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The fact that the big their biggest disappointment with Kyle as a player we can get into the other stuff and I hit on some of this of the Pod has been defensively um that that they they haven’t been able to use him in the ways that they thought they could use him
When they signed Kyle we even talked on a podcast about okay now they’ve got a bulldog at the point of attack I hadn’t watched him enough I will be honest or since the championship in 2019 I that year that they were in Tampa I didn’t watch them at all and I
Didn’t see how much he had declined in that capacity so the idea that you worry about rosier’s defense now Pat hasn’t typically loved tiny point guards but there have been a few Larry’s one and and uh and Tim Hardaway is another I will just say this and this I’m gonna
Date myself here but everybody looks at Tim Hardaway oh Hall of Famer and all the rest of this stuff that was not the conversation in 1996 95 96 I can tell you he was third string in Golden State benched behind an Old Post Bulls BJ Armstrong everybody thought Timmy was
Done and he was Tiny and he was overweight and he had bad knees and Pat went out and got him anyway and he ended up solidifying their back court for five years and building on what became a Hall of Fame career so I I feel like uh any
Any concerns about rosier’s height or uh his defense I think would be a little bit overstated I I don’t think they have an issue with that I their their biggest understanding at this stage is that they need to generate more offense that’s they they get what we
Because I I do think that that they believe that they will figure out a way to Cobble together a defense around bam when they have some continuity but the offense we’ve looked I mean the numbers are the numbers like the the they need somebody else in that starting lineup
And if they’re not going to put Duncan in for Tyler uh which I know is a place where this ultimately could this discussion could ultimately go but if they’re not going to do that then they need somebody who can generate some offense we talked Sean and I got into it
On the podcast a little bit um Terry Rosier likes to operate in the mid-range also okay so you’ve already got your three best players who like to operate there and I think they’re going to need to make some sacrifices Tyler is gonna have to do more of what he did last
Night which is stretch out to the three-point line take more threes I think he needs to take 10 threes a night he’s at eight for the season he took I think 11 last night um and Bam needs to get near the basket more often and maybe rosier’s ability to
Get in the paint more than Kyle can uh will help that in some ways but they they can’t have bam just shooting mid-ranges especially when he’s not even making them lately so uh so to me I would he’s a different kind of player than what they have um I think he’s a
Kind of player that they could use right now I like Murray better I’m with a Turnal on this Murray is a higher end player he’s going potentially give you more defensively but do you if if you’re going to get in a bidding war with the Lakers for him
And the Knicks and you’re right and the Knicks and you’re GNA exhaust the rest of whatever assets you have can you pivot after that and I think their their lean right now will be to the Hedge move we give it a shot he could be a high-end
Player for us he wants to win he’s been in a losing situation he wants to play for Miami try to juice the offense a little bit you get hakz back you see how all the pieces fit if they still don’t fit with Tyler we start to have other conversations with Tyler okay about
Tyler but I think they want to at least take a look at it and then worst case scenario I mean I’m looking at the contract and you’re right this was one of those that was considered a bad contract at the time and it’s not now I mean he’s he’s making 23.2 this year
24.9 next year he’s got a partial guarantee in 2526 at 26 and a half million so I mean that’s reasonable money uh that’s reasonable money for for production I think that they can anticipate so I mean Kyle has 15 field goals made in January Terry Rosier made
16 in his past two games and 17 in the two games before that so and he’s not doing it on six of 23 shooting he’s doing it on he’s he’s doing it on seven of 14 shooting seven of 15 shooting so I I just feel like that’s uh Tyler bass
Had one yesterday same number as Kyle well so that’s uh that that’s kind of that that’s that’s kind of kind of the direction uh and Eric Eric hits at our guy Eric who who joins us on the prize picks in football coverage it sounds like what you’re getting at here is the
Rosier Murray stuff team isn’t really sure about this build at least is not as sure they are they like their team but I I I I think that at a certain point you have to look at it and E that you know I I they know it needs
Something I don’t think they think they can just re keep rearranging these deck chairs and that’s going to work um and and I will say this like they’re out on Kyle from the very very very very very very very very very very top of the organization all the way down without
Saying any names without saying any names I want to add this I wantan to add out on Kyle I want to add this because you mentioned the shooting like Tyler uh Tyler hero right now who is shooting 40% from three to his credit but he’s not getting to the
Free throw line he’s got one free throw attempt in his last 100 minutes of basketball his free throw rate is 0.146 that’s the worst of his career it’s actually the lowest so it’s getting worse Terry Rosier is at 0. 236 that’s basically the same as highe hakz Terry rosier’s free throw rate so
Give you an idea of the drives and whatever the case may be he’s also shooting a good amount from three it’s about 83s a game or so and he’s making 36 37% which is actually pretty good I Le average is around 35 36 typically around this point um he’s getting
Downhill and again free throw rate in terms of guys who lead the team obviously Jimmy’s first like with a bullet bam is second Kevin Love is third and then among the rotation players haime hakz is right there so that’s where Terry Rosier would be he would be
Right there where um haime hakz is in terms of just his free throw rate and obviously he scores so try on defense like he gives you all the things they need and I think you said it right where in comparison to deante Murray I think Murray they’re going to get out bid and
