[BS Pod] “I think Wemby’s in the All-NBA conversation. If you’re gonna make the Haliburton case, its basically he was so awesome 1st 10 weeks—has to be 3rd team. Wemby’s been so awesome the last 2 months, I’m willing to throw out every rule I have—he’s winning games by himself w/ these shit players”
by sewsgup
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Bill Simmons pretending he has coherent rules to how votes.
What games are they winning 💀
Media loves its shiny new toys so much it neglects to value its established stars sometimes
just the title makes me realize why i hate the voters.
Neither deserve the last spot more than Paul George
He didn’t even vote for either Wemby or Haliburton though.
So recency bias? Lol
Same as Doris saying yesterday that Brunson deserved 1st team over Giannis.
a dude got upvoted on here for saying wemby and AD are on the same tier already
Apparently record matters in all nba
It’s not *that* insane, though I disagree with the reasoning. A 21/11/4 and leading the league in blocks is at least worthy of consideration.
I wouldn’t vote him in as 3rd team is really jammed up this season, and there are some good players on good teams that are just as deserving, if not more so.
Agree. Can be third team but he should be all NBA for sure.
“shit players” – that is unnecessarily harsh
bill is an arrogant man
If you want to do the full season, Vic is at 21.4/10.6/3.9/3.6 in just shy of 30 MPG, shooting 46.5/32.5/79.6 splits (56.5 TS%)
That’s pretty good just on box score value – from an advanced stats perspective he’s 95th percentile in EPM (+4.1, that’s 24th in the league), mostly due to the defensive component, and has basically the same breakdown on LEBRON (23rd in the league thanks to a hefty defensive score).
There a few guys ranked above him in one or both of those stats that aren’t eligible due to missed time (Embiid, Mitchell, Kyrie, Jimmy), others that are per-minute advanced stats darlings but don’t imo have a reasonable case over Vic (Jarrett Allen, FVV, Hartenstein).
All that would have him right around 15th most impactful player on the season. I think I tend to lean PG over either Hali or Wemby, but I think a real argument can be made.
Lmfao OP posted an off hand 30 second blurb teasing a part two discussion. He’s looking for your outrage attention. Successfully so far.
I think Wemby has been playing at an All-NBA 3rd team level for the last 2-3 months. But he wasn’t close to that for like the first 2 months of the season. He was playing All-D level defense but his offense was not there yet. Can’t vote the guy in on the basis of how good he was just at the end of the year
>> shit players
Bill Simmons is such an asshole
The Grizzlies set an NBA record for the most number of players used in games this year. They probably sampled a G-League player from every damn G-League team. And Yet, they still managed to win 27 games. Don’t give me this shit about the Spurs having shit players outside of Wemby. Most of the players playing the majority of minutes this season played similar minutes last season and the Spurs won the exact same number of games despit having Wemby.
I haven’t looked in the past week but the Spurs’ winning percentage with and without Wembanyama was exactly the same at least until recently.
Those “shit players” had the same record last year without Wemby
>”Hes winning game by himself with these shit players”
Is he though? Spurs record this year with Wemby: 22-60. Spurs record last year before drafting Wemby? 22-60
Not saying he shouldn’t be in the conversation, but the Spurs were garbage tier ass all year and his offensive efficiency leaves a lot to be desired. Hes soon going to be winning all the awards no need to rush to crown him early when I think some other guys have better cases on better teams
In 3 years he will be the best player in the world
>I’m willing to throw out every rule I have—he’s winning games by himself w/ these shit players
2022-2023 Spurs record: 22-60
2023-2024 Spurs record: 22-60
Along with everyone else, I am a huge Vic fan and he will be in DPOY/MVP conversations next year, but this pervasive narrative that he is dragging scrubs to wins fails to acknowledge that those same scrubs won the same amount of games last year without Vic.
Vic deserves rookie of the year and some DPOY/all defense discussion (though he should not win DPOY). While his impact is noticeable and having a conversation that his numbers could be all-nba worthy is fine, I just disagree that anyone on a 22 win team (2 years in a row) deserves an all-nba selection.
We don’t even need to go back as far as Lebron or KD. Wemby not doing anything Luka didn’t do a few years ago
People love to overhype
The Spurs having an **identical** record compared to last year kind of throws a wrench in the “he’s winning games by himself” argument
I think I called 2k a trash game cause he averaged 18ppg, 10 rebounds and 3.1 blocks a game his rookie year. Won DPOY and ROTY as a 90 overall.
Then he actually had 21 ppg, 10 rebounds and 3.6 blocks. Actually almost won DPOY. And had a way better 3pt% IRL.
Moral of the story 2k is still trash but this kid really is a cheat code. Please stay healthy 🙏