Depends on who’s available at 9. Also Bruce Brown makes 24m? Not easy to match his salary without losing a decent player
GEFool
Is Bruce Brown a 5? Then NO.
Denisaur9
I think they would be more interested in Yak.
noronto
Wasn’t Jakob the 9th pick? I’m sure the sub would react positively to trading him for that pick.
CazOnReddit
The Grizzlies don’t have many “filler” options (I forget how much Ziaire Williams is making but it’s probably not enough) and I don’t believe they have the cap space to absorb his contract
And no: You don’t trade Poeltl for the 9th pick. It’s one thing to hope we keep our pick for “free”, it’s another to trade him to get another pick in this draft.
ttttyttt678
Jakob + 19 pick for 9th Pick + Clarke + Konchar. This is the trade I think will happen. Move up 10 spots, get a 27 year old Canadian who can play PF in Clarke and Konchar can fill some mins as a back guard. Konchar and Clarke are expendable fir the Grizzles as Santi Aldama, Vince Williams, GG Jackson and either Marcus Smart or Zaire Williams have shown to be a solid bench unit. EDIT: Thought Clarke’s injury is ACL not Achilles, I wouldn’t do this trade if 19 is involved now.
-vinay
There now seems to be multiple teams in the top 10 who will be shopping their pick (Rockets, Grizzlies), and I assume it will drive the price down.
I don’t think these picks will get large returns
MajorBag4
Half the sub complained how Yak wasn’t worth the 8th pick but now Memphis should trade their 9th pick for him? If anything we have to give up 19 and maybe some seconds
hmufammo
I remember last year’s draft with OG or Pascal for #3 Scoot rumours. I am not sure who here remember and same shit with year before and also Barnes draft.
Same old rumours of hunting for lottery pick with one of our players, but Masai will never do that.
Icy-Lime-9760
Boucher for 9, get it done.
CanadaBBallFan
If it was top 5 I’d be more interested. 9 is still a bit low unless we’re after someone like Knecht or Holland
McWarrior943
I would trade a package surrounding Poeltl for it but I doubt Masai would trade him. They have to justify keeping him for “development” reasons
KADuncil
So we spend most of the season talking about how this is a weak class, but now that the lottery has passed everyone now has FOMO and wants to trade into the lottery?
keeeeener
These takes are so hilarious. Surely everyone that are contemplating trading Jak for the 9th pick aren’t the same ones crying about how bad of a trade Masai made right? The 8th and 9th pick are very different!!!!
vaalbarag
I posted a short version of this yesterday in the daily discussion, but here’s my proposal around this:
Poeltl and Boucher to Memphis
9 and 3rd team filler package to Toronto*
Kennard and Rose to 3rd team (see below for alternate package**)
*the third team player (or package) needs to be between $7m and $10m, and the team cannot be over the first apron. So for example, Dosunmu from Chicago would work. So would Duarte and Jones from Sacramento. This should be thought of as filler though.
**There are also versions of this framework that work using Clarke and Williams instead of Kennard and Rose. This framework might be more realistic because Grizzlies are already short on shooting and might value Kennard highly, plus Boucher can slot in as a discount Clarke… Clarke’s the better player but they fill almost identical roles.
In this framework, Boucher goes into the Grizzlies TPE. The 3rd team package goes into the Siakam TPE. In addition to the players involved, Raptors generate two big TPEs: $11m for Boucher and $19.5m for Poeltl (note that these can’t be combined). They don’t have to use this right now, but if a team is looking to shed bad salary for picks, Raptors can step up here, take the bad salary and additional assets.
In terms of additional roster moves:
Raptors now have as much as $46m in cap space if they also decline Brown and release GTJ. Obviously that leaves us short at center, but there’s an obvious second move here: Knicks can only offer Hartenstein $16m (due to early bird rights). Raptors go after him and offer more… maybe $19m. That’s an overpay, but one the Raptors can afford to make; even with his CAA ties, it would be hard for Hartenstein to turn down. There might be other teams bidding for Hartenstein, but nobody else who would be super-aggressive, unless things change.
Then, they’ve still got $25m to go after another major free agent, or break it up amongst a couple. A devil-you-know option here might be to bring back GTJ at around $15m, and then $10m on a reserve wing. Naji Marshall might be a good target.
So, Raptors roster after this series of moves:
Quickley/GTJ/Barrett/Barnes/Hartenstein
Dick/Marshall/Agbaji/Olynyk/McDaniels
(whoever they get as the third-team filler)/ any salary dump players they absorb / as many as three draft picks at #9/#19/#31, although trading up here looks juicy too, since there are fewer holes in this roster to plug now. But staying with our picks, you could target:
a PG at #9: McCain, Carter or any higher-profile guard who drops… maybe even Topic now?
a center at #19: Missi/Chomche/Edey/Filipowski/Ware… pick your favorite C archetype, there will be lots on the board here
a wing at #31: Dunn/Dadiet/George/Furphy/Karaban etc.
A series of moves like that is really aggressive, but creates a roster that has a lot of upside, IMO.
Cheechers23
Kennard, Rose, and 9 for Poeltl (maybe you also include 19 or 31 here) seems like the straightforward package. You then also have cap space to pursue someone like Hartenstein and can moreso afford to let Gary walk with Kennard.