Murray would cost more the the Murray idea is a good one I think he’s becoming a little bit more of an overrated player as this goes by other fan bases I don’t care about his two buzzer beaters because I think he’s going to cost a lot
And then people are GNA get him and be like wait I thought he was gonna be this and he’s not and also it’s like if he’s playing the way he is with Trey young he’s going to go into somewhere else and it’s like if you need to be featured on
Offense and be the the guy on offense this isn’t really the team for you either like you have to be able to play off a couple of guys in Jimmy and Bam that aren’t the easiest to play off offensively I think Terry Rosier can sort of thread that needle I think the
Reason why Tyler hero struggles to do it is because he doesn’t drive with a purpose usually he drives to kick drives to get to his floater pull up for the mid-range area I think the reason why haime hakz is thriving is because he drives with the purpose and I think
Terry Rosier would come in and theoretically do that want to get a couple things first thing a turtle take take College seon off and throw terer on I don’t think seon’s coming so I’m with them I’m with them on have a playlist I know you have a playlist but but you
Know I mean look so so does uh you know so so does I’m not even gonna mention bands because I’ll date myself but C you have a playlist sometimes but the audience doesn’t fit the playlist so you you change plenty of good bands do that
I I want to get there uh this is from I’m a Bel late to the game too and I think this is what they’re looking for so can K Rosier be a bubble Goron like player I think I think if you talk about what what what’s cleaned up the offense
In the bubble it was Goron’s ability to get in the paint and make plays right like that that ungummed the offense in a lot of different ways the driveing kick stuff and all that if Terry Rosier can provide 70% of what Goron did in the bubble that helps this offense immensely
So what what do I think looking for I think they’re looking for more of that than traditional point guard like like bring the ball up the floor and you know start to run every set I don’t think that’s what they’re looking for they want somebody who can go get his
Honestly they don’t have enough of that so I for all those reasons I think this makes sense I I agree Brian about Dante I really like Dante but I think Deon is a better fit in New York yeah next to jayen here’s the other you’re on you’re
On mute yeah go ahead here’s the other thing about Rosier and I like d jonte too I just think it’s going to cost them everything and I don’t think you could afford to like if you’re trying to do both you can’t give up everything right
The thing with t Rosier is he also like in terms of setting up the offense or whatever like people were saying oh Goron jges was three level scorer Terry Rosier is too this season like I don’t actually think there’s a big gap between Terry Rosier currently and where Goran
Was at the time they got Goron Goran became an All-Star after they got him right and the other thing here is like we’re talking about in terms of making plays for others Tera Ros right now his assist percentage is 31.1 the highest assist percentage on the heat is Jimmy Butler at 21 his
Assist percentage is way higher and that’s playing next a l metal ball right like Tyler GS is at 20.9 so it’s about the same as Jimmy Tera Rosier I’m I don’t want to make it sound like yes like he’s going to be the reason they end up winning a championship or
Anything like that but I think he fits a lot better than what people are expecting and I’m not sure if people have watched him that much and I don’t blame him because watching The Hornet sucks like it absolutely uh Ean is Pete maravic on the playlist next can I
Dead um did you just get the same tiex I get uh hold on no I got I got something from uh no I did not someone wants me to pay my FPL bill other than that no I didn’t get anything what um so can’t confirm not not even trying to be dramatic or
Nothing like that I just got a text that say uh something maybe close well Kobe White’s close to the playlist right now off for ter thank you very much I appreciate that um yeah so that people can see ET turto people can see Terry Rosier because they’re
Not they they I don’t think they’ve seen I don’t think they’ve watched Charlotte games this year a lot of people yeah let’s let’s put on ter let’s just stick with Terry Ros here for a minute that’s it let’s I know we have like I said as a
Heat official said we all have we all need Ridin uh and I I I get it to a certain extent when the transaction stuff happens but we we don’t need to see Kobe white I don’t think that the Bulls are moving Kobe white um comes in from Dolphin Slayer Goran and Tyler
Played well together uh in the bubble they did and and Tyler I mean Tyler was a rookie at that time obviously so things were a little bit different uh but but uh can I ask question because I’m seeing a lot of this on the timeline here and I haven’t got any indication of
This so did somebody report this because I know Barry did over the summer and they refuted it and they shot it down has anybody seen anything about a Kyle Lowry buyout or is that just truly stirring up trouble because I I haven’t seen [ __ ] honestly like I don’t has
Somebody actually seen that because we’re getting the questions a gad’s asking now like what what what what where is Ira said that or IRA said that there would be resolution this week about a veteran point card is this the is this the is this is this Being Framed as like the
Fallback option if they just don’t they’re not buying him out I don’t I I would be stunned they’re not I was told over and over they’re not going to do that doesn’t really benefit them in any way in any significant way and I don’t think he’s going to agree to the kind of
Buyout they want so I I don’t I I know Barry floated that over the summer I can tell you that they reacted sort of violently to that report um that there was no credibility to it and if they go that far and then they don’t T and there
Have been times they’ve said they were were not going to do things that did them but the their reaction to that report was such that I would be stunned and I don’t I just don’t see them doing that they are sensitive I’m gonna say this again they are sensitive to the
Perception of cheapness okay I I don’t think they’re gonna buy out Kyle lry with the team in in this situation I just I don’t see it I’m sorry I don’t I don’t see it um Jerry West highlights next you got Stockton on there I don’t want I had stock okay that Terry Porter
