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Living by the Draft might not be the answer Defense improves Lakers and Warriors reality



Living by the Draft might not be the answer Defense improves Lakers and Warriors reality

For every Oklahoma City that makes you say we should live by the draft there’s an Orlando that makes you say draft beware it’s scary scary when you look at the magic history and we’ll do it next on locked on Jazz you are locked on Jazz your daily

Podcast on the Utah Jazz part of the locked on podcast Network your team every Day hope you’re doing great I’m David lock radio voice Utah jazz jazz MBA Insider this is locked on Jazz today on locked on Jazz we will look back at the Orlando Magic and their seven top six picks in the last 11 years incompetence by their front office or just the drafts way more

Difficult than anyone wants to talk about we’ll talk about that uh a momentary reality check I might be offline but I’m getting a lot of this coming at me uh from various people I’ll check in about the Lakers Warriors and Jazz hey positives defense way better in

The last three games we’ll touch on that Orlando tonight we’ll look at that and then some Taylor Hendrick goals uh for the rest of the season and what we’re actually watching in Taylor Hendricks so that’s all coming up on today’s edition of locked on Jazz I Am

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Done this we should like it’s the ongoing discussion amongst Jazz fans and right now the easy answer is well look what Oklahoma City did right Oklahoma City completely busted on a draft or they took poesy who they’ve waved they semi- missed on a draft or they drafted

Trey man who they’ve now traded and Josh giddy who they’ll likely trade and then they nailed it they hit Chad holgren and Jaylen Williams who are stars and they now have three stars in Shay Guild Alexander who they traded for Chad Holm and Jaylen Williams and they’ve done a bunch of things right

They deserve it ton of credit and they are the number one kind of team that everyone uses as their model for saying you should tank and the draft is the answer well let’s look at the Orlando Magic for a second because this is crazy and stunning and the next time someone

Tells you we should tank you should ask them about the Orlando Magic so the Orlando Magic in the last 11 years have had seven top six picks the Orlando Magic in the last 11 years have played in two first round playoff series won game one of each of them and lost the

Next four and that’s it in 2012 after Stan Van Gundy was Orlando’s head coach they traded Dwight Howard and started a rebuild and over the next six years they broke 30 wins once in 18 1819 with a team of Aaron Gordon Jonathan Isaac Evan forier Nicola vuvi they made the playoffs in two

Series in a row and then they bailed on that and they’ve Lo went 21 and 51 in the so they would have lost 60 in the 70 win 72 game series or close to it they then lost 60 22 and 60 then they went 34

And 48 and now they’re 33 and 26 and currently in the play in but with half game out of the first round of the Eastern Conference playoffs so they win tonight they’re they actually could jump up to five or six and they’re making great in so in a pret started in

2012 here in 2024 they might finally have some pieces to do things because it’s worked well for but if you so they’re incompetent right they’re they’re horrendous they’re incompetent they’ve done they’ve made mistakes but this is a little bit of my Detroit story they haven’t made a lot of mistakes

Let’s walk through their draft history and here’s my rule on when you look at drafts you can’t go 16 Picks later you can but it’s just you’re kind of cherry-picking so who did they pick and then what were like the next five or six picks okay so they got Victor Oladipo in

The second pick of the 2013 draft is when this process starts the first pick was Anthony Bennett turned out to be the one of the worst number one picks of all time and then the guys drafted afterwards were Otto Porter Jr Cody Zeller Alex lender Lind noell and Ben McLemore and then

Cavius calwell pop was a really bad draft it’s the draft everyone is fearful that this draft is it’s also a draft that had Giannis at 15 Kelly lenck at 13 and Rudy goar at 27 so it eventually turned out but the top of this draft was terrible

And they took the best player Victor Oladipo so they did that one right we go to 2014 they have the fourth pick of the draft this is the draft where everyone was supposed to be amazing we’re supposed to to tank and Andrew Wiggins went one Jabari Parker

Went two Joel embiid went three and Orlando’s sitting at four and here are the next players taken Dante exom Aaron Gordon’s who they took Dante exom Marcus Smart Julius Randall Nick stalis Noah vonle Aaron Gordon’s not an awful pick there maybe Julius randles is who you should have

Taken I guess I mean he averages 19 points a game but he’s got a lot of flaws too Aaron Gordon was not a terrible pick there they trade for Alfred Payton who turns out to be terrible never could shoot shot 29% as a point guard never kind of after eight years it’s

