Our FIRST look at Deshaun Watson since shoulder surgery & is Evan Mobley worth the max extension?

Our FIRST look at Deshaun Watson since shoulder surgery & is Evan Mobley worth the max extension?

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behind the glass we’ve got security guard Daryl in here with us today we not supposed to say that Daryl was here I don’t know Daryl’s officially official security for the ultimate it is now it is now four black people in the building yes and where where more than two black people con congregate Everything Changes the music changes the lighting that’s true um the jewelry the slang the vernacular everything changes so you know speaking of which it’s funny because I was listening to an interview with Isaiah hartenstein from the Knicks he’s black he’s mixed right he you and you wouldn’t know it looking at him no he did a whole interview where he had to explain how he was mixed and he goes and I and he was saying to whoever was doing the interview was another one of the Nick’s players was interviewing him uh wasn’t it on the jayen Brunson and Josh Hart yes I don’t think I don’t know if Josh Hart was there but Jaylen Brunson was intervie and he goes and Isaiah hartstein goes as soon as people found out I was black they would shake my hands differently they would do all it was so funny I I had a weird situation like that as well when I was in the league it was this guy by the name maashous Marsh he went to UCLA he was with me in Seattle and San Francisco and when we was in Seattle he looks white yeah curly Ginger hair tattoos and all this he looked like uh the bird man you remember the Birdman from Anderson yeah Chris he looked just like you so I’m look I’m in the locker room and he dropping the N word and everybody looking at him yeah you hey what you doing you do get you get like a packet like you get like a packet when they introduce you into the community and they tell you how many times you can say that like and so you know we had we just all met and decided whether Drake was allowed to say that yeah and and so it according to Kendrick Kendrick we don’t want to hear him say it no more so so he can say it anywhere uh east of the Mississippi River but he Co pass 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wow I was talk I came in Midway through I was like I’m like got a beautiful mind I I thought for a second isn’t it C you could be like listen I got headphones on so like I’m hearing you guys but if you’re talking to someone else you hear and it literally goes in one ear like nothing register that just happened to me my bad up that is so funny by the way I was just telling the guys before the show if you haven’t seen it great movie came out last year I just watched it um in the last few days called American fiction I can’t remember the name of the lead actor he was in I can’t remember the show he was in the name of the show but uh anyway uh Jeffrey Wright Jeffrey Wright yeah yeah he was in uh Westworld Westworld right the guy who was in Westworld uh he’s an awesome actor and the movie is great I recommend everybody see it it was really and and uh also Sterling K Brown from This Is Us people if you watch that show you know who he is um he’s in it too it’s a great great movie check it out uh anyway guys lot to get to today this this hot topics on the Guardians the Browns and the Cavs will certainly going to spent plenty of time on the Guardians next hour and we’ll talk about the Cavs and what’s going on are they going to fire JB it’s been what today’s a week a week last Wednesday the team was eliminated so been and JB as of this moment is still the head coach of the Cavs will that continue beyond this day we don’t know we’ll get into all of that later but we’re going to start with the Browns a mini camp going on right now or otaa is going on right now and deshun Watson threw in practice yesterday how’d he look will he throw today we’ll get into all that but first uh hopefully the president of the Isaiah hartstein uh fan club Mike Lucas I was listening so I know it’s time to do a FanDuel read it’s winner take all time in the NBA and NHL and FanDuel is giving you a shot to bring home a big win of your own right now new customers get $150 in bonus Bets with any winning $5 bet that’s 150 bucks to bet on spreads moneylines player props and more visit fanduel.com ucss and make every playoff shot count FanDuel America’s number one Sportsbook we got a couple winning tickets we’ll get to in the second hour of the show but let’s dive right into the desan Watson topic guys he threw yesterday for the first time in public with the Browns since the season ending shoulder injury we have a couple videos the Browns release Steve if you want to take tagboard full this is Deshawn Watson throwing to teammates this was from the Browns Twitter account they also posted a video on their Instagram G tyus bull how do you think Deshawn looked in these very minimal Clips we got three throws but what do you make of the three throws we saw from Deshawn does the throwing motion look normal any hitch from the shoulder surgery it’s a small sample size but what’ you see well off the bat we got to talk about the visor the visor is cold man listen that boy swag is always on a trillion when he out there I can’t lie about that um as far as the throw motion goes it looks all natural to me it looks good to me the only thing I would tell him is to stop patting the ball because as a DB I know you getting ready to throw it and I’m jumping it that’s the only I look at that bam I’m gone see that yeah you like that don’t you you like that outside of that everything else look natural it he didn’t obviously he didn’t throw no deep routes so I don’t know how much he can push the ball down the field but right there that for that little route right there that looks good to me look like a timing throw have you noticed him do that in games Pat the ball yeah yeah it’s a it’s a common thing that a lot of quarterbacks do it’s just it’s it’s what it is it’s a tell well yeah that’s so G you when you when you when you got a arm I’mma Pat the ball and tell these defenses these DBS hey catch it if you can hey Patrick Mahomes do a lot of stuff don’t mean you can get to that’s the truth too now look man um first and foremost this is why tyus needs to be on the show he he already pointed out the most important thing out of this let’s look at the fit right now for the white face mask looks tremendous he has the orange Jersey on I’m still waiting to get those orange jerseys back those those joints with Kelly hulum uh first and foremost you see the towel hanging the towel look good the visor is ridiculous um wristbands look good and I love the fact that he got The Wristband in the front right here put it on got it yeah just look down I’m ready to go and so you know he don’t have the orange uh his his traditional orange uh tape on it on his cleat but that’ll be coming and uh so secondary man these just two slant throws I could throw these balls right here that’s easy one two three that’s nothing listen this is you’re not going to get nothing from this yeah no this is these routes is these is 10 yards at the most and let’s say it all together boys and girls these are minimum MOSI yeah these boys ain’t no regular opening day is what September 11th 12th what’s the exact day 10 hold on one sec 10th refresh my memory Mike week one in the NFL this season begins on not preseason I don’t want preseason come on NL season nobody cares September 7 11 12th right the 10th it’s the eth all right so guys we’re almost at the end of May so we’re really what three and a half months away from opening day it’ll be here before you know it cuz summer always goes too fast anyway I agree this is no shot at Watson or anything but it doesn’t matter what he does in OTAs it doesn’t matter what he does in mini camp it doesn’t matter what he does working out it doesn’t yeah it’s good that he’s throwing he seems to be throwing fine doesn’t seem to be any restrictions there that’s a positive but it doesn’t matter what he does in the preseason it doesn’t matter what he does in training camp none of it matters only thing that matters is what he does September 8th how he looks then how he looks now who cares he’s not getting tackled there’s no threat of getting tackled there’s no threat of getting hit that’s going to make it easier for any quarterback to throw and G just said it I mean he’s thrown a couple easy slant passes what am I going to learn here there’s nothing I’m going to learn that’s not a negative or a positive it just is what it is yeah we got D we we know Deshawn was Watson has talent the Browns wouldn’t have traded all the all the things they did and paid him all the money if he wasn’t a super star Talent the question is can he consistently display that Talent on the field during games as he did almost all the time in Houston if he can they’re they’re going to be excellent if he can’t they’ll still be good but not excellent that’s it I I when it I’ll see him on September 8th he’s not going to play in the preseason I don’t think if he is it’s going to be minoski a couple of plays so we’re really not going to yes it’s a again it’s a positive that he’s on the field and he’s throwing if he couldn’t throw now that would be a negative but I just don’t think anything matters until the game starts I just found it to be very hard that a guy who went out there and threw with it broken can’t throw with it fixed like that’s so I wasn’t never concerned about him not being there for the season start and N of that stuff cuz he did it with it messed up so how would he not be with it fixed um well he might not have been 100% we don’t know that I guess why why you looking like it’s a new injury nobody’s had this before in terms of quarterbacks yeah okay um like I said for me it’s nice to see him throwing it like I said everything looks good I don’t see no no tweaking his motion or anything like that it still looks the same it looks fluid but the true the true test would be I need to see him throw a fade let me see him throw a 15 yard dig let me see him throw a post route like that’s that’s where I want to see because I feel like when you think about how this new office is supposed to be in this this pass and attack I think it would be much more vertical so I wanted to see him complete those throws the hitch routee which is like eight 8 to 10 yards and the slant that’s from anywhere from three to 5 yards like I don’t I can throw that like yeah I can throw that now but I need to see him with the offense and the fact that well I don’t know if we move into that topic the fact that he threw yesterday and now he’s not throwing today like that is interesting because maybe it’s more yeah you know day one install is all basic stuff so it’s like never really down the today would be more getting them to go more down you want to get these guys you don’t want to you don’t want guys to come off of a offse program and get straight to running full speed to going down the field running phas and all of those things you want to ramp them up to that and I think that today would be more of a day where they start to push the routes more down the field that’s why it’s interesting that he’s not throwing today G the Browns control the message here on the Sha Watson he threw and there was no media so they put out the video of whatever they want today the media is going to be out there know desan throwing is there anything suspicious or is it is is it a nothing burger here man listen I you know I’ll be praying at night and before I go to sleep I’ll be like dear Lord please let deshun Watson throw for 5,000 yards I would like to see him get 40 touchdowns I would too man please please please protect his upper body and so that he may finish the season ready to go and the Browns make the playoffs and make a deep push because the only reason I’m not saying this because I want them to be good as I want to be be Petty I want to be Petty listen but it happens trust me don’t you get in the comment section and tell me n g you’re beating the dead horse here give me to be beating the dead horse you’re beating the dead horse 5,000 yards I’mma just come in here I’mma go to gas stations B buy a bag of Cheetos and just pour them out and walk out I paid for it that’s how Petty I’m going to be I’m going to be like listen I’m going to tell you what the right Jason Lloyd you got you you got tweet save I listen already they already scheduled the schedule it’s like an algorithm the AI was like anything over 350 Petty G bush is already AI on everybody’s time because look man I be wanting because what right now we the only fan base that got that do this right now that like right now we’re the only fan base that has to be like wow our quarterback threw the ball one time today and we just we that’s not true Cincinnati’s probably like that no they’re not they’re not Joe Joe had a r Joe burrow receives none of this Joe burrow is immune bro he matter of fact Joe burrow is so immune he didn’t even get the CO shot I Hey listen you know he don’t get that it’s not an Apples to Apples thing look see I told you def he would know he would know second now I am a little concerned about Joe burrow in terms of injuries see but the difference is Joe Burrow’s played great for the Bengals deshun Watson has not played great for the Browns that’s a big difference I see I told you isn’t that fair I mean I you he get I told him M he get something when you say not great what do you mean by that I’ll stop it you know exactly what I’m talking see she said ain’t nobody else got to do nobody he went for was we got guys we got listen it’s so bad it’s so bad people trolling so bad that there’s a list that we going to talk about later on where they done put Des John Watson behind a rookie who ain’t never played before now let me say a couple things first of all as the K as as the petty La of this show I appreciate the fact that g has has learned from me and that wants to be as Petty as I can oh it’s going I’m going to the top petty leel petty Le bull uh yeah yeah I’m trying to stay away from now now see there’s see now here’s the thing though I am not if if there’s two groups of people there’s three there’s three camps there were two camps now there’s three camps also there splinter it’s Splinter there’s three camps on the sh I want to see where I fall you’re on the the he’s definitely going to be good camp oh yeah with okay now there’s the he’s a he’s a bum I don’t like him he’s never going to be good that camp those people have been in that camp and people have been in the camp you’re in then there’s people like me who have splintered off of your camp where I’m like I’m not rooting against the guy I don’t I don’t think he’s a bum I still still think he can play but I’m not 100% confident he’s ever he’s ever going to be the same guy again and I that my friend is called being Switzer no no it’s not yeah it is because it it’s actually the group that makes the most sense because it’s irrational to say he can never play good again and I think at this moment since he hasn’t done it for three years I think it’s irrational to think there’s no chance he’s not going to be good again and so I’m not ex like when you when you talk about killing everybody with pettiness am I in that group because I don’t think that’s Fair no no no I’m anti Watson I just say he’s got a pro no when you when you being petty that’s up to the people to discern whether or not they feel a certain type of way I’m just throwing it out there like look look cuz here I’m old enough to remember where you had guys like Andrew Luck that was H every year yeah and every year we did if Andrew Luck we get him a offensive line and some receivers boy luck is going to be a first ballot nothing yeah but again G I would say that the difference is Andrew Luck had played great for Indianapolis I I mean for a couple of years Joe burrow played great for the Bengals for a couple of years deshun Watson hasn’t played great for the Browns I mean but he played he played great a couple years ago for the Texans yes and if he was still with the Texans and and you can’t just ignore that he hasn’t played great for the team that he’s on now that’s part of the equation one of the things that I I I always go to right since