Maybe yeah just put on Ted we were watching that yesterday all right let’s get to some of this stuff all right let me ask you this in in the chat here okay um would anybody have an objection to Kyle Lowry and Greg is saying that that
I have to take a look at it that the numbers do work even though it doesn’t work in the trade machine the numbers do work but does anybody in the chat have an objection to Lowry and a first for Rosier I just feel like if you’re gonna trade a
First for Terry you might as well Pony up the two first for Deon but whatever but no I would I mean I’ve been on the train but you You’ gain another first in the off season anyway right that’s what I’m saying like no but like you can still have multiple firsts to do
Something after is the point deante I like if we’re being real about where dejonte is as a player and where Terry is as as a player I don’t think the Gap is that crazy I don’t think it’s that crazy dejonte has the higher potential under spoke like forget what he does on other
Team under SPO he has the higher potential under SPO for a longer time well you do have him you do have him for two additional years potentially right deante got a player option last year right he has a long sign the extension he’s got a longer term
Contract so it depends how committed you are uh you it it it depends how committed you are to to this particular build and whether or not you see Deon see look they view their future when they have described their future I’ve said this before that their future is
Bam Tyler and haime and maybe yic okay so question becomes if you’re gonna cash in let let’s say you might have to cash in yich to get they’re not moving hot for any but if you if you do that are are you comfortable in a post Jimmy build with bam Tyler
Deonte and and haime and that you don’t have a ton else to play with at that point if you’re giving up the two first round picks at this stage maybe you are and I I’m not arguing that much against it but I’m saying that’s that’s the decision making whereas Rosier you’re
Kind of halfway committed to the future but you’re not totally and you can still move the contract next year because it only has one year remaining on it after the season doesn’t other than obviously the partial guaranteed in the third year and if it doesn’t work out it doesn’t
Work out you move on and somebody’s always going to want a scoring point guard so like it keeps the team more malleable too because Terry is someone like if you want and I wouldn’t do this because I would do this with somebody else but if you want you could have him
As your six-man Deonte Murray if he’s on your team he needs to start he needs a b it just requires more maintenance that I’m not sure they’re going to be equipped to want to do that along with the fact that you’re going to have to
Give up more to get him you’re going to have to outbid the Lakers clutch LeBron clutch Rich Paul clutch to get maybe get LeBron maybe get LeBron back next year you know what I mean I know he loves Dante like that’s what it is like you’re he recruited deante personally turle
I’ve told you this before listen I’ve told you this before if you get Dante that’s the build that’s it it’s over that’s your build going forward for so if you think the jonte Murray is at piece because you’re going to be C [ __ ] if you do that right that’s your
Build if you get Terry Rosier you can do other things beside that around your rotation or for your rotation rather am I gonna have a chance to talk go ahead I just stopped talking go ahead go ahead go ahead Jesus well you put on the right
Stream here so that’s fine you can talk about Kobe white no no no listen listen I tried to get that up you asked the fast forward if you would have just let the playlist play it still would have been playing now certain level of impatience that I have here something
You got to deal with go ahead I don’t know it’s that upper New York thing I don’t know it’s the East Coast thing there but um no as far as the whole Deon thing I don’t think you are [ __ ] as far as moves that you can make right
Like right now as you and Alex talked about as the numbers that we’ve seen this is the highest field goal percentage as far as efficiency wise he has done from mid-range and also threo um even at the bare minimum if you still get that which is better defense it
Doesn’t make it harder for you to move him if it doesn’t work in the summer or like Brian alluded to if it does work with with deante but doesn’t work with a certain other person then you can move him as well so I mean you’re not losing anything having two young players that
You can move potentially in a deal going out to upgrade the roster um and also don’t think that the Lakers have better assets than Miami to move like this isn’t they got clutch and listen this is how but I do I will say this hold on I
Will say this I will say this to Ethan’s Point as he said on the podcast yesterday agents or was it a playback one of them playback agencies run the run the league yes so I will say that logically that an agency can have you know they can you know even if the
Assets are in the favor of other team just because of relationships that can get the deal done versus you know all but etal that’s also why it potentially gets messy for the heat too because okay like the Knicks are a CIA organization right why Miami Leon rose right so so
You end up what what happens here what what happens if Miami gets caught in this clutch thing it’s not that they won’t take a clutch player it’s that they know how this stuff works so let’s say that they get caught up in this game with the Lakers right and clutch and
They go this far down the line and meanwhile someone else goes out and gets Rosier okay okay while they’re screwing around trying to get Murray when ultimately let’s say clutch and Lakers working out okay give us one more thing give us a future second get this deal
Done Miami’s gone to the Finish Line on that thing ignored something else that could have upgraded the team and we’ve talked about that sometimes Miami holds out for something right and they don’t get what was right there fans get pissed about that all the time I I I think it’s
I think it’s dangerous to get into that game on a with a clutch guy on LeBron’s team you understand like it’s not just not a clutch guy not wanting to go to Miami or them not wanting someone from clutch to go to Miami or Miami maybe not wanting a clutch player but literally
It’s clutch and LeBron okay I mean that the Lakers are a clutch team now that’s what they are like they’re literally they’ll sign anybody that the Lakers uh that LeBron wants them to sign so I I I think it’s I think I if if Heat fans want an upgrade okay rosier’s an upgrade