Over that’s probably a suspect move that they traded for Alfred Payton Dario sarich was their pick at 12 they traded up in the draft to go get Payton I I don’t know that pton was wrong but like Zack LaVine was still on the board there that wasn’t a great move particularly to

Give up draft capital okay but I’m not sure that Aaron Gordon was like super horrendous then they draft Mario honia in the fifth pick they’re terrible my gosh how do you draft Mario honia in the fifth pick it’s an awful pick he turns out to be a bust he plays 330 games in

The NBA averages seven points it’s a total disaster here are the next picks the next pick’s after Mario honia Willie colly Stein Emanuel moodier Stanley Johnson Frank kamsky and Justice Winslow they all busted none of those became viable rotation NBA players none of them Chris bingos was the pick before

Orando just end up in the wrong spot Mario Z is a terrible pick in the fifth pick of the draft so is the six seventh eth ninth and 10th picks of that draft now as is the case with drafts Miles Turner at 11 was pretty good Devon Booker at 13’s pretty good

Like there are some players so there suddenly three years into being terrible they have Victor olad on Aaron Gordon they’ve done fine but they’re just fine now they’ve missed on hono they made a trade they trade the 16th in the 16th draft they make a mistake they trade their

Pick along with Victor Oladipo to okah who’s injured at this point to Oklahoma City for Serge Ibaka who’s kind of done and they give up their pick is Dada sabonis so that that one’s pretty painful you can’t make a lot of mistakes here because the margin is so small

2017 they draft Jonathan Isaac was a six pick Lowry goes seven then it’s Frank Nina Dennis Smith Jr Zack Collins Malik Monk and luk before Donovan goes 13 sure you could have should have taken Donovan but you’re six to 13 that’s a wide range and Jonathan Isaac Franklin

Was supposed to be really really good he’s torn his ACL three times like that’s I I guess your medical should have known that somehow and Lowry’s a better pick but feels like that one’s hard to criticize Jason Tatum dearon Fox the picks ahead of them I’m being a little generous but not

Too generous I mean J Isaac was really really good he’s supposed to be defensive player of the year he’s going to be jiren Jackson Jr if he doesn’t get hurt okay so at this point they literally have not they they finally they still have not made the playoffs they traded

Dwight Howard in 2012 and they go six years without 30 six years they break 30 wins once and out of it they have Victor Oladipo Aaron Gordon Mario honia Jonathan Isaac Mo bomba is the next pick oops okay this is a mistake they take Mo bomba sixth Wendell

Carter seven Colin seon’s eight Kevin Knox is nine Mel Bridges is 10 and Shay is 11 oops they blew that one now also to their bad luck it was like a five player draft DeAndre Aton Marvin Bagley Luca donic jiren Jackson Jr and Trey young were the five previous

Picks and it definitely fell off the map at that point Shay turns out to be great Collins really good now wasn’t at his first stop Wendell Carter Jr’s been moved Kevin Knox M good Mel Bridges Mel Bridges at 10 would have been a nice pick but that so they miss now they’re

Actually a playoff team they’ve kind of worked their way they made a bunch of other deals they’re a playoff team and they take a Ki in the 16th pick of the draft is coming off an ACL at Auburn it makes some sense and frankly the next player the players drafted around him

Were Romeo Lankford Dibo out of Detroit Oki nikil Alexander Walker Bazi Luca Sonic and mat thel okay okay not a great pick but frankly only nil Alexander Walker played more minutes so I’m not gonna kill him for it 2020 they draft Cole Anthony who’s actually pretty good they draft Cole Anthony with the

15th pick the next pick Isaiah Stewart povi Josh Green sadique Bay precious Chua Tyrese Maxi goes 21 would have been nice if you’d seen that but Cole Anthony’s played more minutes than all those guys but Sadiq Bay and Tyrese Maxi okay it would have been nice if you’d see you got to really

Hit and now they go two years in the playoffs where they go four and out five games and out and they rebuild it again and start Drafting and they draft Jaylen Suggs with the fifth pick of the draft and they tra and they draft fron Vagner in the eighth now that’s a hit

That’s what you’ve got to do so after one two three four five six seven eight nine drafts they finally get a hit like a hit hit fron vogner’s the right pick Warriors should have taken him seventh Oklahoma City should have taken him sixth Orlando should have taken him

Fifth they took Jaylen Suggs he’s been fine then they get the number one pick of the draft and to their credit with a lot of talk and everything else going on they take Paulo banko they will turn out where they maybe should have taken Chad holgren but there was Jabari Smith talking the

