OKC Thunder suffer the worst loss of the season despite Shai Gilgeous-Alexander dominating Pistons

OKC Thunder suffer the worst loss of the season despite Shai Gilgeous-Alexander dominating Pistons

What went wrong as the Thunders suffer their worst loss of this season we’ll talk about that on today’s locked on Thunder podcast you are locked on Thunder your daily Oklahoma City Thunder podcast part of the locked on podcast Network your team every day let’s get it going on the lockdown

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Into the Thunder suffer uing their worst loss of the Season sgaa bullying the Pistons but it did not end up mattering and we hand out some therapy ahead of what is one of the most important games of the Season tonight so that’s the tricky thing about the NBA schedule you

Go from a very disappointing loss to a very important game in less than 24 hours but thank you so much for making us your first listen every single morning every single day we’re here for you talking Thunder basketball so when we dive into this game the Thunder enter

This contest on a five-game winning streak they enter this contest you know 14-4 since Christmas Kade Cunningham was a late scratch in this game and they had just on the road held the New Orleans Pelicans to 86 total points now this was an afternoon game it is the first leg of

A back toback but you’re in first place welcoming in Minnesota this next game the Pistons iner tonight with just five wins and yet the Thunder suffer this loss after giving up just 86 total points to Minnesota the Thunder give up 120 points total including 46 points in the second

Quarter this Thunder team did not in any way shape or form play up to their standards or play up to what they expect of themselves on the defensive end we just got done raving on the last show about how good this Thunder team is defensively about when this team is on

And when they bring it they’re the best defensive team in the NBA because they have so many guys who can do so many great things defensively being versatile switching everything getting in the passing Lanes creating havoc and just ending possessions but the Thunder learned a couple of lessons

Today and it’s okay to be frustrated it’s okay to to look at this and and feel disappointed or feel whatever you want to feel because it’s an 82- Game season but the standings are so that you’re going to look back on these games and it’s going

To come down to who had fewer of these games not who had none of these games because these games happen this happens to every team in the NBA you just were celebrating 12 hours ago that Minnesota dropped a game to San Antonio earlier this year Boston who I consider the best

Team in the NBA lost to Charlotte who I consider one of the worst teams in the NBA so this stuff happens right Portland has beat Sacramento who is clearly of course better than them they’ve beaten U you know Phoenix who who has all those talented scores and and is better than

Portland like that these things just happen you’re not going to win every game you’re supposed to win on paper and there is context involved of this has been a very jamack January this has been a very tough part of the schedule and afternoon games typically are funny business right like you typically don’t

See other the Thunder play their best basketball in afternoon games or any team for that matter that’s why players don’t really like afternoon games for the most part but again it’s okay to feel any way you want to feel let’s just put it in context right there’s a difference in

Saying hey you know what that was not the way the Thunder play basketball versus going too far on the other end right because there has to be a a good balance of reaction to this game there is no excuse for giving up 46 points in a quarter to

Detroit and that just came down to the Thunder what what it looked like watching the game and then and then JB even spoke to this after the game of you know they kind of to they kind of took it for granted a little bit they got up

By 10 points things were heading OKC’s way early especially defensively by the way like defensively they really uh you know kind of held their own and and played really well at the start of the game that was short live though Detroit calls that timeout whenever the Thunder

Get up like 10 points and then Detroit settles in the Thunder kind of kind of relax too much and play laxidasical defense and then Detroit STS starts hitting their shots whenever the Pistons are shooting 42% from three this is what JB spoke to of like they kind of let go of the Rope

A little bit and and kind of forgot or or or lapsed their defensive judgment and by the time that they tried to get back into it and they tried to really hunker down and flip the switch again it was too late like these are NBA players they’re not comfortable scoring and

You’re not going to then take them out of their element or at least it’s very hard to do so and this is similar to the lessons that they’ve had to learn against New Orleans for example earlier this year whenever they went up on New Orleans big 20 points on national

Television and blew that lead like these things happen through the course of the Year these things are are are stuff you just have to learn how to deal with you have to learn how to deal with hey you entering this game they were the the the sole possession of first place everyone