From what they have right no listen when it comes to te I agree with Brian I don’t think that the talent level and ability right now is that the Gap is that wide I’m I’m not gonna be mad regardless whe whichever one they get uh whether
For the people two years he’s not like that much younger either terms right I mean right I get it but I’m saying as far as like measurables and all the other things like if we got into the tangibles and all other [ __ ] we could make a case but either way Miami could
Get just more just that one player whether it’s D jante or Terry Brian we we’ve been in the Discord for all of you guys that are not in the Discord make sure you come join us on the Discord and also let throw that in here uh just to
Take the minute and say hey we appreciate all of you 174 75 of you guys come to join us um on your Monday or whatever but whether that’s Miami getting Terry roier and Nick Richards uh I did see the report last week that say that the Hornets outside of I think it
Was um lamelo Brandon Miller and Mark Williams everybody on the roster is available so if it’s if it’s Terry and Nick Richards you still have other moves we’ve talked about this before Brian uh Ethan where I don’t think Miami just makes one move like I If they make a
Move I can see them making more than just one move depending on who goes typically well Eternal you’re right in the sense that when they’ve done these things in in like like the the Crowder Iguodala thing was you know done in a way and and remember when they made those moves in 1920
Or the trade deadline of 20 which you know they had the whole Co thing came before Co actually right before Co um they actually had a third player they were adding which was Danilo galinari like they don’t typically just do the one you’re right they they don’t T they
They they’ll have Andy work out the numbers with all these different teams and there’s a lot of moving parts and remember if they they ended up getting rid of Dion’s contract getting rid of Justice getting rid of JJ uh James Johnson and bringing in Crowder Wala and
Solomon Hill but they also were close to a deal with danillo they just could not agree with danillo about the length of the contract that’s it otherwise they would have brought in three so they have done this kind of thing before and so some of these names that are out there
Deian Mitchell others yes they absolutely could look to shake this thing up because I I think SPO is used to this they’ve done this in before um but I think the Heat fans should be prepared for the fact that it may not work right away like the the Iguodala
Crowder thing like they sucked for two weeks like they were bad they went on that Ro West Coast Swing they looked awkward so there’s going to be a little bit of a step back time but I think they’ll look at it like that’s why if
They get if they do this they may want to get two or three pieces at the same time right and you just do the rework then and it’s a sort of a mini training camp leading into the allstar break and I I think that may be the direction that
They decide to go here so but also another thing too Ethan is the sooner you do it the more time you have to make it jail so I I I do think because of how these this past week and a half has gone for them and because of the whole you
Know awkward situation with Cal and all of that [ __ ] there uh it may be something close to happening this week I’m not saying that it’s going to happen this week I’m just saying no I I you don’t you don’t even have to say that I’ve heard the same thing they want to
Get something done this week like I I I I talked to officials over the weekend like the lowy thing is not is not going to force them to make a move but it’s confirmation of everything else that they’ve kind of been dealing with all along and so
They’re done with it they W out they went out they W out they’ve won it out for a while but I mean again they SPO was the the guy who was sort of the hold down on this and I was I was told we never got Toronto Kyle like and then
They they went back and did the research and talked to people in Toronto after the fact they’re like no no he was always this difficult but we covered it up because he was our star and the heat can relate because they said we’ve done the same thing for Our Stars over the
Years and it’s it’s like I said too I I think you know you can have one guy who’s difficult like Jimmy Butler but you you you can’t have it’s always to say you can’t give him a buddy right and that’s and one guy is worth it for them
And one guy is not and that’s it they did not think that they would be in this position having to count on him as much as they do this year and I don’t know that the situation is s it’s not Whiteside it’s not even waiters it’s not
It’s not at that level because Kyle’s going to be somewhat professional because Kyle has a legacy to protect okay like he has a potential Hall of Fame Legacy this isn’t a whide situation but it it’s not working anymore and I think that there would be a little bit
Of a sigh relief from the whole team if it just I’m not saying they don’t like Kyle because a lot of his teammates do like him but like I just think it would be like okay all right let’s just move on with this thing yeah uh at this stage
So I so that that’s that’s kind of why I do think they’re gonna try to resolve this sooner rather than later I agree two things real quick um because someone keeps asking about Davon Mitchell in the chat uh can they use a trade exception to get him um I did hear that Davon
Mitchell so the kings were one of the teams trying to get Pascal cakam they did not um I did hear that Davon Mitchell uh could have been part of that for what it’s worth he’s making five million this year and his Club option for next year which I think is already
Yeah it’s already been exercised it would have had to because he was a first- round pick 6.5 million next year could they fit him to to a trade exception probably I don’t think they would do that though like I I don’t I don’t see them doing that but I mean it
Would be it would be fun I like them coming coming out of the draft but that’s not something that I don’t know Ethan if you’ve heard anything on like they they they do they did like him coming out of the draft they did um yeah
And and I think what you have to look at is that I think the Caleb thing needs to be taken into consideration with all this whether or not he’s still going to be around or whether they’re keeping him for next year because if they’re not if