Top top and all that and they hit relatively I’m not a huge fan on 44% shooting and 32% three-point shooting so I’m still I know he’s an Allstar I’m still waiting on that one I’m not entirely sure it’s not Carmelo Anthony and then last year they draft

Anthony black with a six pick of the draft in wiie he’s shooting way better from three than any of us expected 37% he’s big and tall at a point guard might have a chance but they started this process in 2012 and they’ve played 10 playoff games

And won two of them trying to live on the draft be careful so the next time somebody talks to you about oh we should be taking we should be this and that talk to them about Orlando in seven top six picks in the last 11 years and when they say well

They just don’t know how to draft go look at them it’s not that simple all right I think a necessary reality check could be wrong and some really good signs defensively come as we’re just getting started here on lock on Jazz today today’s show is brought to you by

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Information all right I am with you 100% that having a team play feeling as though it’s playing as well as it was for the Utah Jab has um and then go into trade deadline and drop since the trade deadline having dropped all but one game

I guess we’re one and six in that time period feels super disheartening super frustrating and hard to deal with I got it I’m with you um you know I don’t want to go back and kind of revisit were we really as good as we thought we were and okay we’re

Playing well like we’re about 500 we were playing well the only thing that I kind of would ask everyone is I’m here well we were in the playoffs and we got out of the playoffs and okay one we were in the play and not the playoffs super different and two did

We really think with the schedule that we had coming and compareed that we were going to catch the Lakers and the Warriors because that’s truly what you had to believe was we were kind of at the exact same record as the Lakers and Warriors if we’re just kind of close to

It like on February 8th the lake the warriors were 23 and 25 we were kind of right around there and the lake and the we actually better and the Lakers were too and we had to believe at that moment two things to not make the trades we made

One was that we were actually going to be able to have a better record than the Lakers and the Warriors the rest of the way I have a caveat do this at the end don’t worry don’t get frustrated don’t be grinding your teeth at me right now I

Got a I got a caveat here at the end that we had to be better than the Warriors who are 23 and 25 the rest of the way and better than the Lakers the rest of the way and that we were going to beat out one of

Them in all likelihood so we could play a single playing game on the road that’s really truly the truth of what was at stake I know that sucks but that’s true maybe we win that game and win maybe win another one on the road unlikely I don’t

Think it’s really been done yet and then we go play in the playoffs maybe but that’s kind of where we were now if your answer that is I don’t care I just want competitive games every night it’s more fun for me on a given night if we win

And if we lose and if we can play better I’m with you 100 per. but if you’re a franchise standpoint you’re Justin and Danny and Ryan and you’re trying to make a decision you’re part your decision is okay what are we really going to get

Done this year are we going to be better than the Warriors and the Lakers the rest of the way and are we really going to get 10th and if we get 10th what is 10th okay now if your answer is I don’t care I follow this team like a sitcom on

A nightly basis and when we win I feel better and when we lose I hate it and it’s super frustrating for me right now when we were playing better to feel like we have a less chance to win everything I’m good I’m with you on that not a

Great way to build a franchise but I’m with because here’s the thing about the Warriors since February 8th which is kind of the trade deadline the Warriors are now seven- two they’re seven and two they’re playing really well their losses are against the Clippers by five into the Nuggets now we’ll see they’re

About to go on the road again and they’re not a great Road team the Lakers who got blasted last night so the wait the Lakers came back and won that game last night oh my gosh I went to bed last night the Lakers were down by a milli

They came back and won wow never mind whoa that’s really funny I didn’t know that uh I literally went to bed last night wondering like is that game worth watching nope it’s not and then Lakers came back to win I’ll have to go watch

It now um but if we go to February 8th on them they were 27 and 26 having just lost to Denver and they’re five- two in their last seven losses are the Warriors and the Sun so and a good win last night against the Clippers and now they have the wizards

They have a home stand that Lakers now play nine of their next 10 at home I I just think it’s worth at least understanding I I I my caveat is real I’m with you that what we complaining about when we talk about it sucks that we traded it

Does suck I got it I love Kelly I love these guys I love oi somebody asked me the other day like who you talk to on the team I was like I’m just I’m I’m rebuilding relationships like that was those are my two guys that I talked

To the most Simone is probably my third um but let’s just I just want to you got it I don’t need to pound it I’m not trying to I just hear I’m getting this like I hear the narrative The Narrative is inaccurate of oh we gave up the playoffs

To get another draft pick and I just talked to you about how dangerous the draft is or at least the top like living off the top of the draft it’s hard uh you just gotta be really really good at it so I just thought it’s worth

