn’t too great either Bob that hurt that hurt really that

Hurt that dude looks like a mythical creature Luke cornette that’s like that’s like me and Crow are losing because salana and and Hollywood did a alleyoop and beat him it hurt dude it hurt right it hurt still heating five but I mean it hurt heating yeah it was heating five

Losses in a row in a row right that’s heat and five Jesus Christ I like this heat and five no nobody does but the problem is is that when you watch the style of basketball they’re playing that basketball ain’t gonna compete with nobody because of the three-point shot

And everybody’s ability to shoot the three three point shot and you’re shooting 20 foot two-pointers Guardian Outpost says Tobin doesn’t want to say it but Jimmy’s the issue dwade gave it everything every night I mean dude nobody loves dwade more than me as a basketball player you’re just saying

Things that are false that’s just not true like obviously you don’t remember like post big three dwade where like the nights dwade could not die I just would listen to a podcast where where dwade was saying where Pat’s like you remember the thing I yelled About You Most At he

Goes getting back on defense like it’s just patly not true I get we I get it I knowbody it’s easy to say that now I know everybody I know everybody thinks that Jimmy Butler isn’t trying right now I do think he’s frustrated with you know a high and he

Has a part of it I’m not saying he’s blameless in it obviously he’s the number one paid player on the team he’s the star of the team it’s his team but the thing I’m confused about with him is how are him and SPO not saying like you

Know what you need to like you need to start taking the the the wheel of this ship and and putting it in your direction because they did the there was a there was a point last year after the All-Star break where he did that and it

Was his team and it did coincide with bam going through some offensive struggles too but if he doesn’t like the offense dude it’s your team go fix it fix it can I can I say this though in all the other incidents of situations where that’s happened with other

Players the one thing that they all had was another guy considered almost an equal to say you take it right this is your team whether it was with Shaq and dwade dwade and LeBron right who’s gonna do that to Jimmy you see what I’m saying Jimmy’s up

There by himself as far as who’s the who’s the guy that can go up there and say hey man go well he should be doing it himself but but again I just gave I just gave you for the same reason Shaq did it to dwade for the same reason

Dwade had to do it to LeBron dwade and LeBron when you’re talking about those scenarios d-wade’s 24 and LeBron’s 25 Jimmy’s 34 who needs to go up to a 34 year old and say Hey you know this is your team right but again who’s the equal on that team and say Jimmy let’s

Go you see what I’m saying I’m not and I’m not saying it as far far as telling them it’s your team or whatever right but the reality of it is is that when you look at a lot of these teams in all sports if you have a star that’s not

Kind of getting it or I won to say not the only thing the only other excuse I can give Jimmy that we may not know is that he just never that he just never came back right because the one thing if you want to use a d way comparison look

Guys you got to remember he’s 34 years old D way when he was 34 years old there’d be days where like he went through a season with a bone bruise on his knee and they look these are the games I talk about where like it just

Looked like d way didn’t have it just could him dust in the gear and it was never like a strain or anything like that so I don’t know maybe this is Jimmy Butler’s just like I’ve been through four finals runs four Eastern Conference Finals runs and he just never came into

The Year healthy and maybe he’s just not healthy I don’t know I don’t have an answer for it because it because he does yeah it look I know how bad it looks right now yeah but you can’t here here’s what I would say you can’t have it both

Ways you can’t say he’s the star and he’s the the guy making the most money on the team and hit your team and then say Oh but he’s 34 it don’t matter if if you thought it was going to be that much of a decline you would have had some

Different questions before that extension but clearly they thought hey for the next couple years he’s gonna be the guy yeah but that’s the thing but isn’t that the thing Leroy when you play with fire like this right when you’re a team in a Heat team that has basically

Nuked the importance of the regular season and you’re some of it some of it has has to do eventually maybe it will catch up to you but it’s I think from a mentality standpoint it’s got to be hard to ever feel like when you’ve played the

Entire time over the last two years of danger of like we’ll get it going we get it going and and you’re proven by you get it going when you get it going I don’t know how how hard it is to tap into that urgency I that’s why one of

The first things I said was is you think the front off and Pat are looking at this and saying we got to change somebody because we can’t have all these guys thinking the same thing his history of timeline because he talked about this before the season it’s things usually go

In fiveyear runs and that’s kind of you know you know right right and so I wouldn’t be surprised if it keeps going this way yeah could I would I be surprised that like he would take a Detonator to it no not really would I be surprised if they do one more trade to