If if he’s not a player who’s going to be part of their long-term f and they’ve come to that decision at this point then they have they will look at Replacements um and and you know one replacement in the system could be Jamal Kane I don’t
Know how spold SP is on Jamal Kane I know that he’s played well in g-league he may get another opportunity to to play a little bit more often I’m getting Frozen here I’m sorry about that I’m just mentioning the names that’s all I’m doing um but and Caleb May opt in you’re
Right he might Caleb likes it in Miami uh he does and he like and and the organiz likes him uh it’s just it’s just been a choppy season for him for a whole bunch of reasons yeah I mean but you could also get some something back um if
You get if you get Terry if you get djon whoever the [ __ ] you get like you could always get some something back to replace um you know Caleb so for people being concerned about whether Jamal Kane is going to be the replacement um well you’re also debating whether you’re
Resigning Haywood after this year too which is another thing to consider also right right and I I think the thing with Caleb too to realize is as much as they like Caleb and as much as he developed into what he developed into for them and and performed at the
Highest level with the biggest Stakes he was brought in as a camp body like that they did not think he gonna be this well no they did the jcole story is cute and all and and again Brady and I were at the very first scrimmage that they
Opened up to us in that camp and we both said that guy’s going to be part of the rotation that was very first day you could tell yeah but I but I don’t think think that uh I I don’t they I was told by they never counted on Kayla becoming
This and so some of it is kind of it’s you know sunk cost fallacy opposite right like like you get when you didn’t invest that much in someone it’s a little bit easier to kind of move off of the player whereas with Tyler like there’s an investment there of you know
The 13th overall pick and this contract I want to throw this out because I can’t stay that much longer I do have to move to some other things today I do want to make an announcement to for hockey fans we’re introducing a new podcast called
Cats and rat or rats and cat cats and rats so that’s going to name isek first I didn’t name it it’s pretty good though I think it’s pretty good uh I did not name it so we’re gonna have more Panther covered as well and we’re on the dolphin
So anyway but I I do want to ask this question Terry Rosier uh because this is gonna this is gonna set the chat on fire here Terry Rosier has two years left on this deal after this one well one year and then a partial guarantee 249 and 26
Six okay but again partial guarantee for the second year I’m gonna read you Tyler Hero’s figures and I’m going to give you a question here and then I’m going to leave and let you guys handle this because don’t do that okay ready okay here we go Tyler Heroes next two next uh people
Saying Terry you haven’t even said it yet three years 29 31 and 33 which will be the easier contract to move oh boy if they have to move one see you guys have a good one Brian AR you go no Dam where don’t you go don’t you go
Nowhere the last thing I’ll bring up because I also gota go the last thing I’ll bring up is I do wonder if it’s if it’s Terry Rosier and somebody else I wonder if it’s Nick Richards I wanted to ask Ethan this but he dipped because Nick Richards is a backup center
And the heat don’t typically acquire back backup centers like that or do they take a swing on James book night which I think they got a KNE though Brian they they well they’re gonna have to move Thomas Bryan anyway so that just makes sense um if you’re doing if you’re
Swapping Thomas Bryant for Nick Richard sure I don’t know why Charlotte would do that but sure but I don’t think yeah I mean first and second gets gets that done though that’s kind well we don’t know but like in theory I mean yeah like but if if you’re
Basically look I’ll put it to you this way this is the simplest math if you’re turning and I like Nick Richards for what it’s worth I think he’s actually played some decent minutes but they’re waiting for Mark Williams who’s still out and Mark Williams comes back Nick Richards won’t play that much so
Charlotte’s probably like even though Nick Richards is signed for five million for the next few years it’s like maybe they can get off that for something if they get the right pick back right if you’re swapping if the math is you’re swapping KY Lowry spot for Terry Rosier and Thomas
Bryant’s spot I guess for Nick Richards and it’s going to cost you I don’t know a first and a second it be if it would be two first that’d be a lot but if it’s a first and a second I feel like that’s something that everybody would sign for I’m not sure Charlotte
Would maybe the first is enough for them to do that so that’s pretty good value yeah you know I think Brian who do you think would be because it’s obviously going to be a third team there’s always a third team please etal might not no I’m not
Bro I’m not even talking about nothing I’m not even talking about anything I’m not even talking about anything wild Alex I’m just saying no no because you went and said oh we know it’s going to be a third how do you know it’s going to
Be a three or 14 heal what do you mean and the only reason I bring up book knife cuz people are reposted that idea trust me I get it the only reason the only reason I bring that up is because salary wise he’s where you know and he he wouldn’t cost that
Much you know like for sure so but I I wouldn’t do that because I it’s like if I’m Miami I’m like I have RJ Hampton on a two-way there’s your point guard of the future I still I still have my RJ Hampton stock ET Turtle what were you
Gonna bring up about the third team I mean just like just basically like what we saw uh you know we saw reports of the Wizards being a team that wants to take on bad contracts um like yeah yeah so I’m just saying like they probably will be the Shawn Mark special
Yeah like there’ll probably be teams around the league you know where you don’t see them being involved but they get involved Brooklyn I think Brooklyn might be one of those teams because Shawn marks has in his history if Brooklyn is in a shaky situation which they’re heading toward
Again and they are in now they’ve been a team that has taken on salary dumps for draft picks all right after the 201617 season they traded Justin Hamilton Justin Hamilton who was their backup center to Brook Lopez that year for dear Carroll a first round pick and a second