when is winning not good enough they moved that that don’t count oh that coloney don’t understand that I was just on the show they said it’s all about winning they you right win like when when they Lo when he was Lo when he was 4 and 12 they said them stats didn’t count I never said that you know I never said that I not say I not you I’m just saying a lot of people be like oh he had this great season but the team was 4 like then those people if they don’t credit him for his 4 in1 record are being Hypocrites I agree with you but I did give him a ton of credit for playing great when his team sucked and I am not giving him credit because he didn’t play well so what if they lit it up but went five and 5 and 12 what if he threw for 5,000 yards but they went 5 and 12 that’s the chances of that happen about a million to one they get him my body you know take say no I would not he doesn’t affect I’m curious like for you I would say well they fixed the quarterback problem now it’s fix the rest of the team but this current team te that’s that’s really impossible they’re too good nothing’s impossible if he plays great they’re going to win 12 games minimum one in couple of injuries could mess up everything yeah but I mean they’re they they’re too talented everywhere else that if he plays great miles they’re not going to be bad God forbid miles geared and honest and a corner goes downon if Deshawn if Deshawn Watson plays great worst case scenario I’ll even say the brown win 10 games worst case scenario if he plays great if he’s truly 5,000 yards and he’s a top five quarterback again there’s no way they would have to lose I’m just asking what would the narrative be if he went if he th if he threw for 5,000 yards but the team went 5 and 12 would people be like no listen I can’t argue with you that some people are H Hypocrites do you’re right but I can only speak for myself I did not diminish ever Deshawn Watson playing well in Houston in 2020 never not once I gave him full credit said the team was trash around him and he I in fact I said he was the best quarterback in football that year he did and uh in the same vein not being hypocritical they yes they went four- one with him last year but he did not play particularly well outside of that second half against Houston I mean the second half against Baltimore you I played fine in the uh in the uh uh Titans game but overall in Cleveland he’s been injured and he hasn’t played particularly well that’s the truth no matter where the wins and losses would be but you tell me if he throws 5,000 yards with 40 touchdowns this year then I give him zero blame for things I’ve heard people in this very same panel say yeah that without a Super Bowl this is a abject I don’t agree with that they did say that I don’t agree with that I did now I don’t know like that’s like listen that’s like me getting up that’s like my wife get up she have a bad day right she said you know what I don’t like you did this and I said you know what divorce was she her right her when she should come back can tell me is like who you think you is you put up with way more than me let me show you let me run let me run down what your ex-wife did this this this and I just had a bad day now I’m not going for that the thing same thing is this right you got Desa Watson right Johnny Manzel that played more than him almost like we we we had Baker Mayfield for four years and he played bad every other year and you know what he had the same injury and you know what we had to do as Browns F we had to suck it up and take that we had to be like you know what we going to give you opportunity Baker We need this we need this we need we did it for 4 years we did it with Brandon Weeden for multiple years heck we had deshun Kaiser for a whole year matter of fact desun Kaiser has played more than than than deshun Watson now why is it that you got why did you have all that patience back there me and now I’m just FR of those guys Baker I gave a little time cuz Baker played well as a rookie but but I mean Baker played and then I killed him in year two when he sucked and then I cred him in year three when he played well and then I killed him again in game four when he sucked and then I wanted him out see you see that so I have never been hypocritical about any of this there are some people that I know that but I’m not writing them off oh yeah there are some people who are there are some people who are riding him off that’s silly the only way the trade’s a disaster is if Deshawn Watson never plays at a pro bowl level for the Browns then it’s a bad trade and by the way I would have still made it I’m never going to even if the trade turns out to be a disaster let’s say deshun Watson just stinks or he can’t ever stay healthy and he never plays it at a at a at a pro bow level for the Browns even then I will not kill the Browns for the trade because at the time it made 100% sense things don’t always work out I like that things don’t always work out but at the time it made 100% sense the Browns had decided and I know I agreed with them that Baker Mayfield was not good enough to win a Super Bowl with so ultimately you had to trade for a quarterback that you thought was good enough to win a Super Bowl they thought Deshawn Watson was I certainly thought Deshawn Watson was to this point he hasn’t been but it’s not over yet so let me ask you this question first of all it was 100% the right move to make at the time yes but if Baker was a Super Bowl before the Browns do was it a mistake to trade though I I guess yes the Browns and I will be proven wrong I just don’t believe that’s ever going to happen hypothetically speak before we get to that no it’s not a mistake because Baker Mayfield is who he is today because of what happened in Cleveland that’s a fair point without him going through that he doesn’t get I think that’s a good point now I don’t think he’s ever going to get to a Super Bowl well I’m just saying even though he’s a division in a weak conference but I think G’s right I think what happened to him the way he played last year and I give him credit for it he played well last year he do he earn he earned himself demand I don’t think he I think she’s right I don’t think he ever would have played that well had he not been through what he been through he had to go fail in Carolina think it’s a good point have a one game success with the Rams then start failing and then boom blow up and back you know what the league does a great job of humbling people in that’s he just got a piece of Humble Pie and all listen all that Sean Watson has to do to shut up all the haters is play great stole for 5,000 yards and 40 tou 5,000 yard let me get the 5,000 so I can have put we know it when we I want to Big Mac sauce on top of everything just put the Big Mac sauce on there would even be I if he does this I’m not even going to say anything oh well I’ll take yours in I be have whatever time say eating I’ll take that too G I want the double Petty I want I want Watson to play great and Baker to suck this year that’s the double P that is double you is you are diabolical credit and it took it all back the only thing that would happen is the the baker Bros last last year they got to say see told you and all the people that was on desan Wason side had to be quiet if if it flips the only thing happens is it flips yeah you’re right but I think that desan people might be just a ttin bit more P think yeah pettier speaking of quarterbacks Baker Mayfield PFF put out some quarterback rankings we’re going to dive into in one second quick reminder if you’re in the chat if you’re watching hit the like button hit the Subscribe button it is totally free and tonight at 6 o00 behind the glasses coming back myself Anthony Earl a brand new open too so make sure you guys tune in at 6 o’cl to check out an episode of behind the glass PFF put out their quarterback rankings for the upcoming season and DeShaun Watson’s ranking on this list sent our group chat into a frenzy yesterday we’re going to get to that ranking in a sec but we’ll give you the top five quarterbacks according to Trevor sikma of PFF his top five quarterbacks no surprise Mahomes was one Lamar Jackson two Joe burrow three Josh Allen four Justin Herbert 5 will’ll go to the five quarterbacks in the tier ahead of Deshawn Watson next that was Kurt Cousins at 15 Jared gof at 16 16 Kyler Murray at 17 Gino Smith at 18 and Caleb Williams at 19 that is the QB Melting Pot category according to Pro Football Focus the tier that Deshawn Watson’s in was labeled the quote can single-handedly win and lose football games for you category Baker Mayfield came in at number 20 Derek Carr 21 Russell Wilson 22 and Deshawn Watson landed at 2 3 Trevor sika’s explanation for putting Desa at 23 reads exactly like this Watson has been a disappointment since joining the Cleveland Browns he has played in just six games each of the past two seasons due to suspension and injury and he is coming off a season ending surgery to his throwing shoulder his numbers reflect all of that Watson’s 58.7 cumulative PFF passing grade over the past two years ranks 53rd among qualifying passers still his dominant days in a Texans uniform are not a figment of your imagination perhaps this is the year we see it again though he is running out of time to prove it end quote guys the floor is yours I don’t have a problem with that explanation yeah um I think it’s actually his spot on um the category that he’s in I don’t have a problem with the title of the category because I think that’s a fact he he showed you that he can win a game by itself alloud Baltimore Raven second half yeah now the number thing that’s that’s where it may be a little bit of an issue because did he like I don’t know if I’m willing to put him that low stop like that’s that’s kind of this is that’s kind of wild like he to me I take him over Russell Wilson Derek Carr any day of the week Baker played obviously Baker had a great season last year so I wouldn’t put him over there but the the fact that when you go to the one the tier before that go to the tier before again like the Kyler Murray the Williams G Smith like that y’all need to cut it out like y’all need to cut it out trash that’s absurd yall really doing this like I’m sorry now uh to be fair Gino has played better than Desa in the last two years okay isn’t that fair hasn’t he yeah he’s play more okay now if you ask me right now would I rather have Gino or the I’m just I’m just giving both sides I’m saying it’s gos played better I’m not taking the last two seasons just so Gino has 50 touchdowns 20 interceptions the last two seasons I that’s pretty good no that’s he’s that’s excellent Kyler Murray stop it to me Kyler Murray is in the is is like he he has the same problems Deshawn does but not anywhere close to the success he’s had correct so I don’t understand Kyler being ahead of him and then but the one that really set g off was Caleb Williams that made you nuts that that listen first of all let’s talk about about the Rules of Engagement out here right now right now there’s a lot of people that’s that’s in the club that be doing a lot of little little funny style stuff that that that be making making us look bad um as a athlete as a former athlete as as people as a person who really loves the game and really watches it and and I I’ll try to watch what I say because I don’t want to diminish what my credibility is by saying stuff because I thought it was cute at the time you you you throw Caleb Williams in here at 19 because you thought it was cute like he thought he was trying to be cute to be truthful he admitted it might be crazy in his right so just cuz he said it was he was trying to be cute I’m still calling you out matter of fact there’s people that didn’t even think Caleb Williams was the best quarterback in his draft class we just saw that I saw Caleb Williams throw the ball to other people and be Loosey Goosey with the ball at UFC and lose to to to Utah whoa whoa Utah was all right see see we going with this you telling me sight unseen a man you’ve never seen throw a football in your life in the NFL is better than 10 12 other quarterbacks that’s that’s absurd that is you you get your medals stripped for that you get Maran Jones give me those what not not to mention that he’s going to Chicago where the last successful quarterback they had was Rex Gman the the fact you’re calling him successful he went to the Super Bowl I mean he did but I mean he I’m just saying for the rexman you making my point even more like it’s crazy to put somebody and and and so you got him there we talked about the Gino Smith one okay you gonna trade Gino Smith nobody’s trading goino Smith for for Des but In fairness I think most I think most teams would take Caleb over desan right now money aside yeah because of the contract the Mone forget the money listen to I’d rather have the young guy know I don’t know what how old is des 28 n 20 no I think he’s 27 oh that’s still you it’s disrespectful to Baker Mayfield to put him above but he’s Baker 2 sorry 2 Baker Mayfield is below Caleb Williams yeah come on now and by the way Russell Wilson they paid like $900 million to give him away right like what you talking about like in the end we asked you on the [ __ ] group yesterday where you’d have him and you said 19 so it’s not like you were that far off from where he had him but but I agree with you I agree he should be higher on that list but not that much higher okay so if they got him at 23 it ain’t even like tyus said I agree with the labeling I agree with the thought process that he could win you a game and lose you a game yeah but at the end of the day like Caleb Williams ain’t ain’t jamus Winston I like I said KY Kyler Gino Caleb um who was the two above go and Kurt Cousins no no no the next one dolin cousins I got yeah no no no I yeah I’m not I’m fine with them and I think they might that that is on it’s those three Oh Derek Carr Russell Wilson like that’s five people that he should be above I agree him and Baker both should be above those five names I would even though Baker was better last year I would have him ahead of Baker I I would have him I would have him uh show me the one before again Mike I would have uh I would have uh Deshawn 17th actually higher than you said yesterday on the chat I would have him 17th cuz i’ have had of him out those three on the bottom and I have him over the three that he’s behind on the other I I have him at 19 and I have Baker right at 18 okay why you put Baker ahead of him yeah he was better last year he was better like he was a pro bowler he he won a playoff game like I can’t I’m not no hater by the way what’s do you have 10 through 15 or no I do yeah have the not in graphics but I can read you the rest so we did the top five yeah uh he he he did it in tear so let me actually just go through the whole list I’ll tiers his tier ones was the momes tier just Mahomes tier two was categorized the elite yeah Lamar burrow Josh Allen okay tier three was postseason caliber quarterbacks that was Herbert Dak Prescott came at six Matthew Stafford at seven Aaron Rogers at 8 Jaylen Herz at nine and CJ strad at 10 no BS 11 through the next is The Melting Pot of starters which is an extension of the tier before Deshawn yeah Jordan love 11 Trevor Lawrence 12 Brock pie 13 Tu of 14 and then you saw kurk cousins at 15 Jared at 16 jar by the way I’d have uh Brock pie Goff and Kirk Cousins ahead of Tua yep and ahead of yep Trevor Lawrence cosign actually I agree with that yeah listen Trevor lawren been riding on the goldilock he’s living on the name like he’s living on the pretty hair and all that good listen I don’t know what you’ve done isn’t he don’t he didn’t sign an extension yet is there he he’s in negotiations I keep seeing it on my he had he was terrible as a rookie his second year he was pretty good especially at the end of the year and then last year he was a disappointment so he’s like a baker Mayfield yeah honestly Baker in three years was better than Trevor Lawrence and I didn’t think Baker was good enough that that’s why that’s why I be upset man like people just be giving away stuff like they say it so much and then they like well we can’t turn back on Trevor Lawrence is the greatest since John Elway he’s one of the greatest prospects I’ve ever seen