Tweak things and bring in some different roll maybe do I miss haime hakz very much yes you did you ever think did you ever think when he got drafted no that in January of his first year you would be saying what you’re saying right now no okay I miss

Him and put yich back out there please but you you know but but again that might play into it right stop playing stop playing a bunch of six5 guys against the Celtics put yovic out there please oh my god well I mean what is yish gonna do yage hangs out on the perimet

He’s fun dude he’s just Vibes like he gets out there he gets on the break he passes the ball enough I think that might have a lot to do with it too when you have you need some if you want to push the pace there’s certain guys you

Have on your team pace is not going to be pushed take a break back after this all right welcome back o I’m just reading some stats from uh Simon Sperling that nobody scor 20 points basically in that category yeah yeah yeah that that that that’s become

The theme no I was just reading some of like just just how a mess things seem to be he Simon Sperling on Twitter go follow him heat now one and eight when Jimmy Butler has a usage rate under 21 Duncan Robinson this one is this is

My this is a my favorite one Duncan Robinson and J January when he plays 29 minutes or more Miami Heat 4-0 less than 29 minutes with Duncan Robinson one and eight Kay laar had his highest usage rate on the team versus the Celtics 27.7 heat 0 and3 when it’s 27 or

Plus Bam’s mid-range over the last 10 games three of 28 woo that’s a Sim go follow Simon that’s Simon’s Jesus Christ wow just a bad just a bad mix right now man o bad mix who would ever thought that dunks and Hai HZ or the key and love love and love

Love no love love you gotta play Thomas Bryan who I mean you want to talk about a Turn Style terrible uh let’s go to the locker room last night this was Jimmy Butler sitting in his locker discussing where the heat are at and uh see what

He’s got to say the five game losing streak is there something you see connective that’s led to this and where is the concern level because of that um I mean yes cuz certain don’t knowbody want to lose especially lose five games in a row but before you can even you know

Start thinking about winning games I just feel like everybody got to get back to having fun again yes losing is not fun winning is but if we ain’t playing with like some high energy and um smiling and all that good stuff it could get a lot worse the defense performance tonight

Just more the issues you saw that led to made shots I ain’t going to say we made a Miss but uh they made a whole bunch of Threes jimm me obviously um coach has been saying that first of all this is a humbling night but it feels like that a

Breakthrough is coming soon do you feel that same way you better feel that way um I mean you gotta win sooner or later right that’s the way I’m looking at it but uh we got to start doing things the right way on both sides of the ball and you know

Time’s gonna come I know that maros we got to feel that way eventually it’ll be here oh my god oh man D Sizzle says roier shooting must still be in Charlotte been a rocky start or maybe or maybe the guys on the guys on this team off on him maybe Chuck

Was saying last night he said it halftime he says he thinks it’s going to take a couple weeks but he thinks it’s a good move but I don’t know if they got a couple weeks ain’t got no choice now because yeah I mean what if there’s other

Changes Kenneth says that Jimmy is the one who looks like he’s not having fun yeah not shooting I don’t understand it and it’s not like he’s shooting poorly he just don’t shoot he learned that from Kyle Lowry dude what do you mean Lowry used to do that not shoot it’s like out

Of spite I know it is he did look like he was a little Fed Up When Duncan Robinson didn’t give him the ball last night telling you it’s out of Spike dude well what if Duncan’s looking at him saying you ain’t gonna shoot in no way

Why might as well go H and get mine man really well this is why I me hey 10 how many shots Jimmy have last night I think he was let me see what did he have 11 last time Marcos yes and it wasn’t enough Jimmy seven Jimmy Butler seven of

11 right so would you know got to the free throw line one time okay that’s not a Jimmy Butler game nope this has been like but this has been Jimmy this has been exactly what Jimmy but outside of that one game in Brooklyn where he got

To the free throw line a gazillion times which is the one game they’ve won since he came back uh no it hasn’t been Jimmy Butler but that’s been that’s been what he’s been last game 4-1 game before that five of 10 game before that eight of 10

Most shot he’s taken is 12 that was in the overtime game against Brooklyn which is crazy been Wild and the games that he doesn’t get to the free throw line that he get blown out right because when he he’s aggressive everybody else is aggressive he got to the free throw line