Round pick they did that because Toronto was felt like they were in a championship window and they got rid of Demari Carol because the salary dump whatever and Demari Carol actually be ended up being an integral part of the Nets making the playoffs that one time
But they got multiple pi picks for that so I think that did the Shon Murray report chat was funny that he he’s doubtful for Monday um whoever they’re playing against bet on the other team because Atlanta’s not gonna have Trey young either he has a concussion
Um the Nets the Wizards they’re going to be teams and I’m sure Charlotte’s gonna be one of them otherwise Terry rosier’s name wouldn’t be out there like yeah they’d be interested in taking back draft picks for underwhelming contracts do you think what one of the things that
You brought up um so if they do move Caleb do you see somebody like Roy Ry O’Neal coming back it’s like if if it’s a three- team thing I I don’t know because three te is three teams are hard to project it’s going to happen though
According to etal I mean etal you got sources saying it’s going to let me know Mr mathmatologist please exactly I’m not a mathmatologist I don’t know how they’re going to do a three team deal Alex where where are you at with Terry Rosier would he be like is
Would he be high on your wish list as somebody who covers a team and you think that’s what they need the most um yeah it would be cool man I I’d like it I mean I like we did a podcast and I would prefer Murray on over him
But I mean if they they pull off that deal like you get Rosier and somebody like Nick Richards I feel like that’s a pretty damn good way to shore up some of your problems and again like I don’t think that just solves everything you’re good to go you know go win a
Championship but you know what man you put yourself in a pretty decent position when you get help like that so I like the idea I think Rosier like Gad said um supercharged Kendrick nun um I feel like that’s pretty good except I know for a fact Terry Rosier can actually get to
The rim on his own right he’s on a screen Merchant and look man I’m not here to talk down on Kendrick nun like he’s over there playing overseas I don’t mean for it to sound bad but look man like Rosier is just a lot better you
Know what I mean Rosier can really like break down a defense get to the rim um and you know what I was in I was going to say something but I kind of don’t feel like starting a hole no say it Alex say it Alex what is
It oh man he might be a better three LEL score the Tyler hero all right y’ oh let’s get the [ __ ] out of here I mean he is he is he gets to the rim better he gets to the rim better he just does the numbers would
Say that he is like it’s just Tyler hero is a twole scorer right now it’s not a hot take but it’s also like I feel like it comes off a certain ways everybody yes because because a lot of people are still waiting for Tyler to reach this level that I’m not sure he’s
Going to get to unless he gets to that third level and 6′ one maybe Terry Ros here yeah he’s a better three-level scorer right now just is what it is the numbers are tell you Tyler is like two and a half cuz he he’s got like the
Floater but yeah work this is the no agendas that I’m here for it’s ma it’s it’s it test fact and it’s say it’s math don’t say it’s math it’s both that’s so funny watch just watch basketball like it is what it is I look I’m not ter Terry rir is not an
Allar like what although Zack low was like you know he might have a case but T Rosier is not like an Allstar whatever the case may be but like yes man like he again he would have a top five free throw rate on this Heat team right now I
Mean if we being honest though Brian like literally the heat aren’t losing if they get either one of them if they get the jante or if they get Terry like I I think yeah no I agree they can maximize they they can maximize either one of them guys to be very very very
Good for them um better than what they’ve had since what gor dragic you know what I’m saying like buba to Terry Rosier you can draws some parallels to him and Goran draic some I don’t know how Goran doesn’t have a tattoo on the back of his head you know what I mean so
There’s some Paradox boy you w Terry look Terry Rosier I’m like he’s somebody I am not worried about him in a playoff game at all yes he might shoot four for 16 on occasion it may happen but there are some like he’s going to
Get after it in a big spot he’s done it with Boston that playoff Ser was like those playoff series were kind of shaky in terms of efficiency as the playoffs normally were but he was also very young in his career and had some big moments there too but also too like right while
While I feel that Murray is the better g bigger potential and [ __ ] like that sure hey man I remember when we was covering you know I think it was earlier I think it was this year or maybe back in December when they was playing um the Hornets and
Terry had a five Steel game against Miami yeah like there are there are opportunities for him to get back to scary te as far as his defense um and be able to kind of give you some things that you haven’t got in a while um but
He also has you know Alex being that scoring that scoring ability to like explode like very quickly you know so um but also think he he can be a good playmaker for them so yeah I think his playmaking is actually an underrated part of his game like just looking at um
His assisted turnover ratio it’s actually pretty damn comparable um to dejonte who I feel like gets you know um gets the rep more as like a point guard and a playmaker that I really don’t feel like Rosa gets that rep much if at all I feel like people think of think of him
More as like a a shoot first type of point guard but yeah like their assist like this year and of course this isn’t going to be something that’s like directly translatable to the Heat and and the role that he would be here because he’s not going to be playing the
Same role but with the um the added responsibility he’s had this year and that especially like that stretch without lamelo I mean for the season he’s 30 um his assist percentage is 30 his turnover percentage is nine like that is fantastic that is a 95 percentile 95th percentile assist
Percentage also Alex you know who leads the Heat in assist percentage be nasty it’s Jimmy Butler at 21 and Terry rosers is at 31 yeah so and like I said look he wouldn’t like his usage this year is his career high is a 27 which is very high so look he’s not