for real that is what they say and by the way I kind of want to put and I know it’s not fair cuz he’s only done it for one year but I kind of want to put CJ strout at number five I’m not at number 10 he’s got to do it a second year the end the way he looked the way he looked I ain’t GNA lie bro I can’t even say nothing I got to had I he he sent me a cease and assist it’s after the playoffs I’ll tell you something this is this is really bold I’ll say this bold it’s possible that CJ strout is Number Two by The End by this time next year can I read a little snippet from the CJ strad write up real quick yeah go bugs same write up that wrote for the Sean Watson uh he said cracking the top 10 after one season may seem like a reach for Stroud but man his rookie year was that impressive his yards touchdowns and Big Time throws uh were all placed in the top half of the league he had some clutch moments and drives that were Beyond his years here’s the impressive part Stout also logged the third most completions of 20 plus air yards 32 with the lowest turnover worthy play rate in the league on such passes that combination of success versus negative plays is unheard of for a rookie so he was pushing the ball down field being aggressive but also I thought that CJ stad was the most impressive rookie quarterback maybe I’ve ever seen in 50 years or 45 years of watching football the only guy I could think of that might be better in my lifetime and you guys well you’re definitely Too Young G you’re probably too young too was Dan Marino’s rookie season did they go to Champion or Super Bowl that year I can’t remember first year or second year it was either first or second year Mike look up Dan Marino’s rookie stats cuz his his rookie year was absurd but I I mean CJ stoud played like a 10-year vet last year in my opinion he he bought out I I mean that was beyond impressive Dan Marino’s rookie year was not that great his second year was the crazy one was his second year he was crazy second year he threw 48 touchdowns oh second year 48 does he have a reason why Aaron Rogers is still that high I I am not a believer in Aaron Rogers and it’s not he’s bat [ __ ] crazy it he’s 40 and coming off with the kiles tear he could still slinging that pill look look you he be just like this tyus have you had teammates that have had an Achilles tear yeah that’s a hard injury his name is Richard Sheran how old was he when he tore his Achilles like 30 I think so something like that it was tough to come back yeah and that’s at 30 he was Rogers is he only I think Sher only played like what he played like three or four years Seasons left or that yeah and then I can tell it went bad in when he went to Tampa it was just not the same by by the way I got to tell a quick sidebar story about tyus well it’s not it’s a little bit about you um you know Zach misel who covers the uh guardians Guardians uh or Zach myel no that was what Mike was saying no that’s what what Anthony said yesterday oh Anthony said it yesterday yeah did you know that when you guys won the National Championship he was covering the Buckeey that year I did not know that he said so I he and I were talking and Zack covered the buck guys I don’t know if it was just that one year but he covered and he said that tyus was his favorite guy on the team he I’m not kidding he said you a favorite guy he said you always were great with the media you were like whenever he needed a quote they were my friends he would go to tyus and I can’t remember the exact quote but the headline of his article about the national championship was a quote from you I can’t remember now what it was I forgot but it was something you said to him and he said oh that’s awesome I’m and he used headline a lot of people but he was saying he said you were the nicest guy one of the nicest players he’s ever covered in sports well I I tried to treat people with respect surpr and the thing about it is with media a lot of people hate media to me it’s like I’m going have fun with this whole thing like to me it’s all about fun I enjoy what I’m doing it’s a part of what I got to do so I might as well have fun with the media members and if someone who’s been in the media now I’m not in the media you know that the majority of media members contrary to popular belief and I’m not saying there aren’t jerks out oh actually they are really but most members are not trying to put you in a bad light they want to get it right because they don’t that’s the thing they don’t want to put you in a bad life right they don’t want to get nobody wants to get it wrong on purpose yeah there are jerks in the business just like every other business but most people want to get it right and be fair most all the people all the media members that I’ve met since I’ve been in this space as a former athlete um it’s all nice people really good stories they they do a really good job of making sure they ask you again because they want to get it specifically like you said and when you get quoted they want to make sure that they got their recorders out to make sure that they quoted exactly how you said it so I appreciate those days and I know the players do too cool all we’re going to talk a little more Browns at the end of the show with some wild trade ideas but let’s pivot to the Cavs after a quick word from Today’s Show sponsor which is Yahoo finance 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available but the C Wizards is the Wizards they’re the Wizards and the Cavs are better than the Wizards so that they can get whoever want they want out of that pool of people for me the only thing that that I’m I’m worried about is I I don’t I don’t like how it’s perceived like you know what I’m saying one of the things if I’m Donovan Mitchell and I’m Donovan Mitchell and my thought process was look I I don’t I I don’t think y’all very serious about what we doing right here here um we need to be making moves to get better we need to what what’s the plan what’s the game plan here when you waffle around for a week week and a half two weeks I’m sitting there watching you like well you you you seem very torn right you seem very torn in this like you got to really think about something ain’t nothing to really think about it’s like yo like this this wasn’t good enough let’s keep it pushing let’s find another coach let’s figure out what we going to do um I don’t understand what the the holdup is is but that just goes to show you how indoctrinated stuff be right when you get people that be in these positions and I’m going just be clear they don’t know what they doing like like let’s be clear like you know they this should have already been something that they was working through throughout the season you make the evaluation you’ve had three four years to figure this out it ain’t about this last two weeks they they playing around Davis what do you think I don’t think that they missing out on candidates because I think that if they are going to move on from JB they’ve already started the talks with other candidates to let them know like hey we will be moving on from him we want to gauge your interest we find you perfect for our candidacy you know stuff like that I think that if they do fire JB then you’ll start seeing guys start to roll in but I don’t think like if I’m a top candidate first of all if you looking at La Cleveland and Washington the Washington thing a nobody looking at Washington and La I think La is down to don’t they got like they top two is um re reic and somebody else I thought it was they’ve interviewed Sam Cassel they’ve talked to JJ reic I’m not sure they finalized a top two or three but so like I feel like for them they kind of already got they think it’s probably JJ reic because they think that’s who LeBron wants so they trying to do whatever they can to please LeBron but as far as Cleveland goes I think they already have their pool of coaches that they already want to cycle through so I don’t think that they’re going to miss out on any of those if it is being a delay on it then I think that they just I think what G is mad about is right I think they might be torn you know to the fact that they look at it like me and Jason sat it like they sat there they went from a playin team to a first round team to a second round team with this same guy and so it’s like every year he’s progressed but the question is it’s kind of like when the Browns had to make the decision on Baker you got to look at your coach and say is this the guy that can take us all the way to win it and that’s the question that people don’t know and I don’t think they want to be wrong because if you got a coach that you feel is good enough you want to keep that guy around because he’s grown and you got you just believe that he can get it done but if players is coming out and saying that they’ve lost faith in him that there’s you you can’t keep that guy or and and also keep those players so you got to make a decision do you want to stay with this coach and lose the players or do you want to keep the players and lose the coach you’re not going to have both it’s just not going to happen he going to try it don’t I’m telling it’s not going to happen Kobe I told I said it yesterday the only way the only way that JB and the core 4 and everybody come back is if LeBron James say I’m coming to Cleveland if that what happens then boom it can work but if that don’t happen it’s not it’s just not going to happen to me if JB were back that means Donovan’s gone that they’re trading Donovan and none of us want to see that happen I I agree with what you guys are saying I’m not worried about listen in the end it doesn’t matter how much time it takes as as you guys have both already talked about the Lakers to Cavs and the Wizards are are fishing in three different lakes I mean it it’s totally different candidates the Cavs are not going to lose a candidate to the Wizards and the Lakers ultimately can get whoever they want pretty much you know you know and it’s la like ain’t nobody about to tear down the Lakers coach that’s got like you got to be a certain type of Coach to coach LeBron it’s got to be somebody that LeBron LeBron could say all he wants oh I’m not involved of course he’s involved of course is LeBron you know LeBron wants by the way what’s that the Clippers and kou are at a stand still in contract negotiations I’m sure LeBron would love to have Ty back I think that’s who he’s really targeting for the next lak probably true and but I’ll tell you I there’s two candidates to me uh that’s that are I find interesting because I don’t think there’s any like Mike your question is are they going to lose out of the top candidates I don’t know that there are any top candidates the only one that they 100% would have considered who’s no longer available is coach Bud buen Holter who sound but let me give you a couple of candidates and you tell me what you think and number one is Kenny Atkinson Kenny Atkinson has been an assistant coach with golden state the last few years so he knows a lot about winning and remember he was a coach of that awful Nets team remember they had like no talent and he made them like really competitive part of that team what’s that Jared Allen was part of that team right but they Carris Levert was right that was a team that everybody thought was going to be like a the worst team in the NBA and they ended up being pretty competitive yeah actually actually we had the Net’s eighth overall pick and we thought it was going to be higher and Nets screwed it all the way up that’s true I remember right you’re right going that year were like oh CS good shot the first pick they feisty they were feisty yeah uh do you want my I was going to do this till JB officially got fired but do you want to see the six names I think who are AB but let me give you one more before you give me aon’s on the list and then I want and then I want one more yeah yeah true I I want Hurley I want Hurley from uh uh Uki not happening but he’d be awesome he’d be awesome that would be a great he’s a great coach he’s a freaking he’s a no-brainer but I just assumed he wasn’t going to leave college but he just got a ginormous raise yeah I’m talking ginormous raise and he but who wants to deal with nil and all it’s probably not as big a deal in college cuz guys leave after one I mean sorry in basketball because guys leave after one year anyway he don’t recruit them type dudes yeah he he’d just be like he’s a different kind of cat he’s he’s got a job for Life there they’re never going to fire him ever no they’re not I love in the NBA no matter how good your coach you are you can get fired in two years if it doesn’t work out no great Papa still rolling well but Greg papovich had built up his and speaking of Greg papovich that brings you to my the second choice and that’s Becky Hammond I thought you was going to say G Pap and I know a lot of people are going to roll their eyes oh you just want to hire cuz she’s a woman no I want to hire her because she’s a badass coach she is great coach she is a freaking winner everything she’s done she’s been a winner now I can’t speak to the Cavs individual players and how they’re going to react to a woman that’s obviously a potential roadblock I do feel like NBA players in general have come a long way and maybe I’m kidding myself uh in terms of open-mindedness like I feel like a lot of NBA players support the WNBA support the the women’s players and I don’t what the chemistry would be like but for the first time ever with a woman head coach and and and men men players I don’t know but but I will say this there’s no way you can be involved in basketball in any men women whatever and not respect what Becky Hammond has accomplished in the game as a coach an assistant coach and a player she’s a winner she’s a great coach and uh I guess it’s a little outside the box because it would be the first time ever but I I I think she’d do a great job didn’t she coach some games for the Spurs I think in the summer league she was a summer league coach for a little bit well she got the aces they can’t lose so they went back mean Indiana hasn’t won a game they should have won the sun against the Suns I watched that one aiyah Boston took the ball like she was like she was kayin Clark I was like you if you don’t get the ball out your hand by the way this real quick before you give the rest Mike there’s a very funny picture of what’s her name the big girl from from uh uh cardosa and Angel Reese with with SH im managa as a picture on the Cs and as a picture of the two of them standing with him CU they the first the game yesterday he’s short for a baseball player he’s a little short and she’s so tall it’s a funny looking picture but anyway go ahead all right so I got just we’ll dive deeper into this was Becky Hammond on your list no but a different Spurs assistant is okay so we’ll dive deeper into this when any news becomes official it’s not worth diving super deep into this if they bring back JB so I’ll just give you a list of guys I think make sense if the Cavs decide to move on from JB bicker staff the first one the other Spurs assistant not Becky Hammond James bgo who had was the head coach for the Charlotte Hornets it didn’t work out in Charlotte he was a really really really highly regarded assistant with the Spurs was pops top guy for about 10 years in Charlotte those teams were abysmal he had him competitive just like ainson did in Brooklyn but I think he’s a guy that’s going to get a second chance to be head coach he didn’t fit on the list because I can only put five bullet points but bgo plus these next five are guys I think the Cavs will absolutely Circle as candidates to interview Kenny ainson you talked about Chris Quinn who played here in Cleveland he’s been spos top assistant now for seven years he’s been on spos bench for a decade he helped utilize and uh integrate bam atabo into the focal point of their offense uh Allah Evan Moy here potentially Dave AER had two head coaching stcy coach for Memphis in Sacramento he’s been an assisant coach uh for Doc Rivers in Philadelphia he was a consultant this year with the Cavs him and Dan Gilbert have a little tie and then he went and old no he’s not old he’s not that old Sam Cassell who’s a superstar coach in terms of Superstar players love Sam Cassell if you’re going to keep