Was doing a Victory lap you’re you’re welcoming in Minnesota the next game that’s going to be a lot of fun as you head back home for a long a long home stand the first time since the end of December you can really unpack your bag

So to say at home that’s all stuff that you’re looking forward to but you still got to go out and beat Detroit any team in the ba can beat anybody and that is something that I’m very comfortable with the Thunder knowing how to do because they they’ve proven it

Again this is an 82 Game season we have a much larger sample size of this Thunder team being uncommon of this Thunder team taking care of business of this Thunder team not falling into these traps that when they do fall into these traps while it is disappointing it’s

Tough to get to that irrational level that a lot of people can get to because you also got to put it into the context of this is the NBA at the end of the day this no one can excuse what happened defensively especially they did not play even

Remotely close to to Quality defense against Detroit like you look at this game and you see Detroit score 120 points that they shot shooting splits of 49 42 and like 79 from the free throw line they only had nine turnovers the Pistons did now to OKC’s credit they

Only turned the ball over 10 times but again that nine points you know I’m sorry that nine turnovers that they gave to Detroit that is just so low comparatively to where the Thunder are typically at the Thunder typically turn you over non stop and they only got nine turnovers

Against Detroit they were out rebounded by 10 rebounds and then here comes another aspect of not playing the Thunder style the Thunder got four fast break points and let up 15 the ther typically dominate fast break points whenever they’re clicking on all cylinders and so when you just look at

The simple shooting numbers Detroit shot 42% from three the Thunder shot 28% from three the thunder only made 66% of their free throws and they shot 47% from the floor as a team OKC L up 19 Second Chance points only had 15 of their

Own OKC had a uh you know of course one more turnover than Detroit but both teams were deadlocking points in the paint 56 all which is another area that the Thunder have pretty well won a lot of the times this year but this was just an inexcusable defensive display I think that everyone

Pop the bottom in that organization would say so but it’s not an example of who they are it’s not an example of of of this now being what this Thunder team is and I think that often times when you’re looking at this Thunder team especially in Oklahoma you can look at it through

This football prism of every game defines your season every game changes what you’re able to accomplish or not the Thunder could easily win this game tonight against Minnesota they could easily welcome in the Timberwolves and beat them by a solid margin and then those same people who are freaking out

Right now will start to Crown this team as a championship level team again it cannot be that dra drastic it cannot be that kind of ups and downs with this roster with this team you look at last year’s team no one in their right mind of of being honest and truthful about last

Year’s team no one would call that a disappointment nobody would call that a failure nobody would call that anything short of a really successful season for that team that is what we can all agree on about last year’s Thunder team and they lost in Detroit they lost in Indiana they lost really G

You know games that they should have won on paper games that would have helped them a lot to win on paper that they dropped but they still were able to have a successful year no one would call this Boston season to this point a disaster

Or a bad season or or be calling for massive changes to their roster and they lost to Charlotte you know Minnesota last week has it’s not been kind to them to lose to Charlotte to lose to San Antonio again you go back to you know Sunday of last week and thunder fans

Were complaining about how easy the Minnesota schedule has been and they haven’t taken advantage of it you’re still tied for first place entering this game on Monday that’s life in the NBA that’s how basketball goes we’ll talk about more of this game plus your takeaways and including a little therapy session as

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Basketball look SGA just simply bullied the the Pistons just bullied them and it was It was kind of disappointing of course to waste a game like this from Meier who tried so hard to will the thunder back into it putting up 31 points in three quarters shooting 65%

From the floor one for one from three four for five from the charity strike five rebounds four assist a steal in just 29 minutes of action real quickly he did bump knees with Jaden Ivy that’s how he got hurt last time against strain Suggs and the and the magic he missed a

Game due to that uh so monitor that moving forward today as we get closer to tip off against Minnesota now SGA could do no wrong in this game he was finishing through Detroit Pistons with with grown man finishes and strength he also was using his pump fak to free

Himself up so well this might have been the best game for mesier footwork wise which is saying a ton due to how Elite he is at you know using his feet and using his footwork to his Advantage because there’s absolutely zero wasted movements from SGA from his pump fakes

