The Jazz trade out of it was nice, and the other two picks could really hit (or really miss!).
Plus, Brown either gets traded for something, or we use cap space for something.
If everything falls flat, yeah, the trade was awful, but realistically, it’s a little soon to evaluate.
ConferenceSlow1091
This was obvious the moment the trade happened
Raptorsthrowaway1
Impossible to evaluate as the picks have yet to be made. We could hypothetically draft the next Kobe with this years Indy pick
However, its on course to be a very bad trade. Right now it stands as Pascal for Bruce Brown (has been really poor), Kelly Olynyk (decent bench big), Ochai (do not believe he will be in Toronto beyond his rookie deal) and likely two late firsts.
Front Office also had a chance to extend the trade to four picks by trading Bruce Brown at the deadline and elected to kick that can down the road. Quite the strategy considering they have been burnt multiple times holding players too long.
555mister
It was an obviously trash return pure asset value wise. regardless if we draft an all star with one of the picks, at the time we sold him at his minimum value
ilickedysharks
I mean yea. Maybe we end up drafting an mvp or all star with the Pacers pick or something, but the process behind the trade was garbage and the value we got for Pascal in his prime was garbage.
n3moh0es
he’s not wrong we got dog shit for an all star player
jjkiller26
When fans realize Siakam never had the value that we thought he did then we can have realistic conversations about the trade return. The potential packages a year prior were hardly any better
sh00ner
Eh, I say it is what it is. Pascal tanked his own value by saying he wanted to test free agency if he was traded, and Masai waited too long to pull the trigger. I think people got their hopes up for one of those massive packages we saw other players get, and we were never going to get that for Pascal. We’ll only know if it’s a complete clusterfuck in a couple of years when all the picks and potential follow up trades (Bruce) finish up.
eucldian
Given the situation, no, this will not godown anywhere near the VC trade, to be honest, it is ridiculous to compare the two. I love Pascal, but he ain’t prime VC.
planterguy
No, not even close.
littlepino34
He is an expiring contract who is going to be overpaid on his next deal and will be considered a negative value contract. No way this is a rational take
Firm_Squish1
Haven’t made any of the picks yet, I doubt it’s a good trade like the OG one. Second worst would require me to think about every bad trade from the last 25 years.
BlackGeniusCanadian
Horrible take. It has no chance of being as bad as the Lowry trade.
I know I know, we were doing right by our GROAT. Still a God awful trade.
Drew_You_To_91
The effects of the Rudy Gobert trade are still massive on the current trade market and have led to teams being further and further apart from one another in terms of generating a balanced trade. Match that with the Kevin durant trade and its made the rental market crash. I still think the return might’ve been better had we moved on from him in the summer but then again there’s no way to know that. The way these picks pan out will determine the trade but so will Pascal’s next contract.
MrJJ
Pascal is a UFA after this year no? I didn’t see any news that he signed an extension. He could just leave Indiana like kawhi did us
duffman274
It will be a bad take until we find out how good/bad the players we select are.
jyh123
just wait until Indy hits years 4 and 5 on that max contract.
motherseffinjones
To early to tell, let’s be real Pascal screwed the franchise on the way out the door not that I blame him after the whole ghosting thing.
stinkybunger
No i dont think it can be that bad but i do think its bad
500mLInstantRamen
Remains to be seen. Probably not, but who knows.
lemonadeisgood4u
The Carter trade was bad in context for its time. If it happened today it’s salary dump, see you later Alonzo Mourning .
Angularbackhands
Bad take. Who else was offering more than 3 1sts for Siakam?
brownjitsu
Its a bad trade because it was a year too late and this is what you get for trading an expiring max or near max player
Pmt1913
Lol come back to me when people say siakam has one of the worst contracts in the league in 2-3 years. It was never about the assets coming back it was always avoiding that massive contract that would really hurt the franchise going forward
readit883
Nope nope ur right… ive been the only one saying this to the peopel i know who follow the sport. Indiana gave us basically their worst player for our best player. Dunno how we let that slide. Bruce brown basically cant even play w our bench and we gave up our starter who is now a starter in Indiana. Why is now one even talking about this. Im glad u noticed this OP.
prodbyzone
It truly depends on what the picks and contract flips turn out to be. At this point it is too early to compare the two trades in their entirety
grenzowip445
Bad take. Not surprising considering the source
NeoDragonKnight
Damons trade was a pretty bad return and Alvin is one of my favorite raptors ever. Those picks were never going to be good going to a stacked portland team. I guess since we still got at least a starter (though I dont think anyone thought Alvin would break out into a good player at that time) in that trade its slightly better then Siakams.
ETNOMAS
Only thing that bothers me about this trade is why we didnt include jalen smith?
desertbirdwatcher
I for one, will not stand this Donyell Marshall slander. Put some respect on the franchise leader in made 3’s for a game’s name!
Huge-Split6250
There was no better offer available.