Donovan that could be a guy that he may see as a coach he wants to work with and then Johnny Bryant was Donovan’s guy in Utah he’s now the associate head coach with the Knicks but he was a player Personnel development guy with the Utah Jazz when Donovan was there they go way back so I think those five plus James bergo are six candidates that Cav would definitely look at we’ll dive deeper into the pros and cons of each when it when we have to but those are at least six names to keep an eye on you know what’s the crazy part about it is I take any of those guys over what we got now absolutely who was your who was your other person I listen I I what I said to do for um Connecticut Hurley but but out of that list I like Quinn Chris Quinn because because I need I need a I need a game plan man all this run all this rolling the ball out running running picking rolls that’s another that’s what I feel I just want somebody that that runs offense like I’m I’m sick of to get the ball and just stand to the side and watch all of this stuff in the leag this is an indictment all of this I’m sick and tired of seeing people trying to hunt and pack for for Pick and rolls and switches that is not offense that is hold on hold on I got an advantage let me switch this pick and roll and and go IO that is not offense bro that is not going to work if you playing the top teams I hate that offense it’s terrible I I taking somebody from Miami’s coaching tree or San Antonio I know San Antonio hasn’t been as good the last few years certainly but those are those are organizations that have have done more with less over the years than any other organization yeah I’d probably take the I’d take Chris Quinn because I mean like I said he’s from Ohio Columbus so that make it be perfect I feel like it’ll mean a little bit more to I don’t know if he’s a Cavs fan or not but I just he play yeah he played here so I think it’ll just mean a little bit more to him I’m always for a guy that play for the organization or that’s from that around where that team is playing at cuz it just means more all right Mike what do we got if I had to put uh Vegas line on who would be the favorite to replace JB if it came to it I can would be my favorite know with Dan Gilbert though he hires I’m saying you don’t know I’m just guessing but I think ainson would be option A for the Cavs one last name that I didn’t mention and there’s a reason why but is Frank vogle who just got dismissed by the Suns I think they have to bring an offensive minded coach and vogle has built his resume and his entire career of being a defensive oriented head coach I just think they go with an offensive guy when they bring in a new head coach so that’s why Frank vogle was an uh intentional Omission from this list okay all right we’re going to talk about a different Cavs thing in a sec whether or not Evan MO is worth $260 million after a quick reminder that this show and all ucss shows is sponsored by FanDuel it’s winner take all time in the NBA and NHL and FanDuel is giving you a shot to bring home a big one of your own right now new customers get $150 in bonus Bets with any winning $5 bet that’s 150 bucks to bet on spreads money lines player props and more visit fanduel.com ucss and make every playoff shot count FanDuel America’s number one sports book guys it is decision time for the Cavs on a ton of roster positions as well including what to do with Evan Moy who is eligible for the rookie extension this summer now on ESPN Radio yesterday Brian windhorse said that Evan Mobley is only considering the rookie Max extension from the Caps he does not want to have any conversations that involve anything that is not the rookie Max extension and although we don’t know the exact number of what that extension would be we do know that Meo ball the 2020 number three overall pick a year before Evan Mobley got the rookie Max it was 5 years 260 million doll so the Cavs will be looking at an extension in that realm in terms of money there’s some stipulation again have three fiveyear rookie Max steals they already have Garland and MCH so if they keep both of those he’d only be able to sign a four-year rookie Max extension but numbers wise we’re looking at 50 plus million dollar a year for Evan Moy hey Mike um there’s no reason they have to sign him this offseason right technically no but in most cases you don’t want to let him get to restricted free agency because other teams get the encounter offer so you saying they got to do it this offseason no how am I supposed to pay a Max extension guy so so it was who’s just an average player if if somebody offers him an offer sheet can they offer him more than the Cav can this summer this summer no he he’s under contract next year no matter what so but at the end of the next year you’re saying he becomes a restricted free agent and then it becomes a little dicey there are examples of guys Brandon Ingram by the way yeah did not sign his extension after his fourth year he waited till his fifth year then got his max extension right or is now eligible for a second Max extension he got his long-term extension so there are situations but for the most part I’m wait this out you sign it after their third season I’m with G I’m waiting this out I I just don’t how am I paying a guy two what are you going to pay him 270 280 260 well it was 260 260 but the salary goes up so it’s 270 I can’t pay 270 to a guy who’s just an okay player right at this point I want to I want to see I want to see what you going to do I gave you opportunity to come back with a new game three years in a row you didn’t do it so I’m going to re I you saw what happened when you rewarded Darius Garland’s game right well projecting is fine but guess what this ain’t bad this this is not football football these contracts is not guaranteed if they would have slipped up and gave David and joku that deal he didn’t do nothing uh everything’s a player option in two years team option you’re out of here with this no I’m I need I need you to come back with a Max game I need you to I need you to be in the offseason work with only guards you shouldn’t you shouldn’t be dealing with no big man jump hook you should be working out at camps with guards just only guards and then on top of that I need you to come back with at least 15 lbs you better be eating peanut butter and jelly protein shakes I don’t care what you got to do 15 lbs I need a jumper I need a go-to move and then when you come and give me my 20 and 10 cuz Jared Allen ain’t going to be here that’s what I’m looking for 20 and 10 they should be it should be in his contract unless you get me 20 and 10 in two blocks I can’t give you that bread this year you not getting no money this year is it wrong that I’m saying I don’t even want I want more than that I want 22 and 12 I mean you ain’t wrong for for a Max dude max if he’s going to be a max player I want him to be the number two scoring option behind Don and the number one rebounder and the number one Defender unreasonable is that unreasonable McNuggets 22 and 12 yeah yeah uh I mean no like no should have been it all depends on how often they’ use in the offense what is he at right what was his average this year 15 he averaged like 16 and N Carris lever can give you 16 and N if they play the M minutes wait a minute hold on wait A’s let’s let’s let’s let’s be let’s look at this all right let’s look at this correctly let’s break this down so what I think the Cavs is a little bit uh skeptical because of how the Darius thing looks currently they gave him the max last year he didn’t look well when you needed him in the big moments he didn’t show up so they’re a little scarred from giving the max deals right now two if you do decide to blow this core 4 thing up and you do move off of Jared Allen you got to see him in the playoffs you know against Boston Celtics and he was able to hold his own a lot of people would say that he groan so a lot of people think that that’s what is going to be like if he is at the center although he doesn’t want to play center according to his agent right and the scarest part about all this is if I’m a Cavs person is didn’t they say he didn’t want to be drafted here he wanted to go to OKC Jason had said that okay so if that’s the case next year when he’s unrestricted no next year he’ll be restricted no he said no next year he’d be restricted yeah oh so so you can still give it to him next year he got it he has no choice but to take it well a restricted free agent means someone can make him an offer sheet and then you just mash it off that’s what happened with uh what’s that dude that played for the DeAndre DeAndre yeah that’s what happened with him so I think that would be the way I would go I would do the DeAndre Aon thing with Evan M um because I got to see it like I can’t pay him right now because I don’t know what it’s going to look like for 82 games like the one thing about if we do move off with Jared Allen and it’s just him as the big man he had a durability problem last year he wasn’t available for a lot of the season so how does that look giving a max player a contract that or Max contract to a player that’s not available then it like now he wasted money so I would definitely wait I’m with y’all in that I’d wait till next year to give him that contract he would have to show me what is what he would be like as the only big man on the court and if everything is going well obviously don’t know what the coach thing is going to be if they do move off of JB they need to get a offensive mind so he can work on his offensive game defensively I think he’s solid but offensively is where the problem is if he UPS his game offensively becomes more confident in his shot and we can spread the floor with him being a shooter or maybe he even have a little ball handle to him then that makes him worth that Big Max contract but right now I don’t I think I wouldn’t give it to him this year and he he showed a lot of Promise in that Boston series showed a lot of promise but we got to see that consistently and we got to see that with like with Donan Mitchell too Mike you’re Mr NBA what do you think you think they should give it to him now or you with us that they should wait a you I think they’re handcuffed I think they have to give it to him now why because if you don’t and you believe and I believe anything Jason reports so when he says the Cavs weren’t where Moy wanted to go by then waiting to give him the the rookie Max extension which it sounds like he’s not even going to consider anything else it’s bad and it’s not wrong it’s just bad practice in terms of becoming an organization that already has issues attracting players to come to you like you kind of have to take care of your own guys whether it’s right or wrong I don’t think they have a choice I just don’t understand that when did it become that guys should get paid even when they haven’t earned it I I’m not saying I agree I’m just telling you I I don’t think they have a choice I think they have to look man I think they have to again when when especially if you’re going G sorry to cut you off but especially if you’re going to trade away Jared Allen and build around Moy as your your certified Bonafide onestar big man or what you hope to be a onear big man you you have to pay him in that sense like you have to you see this is this is my problem you see you see the way that the Knicks play yeah they play like their hair is on fire they ain’t doing none of that they don’t do see what happens when you get to a point where you’re passive and you don’t show any true leadership Pat Riley don’t give nobody no no extensions unless he feel like you getting it that’s it like and no and people like well I’m going to Miami the reason why other people want to go to these other places is because they run it the right way but when you keep doing stuff backwards and saying well I’m handcuffed I Gotta Give Moy a deal well did you have to give uh Darius Garland a deal too yeah did did you did you not know that you you need to get rid of this coach but you waffling around did you not know the time is taking on Donovan Mitchell all these little different things all these little fires that you putting out and do you have the right general manager to be able to lock in and focus and say boom boom boom boom boom this is our plan this is what we going to do and how we moving I don’t like people that be indecisive indecisive you take you look long you look wrong it’s everybody else is getting better teams is getting better teams is is developing people and we still sitting here talking about 15 points I tell them look listen I like your game but if you get mad that I’m not going to give you money before you prove it then then are you built for it that’s the day we live in I know it’s CU you built for it then I think G’s right I think it’s I feel like it’s a loser mentality to start well what else can we do we got to pay the guy well make him earn it and if he and he can’t leave he’s not a unrestricted free agent so what are you what is he going to do to G’s point and I think moob saying I’m not going to listen to anything but the max I would offer an issue because I just was curious I looked at two other comparable guys that comparable is not the exact right word but from the 2019 draft Tyler herro yeah who had won a six man of the year before signing his extension signed a rookie extension not the rookie max a rookie extension four years 130 million RJ Barrett who was the third overall pick two years before Evan Moy fouryear $110 million contract extension not the rookie Max 27 million or 26 million a year for Barrett about 20 what’s the math that 130 divided by four yeah this is not NFL quarterbacks where the next guy just that money feels a lot more comparable to what Evan Mobley has earned to this point of his career which and you want to say 130 is too much every mile that’s kind of the going rate of players in that realm a Max like Anthony Edwards signed the rookie Max Zion like those guys are in different tiers right now than Moy but if he’s coming out this early and saying I’m not going to listen anything but the max I don’t know what the C I feel like the Cavs are handcuffed I mean Anthony Edwards is like 13 tiers he’s in a different he’s in the this he’s in the DC Universe he’s in the Marvel Universe I think when Evan Moy is if he if he’s putting this out there it’s only simply because he felt that he played so well against Boston that to him he felt like he’s earned it and what people are think what he got to realize is you did that for what was that five games so whatever it was five games but we need what about the rest of the time like like the rest of the time you you wasn’t available and then in the Orlando series was he good in the Orlando series I don’t remember no he was very up and down see that and that’s the thing like like you want to get paid all of this bread like you want to get paid big time money but you’re not that big time player yet like you’re not you haven’t been a Difference Maker you’ve had one game where you’ve actually made a difference and that was game five of the Celtics you we like 30 or something like that the end he didn’t make a difference cuz they lost well still but I’m saying like he played a great game he has so much to get to like dude you goingon to be at the if if they get rid of Jared Al you going be at the five so you’re going up against embiid Joker cat like you going up against all these yeah so like that why we going pay you to get smoked by these guys let me ask I think the Cs is stupid if they give him let ask you guys a question I’m going to read you players from the 2020 draft the year before Evan Moy was selected you tell me when the player is comparable to where Evan Mobley is now and I’ll tell you how much money that player got an extension I have all the rookie extensions for the 2020 draft class Anthony Edwards I mean stop it I’m just just say no to rage lamelo ball no right what’s what’s the question is we got to are they worth The Rook stop no no I’m telling you you stop he mentions a player that Evan Mobley is in that player’s class oh he’s not in lamelo class uh well lamelo got hurt didn’t he he he be on they about to say on Strictly skill set no Tyrese alurn no Desmond Bane I don’t know low key low key Desmond Bane is like