To his footwork to his gather like every part of his you know movements every part of the way that he moves his body on the offensive end has a purpose and serves a purpose to get him open he was fantastic he again took over the game of the third quarter but could

Just could not push through uh in terms of the scoreboard because of the the the poor defense from the entire team this was a game though from from SGA offensively that was just a clinic it was just a clinic you could not stop SGA you could not guard him he just

Bullied the Pistons and just imagine what this game looks like without SGA in it but there is a a branch off of this tree about sgaa that I think is interesting to talk about because I think that when you lose a game as a team who has expectations on them because right wrong

Or indifferent we can go back and forth about what was happening preseason the conversations are this team preseason we can go back and forth about uh if the you know if this conversation should have changed the bottom line is the conversation has changed people expect the Thunder Wind games they expect the

To win games like this this you know fan base and and even some in the National landscape of the NBA have changed their viewpoint on the Thunder and again we can debate this throughout the week if that’s if that’s right or wrong but that’s what it is and so when that

Happens everything is under a microscope and when you come up short and when you get a disappointing result and when you don’t don’t do something right then everything under that microscope is going to skew the wrong way and there’s a a few things I think were not rational

About what was happening in the discourse of this game from fans even to some some you know peers everyone let’s start with a and the conversation of putting him back in look the Thunder didn’t put him back in you can take that as waving the White Flag

But at the end of the day you’re bent over a barrel in that in that scenario what do you what are you to do there is a human element of all of this yes the Thunder could have gone 30 run like Dallas did right and they could

Have tried to make a comeback Dallas still lost that game by the way but still they could have gone on a huge run and got back in this game but the likelihood of what you saw today in that 48 minute chunk because again you’re only coaching this game you’re not

Coaching the whole season you’re coaching this game in that 48 minute segment what you saw today was terrible effort defensively a Thunder team that looked disinterested at times a Thunder team that was not going to win this game so you cannot say all those things you know throughout the course of the whole

Game of how bad the Thunder looked of how they they looked like they didn’t want to be there how they were going to lose this game you cannot say all those things and then at the very end go wait but you should have put SGA back in the

Game because the human element told you this was not the Thunders night they did not have it and there was just nothing uh that that could have panned out other than how they played defensely they did in the first segment the first you know five minutes six minutes of the game if

They played defense like that the whole time they would have won they didn’t do that though and they got down big and they arrested Shay here’s the thing where I think it’s unfair because I have been one to express hey I didn’t I don’t love not playing Wiggins at times I

Don’t love whenever Kenny hustle got a DMP I I’m willing to talk about those things but I think that it gets a little bit overblown in this game in particular on a few different accounts let’s start with SGA first you put him back in the game everything about this game told you

The Thunder were not going to win this game because again they W he went supern over mode s went takeover mode he he played fantastic in the third quarter you gained no progress you’re still down 14 like he did all those things already in this game in this very game and it

Didn’t Grant you anything so so you put him back in the game and then the conversation is well why’ you put Shay back in that’s just more minutes on his body on the first night of a back toback there’s another more important game tomorrow and he bumped knees with Jen Ivy that’s what

You’ be saying right now had they put him back in and now that they didn’t put him back in well you wave the White Flag they could have gone on a big run and then God forbid he gets hurt again if he put him back in he gets hurt then everyone’s

Calling for Mark’s head right now it’s okay to wave the white flag at times I know that that’s not you know something that back in my day we tried to win every game for 48 minutes and I tell you what we just we just reared up

There and tried to win one for the Gipper I get it I get it right like but the Thunder clearly were not going to win this game this was just not their night so so why put him out there and that’s what you’d been saying had they

Put him back out there that is just a a conversation that gets spread because they’re in this position because they’re on this side of the conversation there was no point to playing no point even though in a hypothetical World they could have gone in a big run let’s talk jdub who was

Really good I thought 20 points a rebound three assists two for three from three uh eight for six from the floor two for four from the line really good in the sense of offensively defensively everyone was just not to their standard uh chat holgren you know missed a lot of

Shots was four for 11 one for five from three didn’t have it on offense nine points 12 rebounds and assists a block he had some nice rimed turns in the first quarter but the entire team defense did laps uh down the stretch and then uh I thought chat was was better

