Low leverage is when you look at the net ratings in garbage time and even when you add that in Embiids net rating is at a +18 with Oubre off the floor and isn't anywhere near as high with Oubre on the floor.
Does this concern you or not? Oubre has always averaged 15+ points per game in his last 8 NBA seasons but has been a big net negative everywhere he's been including the Warriors who missed the playoffs the year he was on their roster. Also Embiid is the best regular season elevator in the NBA. He'd make the playoffs on any team in the NBA. Plus the Sixers record without Embiid is equivalent to the Charlotte Hornets.
Also Oubre shoots 35% from 3 in games Embiid played this season and 28% from 3 in games Embiid missed this season. League average is 38% from 3.
We also had a defensive rating of 117.3 in games Embiid missed which would be 23rd in the league, showing you how much we lack defense outside of Embiid on the rosters. In comparison, the Timberwolves who had the number 1 defense this season, had a defensive rating of 111.5 in games Gobert missed, which would've given them the 4th best defense in the league. Shows how much better a team with good defenders other than their starting center is defensively. The Knicks are not a top 5 offense in the league to9 yet our 112.1 defensive rating in the playoffs was 9th in the league out of all 16 teams that made the playoff. Also, in games 3 to 6, Brunson averaged 42 points and shot 49% from the field against us highlighting our lack of perimeter defense.
Anyways, do you think Oubre being a net negative everywhere he's been despite averaging a high number of points is concerning or do you think it doesn't matter? And what role would you have for him next season if you brought him back? Starter? 6th man? Or bench? Wondering what you guys think about this.
by Master-Extreme5244
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He’s not on the team his contract expired
Deceiving yourself with the stats. Look at the numbers from games both Embiid and Kelly played, our whole team would have horrific net rating numbers because literally nobody was good when Embiid was injured.
If you filter that to Kelly and Embiid both played games, it’s all positive (with Embiid being notable higher with + Melton – Oubre from that ridiculous 5 man lineup we had before injuries)
Kelly’s been a lot better than previous stints. Gives us badly required athleticism and willingness to shoot, which jumps out of the screen while watching. Obviously we can’t overpay him but he was terrific this season
Tldr: can manipulate stats to say whatever you want
Every single metric will show Oubre being at best, neutral, at worst very negative. But he smiles when he dunks and blows kisses to the crowd so hell I guess he’s good
This just really confirms what we all know about the guy; he **needs** to become a more willing passer. Thankfully, he started to show that more and more as the season went on. I think it’ll be a focus point from Nurse if we re-sign Kelly.
If he adds passing to his game, he’ll become a much better player overall, so it’s a win-win. And being on a decent team for back-to-back years and playing with other scorers is not something he’s had the pleasure of in his earlier seasons, so I think his own desire to pass will increase naturally anyway. Essentially, his passing will improve with trust, rather than improving because Nurse is forcing it, which is better for the team and for Kelly’s own mentality.
1. He should be a backup. The roster just sucked so he had to be a starter.
2. I don’t know where you get 38% league average from 3. It is 36.6%.
3. He shot much worse after getting hit by a car. His shoulder affected his shot.
4. He is an ok backup for the right money. Not a priority. I am not concerned about a backup. Fix the starting lineup first.
Look at the teams Oubre’s played on. Washington (Bradley Beal/John Wall injury era), Suns (Dragan Bender/Josh Jackson era) and then Charlotte. I don’t think anyone would have a positive net rating on teams like that. GSW is the only good team he really played on and that was the year Klay was hurt and it was before Jordan Poole took off.
Worried about a player who is not on the team anymore? No. He had some good games last season and is a fan favorite but he’s a bench player.