that dude out there low key like he’s averaging almost 20 right I think he a more averag a lot Des B of hoop he averaged like do you think he’s in the Desmond Bane class no uh I mean you he better be that’s a damn good name Desmond Bane last year averaged 24 points a game the year before he averaged 22 his sophomore season average 18 but you got to remember in the you got to remember Desmond bang his numbers would up cuz John Morant was out this year so hey man I I saw I saw 24 and what Mike uh this season he was the Grizzly’s best player averaged 24 points on 46% shooting 38 from three he averaged uh four rebounds five and a half assists no no and you going to put Evan Mobley in his level I’m saying he better be I’m just saying he better but he what’s the what’s the next name uh Devin vasel vassel of the Spurs with the Spurs I know he’s good but I don’t know what kind of season he had this year who’s paying attention to the Spurs Evan Mo’s right that’s where I think EV say they about to say so what was his extension 5 years 150 mil okay what’s a big difference that’s my point I think Evan MO is by saying I want the max I’m not going to talk about anything else but the max is putting him in a category you know you know what I would do if I was the cast I wouldn’t even talk to him this year yeah I I wouldn’t talk to him if you don’t want to talk about nothing but the max then I ain’t got nothing to say to you we see you next year see you next year then we I’ll pick up the phone and talk to you and I always go back and I compare people cuz sometimes you got to put it in perspective right we we be just throwing Superstar unicorn all out there listen do you know like would do you think Lamarcus aldris was was was unicorn no do you think larcus Al a superstar yeah he was a superstar Lamarcus aldd I I don’t think aldd was like Lamarcus aldd with the with the Trail Blazers was that deal just Lamarcus ald with the Trailblazers he was that deal he do his first so so he his first three year his first year he didn’t do much 9.5 but 20072 2008 with the Portland Trail Blazers he averaged seven he had actually 17.8 so 18 and eight then he went to 18 and8 again he took off his his third year fourth year with the uh Trail basers he averaged 21 21- n and then his Peak actually was 20145 he averaged 23 and 10 now now the Spurs or the Trailblazers that that was for the Trailblazers now I say don’t do that and even even guys like chis even even guy like Chris rber 27 11 and four assists yeah in Sacramento now those guys didn’t even win championship though the difference is those guys were featured in an offense Moi was an afterthought this year so well but if he’s that that’s why his game was there we all want to see him as the number two option maybe next season and then see what he you know how good he can be but but we going to have to wait we going to wait a little bit I I now now listen is it do you think that McNugget he gonna get upset because he gonna look at other people say well this is the year I’m Associated who cares I think he would yeah I do so what is he going to do about it he’s have to play still go do ask for trade I mean he could if it sounds like hey you know what you say to that we got you on the contract for two more years go sit over there it sounds like his repres representation didn’t want to go to Cleveland to begin with so if they piss him off they can say get me out I’m just throwing out the scenario Happ money talks and if they gonna give him more money than anybody else could give him that that is why I’m anxious to see a new voice he going get he going to get the eight Tre man if you have if you have a new voice come in here and say listen man we going to make you a focal part of what we trying to do offensively but for us to put that kind of investment in you with the with the with time energy and and putting our offense in your hands we got to see X Y and Z growth from you we want to see you come back stronger we want to see you come back with a go-to post move we want to I show them the tape where where where they basically is putting guards on them like I say listen you’re better than this we we we believe in you but we are we challenging you as a basketball player get and if he can’t take that level of a challenge then then he’s not me for what trying to do that pressure is going to only Mount because when he’s a second player we’re no longer going to Darius Garland say you got to step up it’s now Evan Moy who we on like no you ain’t doing enough all right that’s it for the NBA for now we’ll get more at the end of the show to some crazy Browns trades but now it’s time to talk about the Guardians Mike before we do that I did ask the chat yeah is Evan Moy worth the mat Max extension or not 53% of the chat said yes he is 47% said no he’s not a lot of and i’ only took a really quick glance a lot of people said it’s the cheapest he’s going to be so you might as well pay him now that’s stupid with that being said let’s talk a little Guardians five wins in a row for the guards it’s eight of their last nine and David fry continues to mash in the lineup Bo you put in the group chat yesterday yeah does David fry have to be a staple at least six days a week yeah of the Cleveland Guardians lineup and if so how do you fit him in well there’s no doubt about it guys David fry needs to be playing just about every and he’s playing a lot now I mean I I don’t know how many games he started in the last three weeks and it’s probably been close to fulltime but David fry has been fantastic and however you do it excuse me bless bless you double bless you thank you however you have to do it you do it and you do it by you know catching him a little bit a little bit of first base little bit DH he’s a flexible guy he can play The Outfield a little bit in the corners I move him around as much as I need to now I stirred up a little controversy on Twitter yesterday with some of the diard Guardians fans when I said that when Steven Quan comes back if which is probably in about two weeks that if Baylor is still really struggling and he is struggling Big Time offensively that I would consider sending bow Naylor down you look at Baylor hitting 168 in the month of May he’s batting a buck 50 I’m sorry he’s batting a buck 40 he’s not even putting together good at bats no he has two extra base hits this month two one double and one home run now I’m still very high on Bo Naylor his defense has improved he’s number one in the league in terms of pitch framing which is the ability to get a called strike on a pitch that probably should be called the ball that’s a big deal it’s part of the reason the Guardians pitching has done well cuz Naylor’s done a good job with that his defense is improved he still is a little shaky sometimes with the throwing and the blocking the balls but his defense is improved his pitch framing is good but his hitting is a disaster and I’m worried that he’s lost confidence because he’s he was brought up as a hitter and he hit great last year so it’s sometimes a guy needs a reset in the miners and some people got like you can’t send him to the miners his pitch framing is great I know his pitch framing is great I don’t want to send him to the minor but if he can’t hit a buck if he’s only hitting a buck 50 eventually got to make that decision we’re not there yet because stepen Quan’s not ready to go but guys David fry is a guy that I’ve been a little concerned that if he played too much would get exposed you know you see that in football tiis right you have a guy that plays part-time maybe he’s a he’s a five carrier guy as a running back five carry a game guy as a running back all of a sudden you give him a chance at 18 carries and he averages two yards to carry cuz he’s a guy who was good in small spots and I kind of thought about David fry as that type of guy cuz he’s a late developer he’s 27 28 years old I mean he’s not a young guy he played in the miners for a long time all I know is almost every time they give him a chance to play he comes through yesterday he pinch hits and pinch hitting is tough and he it’s a home run when you when I I was just about to say that when you are pinch hitting you getting off the bench hold you ain’t you you haven’t seen any pitches and for him to come in and hit a home run as you as a pinch hitter means that one thing he’s seeing the ball very well he’s seeing the ball very well and and to do that you want to capitalize off that a little bit you want to give him and especially when a guy is doing that you want to give him as many opportunities you can at the plate because he’s he’s really seing the ball very well on in in I guess in uh you know on the other side of the decoin yeah bo bo Naylor is looking he’s swimming at the plate um he’s not getting good swings on on on on the ball he’s not hitting the ball hard anywhere um he’s getting fooled on some pitches it just seems like one of those things when you get up you’re like oh listen he he’s in his head thinking automatic out and that don’t that’s not that’s not where you want to be cuz he’s not even really up there swinging at at at the ball very well right now and uh fry listen I don’t know what they got to do um find some space for him but I got I would like to see him in the line every day you can’t not have that hitting like in the lineup like it’s too good for you not to to think that you can win without it like that’s that’s ridiculous yeah they definitely got to figure something out see what I think Kyle manzardo might have found his stride I think he he nice little couple hits couple and I ain’t they like right next to each other well they pinch fry pinch hit actually for manzardo because it was a lefty pitcher and manzardo has had a few nice hits the last couple of games and I would I would still stick with him now eventually if manzardo struggles more and you send him well then then the answer is easy then David Fry’s going to DH most of the time little first a little catcher uh I’m not saying you have to get send Bon to the miners I’m saying it’s something they’re going to have to consider if he continues to struggle for another few weeks but either way they’ve got to get David fry in the lineup almost every day if not every day uh because he is I mean his Ops is over a thousand for those who don’t know like seven 80 is a really good Ops to be over a th000 is ridiculous that’s what sh Otani has now obviously he’s done it in way less at bats but still I mean at this point he’s playing enough that the the stats are legit five home runs in his little as he’s played is pretty darn good yeah uh so yeah I mean he’s got to play more and I’ll tell you guys you know I don’t know how much everybody is locked into watching the Guardians on a daily basis but man they are fun to watch they are a season High what are they over 500 is it I can’t remember the exact number of games over 32 and 17 15 games over it’s a season High when Quan went down cuz I felt like they were doing it with mirrors to some degree right cu the starting pitching hadn’t been very good early and outside of Quan and and uh Naylor and Fry even Ramirez was okay in the beginning of the year and I and when Quan went down I’m like oh boy this could be trouble not only have they survived Quan’s injury they are thriving because first of all Jose the last few weeks oh has got sizzling h i don’t listen he hit a ball that was crazy home run he hit a ball that was lowkey inside above the letters do you know what kind of risk you got to have to get to that ball and then he hit it I said he and you pulled that yeah I said yo he’s that’s crazy he’s I believe tied for the America the major league lead in home uh in RB right now isn’t he I can tell you one sec I mean he is just cooking and you’re right G that ball I had a on my little league team shout out to my boy Matt gansky he is tied leads the American League tied for the tied for who actually swung at one pitch in our game yesterday or Monday he swung like this like tomw chop hit a double the left field and that was almost what Jose how did you what it’s so hard as a as a hitter it is so hard to get to a pitch go that that is let high like because it’s Fool’s Gold usually it’s a little rise on it and and you usually swing under it or swing over it he hit this I say oh he killed that s here doing the most and and you and you know who’s got T Tyler Freeman has gotten hot he’s been hitting well out of the leadoff spot the last few days you know and they’ve been able to because Naylor for the first time the season Josh Naylor’s had a cold streak which you know in baseball even the best players are going to have a cold streak and Josh nil’s gotten a little cold here the last I don’t a week or two he’s cooled off but his glove though and he’s he’s improved in the field glove he had defense is and what was great is you I wasn’t here the last two days I don’t know if you guys saw did you guys see the what happened in the ninth inning on Sunday where they made all those terrible plays did that we talked about yesterday Bas on Monday night right what was that how Naylor when he tossed it to class he dropped it on Sunday on Monday he sprinted or yeah Monday it the first base to avoid it right and what was was interesting though is last year the way they messed up that game in the ninth on Sunday last year they would have lost that game and instead they came right back Brenan hit the clutch home run and getting enough offense they’re getting uh and their starting pitching has been way better the last few weeks BBY two great starts in a row Allen two great starts in a row uh Carrasco had been pitching pretty well before he got scratched and Curry did a nice job before coming out Lively pitch great in his last start and McKenzie’s been fantastic yeah yeah he’s been fantastic uh and and early in the season we were like oh man I don’t know if this guy’s going to make it through the year and it’s still a long way to go what a bounce back King Tana is still pitching yeah he’s not very good though good gracious by the way the Mets this is the only the eighth time the eighth time that the Mets and Guardians have played a series you know because they’re in different they’re East and Central and different leagues it’s only the eighth time they played the series the Mets have won six of the first seven series they played against the Guardians and so this is only the second time the Guardians won a series against the Mets and the Mets had beaten the Guardians seven times in a row uh before this series started so and look at this you beaten look at during this hot streak here you won a series against the Rangers the defending World Series champs you swept the twins who before that series were redot and now you know the Mets have been a little up and down but they’re a decent team they’re not great but they’re they’re not terrible so you’ve been beating some pretty good teams here for the last week and your road trip after this after this game today you go play Colorado and the angels who stink like two the worst teams so you’re buying that they’re going to get over 90 wins this season well they man I mean yeah right now I feel like because the starting pitching is getting better I still think they need additions I still you been proud of me yesterday cuz I sat on this show and said exactly what you just said I said when the thing into the thick of things I still think they got to address that pitching because yeah now with the cookie situation and Curry Curry’s fine I’m glad they got him out of there I I was in the chat like get throw in the to get this that was good they trying they was trying to squeeze some Innings out of him hey no like they about to blow the game I was like man well every time they started pulling away the Mets would come back there with some home runs yeah it was it was a back it was a good back and forth they we got a chance to see some power yeah um so it it was funny how they like they cheered for Lindor in the beginning and then it was like H it got to about seventh in and they was they started booing him when he I don’t understand the booing I he’s on the other team you don’t want him to I I get it but like he was great player here I don’t know why people are mad about it but anyway go ahead Mike you mentioned power tyus