Gonna have a 2 27 usage with the heat so I don’t expect similar but even like in in the Years with smaller roles he still had like pretty damn good assist to turnover um percentages when you just look at when you just look at the ratio
For those two like last year 22 to1 the year before 20 to7 you know so it goes from like playing next to lamelo ball playing next to lamelo ball like he he’s not dominating the ball in every possession no but he’s he was the second option and he still had like even last
Year 26 usage and then kind of the years before it was where it was where he was at for the rest of his career where it was around like 23 so you know like let’s say you try to like translate him into a role that he’s been in in the
Pass and it’s more like a 22 or 23 usage even with that I feel good about it and I think that’s the type of stuff you got to consider um you know with any of these point guards we’ve been talking about because it’s like um they’re going to be
Playing a different role so I I I still really like the idea though because a guy can straight up just break down a defense and make a play and that’s really what this is about he can play off ball and he can score from all three levels so I’m into it
Iting along also for what it’s worth he is also third in the NBA in points per possession off of pick and rolls say that again he’s third in the NBA points per possession off the pick and roll bam will bam will give him some screens I will I will say this though
Alex um I was about to call you Greg Brian my bad and that’s crazy that’s crazy is here somewhere in chat I think it’s somewhere in the chat but either one of them bro got dogs in them both of them both of them have dogs
In them and I think you need that type of energy in the team because like Ethan like what we talked about last night Alex like nobody is challenging guys on the team to like hey bro get your [ __ ] together you know what I’m saying and so
Like you need some of that energy need to unretire un Jersey is what so I mean either one you get I feel like it’s going to bring that fire and those things are crucial in in those playoff moments um when you get into the thick of things um so I I right listen
Man I ain’t going to be mad at either one they get yo uh and I just think that Miami has a chance Brian to kind of round out the edges because the market is so thick you know it’s a [ __ ] ton of point guards available a whole bunch of
Teams are making guys available hell the the Shams just reported that uh the Wizards are making everybody available outside of their most recent first round PE like tus Jones would be somebody I consider here too you know look but for me it’s like normally I would come in I would make I
Mean not normally but like I would want to like make except reality jokes but I actually think they’re going to do something based on the stuff that I’ve heard and we saw the Barry Jackson tweet we heard Ethan like Greg like myself like we’re what’s the Barry Jackson
Tweet there was a Barry Jackson tweet basically I scrolled up a little bit they have explored Lowry trades this is a response to another tweet that he had they’ve explored Lowry trades certainly a real possibility don’t know how it will end up but they are looking into
Trades I was assured so he’s couching it a little bit but it’s we’re all saying the same thing where yeah they’re trying to get something done if you watch the Magic game last night you know that they need to do something because that was the kind of and I texted Greg during the
Game and I guess like this would be the last thing I say before I get off I texted Greg during the game because I remember Greg and I talked early on this year and this very early in the season where they came out very sluggish remember that and he was like man this
Team like it almost feels like this group is like sort of ran its course and need to shake up not like a Jimmy bam breakup shakeup but like need some parts need to fortify this rotation need to do something with the Lowry thing and then it didn’t feel like they were going to
Do something then last night I remember that conversation and it felt like that again where it’s like yeah they need some sort of shakeup whether it’s adding in one two I don’t think one is enough enough but adding in a couple of guys to the rotation like they did with Crowder
And Andre gadala and to a lesser extent Solomon Hill think that’s like now you have to do something because the East can be slipping from you a bit and that Lowry spot is just killing you the Miami Heat are 31 and 32 within the last season and a half with Jimmy Butler
Tyler herro and bamat bio playing a game together how many of those Heroes started that’s why it’s a season and a half I’m not going to drop a I’m not going to drop I’m not going to drop a herob bomb today like but I will say
This I’m not gonna do it but just there’s there’s I don’t know if you got the same text but the text I got from secondary source like I listen Eternal I’m more of the read the tea leaves [ __ ] Brian Greg turn you got sources now no bro don’t do that okay
Like I I I I’m being honest because I don’t want people being like Oh no I I am I am very serious about what the [ __ ] I do but from the text I got from a secondary source is that the teror roier [ __ ] might be close is what I heard
I I can’t confirm this [ __ ] nor will Alex aggregated you in the chat already don’t do but basically like it may be close bro that’s text I got out of nowhere is a text from Ethan no it wasn’t I asked Ethan about the [ __ ] text I asked Ethan if he had
The same T I can’t wait to tweet it out according to Eternal no last name given the heat might maybe be close to Terry Rosier potentially I mean hey man hey bro don’t do that [ __ ] with me me all right yeah I mean look I just Eternal going to be on
Drew star that’s funny they got to do something and I wouldn’t worry about the the the Terry Rosier like does Terry Rosier and Tyler hero could they whatever whatever I wouldn’t worry about that I would just go get Terry Rosier and you figure it out you figured yeah
You figure Terry Rosier and Tyler hero can’t quote unquote play together it might not be Terry rosier’s problem oh that’s nasty and on that note if anything breaking happens I will guarantee you this we will be back if anything breaking happens we will come back um and do another playback but we
Appreciate all you guys that’s been in here with us any lasting thoughts you want to share Alex um Brian I don’t bro almost forgot your name again bro I don’t know what the [ __ ] is going on Brian uh Ben I can’t wait for this all to end