They weren’t going to extend or max him in the off-season.
We’ve all moved on
jugglers_despair
If it is the second worst, the gap between it and the Vince trade would still be absolutely massive.
The Vince trade was an all time fleecing and was viewed as such at the time.
“Was it for Richard Jefferson?” No Jalen. No it was not.
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I mean, it could, but it might not.
The Jazz trade out of it was nice, and the other two picks could really hit (or really miss!).
Plus, Brown either gets traded for something, or we use cap space for something.
If everything falls flat, yeah, the trade was awful, but realistically, it’s a little soon to evaluate.
This was obvious the moment the trade happened
Impossible to evaluate as the picks have yet to be made. We could hypothetically draft the next Kobe with this years Indy pick
However, its on course to be a very bad trade. Right now it stands as Pascal for Bruce Brown (has been really poor), Kelly Olynyk (decent bench big), Ochai (do not believe he will be in Toronto beyond his rookie deal) and likely two late firsts.
Front Office also had a chance to extend the trade to four picks by trading Bruce Brown at the deadline and elected to kick that can down the road. Quite the strategy considering they have been burnt multiple times holding players too long.
It was an obviously trash return pure asset value wise. regardless if we draft an all star with one of the picks, at the time we sold him at his minimum value
I mean yea. Maybe we end up drafting an mvp or all star with the Pacers pick or something, but the process behind the trade was garbage and the value we got for Pascal in his prime was garbage.
he’s not wrong we got dog shit for an all star player
When fans realize Siakam never had the value that we thought he did then we can have realistic conversations about the trade return. The potential packages a year prior were hardly any better
Eh, I say it is what it is. Pascal tanked his own value by saying he wanted to test free agency if he was traded, and Masai waited too long to pull the trigger. I think people got their hopes up for one of those massive packages we saw other players get, and we were never going to get that for Pascal. We’ll only know if it’s a complete clusterfuck in a couple of years when all the picks and potential follow up trades (Bruce) finish up.
Given the situation, no, this will not godown anywhere near the VC trade, to be honest, it is ridiculous to compare the two. I love Pascal, but he ain’t prime VC.
No, not even close.
He is an expiring contract who is going to be overpaid on his next deal and will be considered a negative value contract. No way this is a rational take
Haven’t made any of the picks yet, I doubt it’s a good trade like the OG one. Second worst would require me to think about every bad trade from the last 25 years.
Horrible take. It has no chance of being as bad as the Lowry trade.
I know I know, we were doing right by our GROAT. Still a God awful trade.
The effects of the Rudy Gobert trade are still massive on the current trade market and have led to teams being further and further apart from one another in terms of generating a balanced trade. Match that with the Kevin durant trade and its made the rental market crash. I still think the return might’ve been better had we moved on from him in the summer but then again there’s no way to know that. The way these picks pan out will determine the trade but so will Pascal’s next contract.
Pascal is a UFA after this year no? I didn’t see any news that he signed an extension. He could just leave Indiana like kawhi did us
It will be a bad take until we find out how good/bad the players we select are.
just wait until Indy hits years 4 and 5 on that max contract.
To early to tell, let’s be real Pascal screwed the franchise on the way out the door not that I blame him after the whole ghosting thing.
No i dont think it can be that bad but i do think its bad
Remains to be seen. Probably not, but who knows.
The Carter trade was bad in context for its time. If it happened today it’s salary dump, see you later Alonzo Mourning .
Bad take. Who else was offering more than 3 1sts for Siakam?
Its a bad trade because it was a year too late and this is what you get for trading an expiring max or near max player
Lol come back to me when people say siakam has one of the worst contracts in the league in 2-3 years. It was never about the assets coming back it was always avoiding that massive contract that would really hurt the franchise going forward
Nope nope ur right… ive been the only one saying this to the peopel i know who follow the sport. Indiana gave us basically their worst player for our best player. Dunno how we let that slide. Bruce brown basically cant even play w our bench and we gave up our starter who is now a starter in Indiana. Why is now one even talking about this. Im glad u noticed this OP.
It truly depends on what the picks and contract flips turn out to be. At this point it is too early to compare the two trades in their entirety
Bad take. Not surprising considering the source
Damons trade was a pretty bad return and Alvin is one of my favorite raptors ever. Those picks were never going to be good going to a stacked portland team. I guess since we still got at least a starter (though I dont think anyone thought Alvin would break out into a good player at that time) in that trade its slightly better then Siakams.
Only thing that bothers me about this trade is why we didnt include jalen smith?
I for one, will not stand this Donyell Marshall slander. Put some respect on the franchise leader in made 3’s for a game’s name!
There was no better offer available.
They weren’t going to extend or max him in the off-season.
We’ve all moved on
If it is the second worst, the gap between it and the Vince trade would still be absolutely massive.
The Vince trade was an all time fleecing and was viewed as such at the time.
“Was it for Richard Jefferson?” No Jalen. No it was not.