Lebron having only 4 mvps considering he has been great for 20 years seems low retrospectively
barbarossinan
I was a Lebron hater before, I only watch Lakers games (and maybe the finals if the matchup is fun) and I only watched him when he played against Lakers. I used to think it was Kobe and MJ for 1A and 1B and I did not care about the rest. But now that I watched every Lebron game for the last 5 years, I just can not deny that he is the greatest basketball player of all-time. I still love Kobe, he is a real life inspiration to me and I don’t care about Lebron outside the court. But I just can not deny the truth.
IdkWhatsAGoodName699
If voters were impartial, Lebron would have double digit MVP’s by now. Or close to it. Insane consistency.
He deserves a better coach than pig derived meat
BrianC_
I hate how often people just list stats outside of context from different eras.
LeBron’s efficiency this season was great, but the league average TS% right now is 58%. In terms of relative TS%, he’s +5.
In 2007-08, the league average TS% was 54%. Kobe was +3.6. But, Kobe also scored at a higher volume than LeBron has especially when adjusted for pace.
In 2004-05, the league average TS% was 52.9%. Nash was +7.7. But, LeBron also scored at a higher volume than Nash did even when adjusted for pace.
In 2010-11, the league average TS% was 54.1%. Rose was +0.9 and I consider him to be a total fraud MVP.
Iverson gets dragged for his efficiency but as putrid as it sounds, 51.8 TS% was actually the league average in 2000-01. Also, it’s important to note that Iverson did score 31.1ppg while his team had a snail’s pace of 90.6 compared to the 100.9 of the current Lakers.
For both BPM and PER, there are limitations in terms of their formulas (like the value of a possession in PER calculations) that don’t translate fairly between eras.
rarmih
Yeah but the game changed. I’m not happy that it did..but it did. 🙂
Anyway ..great season for him. 👏🏼
ILikeit__7
He should be first team all nba this year
kiboyski
Crazy
AljoGOAT
says alot about the state of the game tbh
the_j_tizzle
Kobe’s team won 57. The Iverson Sixers won 56. Nash’s Suns won 62. DRose and his Bulls won 62. The Lakers won just 47.
There is no set meaning for the Most Valuable Player award (so we debate) but what has always been implicit is it is awarded to the player most valuable to his team’s **success**. How many times have we heard of a good stats on a bad team being downplayed? Yes, LeBron’s longevity is remarkable, but these four MVPs had more success in these MVP seasons.
darwinsaves
Seriously he should have like 10 MVPs
Miserable-Lawyer-233
That TS% is real nice.
_Aracano
LeBron should have 5 or 6 MVPs, so dumb voter fatigue
irwanchel
Yet no one votes him for 2nd all nba team
90059bethezip
LeBrongevity
hisanishakur
The fact Kobe only got 1 mvp is extremely absurd *
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Insane
Lebron having only 4 mvps considering he has been great for 20 years seems low retrospectively
I was a Lebron hater before, I only watch Lakers games (and maybe the finals if the matchup is fun) and I only watched him when he played against Lakers. I used to think it was Kobe and MJ for 1A and 1B and I did not care about the rest. But now that I watched every Lebron game for the last 5 years, I just can not deny that he is the greatest basketball player of all-time. I still love Kobe, he is a real life inspiration to me and I don’t care about Lebron outside the court. But I just can not deny the truth.
If voters were impartial, Lebron would have double digit MVP’s by now. Or close to it. Insane consistency.
He deserves a better coach than pig derived meat
I hate how often people just list stats outside of context from different eras.
LeBron’s efficiency this season was great, but the league average TS% right now is 58%. In terms of relative TS%, he’s +5.
In 2007-08, the league average TS% was 54%. Kobe was +3.6. But, Kobe also scored at a higher volume than LeBron has especially when adjusted for pace.
In 2004-05, the league average TS% was 52.9%. Nash was +7.7. But, LeBron also scored at a higher volume than Nash did even when adjusted for pace.
In 2010-11, the league average TS% was 54.1%. Rose was +0.9 and I consider him to be a total fraud MVP.
Iverson gets dragged for his efficiency but as putrid as it sounds, 51.8 TS% was actually the league average in 2000-01. Also, it’s important to note that Iverson did score 31.1ppg while his team had a snail’s pace of 90.6 compared to the 100.9 of the current Lakers.
For both BPM and PER, there are limitations in terms of their formulas (like the value of a possession in PER calculations) that don’t translate fairly between eras.
Yeah but the game changed. I’m not happy that it did..but it did. 🙂
Anyway ..great season for him. 👏🏼
He should be first team all nba this year
Crazy
says alot about the state of the game tbh
Kobe’s team won 57. The Iverson Sixers won 56. Nash’s Suns won 62. DRose and his Bulls won 62. The Lakers won just 47.
There is no set meaning for the Most Valuable Player award (so we debate) but what has always been implicit is it is awarded to the player most valuable to his team’s **success**. How many times have we heard of a good stats on a bad team being downplayed? Yes, LeBron’s longevity is remarkable, but these four MVPs had more success in these MVP seasons.
Seriously he should have like 10 MVPs
That TS% is real nice.
LeBron should have 5 or 6 MVPs, so dumb voter fatigue
Yet no one votes him for 2nd all nba team
LeBrongevity
The fact Kobe only got 1 mvp is extremely absurd
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