yeah and G and we’re going to talk about ty’ bold prediction about the Guardians power 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other teams but 11 is certainly in the top 15 IIs so my question are you buying the power surge is it sustainable and tus how good do you feel knowing so far through 50s something games you have been 100% spot on of course I’m buying it I mean I predicted it so I I I got to go all in on this thing if this was Vegas I’m pushing all my chips in I’m all in the Guardians will I’m almost willing to say they going to finish top 10 maybe maybe 10 exactly is where I’m I’m actually hoping that they go listen these last few games it seems like they’ve hit their stride they figur some things out you know in the beginning of the season I was that’s when you worry the most beginning season you don’t know you don’t know if the pitching is going to be good or if the hitting is going to be good they started off hitting but it was still they weren’t used to hitting it all all the way out the park now to me it seems like they hit their stride I mean you got guys like David fry who if they should have pitch or batting every day if he starts to bat every day and all those numbers go up still waiting on guys like Jimenez to get it going um I still I think Tyler Freeman can hit a couple of more but right now your two biggest ones is Jose and Josh Josh is a little cold right now but I think he’s going to pick it back up but right now Jose seems like he’s on a heater and if that’s the case we always got a shot to finish in the top 15 so I don’t see it going in the other way I’m buying the fact that if you spend a whole season hearing about how y’all can’t hit y’all ain’t y’all ain’t got no power hittings y’all ain’t got no sticks as my man G Bush would say you get upset by that and you start working on it and boom you see this season they come out and boom they just keep hitting them over the fence every game it’s just boom one going over the fence boom one going over it’s so well that I believe that if I go out there I can hit one over the fence that’s how good it looks to me so just got crazy there you go they don’t work like that boom there you go what say what say y’all I mean they listen you know they got 20 what 24 home runs between n and Ramirez you know Ramirez is hot right now Naylor uh you know he cooled off a little bit but he was carrying them earlier in season I think what you know you got two lifts right here you got five home runs from fry you got five from will Brennan right so like when you get those like and will Brenan refuses to die like every time every time you try to get him up out of here be like Will’s done like you know what I’m saying Will’s Will’s fenito n he come back and he hit a double he just started and that’s this is Super Mario Brothers by the way that’s a Super Mario Brothers right there so by by the way he started that he started that cult um so he gets two extra home runs imaginary home runs just cuz he’s the leader of the cult yeah but you know they still going to need two other guys that step their game up his name is Andreas Jimenez who come on now Hey Cuz look hey you you saw what happened in that game right you this is the Mets this ain’t the Yankees I’m looking down Downstream I already think that the the Guardians is going to make the playoffs um and you know what the guardian Kryptonite is you know they play very well in short games and then all of a sudden it’s it’s one two runs and then the Yankees come up in three home runs and then you’re like dang bro like we was just winning this whole game we outplayed you out pitched you out you you know we made the plays we needed to but guess what you hit three run home runs cuz you got that type of power so you need another couple guys to step up because you see what you can do if you play to Mets Mets was hitting home runs you come right back and hit some home runs it’s the great equalizer if you get one more guy to step up I don’t know we we just talked about bow nailer but we need himz or Bo Naylor to to at least give me 20 or manzardo or manardo there’s got to be another guy yes uh I give will brenon credit I mean he’s at he’s on Pace for about 60 ribbies considering he only plays part-time that’s that’s pretty darn good very good and he’s on Pace for about you know 15 homers 16 homers which again for a part-time player you’ll take it it’d be nice to have a third guy get to 20 uh obviously Jose and Naylor are on Pace to hit close to 40 both of them now I don’t think I don’t know that either one’s going to get the 40 but I’m expecting them both to get into the 30s this year you mentioned they’ve hit 24 home runs between them last year they only hit 41 between them and those are your two top power hitters that’s why they were dead last in home runs they might double their total from last year or at least come close to it I mean I’m expecting them to hit 70 home runs between them at least assuming they’re healthy so I mean they’re both you know playing they’re both Allstars right now both those guys would be Allstars right now so uh there’s a lot to like about the lineup is a great Bowl prediction by tyus I think he’s got a good chance to be right I don’t think it’s set in stone the the bottom line is they’re not going to be last like they were last year even if they end up cooling off and finishing 17th or whatever I said in the beginning year they just need to be near the middle and they’ll be competitive well they’re better than competitive and they’re better than the middle so they’ve been great uh um Rodriguez made his debut yesterday didn’t do anything but uh manzardo got a hit they’re gonna need whether it’s these young guy guys one of them to catch fire or bringing in an addition and who’s this so so who what’s the mo on Rodriguez right guy got power because we did we talked about all these other guys we never really me he just Rodriguez making his debut what is he in minor he’s you know I think he’s like their number 16 he was their number 16 Prospect he had seven homers 20 RBI the minor leag yeah I mean he’s got power and he’s a big kid uh but he’s not as hyped to prospect as manzardo or Del Lauder or some of these right right right doesn’t he might be the best of them all I mean you know we’re we’re saying he’s their 16th Prospect based on a guy from you know mlb.com those guys are good at what they do but they don’t get it right they’re projecting but I but I thought it was because it looks like the you know the Guardians are very like deler it took him forever to put bring manzardo up so I’m I’m like well this is strange because if they didn’t bring those guys up and they were more highly touted how did he just get the fast track it was kind of strange to me yeah I mean how old is is he Mike I’m not even sure uh give me one sec I can I me I think he’s young he was young for Triple A I believe he’s 24 years old yeah I mean that’s young for Triple A I mean he’s not that young I mean the lauder’s younger than that right yeah the lauder’s younger than that speaking of guys have you seen that uh D Los Santos the guy they released or they s Down release him or whatever they did it was a rule five he went back to Arizona if you don’t so uh Davison de los Santos he was battling for one of the final spots in the Guardians roster he was a rule five pickup when you pick up a rule five guy he has to remain on your roster on the for the entire season if you if you want to take him off the roster you have to offer him back to the team you got him from which is what they did the team took him back and do you know his stats this this season I know he’s been good in the mind yeah listen he might be the best 4A player of all time well it’s not fair to name him a 4A player he’d only played a double A before this year I think but anyway go ahead whatever it is yeah he’s hitting 368 with 14 home runs a 1.16 Ops yeah he leads all of minor league baseball and home runs RBI as an Ops what organization is he in again is it Arizona uh Arizona yes yeah that’s the Pacific coast league so so I mean do they still the OWN right no no no no so they can’t back go back and get him no so it doesn’t do us any good Mike to tease us with that no I was just saying crazy you baseball people yeah yeah I don’t know but it’s weird because not weird but Zack tweeted out yesterday the guy they traded for David fry has done absolutely nothing with Milwaukee and David fry has obviously been a great addition for the Guardians no Jones has taken a big step back well Benson hasn’t played nearly they traded JC Mahia for David fry Mahia has been is suspended for a full season for steroids or some Peds uh you’re right will Benson and Nolan Jones who I we ripped the Guardians for it last year both have had setbacks this year Aaron Seal’s been remember everybody’s man oh oh Jay Jay was losing his mind sali’s been awful Mike sali’s got like a five something ER you know who’s been great that the Guardians got rid of cal cal quantro pitched another I actually picked him up on my fantasy team and put him in the lineup yesterday he pitched a good game Rockies right and yeah and the bullpen blew it cost him a win he’s been fantastic for Colorado I think he’s got is er I believe is under one in May um so he’s been really good and Ahmed Rosario’s had a nice bounceback year although they were never going to have him this year anyway but those other guys have all struggled is he still with the Dodgers no he’s on Tampa Bay speaking of hard time player you know what’s crazy I I just say falling on your sword there there has to be better ways than that there has to be a better way to go out there falling on your sword that that seems very painful well should we bring back the conversation we were having about before the show no oh yeah I’m kidding I’m kidding has uh has Fernando tatis been good since he got off the steroids uh I haven’t followed him that closely he’s been fine but not not spectacular I don’t know what his numbers are he he was this season he’s hitting 250 eight home runs 2 24 RBI 751 Ops yeah I mean that’s good but that’s basically what I said he’s been good but not spectacular I mean the stoy really help your eyeball like like does it does it help Barry b it makes a stronger player stronger right I mean should the steroid players be in the Hall of Fame he’s on record saying that I I would would you put in here huh would you put them in oh they’re already in in my mind they already in in my mind but the standards have to be higher for those guys you know what I’m saying obviously guys like Bond and Sosa and Maguire those are no-brainers Clemens mhm guy’s like a borderline guy and he took steroids no Mark McGuire didn’t do no steroids whatever he did yes he did I’m a fight it to the day I die that was my hero girl you Mark McGuire I mean look at how skiny go look at when he was came up in Oakland with days with bonds by the way I I like every once in a while like G goes and watches YouTube videos all these things I like to every once in a while go back and watch some old like baseball moments and they were showing a video I can’t remember what year it was I popped up into my timeline and it was an at bat between Barry Bonds with the Giants and Eric G the year he won the Sai Young for the Dodgers when he was with the glasses unable yeah with the glasses as a and there was an appat where and G had I think in ra under one that year he was unhitable and bonds it was like a he G had fooled him with like a a nasty I can’t remember what he threw a curve ball I don’t remember was curve ball or change up I can’t remember his pitch repertoire and then he threw 101 mph fastball blew it by bonds with to get two strikes and then on a two strike pitch he threw it 101 again Bonds hit it out of the ballpark foul the right field but out of he turned on 101 mph fast ball hit it foul and then the next pitch he hit it for a home run very Barry Bonds my dad used to sit there and we and I couldn’t I couldn’t put in perspective cuz I was a right-hand batter but he was like look man like Barry Bonds got his hands to The Hitting Zone faster than I ever any like there’s pitches that you should not be able to turn on and he would just get to it like it was just crazy like he would like it that that year he hit all them home runs yeah like I remember couple years you I mean there was a there was a time period where between Sosa Maguire bonds and a bunch of other people there were there were people there were black people like literally whole stands full of black people just there because it was that big they used to have news right the the 6:00 newses over update yeah s hit one a day and you like for real yeah and by the way I don’t know if a lot of people remember this Barry Bonds was so good that they would walk him sometimes with the bases loaded yeah just give up the run I mean think about think about how crazy that is I’ve never seen that ever they would walk he got walked multiple times with with the bases loaded he had the he had broke the record for like the most intentional walks oh my God and sometimes they would just he would not get to play he wouldn’t hit the play he can’t get in Hall of Fame and then the one pitch that they threw him he would hit like you know how good you got to be to like like usually if you play and they throw you a pitch and that’s the pitch you looking for you fou it off players get pissed off they’re like man I I was looking for that and I fil it off Barry Bonds didn’t miss like he was looking for it and by the way as greatest bonds was he did not have the sweetest swing I’ve ever seen cuz the sweetest swing is K Griffey Jr who did who did Jose Caso snitch everybody everybody like I was there I injected rat wait a minute so he snitched though Maguire by all of them yeah he was like I was there when they injected I was there baseball was baseball loved every minute of it why would he do that you that’s why that’s like that’s like me saying T I was there I I injected t of it and then they pretended they didn’t they didn’t why would he do that though I I don’t know but the B the guys running baseball with total Hypocrites they knew it was going on come on they knew it was going on they turn the Blind Eye cuz baseball was never more popular remember remember this how I knew something was going on remember Roger Clemens at his tail end of with the Boston Red Sox now Roger Clemens was that deal for the Red Soxs oh yeah but then he was like falling off where he like okay well Roger Clemens ain’t as good as he used to be he was just you know know not it wasn’t but then he comes back and all of a sudden has velocity yeah he was the best pitcher he’s the best pitcher I’m like well how about when Brady Anderson hit 50 home run lead off man for the for the for the Oriol there’s no way did The Big Unit takes steroids I don’t think so but there we go and you know who else had a damn sweet swing Was Daryl strawberry remember him Len I can’t believe I I thought Daryl strawberry and Dwight goodon were lock Hall of Famers when they first came out getting in the I thought Raphael Palo had a nice swing oh rapael Palo had a great swing there was always rumors that the reason the Cubs traded him after his first year with the Cubs is that he slept with Ryan samberg’s wife and by the way that’s the mo one of the most hyped players of all time Ryan Sandberg if you threw him back back in the day Ryan Samberg was like they had him like oh he’s top five Ry he was my favorite R are you saying that this man ain’t going to get into the Hall of Fame because he slept with somebody no because he used steroids that’s why the oh okay all right Mike one quick reminder if you’re in the chat hit the like button hit the Subscribe button it’s totally free tonight at 6 o00 a new episode of behind the glass myself Earl Anthony we don’t know what we’re talking about yet but we promise it’ll be entertaining so make sure you guys tune in at 6 o’cl for that by the way how about that uh how about that Celtics Pacers game last oh my gosh they should they should have just filed Jason T I mean J Brown the Pacers turned it over twice in the last 30 second they had that game Terri terrible now they’re screwed there’s no way they win the series now I thought I when they was up I said there’s no way