Kind of remembering that I also get you super more fun to not be down 12 nothing in Atlanta and not be ready to go and will hardy said it he wants them shot out of a cannon tonight against Orlando to start the game and that they have to

Have some urgency to start game and that they cannot just be waiting for the game to come to them and I think it’ll be really interesting to see whether or not not this group gets back to we’re seeing unfortunate signs I agree that what was the signature of what changed on this

Team Midway through the year was it became a play hard group the tough guys all started playing and then we traded some of those guys Simone particularly and therefore we got to get back to the play Heart Taylor’s got a play Heart ke’s gotta play hard John Collins has to play

Hard Lowry’s got to play hard and not trying to leave anyone out Colin just does play hard so I I just thought that reality checks worth it all right some really good signs defensively and what are we watching for with Taylor Hendricks well I’m not going to be that specific but

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Thanks very much for making locked on Jazz your first listen of the day tonight jazz in the Orlando Magic it is a believe a 7 o’clock start so right in your five o’clock drive tonight we will have it for you which should be super fun uh at least for me because it means

You’re listening and it’s also available on yep five o’clock it’s also available for you on Sirius XM the hometown feed always available on Sirius XM all right little good news here came out of the break Jazz simplified what they’re doing defensively uh are trying to keep the

Ball the paint more are guarding your own man more and their defense in the last three games has been above average in all three games which is pretty great and the last two games they’ve forced a bunch of turnovers which is super unfortunately their offense was had one

Of the worst offensive games of the year against Atlanta um with a 90.7 offensive raing so the which even makes the defensive performance all the more impressive Orlando by the way is a little bit on fire so Orlando in their last five games has shot 46 from three

Has shot 46% 56% 50% 38% and 42% Orlando is not a particularly good offensive basketball team but in their last little few games they’ve been in the 66 percentile 6476 and 9 e percentile they’ve been really good offensively in six of their last eight games and over the last 10 games are the

11th best offensive team in the league so they’re very turnover prone so we could take advantage of that and uh start forcing turnovers again they’re a very high offensive rebounding team so it’s going to have to be physically demanding tonight they’ve been over 30% on their offensive rebounds in seven of

Their last eight games so that’s we got to keep an eye on that um but they have been shooting it and they got a bunch of guys that are really hot Caleb Houston’s who was a second round draft pick the year they got Bono has been beginning to

Shoot it well um and then some of their guys that don’t usually shoot it well Suggs Mo Vagner was a decent shooter um Anthony black are shooting it really really really well um keep an eye all right we’re analyzing Taylor Hendricks on a nightly basis I’ll probably ask

Will this to open the press conference today um but will made an interesting point about Taylor Hendricks and what he’s looking for out and he’s looking for him every answer Will’s giving is about defense we’re all watching Taylor Hendricks offensively does he make shots does he show skills does he do that’s

Not what they want out of Taylor Hendricks right now that’s GNA have to develop over three years that’s kind of the Jaylen Johnson Model we talked about yesterday what they really want out of Taylor Hendricks right now is they want Taylor Hendricks to to work to defensively and if you

Look back he guarded wemi the other night he guarded uh Brandon Miller the night before that and then he guarded bogdon bogdanovich last night three really different types of players tonight he might get Paulo bonero or fron Vagner their primary scores and that’s really what they’re wanting to watch now

Understand go back to something Royce O’Neal taught me hey first time I face these guys it’s hard I don’t know their natural moves I can watch them on film I don’t feel him I don’t get and then the second time I’m I’m handling him so he’s

Going to get burned he go beat on some back door Cuts he’ll get beat on some stuff and but the you’re trying to have him make an impact defensively and that’s really what we should be watching every night with Taylor Hendricks it should not be whether he’s shooting 28

Or 38% from three it should not be whether he made a play off to bounce it should we already can see the springy athletic game he’s got to use his athleticism to get himself involved I think would be probably the other one will would say that he’d like to see out

Of Taylor so as we have Taylor Hendrick’s goals here it’s not that he’s going to bust out 20 I actually think if you want a rookie who’s going to score 20 it could be Bryce sensal like I there could be a night where sensal gets some shots

Starts getting hot and and gets a bunch of looks and gets hot he’s got that in his game um but I think what you are looking for is whether or not you can get Taylor Hendrick to just defend and have an impact defensively and tonight he’s probably going up against Vagner

Bonero bonero is illness questionable but I think he’ll play um and bonero averages 23 and Vagner averages 21 like these guys are really good bonero is physical and is just bullying you he doesn’t have very good shooting touch from the outside so can you like prevent

Him from getting where he wants to and vogner’s a little bit more crafty can you stay out of foul trouble can you kind of keep your body between him and the basket while he’s doing all the stepping up and unders and all those kind of things these are two very

Different players and this is what we’re actually watching for Taylor hundr on a night night basis is how he’s dealing with these very different players that is locked on Jazz from Disney World we’ll join you from Miami tomorrow thank you very much for tuning in hope you’re

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The pro-tanking crowd uses the success of the Oklahoma City Thunder as their model for how things are supposed to work. However, what about the Orlando Magic who have had 7 top 6 picks and 11 years and won 2 playoff games in that span.