Rebounding the ball again was better using his body on box outs and was better mixing it up as he was against Jonas uh but it was just not a consistent effort and that’s that’s the key phrase consistent effort was not there for the Thunder here’s another Mark conversation tree Keon Johnson

Minutes he played 12 minutes he was a plus four in those 12 minutes he had two rebounds Five Points two for three from uh shooting uh from the four one for well one from three he had really good defense he provided a spark listen this is what I’m

Talking about with crutches the second that KY Johnson goes into this game everyone on Twitter is freaking out about they playing developmental minutes they’re playing uh guys who who need development why are they still experimenting this they’re not experimenting they they’re not experimenting at all with this decision

To play KY Johnson this was an NBA decision you look at 30 teams in the NBA you look at every team every roster makeup every coach no matter if they love playing young guys or hate playing young guys no matter if they’re uh you Boston or if they’re Portland or if

They’re Detroit if you have this bad of a game defensively and you have this bad of an energy game and you have this lack of a spark you’re gonna play your roster you’re gonna play your young rookie who has shown in the g- league that he can

Provide a boost and who did provide a boost in this game look at the in go back and watch his possessions and look how much better he was defensively than his teammates tonight cany Johnson was not the problem he was not an experiment he was not develop minutes KY Johnson was an NBA

Decision and those buzzwords are all people can lapse on to they have not evolved with their expectations they’ve not evolved with their discourse they’ve not evolved with what’s been happening for this Thunder team if you sat there and thought that K Johnson was an experiment that’s just lazy it’s just

Lazy that is what basketball coaches do at every level every team and every expectation level for their team it’s just a decision that they make with their roster let’s talk Josh kidy then let’s talk about your takeaways all coming up including previewing tonight’s game against Minnesota but first want to say

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Your teams every day thank you so much for making us your first listen every single morning every single day we’re here for you talking Thunder basketball let’s talk Josh giddy another crutch for a lot of fans who are very disappointed this is what Josh’s game was right like this is what it was

Forgetting about the the previous games of the season forget about his body of work as a player just talk about this game let’s just take a deep breath and talk about this game he attacked Kean Hayes extremely strong and had a beautiful spin move finish at The Rim he

He was exploitive of that killing ha match up again using a bump fade like we saw in feeba that knocked down in the mid-range he ran the floor bumped Isaiah Stewart off a spot to finish in transition like those were all really fantastic plays from him he shot 50%

From the floor put up 12 points nine rebounds five assists a block and went 0 for one from three two for two from the stripe let’s review those misses right let’s just take this break let’s just break every part of it down his misses number one he missed a three okay he

Shot one three he missed it that’s liable to happen to Shay and anyone else in the NBA okay he missed an open three number two he missed an open shot which he created for himself off the dribble in the mid-range taking advantage of being matched up with Isaiah Stewart

That is something that every single person who’s watched Josh giddy play wants him to try to do more of wants him to learn how to do wants him to to figure out how to do is create for himself off the dribble as a score he did that it looked smooth it looked good

The shot didn’t go in that shot goes in it’s a totally totally different conversation that’s how thin the margins are for for what people will or won’t complain about another one he runs the pick and roll and comes off that pick and roll screen uh and misses a midi and

This time you know he was with the liia S on the floor no offense to olivr at that point doesn’t matter what’s going on in the grand scheme of things so why not use your opportunity to try something like that which is what the Thunder have wanted to unlock for him

What fans who don’t who who don’t agree with you know playing Josh Kitty have wanted from him to do too is is create for himself and be able to score more he’s trying that he had a floater light that he missed I I would not have gone

Up with that floater he had one in traffic that I wouldn’t have gone up with so he had two shots that I just would not have have preferred he take out of you know the the 10 or whatever that he took this game that was not the reason why got

Blown by the Pistons like that that just wasn’t and you can talk about his defense he absolutely played bad defense with the team the team played bad defense so when you look at joshkid as a Defender you are never going to want him to be a point of attack Defender you’re

Never going to want him on an island you’re never going to want him defending in space like he is a Team Defender so if the team plays bad defense that’s going to fall in Ripple onto him if you actually look at just him in a vacuum he fought hard through screens which was