they lose this game oh man they let that get away go ahead Mike sorry so as you guys know sometimes G Bush does some extra Bleacher Report streams I do a couple they asked me to do a uh wild Browns trade idea one yesterday so I came up with some wild Browns trades that before we get into I want to make something very very very very very clear none of these will ever happened I am not proposing them I just came with some wild trade ideas cuz that’s what bleach report asked me to do so I’m going to present them to you let’s just have some fun just for the record these are not real these are not going to happen I’m not suggesting they will happen I’m not reporting they will happen I was asking about with some wild trade ideas some wild hypotheticals but you want to know if we think they’re they’re at least Fair they happen at Le yeah like are they reasonable for both teams exactly and we’ll have some fun with them because you know what in the middle of May how many you got five okay let’s go we’ve kind of talked about we’ve kind of talked about one before yeah but the other ones are complete let’s start with the craziest one just get wild get wild in this scenario Steve don’t take it yet damn Steve it’s already it’s already taking shees Justin Jefferson and JJ McCarthy don’t get along we know Andrew Barry and the GM of the Minnesota Vikings have a good working relation the going rate for a top top top flight receivers at least two first round picks in this case I couldn’t see the Browns giving up two firsts so instead of a second first how about MJ Emerson Dean Jones Elijah Moore first and a third the Vikings cornerbacks are not very good a Caleb Evans is their quter uh cornerback to Byron Murphy’s their QB uh CB1 excuse me with Brian Flores is their DC they play a ton of man coverage I see Errol smirking because he’s like I’m not trading MJ even if it’s for Justin Jefferson their offensive line is weak their right tackle Brian O’Neal not a chance he’s going to be their future right tackle you pair Christian daraw with thean Jones we throw in Elijah mors to get a receiver one first to Third and those three players in my mind equals guys a second first for Justin Jefferson this is a absolute no-brainer on making this trade I’m definitely taking that trade we 100% I don’t know if I make this trade taking that trade Mr operation stockpile I’m taking that TR Jefferson by the way why what where I don’t know I don’t know if I could die on that Hill what’s the piece what is the piece that’s getting you so I don’t care about any I mean Emerson’s good it’s Justin Jefferson so Emerson is a starter right he’s starting okay still got G new okay right but but here’s the thing you going to have to pay G new big money next year then that’s fine he was going to pay Emerson big money D danan Jones is my starting tle know but listen you didn’t come on you got Jack con the Elijah Moore D listen Matt Elijah Moore meaningless third round pick who cares first round pick a late first Jack Jack K is your starter what are you talking about it’s actually the moves is protected by who’s who’s still here listen I what I see right here I all I see is you giving up two starters and a first round pick yeah but and the third don’t really matter that much the Browns on first round you’re giving away two nice starters two nice quality St you got getting the best receiver in football one of the best him D what you talking about Mr 5,000 yards he that is making that’s risky my I can’t believe this is G Bush talking here they out of here you when you listen if they would if they would have just said MJ Emerson and some later on picks so Dean Jones give up something right tackle it ain’t even a blind side there’s no way you say no to this not trolling right now I ain’t trolling I’m looking like dang bro that’s a lot stop making that TR that is a lot Jerry Judy is now your third receiver good luck now that’s a nice receiver for nice man the best in football y should y’all got to frame that better for me you know the best Justin Jefferson I’m not saying I’m not saying I can’t be SED here yeah you got to be SED uh because he’s the bottom line Emerson and Jones good players like them both they’re very good quality starter especially Emerson yes but Justin Jefferson is either the best or the second best or the third whatever whatever you want to put him he’s probably the best I’m go ahead and make that deal before they change their mind so now you have the best receiver in football another guy who’s between 10 and 15 and then your third receiver is like the 30th 30th or 35th best receiver does that and you got n joku and you got Nick chub by the middle of the Season you can’t stop this offense that’s cold that’s kind of cold and and like I said you protector you still got G new that makes uh what’s the what’s the backup nickel that everybody talking about cam cam Mitchell sliding in that nickel so you protected there and you got Jack coning good and you drafted uh you drafted a lineman didn’t you did they that’s Zach z a nothing play tonio’s ass out it right there but you giv that but this a first in I don’t care man we miss on them all the time Justin Jefferson hey and is going to be a late pick so they really ain’t going to get the cream with a CR let me put it this way this is going to put you over the top G I guarantee this and you got Kevin you got dorsy with that’s air raid and the thing oh yeah this would you rather have Justin Jefferson as your as your number one receiver Greg Nome is your number two corner or Elijah or or uh Amari Cooper is your number one with Elijah Moore is your three instead of Jerry Judy and Greg Nome is your number two corner you put it like that yeah I mean come on when you put it like that yeah because I could get I could get by with Greg but it’s the the initial shock value because it’s a lot to give up but you got to give up a lot to get it because and and look even and I say screw them picks all the time right but this the first time we got a pick by the way let me ask you this let me ask both you guys would you would you would you if I’m the Browns I’d rather give up my 2026 first round pick than Emerson i’ keep Emerson and throw in another six two first two first and dwan essentially two first and then the other stuff y that out on I would I’m just saying I’d rather trade a first round pick that’s going to be a bottom bottom six pick because because this what I say I would but I would do it if I if if you if the Vikings if I’m Andrew Barry and the Vikings came up to me and said this is the deal take it or leave it I’m taking it what if they what if they said what if they said instead of the third they won the second two I second two I can’t thir what year was still this year this year so I mean bleeping we’ve been doing it for the past three years any way can we can can we cuz I can’t we used to pick it late in the draft Anyway by the way Justin Jefferson you know Jimmy’s going to spend the money he’s going to lock him up you’re going to have him for five Justin Jefferson’s what 24 hey 24 yeah hey throw this you got him for this whole prize he already the chat you already got you he’s going be the greatest G he’s going to be the greatest receiver in Browns history and it’s not going to be close whoa Mar Cooper is oh stop it not by the time Justin Jefferson retires Mar Cooper how many yards did he had a game where he went for how many yards 4 I don’t care he ain’t justtin Jefferson that is so does that make me have the best receiver yes absolutely Cooper Judy Jefferson is and well who’s got the best I mean let’s look you look at Cincinnati you look at Miami you know you’re oh Houston and Houston right okay let’s look at Houston Houston’s number one receiver is is uh St Stan dig digs all right Jefferson’s way better than digs Nico Collins versus Amari Cooper that’s probably a wash I’d rather have ni cins because he’s younger but right now probably T versus Judy I’d take tank Dell over Judy without a doubt but I got the big Edge at one we’re even at two boom yeah they got the edge at three no doubt but and if you want to add tight end add in joku to the pass his pass catchers it’s not close brev Jordan’s not the same category you can’t stop if you Justin Jefferson on this it doesn’t matter two to one we taking that deal so it’s happened what’s the next one real that was a good I Earl googled this someone aggregated my trade and proposed trade since Vikings Superstar to that’s why I hate the internet sometimes clearly it was a joke but uh not a joke but not real the chat I’m going to read you some comments and I’ll give you the poll result yeah uh first one Scott Zappa this trade is not good the deand 4×4 that’s a lot to give up for a number three receiver uh what he’s trolling right right right ignore people say stupid all right I’m just I’m just reading a couple as it goes through L Ford says I would never make that deal okay uh Scott says no chance in hell okay God four Ps says you have to pay JJ 30 mil a year who cares okay who cares Jimmy has told you he doesn’t care about the C I don’t care about the bunny this is not the NBA but I the the the trepidation is there it hit me in the stomach I knew I was like I don’t know tyus what is wrong with these people Earl says no no no no no I’m not giv up MJ not a Ain really trying to win bull I don’t even know what to say Earl I know cuz Earl’s out of his mind but I’m project stop pile and I I can’t believe it I was stunned but but they take they take it away from my stop pile this is once again this is another examp with the people that’s the people behind them is actually starters what are you talking about this this is another example times of and and you and I are more immune to this of people overrating their own players like Emerson’s a good player he’s not a a pro an all pro get out of here Justin Jefferson is an all pro every year the guy’s an absolute Superstar ‘s a good player I like him a lot they got to cut it out but he anywhere close and danan Jones nice rookie he got hurt uh so is that b before we go to next anybody that would not do that trade is out of their mind I agree the the poll 65% said hell yes I would do it 35 said hell no uh before we get to next one if we go a little late we’ll just skip over time we’ll just do the do the these will be fun these are fun um we went nuts for the first one I can’t that’s that’s the craziest one for the record oh you should save that for the end well then I squeeze it in but in terms of fair is that enough you think that’s enough to pry out is it that’s a lot the Browns are given up a lot they gave up a boat they giving up a lot I think that’s a I I think that’s not a crazy trade like unfair to one way they’re they’re getting cuz listen Elijah Moore would probably end up starting for them yeah he be number two they got they got three starters I think Elijah more in first in the third but if Minnesota’s not going to sign Jefferson which they’re stupid if they don’t but if they’re not going he wants to be there that’s a good package to get it’s about they get a legit starting offensive lineman a legit corner and they get a first round third round pick the build up again did you did you say are you was you serious about him not liking JJ McCarthy no I said in this hypothetical to practice I can’t all right next one next two are both you you need this context for the next two and once again wild traits that aren’t going to happen so you have to take a little liberty yeah for the next two I said okay for the sake of these Nick chub’s not coming back to at least week nine he’s going to miss half the season okay and I don’t trust Fordman Ford strong and Hines to be my rb1 for half a season they can fill in for a game admir for half a season I didn’t like it enough I want a real rb1 so I searched and I found two options that I think in an unrealistic way could fit the wild trade scenario all right how about adding the best pass catching back in football to this offense Alvin Kamar for agba in a third round pick now in theory it may seem like that’s way too little to give up but cra’s cap hits over the next two years are giant he has an $185 million cap hit this year 29 million cap hit next season they had the fourth lowest sack production from their Edge rushers last year they finished 28th 29th in football yeah they need a pass rusher I considered Zary Smith here but figure the Saints would prefer the young youth at agbo a third round pick you see the going rate for running backs it’s not very high so cra for a third and ago I’m not I’m not trading that much for I’m actually I’m not giving up that I’m not giving up agbo in that deal I’m 100% taking that deal too oh you’re taking that one too yeah I’d rather trade two draft picks no I I’d take that deal right there and because and I’m not worried about the cap because Andrew Barry is I’m not worried about finess just read the trade draft P I’m definitely taking that making that trade cuz I don’t know if I don’t know if Nick chub ever going to be back to I just don’t think you have to give up that much to get camar because running backs are worth nothing in trades he’s older for a b he’s 28 and they’re kind of starting over to some degree I know they got Derek Carr but they’re like with us going to this more past happy yeah he he be a good fit I’m taking you giving up too much I think you can get him I am taking that trade for sure you know project stop pil is back and ready to go all right pull the trigger pull the trigger let’s go that was a 1 second reprieve um that third round is minoski we draft D tackles that don’t play a third round and or wide receivers don’t play and OBO aaro I like you but I I got old boy over there I got Alex right I I could get something out of him or just Blitz a lot give me that Alin let’s roll comes to shove I’m with these guys but ultimately I think you could get him actually for Less you could I think that that should be about a fifth yeah or just or or just okaro or like a third and a fifth no okaro when I started with this one I had just a third and I was like no probably a little more than third not I and they needed a pass rusher so that’s an area of uh excess for the Browns in a good way this next trade same premise Nick chubs not here for half the season G Bush I think you’re going to like this trade the most Nick chub’s not here for half the season that’s my mindset for this all right okay I was looking at teams that had a plethora of running backs and I found one that has a guy entering the last year of his contract who’s right on the edge of being an older running back who had an extremely successful season in 2023 but may take a backseat to a younger guy in 2024 who also has a hole at a position of need the Browns have one extra guy at how about this Steve take it full how about Raheem moer for Jed Wills in a fourth add the element of speed the Browns offense has been lacking he adds the element of a downfield threat in both the rushing game with stefanski and getting the stretch plays he’s also a halfway decent pass catcher Jed Wills could have a change of scenery find what the Browns thought they were getting in a 10th overall pick a few years ago in a Mike McDaniel system their right tackle right now is Austin Johnson uh not Austin johnon I’m draw a blank on his name uh Austin something who’s not particularly good their left tackle is teron Armstead who’s always hurt fresh change of scenery for the Dolphins get in Jed Wills the Browns get their rb1 who led the NFL in touchdowns last year until Nick chub comes back the combo of chub and moster lightning and thunder pretty damn dangerous if Nick chub’s Nick chub again I don’t think I’m taking this trade I would not take this trade because I don’t know who our left tackle they don’t have a left tackle as much as I don’t like Jed Wills they don’t have another left tackle back that’s quotequote injury proone no I’m good I listen moer was still good last year but he’s old as hell how old is he he’s got to be in his 30s no he probably I think he’s 29 oh here here’s my problem just giving up a fourth round pick for moster is kind of high give like he’s 32 you you I’m not doing that you I I I could get the last deal with chimra this one Jed Wills I can’t do I don’t really know take the pick out what