David Locke, radio voice of the Utah Jazz and Jazz NBA Insider, takes you through the Orlando Magic history of drafting. The scary part is that their aren’t a collection of mistakes. Instead, the reality of living by the draft is really hard and the draft is a hard way to survive.

Then Locke takes a quick look at the Golden State Warriors and the Los Angeles Lakers and wonders even without the trades were the Utah Jazz really going to be able to catch those two franchises.

The Utah Jazz defense has improved a great deal recently and what we should be watching with Taylor Hendricks on a night in and night out basis.

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16 Comments

  1. Yes I did really believe we could beat the warriors and lakers. But I am a fan, not the gmā€¦ of course I believe, if I didnā€™t why would I even watch?

  2. Look at Philadelphia's high picks only one came out good, almost all didnt pan out. If it wasnt for Embid they would have nothing to show for.

  3. Mario hezonia(?) Was a 6'8 plus athlete who could theoretically shoot. Not much different than GH at 8, but he obviously didnt work hard

  4. Absolutely nobody should buy a house right now at 8% interest rates unless you can flat out buy the house with cash. Im thinking of moving to kansas for this reason lol. That and they give you $15,000 towards a house if you relocate to topeka kansas

  5. Are you watching, Ryan Smith? Because if you want to bring a championship to SLC ad you say you do, you need to compete, not go through endless rebuilds.

  6. What does it say about me? I know the Locked on Jazz jingle by heart and recite it every time. So many years listening to your podcast. I am a first listener.

  7. Meanwhile we have acquired and released and traded an immense amount of very good and great basketball players!!! Why? I donā€™t get it. We want all these draft picks to hopefully get good or hopefully great players. See the irony??? How long ago did we have the best record in the NBA. Couldnā€™t we have built on that???

  8. You are playing both sides of the fence here. On the other hand you are warning against tanking and at the same time supporting tanking which in fact is happening. You may not think or say what Jazz did at the deadline was tanking but FO did intentionally make the team significantly worse and to me it's tanking or making tanking moves.

    I've said it before but personally I didn't think the team was very good or sure to make into play in, let alone playoffs. And I think there was need to make room for Hendricks minutes. Personally I think trading KO was a right move but I could be persuaded into trading Fonntechio instead. Trading both (and Agbaji) was too much and I see as a reasonable fear that Jazz will end up in a cycle of being (borderline) play in team early in a season and then trying to maximize draft position in the latter part of the season.

    Obviously big things can happen in the summer but I feel that the roster is so deeply flawed at the moment that fixing is likely not going to happen in the summer or during next season. What happens then at the next trade deadline, is Jazz again going to trade away players that are keeping them semi competitive (Sexton, Markkanen for example)?

  9. So can we all agree that the front office needs to be excellent? Draft, trades and free agency are the only paths to obtain players. Then, it comes down to development and coaching. After that, the players need to be great, but if they're just mediocre, you have to go back to the beginning. Wash, rinse, repeat. This opportunistic front office has to be cold and calculating, or we get 50 more years of no titles.

  10. This endless selling quality players for draft picks will make Jazz,one of the suckiest teams for the next decade. Youre draining the team of quality at every trade deadline. Im ok with trading of KO cos of Hendricks playing time.Im not ok with trades of Fontech and Agbaji,there we lost defense,will power and unselfishess for absolutely nothing,those two pixks are worthless. Id been ok of trading JC and THT for nothing for these two are selfish burdens to the team.

  11. Whats wrong of being a mid level team and win major part of your home games? This building for future champ contending is bogus,its like winning on a lottery.Whats wrong with getting booted at the 1st round of play offs if the ride up to the play offs have been entertaining. The next season is going to catastrophic. If Id be Lauri or Collin Id ask for a trade. What a waste losing with +20 night after night,at least last season we were competive with the other teams,now we are not. Spurs.Trailblazers,Wizards and Jazz are bottom of NBA.

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