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Depends on who’s available at 9. Also Bruce Brown makes 24m? Not easy to match his salary without losing a decent player
Is Bruce Brown a 5? Then NO.
I think they would be more interested in Yak.
Wasn’t Jakob the 9th pick? I’m sure the sub would react positively to trading him for that pick.
The Grizzlies don’t have many “filler” options (I forget how much Ziaire Williams is making but it’s probably not enough) and I don’t believe they have the cap space to absorb his contract
And no: You don’t trade Poeltl for the 9th pick. It’s one thing to hope we keep our pick for “free”, it’s another to trade him to get another pick in this draft.
Jakob + 19 pick for 9th Pick + Clarke + Konchar. This is the trade I think will happen. Move up 10 spots, get a 27 year old Canadian who can play PF in Clarke and Konchar can fill some mins as a back guard. Konchar and Clarke are expendable fir the Grizzles as Santi Aldama, Vince Williams, GG Jackson and either Marcus Smart or Zaire Williams have shown to be a solid bench unit. EDIT: Thought Clarke’s injury is ACL not Achilles, I wouldn’t do this trade if 19 is involved now.
There now seems to be multiple teams in the top 10 who will be shopping their pick (Rockets, Grizzlies), and I assume it will drive the price down.
I don’t think these picks will get large returns
Half the sub complained how Yak wasn’t worth the 8th pick but now Memphis should trade their 9th pick for him?
If anything we have to give up 19 and maybe some seconds
I remember last year’s draft with OG or Pascal for #3 Scoot rumours. I am not sure who here remember and same shit with year before and also Barnes draft.
Same old rumours of hunting for lottery pick with one of our players, but Masai will never do that.
Boucher for 9, get it done.
If it was top 5 I’d be more interested. 9 is still a bit low unless we’re after someone like Knecht or Holland
I would trade a package surrounding Poeltl for it but I doubt Masai would trade him. They have to justify keeping him for “development” reasons
So we spend most of the season talking about how this is a weak class, but now that the lottery has passed everyone now has FOMO and wants to trade into the lottery?
These takes are so hilarious. Surely everyone that are contemplating trading Jak for the 9th pick aren’t the same ones crying about how bad of a trade Masai made right? The 8th and 9th pick are very different!!!!
I posted a short version of this yesterday in the daily discussion, but here’s my proposal around this:
Poeltl and Boucher to Memphis
9 and 3rd team filler package to Toronto*
Kennard and Rose to 3rd team (see below for alternate package**)
*the third team player (or package) needs to be between $7m and $10m, and the team cannot be over the first apron. So for example, Dosunmu from Chicago would work. So would Duarte and Jones from Sacramento. This should be thought of as filler though.
**There are also versions of this framework that work using Clarke and Williams instead of Kennard and Rose. This framework might be more realistic because Grizzlies are already short on shooting and might value Kennard highly, plus Boucher can slot in as a discount Clarke… Clarke’s the better player but they fill almost identical roles.
In this framework, Boucher goes into the Grizzlies TPE. The 3rd team package goes into the Siakam TPE. In addition to the players involved, Raptors generate two big TPEs: $11m for Boucher and $19.5m for Poeltl (note that these can’t be combined). They don’t have to use this right now, but if a team is looking to shed bad salary for picks, Raptors can step up here, take the bad salary and additional assets.
In terms of additional roster moves:
Raptors now have as much as $46m in cap space if they also decline Brown and release GTJ. Obviously that leaves us short at center, but there’s an obvious second move here: Knicks can only offer Hartenstein $16m (due to early bird rights). Raptors go after him and offer more… maybe $19m. That’s an overpay, but one the Raptors can afford to make; even with his CAA ties, it would be hard for Hartenstein to turn down. There might be other teams bidding for Hartenstein, but nobody else who would be super-aggressive, unless things change.
Then, they’ve still got $25m to go after another major free agent, or break it up amongst a couple. A devil-you-know option here might be to bring back GTJ at around $15m, and then $10m on a reserve wing. Naji Marshall might be a good target.
So, Raptors roster after this series of moves:
Quickley/GTJ/Barrett/Barnes/Hartenstein
Dick/Marshall/Agbaji/Olynyk/McDaniels
(whoever they get as the third-team filler)/ any salary dump players they absorb / as many as three draft picks at #9/#19/#31, although trading up here looks juicy too, since there are fewer holes in this roster to plug now. But staying with our picks, you could target:
a PG at #9: McCain, Carter or any higher-profile guard who drops… maybe even Topic now?
a center at #19: Missi/Chomche/Edey/Filipowski/Ware… pick your favorite C archetype, there will be lots on the board here
a wing at #31: Dunn/Dadiet/George/Furphy/Karaban etc.
A series of moves like that is really aggressive, but creates a roster that has a lot of upside, IMO.
Kennard, Rose, and 9 for Poeltl (maybe you also include 19 or 31 here) seems like the straightforward package. You then also have cap space to pursue someone like Hartenstein and can moreso afford to let Gary walk with Kennard.
lets give up poeltl for the 9th
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