if it was just Jed for I’m not I don’t I don’t know who our back up I don’t have a left tackle yeah we ain’t got no left tackle that’s the problem now with J Wills might get a contract with the Browns cuz I don’t know who to backup we don’t have another left tack I don’t even think I got to give up a fourth round pick I I don’t I don’t know that moster and I know he had a lot of touchdowns last year I don’t know that he’s any better than at this point than Jerome Ford or the guys they have I keep Jerome Ford and he’s probably better but not by much I mean he had a th000 yards last year averaged five yards a carry had 18 touchdowns on the ground good had three in the air thought caught 32 passes I hear you he’s definitely an upgrade how much that might be debatable but he’s definitely an upgrade yeah I don’t know man I give him listen if they wanted a fifth round pick for him I’ll do it like even if they just wanted to straight up fourth like all right give me a fourth round for moster I’ll do it the highest I would go just for one pick is third because once again we give up we draft Anthony Schwarz is in I wouldn’t even give up a third from mostard at 32 years old no thanks he could fall off a cliff easily this year Mike next one next one I wanted to go defense on the next two and when you look at the Browns needs they don’t have a ton of needs like they’ve done a really good job constructing the roster in a way where there’s not a position you look at and say oh that’s an issue we need to fix it however I think the linebacker room is the weakest of their position group so I was looking for a way to upgrade a secondary linebacker pair alongside J I think Jord by the way Mike I’m a little disappointed that you didn’t get really crazy and propos like a Deshawn Watson sort of trade yeah I didn’t I’ll be honest I was expecting one of yeah I did too I thought that could have I tried to keep it in Wild but like within the realm of I guess some chance that you lost your you lost your wildness that’s all yeah if the next time they ask me to do it I will propose a trade for Jan Watson I find a way to just work it in all right so I trying to upgrade the linebacker room looking for a guy in the last year contract looking for a guy who’s still productive can play all three Downs because as tyus and G especially have pointed out they believe J has more pass rush upside than we’ve seen so I need a guy if they’re going to Blitz JK can hold his own in coverage and also be a threat in stopping the opposing team’s Run game I think before we show this trade I think I gave up way too much from the brown standpoint I’ll be honest I think this is the one where I gave up way too much but to match salaries it wasn’t easy you had to you going to match salaries for cuz according to the trade thing that I was using to see if it would accept it had to be at least within the relative range so not basketball I know but it there’s still like yeah right something so with that in mind there’s not a ton of linebackers out there that fit what I was looking for one guy that did fit was CJ Mosley of the Jets and in order to get CJ Mosley I looked at a position group the Browns have a plethora of talent at I thought ju Thornhill but then I was like the Jets don’t want ju Thornhill so to get C J Mosley I proposed Grant delpin and Jack conin and I hate this trade for myself it’s given up way too much but you I don’t even know if you’re giving up enough what do you mean giving up way too much Jack who the hell wants Jack Conlin I’m not starting him anyway Jack Conlin’s not a you think it’s not enough see this why I like fake tra I thought I gave up too much you’re saying not enough is CJ Mosley now old but still very productive at 150 tackles last year five tackles how are you giving up too much to me Jack Conlin is a negative in the trade yeah he’s a throw in you got to pay a guy who you don’t even know can play anymore cuz their offensive Line’s trash okay but Jack con we don’t even know if he can play anymore and we don’t and we don’t know if Grant delpit can play a whole year without being injured and C.J Mosley’s a better player than Grant delpit I think there’s no way the Jets would make that the feedback I got on bleach report yesterday was not a chance in the world the Browns make this deal you guys say the opposite I mean look like would you do it g if this was offer would you do it yeah what Browns I mean Browns got 96 safeties including tyus who comes in like what do you mean tyus they they already got him on a retainer if something happened and some happens I’m already ready to go getting Jack the roster is a bonus he got to he got a key card to the waight room like they they got uh hick you got Hickman you got uh DeAnthony Bell you got McLoud you still got Juan Thornhill I would trade Jack Conlin to the Jets for nothing sheesh you wouldn’t have to give me anything in return what just to get the contract just to get rid of himy that thing was the dumbest thing the Browns have done the last three years are you completely out on the fact that Jack Conlin could play yeah cuz when can he stay on the field and he’s how old is he he he his style of play as a lineman you know what they always tell you don’t stand straight up he’s 29 jack up right his birthday is an August turns 30 all right so he’s going to be 30 this season and he’s barely played the last couple of years so he played 14 games in 2022 how many did he play in 2021 uh he’s played one of the last three seasons essentially okay so he’s play so he’s played about 16 games the last three years he’s coming off a serious injury and he’s going to be 30 years old in a couple of months so so I’ll I’ll give him away for just always bring if you if you want to go if you want to Deshawn Watson argument just bring up Jack Conlin because we still be like oh Conlin’s a starter and he’d be hurt every year he sucks every year he’ be suck but he’s not yeah I would do this if I were the Browns just to get Conlin’s contract on but you know the reason why a lot of people think the Browns would do it is because you know they Val They Don’t Really value Del is a great he he started off great I thought he was going to make the pro boy start he would have but he got hurt he got hurt he’d be hurt every year he been hurt a lot too has he been hurt a lot how many Mosley play he missed a whole year with it CJ Mosley’s played 50 of the last 51 games CJ Mosley’s missed one game in three years and can you imagine J he’s do you think you have to give up to get CJ Mosley you have to hold pick in there bro I’m say you got to throw pick in a pick he’s 32 he makes a ton of money that’s why but I would say just forget the players I’d give him a higher pick just to take Conklin’s contract between CJ mle second in conin conin and a second and de Mario Davis don’t age CJ Mo and we had was the other guy I looked at for that jeep but I already had a Saints trade so I didn’t want to do another Saints trade he was the other guy we already had we had Double D Man Double D was nice half for one year and then just and he just he a stud he just 90 200 tackles year he’s a perfect he’s a one of the best run tackling oh my goodness he’s like the 12 was a great he was such a great leader too man that man he can have you how did they move on from himz a bunch of people didn’t know what they was doing back then who did they trade him for Calvin Prior and you know what happened you know what happened right after that pile got cut see we got one more that was such a domino effect it also affected P’s career those bastards those bastards all right one last one dopy Browns at the time and we have discussed this one a little bit on the show pre-draft okay I think it actually makes even more sense after the draft knowing who the commanders you used with the second overall pick but we hadn’t done it on bleach report so this is the one we’ve talked about before Jonathan Allen for Wyatt teller and seak eeka no picks involved money equ equates you want to unlock miles Garrett to the fullest extent you get an Elite pass rusher from the interior in Jonathan Allen not these makeshift guys who are perfectly capable how old is Jonathan Allen not as old as you think still productive why would the commanders do that I don’t know they have donon pay I don’t know but I would they just drafted Jaden Daniels now their top priorities keeping him up right there interior their offensive line is not I like Wyatt teller I’d run him up no way that that that trade would definitely happen if it was me yeah but Washington wouldn’t make that trade if they offering it I would take that oh hell yeah seak EA is mean he was just a throw and Jonathan Allen by the way is 28 uh 29 years old just turned 29 and why tell tell is what 28 right the same age and the words of the great ins synct Bye Bye Bye Bye Bye b bye bye bye bye by by by all out here they just they just drafted the kid and said that the reason they drafted him is because they remind him a Wyatt teller iak Danny Shelton the only thing about it is I don’t know I’d be upset that out of the two guards we moving on from the younger one but yeah that’s what they want so I would yeah but but Washington not taking that he’s there I figured Washington just drafted Jaden Daniels they have a whole new offensive they got Dan Quinn as the head coach but the whole new offensive stamp they have a deeper rotation of defensive you don’t trade a superstar pass rusher for a once again don’t have the random ideas here middle of the we all love why a teller nobody we don’t want that made sound ridiculous because it is true you just don’t serious what if what if EA went there and turned up I don’t know what his turn up ability is and what if he was just all pro would you be mad I think he’s most more likely to become a turnup then turn up yeah yeah okay a bad joke he got I you know what I can’t wait till the preseason cuz I got to see it for myself man like they I got to see was it him that lost a lot of weight who lost a lot of weight I don’t know oh no it was uh thear Jackson no uh oh God you’re looking at me like I’m supposed to know this I can’t even his name the Browns veteran pass rusher I can’t think of his name is it Dar Smith yeah he lost a lot of weight the off he cut his hair he cut his dreads Earl was very upset that he’s maybe I think he lost weight cuz he cut his dread uh we got some super chats why you got to boo the man just cuz he wants that he want to cut his dreads strength is in his ha don’t be hater we not cutting our dreads we not trading MJ Emerson we not doing none of this dumb stuff that’s been going on for the last if you out of pocket if you are a company out there and you want to sponsor The Cutting of errol’s hair please contact McNuggets I wouldn’t see that money on the table no money he said no money he wouldn’t do you know what Earl you you remind you know who you sound like you sound like the Cleveland Cavaliers organization and we’re Donovan Mitchell you you’re you think that everything is good you’re okay with just being in the playoffs but we want to be greater and some of these trades makes the Browns go from a playoff team to a Super Bowl team so why would you you’re saying you would you’re saying you wouldn’t make the Jefferson you’re gonna let Martin Emerson stop you from getting Justin Jefferson yeah I’m letting Martin Emerson and Dean Jones stop me from getting Justin Jefferson yes I am I’m going tell you why were you I’m joking a lot but I’m being serious at the same time I think both of those dudes are first round talents despite where they’re drafted at yeah Kevin stfy told Ty is on draft day football stars up front has won and lost in the trenches yeah we got a steal already there and I think MJ can blossom into one of the best corners in the league I all right let me ask you a question Earl how many drugs are you on when you made that statement um I I think I was on less than one but I feel this like I I feel conviction behind all right I love I like I like the passion Earl you wouldn’t your your hair for a million dollars no I actually talked about this on a podcast real quick I know we got to go but you would do it my hair has sentimental value tied to it I hear you and I’m not trying to get you to cut your hair but a million dollars changes your whole life and your whole life of your family you would have to do it ah I don’t know man we’ll see we’ll talking about would you cut your beard for $10 yeah no how much would it take you to get the beard cut 100 100 gone 100 I got 100 of hey I got a 100 when you want again but you going to get I cash I will cash app you the 100 but you got to go all clean shaving it got to be you know I’ve never seen that I haven’t done that I got I haven’t done that since high school high school look your wife I don’t even know what my chin looks like wife and daughters might be like she killed me I got the I got the $100 she be like oh in a grow B I got the 100 you could go half with her like 50/50 I got the 100 I’mma cash app you surprised you would you cut take it for 100 would you cut it on the air do you know how to cut it I got Clippers you going to cut it yeah we it’s all going to be down to zero anyway his Brand’s the barber shop he better I got all kind of Clippers that’s crazy right I’m listen this going to work 100 bucks right sure that’s awesome hey what what can we get bull to do what would you do for a million dollars no no no I’m trying I’m trying to get you to do something for pause he can’t go gr manbody what you gonna do for this 100 McNuggets 100 all we got some super chats let’s get to them yeah uh Brody’s bottom line says in uh response to my coaching candidates is Mark Jackson not getting a job anymore no no he has had a job in in like 10 years he’s he’s done I don’t know what he did I don’t know if he took some inapo snap or he’s just not going get shout out St John’s let’s go Monty Barry says stop hating on JB he ain’t going nowhere oh yeah he he going somewhere uh Sean a says this is likely the cheapest Mo will ever be give him the max jeez Brody’s bottom line says G Bush how is moy going to work on his game when the guards don’t give him the ball well he could get a rebound and just dribble you know they do let allow people to do that right like you don’t need nobody to get you the ball my dad always told me if you’re waiting for a small dude to give a big dude the ball you’re in trouble and last but not least darl says ucss is turn up Watson throwing Guardians winning JB house up for sale what a great time first time I’ve been over 500 as a little leag coach oh good luck we need to talk about bulls contract fire Bull is what that fire we’re in second place we’re in second place our he falling on that we’re 22 and one trying to get our third win tonight and the Guardians the Guardians have already should have I don’t know if Aaron’s going to play cuz he’s got a bad cold and he’s been my hottest hitter believe it or not he’s on base six times in a row you put pressure on him didn’t you no you won’t eat if you don’t get this hit I said to him I said to him this morning I don’t give a an S I don’t know why I’m going to just say it I literally said it to this morning cuz he got called I said I don’t give a [ __ ] about school I need you in the lineup tonight that’s the way to be a good dad I’m not going to lie that’s the way to be a great dad don’t nobody remember fifth grade no nobody remember fth grade teachers are mailing it in at this point anyway we’ll see you later ultimate Cleveland sport show [Music]

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Cleveland Cavaliers forward Evan Mobley wants a rookie max extension from the team, but is the 22-year-old worth it? Do the Cavs even have a choice?

Speaking of choices, there’s been no decision on the future of JB Bickerstaff yet. Is Cleveland potentially missing out on other top candidates by not moving quicker in this process?

David Fry continues to impress for the Cleveland Guardians, making a case to be a mainstay in the lineup. How can Stephen Vogt finagle things to keep him in the lineup?

Is the Guardians power surge real or a mirage?

Plus, some wild ***FAKE*** NFL trades that will never happen but let’s have some fun.

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