Once in the Boston game twice in the Orlando game where they got skunked and then the Toronto game he got there that was the game where he basically just shot threes I don’t know let’s hear more from Jimmy Butler no not at all I think the way

That the offense run the first three quarters was good but still not where we need it to be um you know we just got to be better in so many different aspects of the game My offense has been horrendous the past couple of games defense ain’t been too much better

Either but uh we’re in that cycle again once we’re not making shots or the offense isn’t going the way that we wanted to go we don’t play defense that’s a sa way yeah J real quick can you just kind of talk about what the inclusion of Terry to this team can

Really it can impact team going forward I mean I think it can be a positive thing a new face yes um the scoring that he brings the leadership that he brings um he’s played in the playoffs a bunch with the opposing team um and I mean he’s just a hell of a

Player he’s smiling he’s happy and I think that’s going to become very very contagious he’s gonna be the r leader for that all right he thinks the offense has been horrendous duh he wants a lot of smiling like what do we need do we need to like bring the

Circus in that like what would make him Happ it do I need to like bring Kane Brown like I think like you know padle tell what do you want do you want me to bring like you know do do I bring all of Nashville down here like what would make

You happy like what what exactly is going to get you in a in a better mood was dwade and Udonis hasm celebration yeah not emotional enough was that not enough of a uh a thing to tap into I don’t understand this we we need to get

Back to enjoying things and we need to uh look SPO I don’t know who needs to to tell you this because you’re a genius oh I will say things have kind of gotten flat since he signed that big contract oh my goodness are you he’s he played the button not

Me but one would have to ask I mean all of a sudden this monster contract did you not whisper get the get the button ready that’s what he said I know I didn’t said you bastard that’s what he said g Appo says you want Shakira on the

Coaching staff yeah what do you want what can we do to make you happy I mean you lose you can’t lose listen you can’t lose by 30 and your best player take 10 shots no every game since he’s been back what do you got to do what do we

Need to do we need to like hog tie Tyler in the back like what do we need to do to give you more shots we need to tell cayb Martin to calm down what do we need to do do we need to find people here’s the Jimmy here’s the other

Thing is that even with Jimmy taken 20 shots and getting 30 they’re still exchanging Twos for threes yeah but at least he takes efficient shots like he’s gonna go to the rim okay great add another 15 points to what he scored you can’t in this league exchange

Two that that that team that what last night was ridiculous it was ridiculous what he 55% from three I don’t want to talk about let’s hear more from Jimmy you brought Kyle in um sort of as your guy how tough is it to I didn’t

Bring kyin as my guy okay but okay but you guys were close friends um what was it like to have to go through this process and see him go yeah I motherfu probably text him right now honestly um that’s that’s my brother like I tell everybody uh basketball is not going to

Change the bond that um we have the bond that we both have with each other’s children um it’s always a family Vibe with him I can call him I can show up at his house at any point in time um basketball hasn’t defined me hasn’t defined him and it

Won’t what do you think he’s gonna text him roier lol I’m probably gonna text him right now Ira Lowry I don’t like have they not figured out the NBA yet all these stars have can go and talk to somebody but they ain’t gonna put it on them

Right Jim is like I didn’t make the deal for Kyle Larry yeah well kind of you did though wink semantic Samurai dude well you would know I would here’s let’s finish up what about need to change the energy game like this what is the first step to

Doing that as a leader I don’t know I I genuinely I cannot give you an answer for that I just know that we got to stick together through the good and through the bad um and I know that this will change this two Shall Pass however

You want to put it we’re G have to go out there and do it and it’s not gonna get any easier I’ll tell you that me with the way that you guys were switching out there tonight I know there been a lot of drop for you guys this

Season on the defensive end uh did you think the help had to be there a little bit earlier what did you think about the way that you guys has executed it though uh there were bad switches the help was bad the contest was bad Closeouts was

Bad it was just all bad um it didn’t matter if we were switch in or in a drop we weren’t running nobody off the line we weren’t making a miss so any coverage that we decided to throw out there we didn’t do it as players I don’t care

What SPO says this ain’t on him this ain’t on none of the coaches um this is on us we’re the ones that’s out there playing we’re the ones out there that’s supposedly competing than you awesome always great when you Dismount we’re supposedly competing I hate that that’s not that’s not a

Dismount a Dismount is way too competitive with what’s been happening what you just just slip and fall just fell off the [Laughter] horse hey right now the Heat’s horse is running without a jockey so you can’t win but your horse sure can look fast and miss highe his team this is ha’s team