With the heat are committed to RJ Hampton as their point guard of the future all right so it address that real quick uh Brian Vice City what he said about uh Jimmy’s friend what am I looking at Brian you supposed to come up here going you supposed to come up here and
Join us to talk all this trade [ __ ] Adam gliston says I thought you said no title bomb that wasn’t a Tyler bomb I don’t have like a Tyler bomb in terms of like info reporting whatever whatever I just have like a thought that we need to like
Really I think the the we need to have we need a different evaluation process I think Bri Brian clearly wants pitchforks uh on his line but no not really I just think like in evaluating the team like I just think we have to look at it it’s
Just in a different T I will say though that that [ __ ] that you shared about one free thr I don’t think Tyler’s getting traded yeah I likee throw he Sur driving to at least the summer if he got traded before the deadline some [ __ ] would have to go incredibly horribly wrong for him
Person they would be getting like I don’t know who’s the team that I don’t know who’s the team that loves Tyler hero and is going to fall over themselves to like try to you know I don’t know that there are some teams that like you know that like him but I
Think probably to an extent so we’ll see Tero this a great old tweet the heat P me off lately that’s what Terry Rosier oh man me too Terry know was funny though what he tweeted that a bunch of young stars like Dame and [ __ ] like that like well not young Stars I’m saying
Some of them guys what Dame is a young man they well yeah he’s R out AG um he’s older than me [ __ ] out of here yo hey bro come on chill chill out chill out all right chill out you you just turned 30 [ __ ] exactly you just ch Dame’s like 30 what 33
34 [ __ ] um any anyway a lot of those guys were fans of the heat so of course you’re gonna find some of them tweets anyway man if y’all hold on before we before we end it I wanted to shout out Brian uh Brian Gordon from heat be who um I asked about
What was going on with the trade machine stuff since Leif on the trade machine he was using it let him swap Terry Rosier for Kyle Lowry straight up on ESPN’s trade machine it does not so I was trying to figure out what was going on there and Brian is like the biggest cap
Expert I know and he replied here and basically cleared up that they can swap Kyle for Terry straight up because of the Hornets being under the first apron and he explained it here in the chat if you want to scroll up and look at it but yeah they could theoretically get a deal
Done with just those two guys no Nick Richards involved none of that or no book Knight so that makes it even more I feel like likely just CU it’s one less like layer like let’s say the Hornets don’t want want to trade Nick Richards because like you said um Brian Mark
Williams is still out um you know he’s a young backup five so maybe they don’t want to move on from him for Thomas BR he’s on a good contract too Alex yeah he’s on a good contract he’s pretty he’s not like super young but he’s decently young and he’s
Better than Thomas Bryant so let’s say they don’t want to move on from him you could still you could still make it happen sorry for the echo um but and the other thing by the way speaking of Terry rosier’s old tweets he’s got an alltime alltime great old tweet I don’t know if
You guys is it the is it about a certain someone being seven feet tall yes yes okay that’s crazy I forgot about that so Vice City asks what do we think about Ernie welcoming Terry now I will I will say Jim’s Camp is very close um some of that though outside of Bernie
Lee himself the agent you can’t really put too much stock in you know because we all got friend groups and [ __ ] like that so I mean you just kind of have to be cautious about that I’m not allowed to read a teror ro your old tweet right should just let
People look that one up a G please yeah I’d say that’s safe right we we’re not in Twitter spaces if we was in Twitter spaces yeah sure no that probably be worse yeah me the Tweet is from 2011 is what I’ll tell people yeah from May 1st
2011 Terry Rosier was like 17 years old also said he been Terry has he deleted that [ __ ] I hope I don’t know but you can find it all right if the people if the people ask if enough people ask for the Tweet we’ll link it it’s posted in discour somebody said
All right that’s crazy uh would you take PJ Tucker on a buyou yeah yeah sure I would I mean I don’t think he would play Brian I would because I would because you need him in the locker room I feel like you need someone oh Lord have mercy you need some
I’m just I’m just asking questions I’m just asking questions just ask all right so it’s Terry right all right let’s go let’s go I gotta go 11 pm on May all right last thing before we get out of here last thing before we get out of here we are doing um a giveaway
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Better stop me you better stop me no but in all reality the the the Heat next game the watch party is going to be at 3 at Rock Esports Center 2K tournament shortly after the game so around 5:30 5:45 make sure to be there I dropped a link Alex you had a
Link for the um you know the uh what am I party yeah for the watch party I didn’t know we was uh I got Jimmy Butler highlights up for some reason but um yeah anyway Alex you can drop the link for the the part till I get out of here the day
Now he forgetting D’Angelo Russell exists I don’t know why I would not ever want to play for the Lakers by the way no bro they just traded for that man last year him and ruy and V at some point you got to take a look at maybe it’s a
LeBron and um ad problem but whatever anyway there’s a link appreciate you guys peace out if any breaking news happens we will be at we will be back peace y’all
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6 Comments
I would love if the heat will make a move now!
I'm tired of rumors,,, make it hapen now! 🔥🔥🔥
I still believe if they landed Danilo they would’ve won the whole thing that year
I will be absolutely shocked if Dejonte ends up anywhere but the Lakers after the latest reports…. If the Heat are quick enough, they can pivot to someone else rather than lose out again, like with Dame.
Murray is the best option. Murray’s numbers on Atlanta this year are a result of coaching. That guy is a dog and was damn near a triple double before he came to Atlanta. Terry rozier would literally be an updated Gabe Vincent.
Can they go get Laurie Markkanen
I hate toxic transaction talk where fans trash players and care more about trades than basketball, but i do think this team needs one.