Better than what he typically had done he looked more engaged defensively that has been a common theme from him fighting hard through scra’s body positioning and being more engaged defensively those have been common themes for him for the last month so like that’s been all good the problem is

Is that doesn’t amount to anything if the rest of your team is playing bad as a Team Defender so you know you really look at this and you’re really just upset at the rest of the team we’re not playing good defense but he’s the easy

Guy to crutch on to of oh why are they playing Josh giddy right then the other thing was playing Josh giddy with the bench lineups where where me usually plays me is 30 years old he has self admitted hey you know I’m still getting used to the NBA schedule still getting

Used to the NBA Pace still getting used to the NBA athletes still getting used to all of this a 30-year-old on a condensed schedule in January and a back toback ahead maybe that’s an explanation for why you know me didn’t play tonight that’s just that’s just an assumption

Based upon context but maybe that’s why but it all reverts back to if you’re upset with Josh giddy this game again it just comes back to laziness it comes back to you might not have watched the game or or watched it with intent or you’re just looking for an easy target

To get mad at because we’ve criticize Josh gidy on this show we’ve been very fair to Josh kidy I believe on this show of when he deserves praise when he deserves criticism you can go look at the comments and see a lot of the Josh gidy fans have really not liked me of

Late but this was not a game to be critical of Josh gidy it just wasn’t you you can be critical of not playing meic again use the context of being 30 years old and still not getting used to the NBA or or speeder schedule uh you know

Maybe that would be a little bit of a context clue for you I don’t know for sure but sure you can get you can kind of uh get upset with that because meic you know in that rotation with the secondary unit has played really well

And and it has kind of found his footing uh but other than that like Josh giddy as a player this game was not the issue now you can talk about how um you know do you agree with that fit of a Team Defender who when the team doesn’t you

Know follow through with their end the bargain defensively then their flaws are exploited is that a natural fit is that a good fit is there something more you can do uh to to help the entire team as a whole that is something completely different but just focusing and zeroing

On Josh G this game is a bit unfair is a bit unfair let’s talk about your takeaways and just remember no team is going to go 82 and0 no team will be perfect or even good or even mediocre for an entire season you will not find a

Team who just played mediocre ball all season every single team has played a bad game and this was a bad game flat out a bad game they’re in the draining part of their schedule but everything is still on track for OKC now MVP this game is SGA let’s talk about the Monday game

Against Minnesota but first get your takeaways so your takeaways have been pretty much stuff we’ve already addressed uh this one from Thunder OG we need to make a trade you’re going to say otherwise or make excuses for the organization but we’re not going anyway without more size and

Physicality I’ve been very open about I think that the Thunder should improve this roster now I I push back on needing to go get a star or needing to go all in but the Thunder should make improvements on the margin they should make improvements to this team this season I

Think that they’re going to do that I think that their that their record shows that they’ll do that track record as a front office shows that they’ll do that at the deadline I believe that they did last year improve this team and that’s not even in hindsight go back and listen

To last year’s trade deadline podcast where everyone’s freaking out and acting as though they’ve actually gone the other way I was the Lone voice talking about how they improve their roster with that move uh of getting SAR on this roster you know and trading up muscala but nonetheless I think that they’ll

That they will do it do a a move to improve this roster it’s just not gonna be I don’t think some some shiny star all right it’s just but it will I think improve their rebounding or size or physicality if you want to put it that way I think that’ll improve this roster

Period um Mark says what’s the record at the beginning of the Season would you have taken this record move on and don’t overreact to be my advice right now totally agree you know everyone at the start of the Season would think that you know sitting here still after this loss

Tied for top in the west uh against Minnesota would be a fever dream would be a fever dream um for this team but in the moment of course people are going to be disappointed but I totally agree like this 32 and 14 is still vastly impressive and you got to keep

That in perspective uh Steve my good pal Steve McGee says Detroit may not have a winning record but if they play with this type of effort level uh they would yeah this this effort tonight from Detroit was really impressive um and I think that Detroit does have some good