Nowy ha’s team thought you were lying him time him time you are a sucker you will like you you will rats off a ship on anybody how am I rats off a ship I’m saying they play they play 82 games they’ve lost five in a row what did I say you already

You already it’s not Jimmy team anymore it’s you laughed at me when I said this was haime Haw is’s team and I gave you the records which by the way have only gotten worse since I since I did the statistical breakdown and you fail to realize this

Is Hae hains team it is Marcos the one time this idiot uses stats so I have a I can do the same thing with with with with Duncan Robinson right he need to play more than 29 minutes according according to uh to Simon Sperling he does according to Stats yeah so I can

Use the same stats in another way what are you doing it’s not the say but but Duncan Duncan wasn’t not playing because of Hae oh so you’re saying that some of those 29 Point 20 minute game 29 minute games were with haime yeah you put more

Of it on highe then oh I see you put it on your I mean it is more on highe it’s H’s team I got you I got you I got you what I’m not being selective there what I’m not you just went and picked your fruit right now no you just went through

The aisle you picked up a couple best record this team has is when haime hwz plays when he doesn’t play they are 500 if not below okay they stink without them okay look it up again hold on let me just just for statistical purposes I’m looking it

Up Miami Heat record without Hae hakz no way you looking it up swear to God the Miami Heat are one and five all time without haime hakz Jr so so let me get you straight let me get to straight how many games have they played all year we’re at

45 now Marcos 45 45 yeah 45 games after yesterday 45 games and you’ve taken six games and a six game sample yep of an 82 Game season worst two weeks of our life and have determined that if Heyman was playing this would be different you want more of

A sample here we go miam Heat record I’m gonna do something right now watch this wow I’m gonna go Miami Heat record with Mi hakz Jr give me that uh here we go right you see you see I can’t see okay it says the Miami Heats record with haime hakz is 23 and

16 because it’s his team didn’t say that last part too is that no I added that okay you fluffed the numbers a lot I didn’t fluff the numbers I just cut dry as it gets so you’re saying so you’re saying that a guy who’s been with the team for six months

Right without him that he can’t win the Miami Heats record with Tyler herro this season is 12 and 14 do you want me to do Duncan Robinson sure why not it’s probably played all the games so dunan Robinson yeah 249 wow yeah okay how about that I mean are we are

We so you tell me uh sounding like sounding like this is intangible South right now what do we I just think that you need to interject some energy and Terry roier does that Hae HZ does that even dunks has been playing with a different level of you know uh

Energy with what he does that being said you still still have to have people pressure in the paint so that these guys can do what they do dunks can do what he does and I think bringing Rosier in there has done that a little bit because he gets to the

Rim now for some reason nobody that gets to the rim makes the shot but he does get to the rim a little bit more um which should allow Guys open for threes which nobody’s making so like can you just say because of the success or the failure of that play was a good

Play like I think they’re trying now the problem is is that your guys that normally get your your free throws that normally get to the line and get you those freebies are not doing it Ag and that’s where Jimmy comes in especially with band building a brick freaking

House from mid-range lately been DEC it’s been a cold January can I just say this is the mid-range shot the worst shot in basketball right now uh a lot of people yeah it’s the it’s it’s the least efficient shot it’s the least efficient shot it is a it is a

Shot that that Harbors more value in the in the playoffs because the the uh defenses slow down and so you do need guys who can make those shots see I think we say this about the playoffs but I personally think teams are G to just start running teams out off the court it

Happens for a lot of games but usually like when series slow like a lot of times in series like the way this comes down to it why bam is is still Valu is because obviously he’s a great defender but like those big shots like in late series when you guys have kind of

Figured each other out you do need people who can make those tough shots but he is been a he’s been a third little pig from mid-range lately building a house of bricks which again if you’re already shooting the most inefficient shot in basketball and you’re missing it to become even less

Efficient that ain’t good Bob not great right not great no they need I don’t know what they need I don’t know if they need a they need more they need Jimmy to start being more aggressive um they have um Terry who’s trying to be aggressive you got bam who’s you know in

The paint banging bodies and then that’s gonna free up some of these three-point Shooters I think a lot of what they did last night was like they got crushed but I did like that like Tyler was taking a lot of Threes last night I think he

Needs to do more of that instead of you know the float Mingo all the time stop minus one why

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