Players which is which is like they’re not a six win team I don’t know why that things have spired for them you’d have to go listen to lock on Pistons with coup who does a fantastic job covering the the Detroit Pistons he actually tells me why on his podcast why they’re

So bad which you can go find out over there his his podcast in the midst of that losing streak War just can’t miss podcast uh but they actually have really talented players and you saw that whenever you let them get to their spots and you let them score which the Thunder

Did they’re going to beat you and they did beat you in this game uh so a lot of you left takeaways that are just extremely uh kind of vent sessions which I I I know that you that you need it time lots of lots of talent in this

League it’s the NBA things happen that’s from Jimmy and Craig uh for sure this of course I think the biggest thing is it stings so much because you know that the margins for error and the standings are so thin you just you know that these

Games like if you if you have many of them they’ll you know bite you but you also have the ability to go offset them just as Minnesota and OKC do this week you today have the ability to offset them whoever wins that game will feel incredibly good

About themselves moving forward uh I I really addressed all of these takeaways um through the course of the show today uh which I think uh you all will will either agree or disagree with but I do appreciate everyone who took the time to um to leave a takeaway to leave a a thought

On this game I love doing them and kind of seeing what all uh you all think U this last one from km Jaylen Duren dominated this game the Thunder needed another big Jaylen Duren was incredible tonight was really really good and he’s a really really good player uh but yeah

I mean the Thunder the Thunder could absolutely use uh you know an improvement on this roster which been saying this entire time I’ve really Lov the idea of getting Kelly oen there’s other players who I like we did a podcast not too long ago about potential

Targets and and stuff to do with it with the trade deadline so you can go back and listen to that we’ll do more trade deadline coverage throughout this entire time here leading up to the the deadline and seeing what the Thunder are going to do so tonight against Minnesota the

Thunder got a monitor will SGA play that’s a big question I’m personally gonna monitor will things get chippy you know you had the you had the Anthony Edwards SGA kind of jabbing at each other last game or or postgame Anthony is making comments in the Press about

SGA and how tough the Thunder art are guard whenever SGA gets to the line SGA goes on Instagram and and kind of Jabs at him with his caption about uh they talk about my post game and not my post game uh Rudy goar of course is a wild

Card you just never know he he’s liable to I mean for goodness sake you got a fight with Kenny hustle last year he got fight with Kenny hustle he might Flex on like things could get uh wild there so just will things get a little chippy

For the last time as these two teams meet up I think would be very interesting uh and then this the game for both sides a very very very important game and they’re both trying to uh make a game up from railing from giving away a game to San Antonio and

Giving away a game to Detroit respectively each team tied of course at 32 and 14 coming into the paycom Center Mike Conley’s questionable so that’s another injury report to monitor throughout the day and then this is going to test the Thunder a little bit how are they going to respond from from

The second night of a back toback with travel involved luckily for the Thunder of course was an afternoon T night game so the afternoon T night game gets you a few hours but uh it’s it’s Timberwolves on Monday it’s the nuggets on Wednesday it’s G to be very fascinating to watch

OKC who has not lost more than two games in a row all season long we’re going to recap this game for you and everything this week we’re have a t-wolves recap on Tuesday Wednesday a special guest Thursday the Nuggets recap Friday mailbag Saturday Hornets recap uh and

Then Monday Raptor recap so we’re going to have it all for you leave a like a comment a review uh subscribe for free across all podcasting platforms so you never miss an episode and until tomorrow be good and be good to one

The Oklahoma City Thunder suffer the worst loss of the season to the Detroit Pistons despite OKC Thunder superstar Shai Gilgeous-Alexander dominating this contest against the lowly Pistons. The Thunder fanbase needs a therapy session after this loss to the Pistons. Josh Giddey, Mark Daigneault, and Keyontae Johnson are going to be common crutches for the Bricktown faithful. Can Oklahoma City rebound against the Minnesota Timberwolves?

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0:00 Intro
3:20 Disappointing Loss
13:14 SGA Bullied the Pistons
15:00 Waving the White Flag?
20:21 Keyontae Johnson minutes explained
24:16 Josh Giddey
29:37 Your takeaways
33:20 Minnesota Preview

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