Miami Heat: Should they build to beat Boston? | Five on the Floor
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skullnick and5 Reon Sports I got Brady Hawk you can follow me at Brady Hawk 305 I got alexo you can follow him at Tropical blanket make sure you check out the last couple of episodes that have gone up here on the feed one I did with Greg sander we went through depressed assets okay like players like Kyrie Irving maybe not at quite that level the players that the heat could get because essentially they’ve fallen out of favor for one reason or another the Heat have had great success with this in the past Tim Hardway is one uh that jumps to mind someone who had dropped a third string point guard with a golden state Warriors behind BJ Armstrong uh and I believe at the time bimbo Kohl’s actually ends up coming to Miami and he makes more all-star teams and he solidifies his Hall of Fame career is there a player like that out there Greg and I went through it also make sure you check out the force uh the first one we put on our feed if you like it we’ll put more our guys major passin and Matt hanifen do a great job covering the Sky Force but also under the raidar prospects so they went through the second rounders that the heat may be able to look at in the draft which is roughly month away so we’re putting that on the feed and we will be putting more uh during the off season today we’re going to get into one of the teams that is still in the playoffs I know much of the shrin of Miami Heat fans the Boston Celtics they’re up 30-0 in their in their Eastern Conference Finals I’m not sure that any team in history has ever gotten an easier path than this the conference was not great to begin with and then it’s like everybody gets hurt um so obviously no Jimmy Butler uh in the first round in the last round Donovan Mitchell gets hurt towards the end of the series other Cleveland players were banged up they were not considered to be a great threat to them anyway and then the Indiana Pacers who were surprised Eastern Conference Finals team mostly getting there because all the Knicks injuries and then Tyrese halberton gets hurt so it’s this has just been this has been a cakewalk uh to the finals I don’t even know that we’ve seen Boston have to exert themselves all that much but so we’re going to present this anyway just out of some respect because the Celtics were dominant this year during the regular season they added porzingis they added holiday porzingis not even uh part of this right now but just to go through it I I’ll ask this question Alex and then we’re going to Pivot to see how they would do it should the heat build a team to beat Boston or should they just build a team yes that’s my answer they should build the team to beat Boston and and those two things shouldn’t be mutually exclusive I just think it’s like you play in the Eastern Conference you know much to the Heat’s benefit throughout this era right where like you don’t play in a conference where you feel like you’re playing with like five against five other contenders or whatever like the west and you know they you’re 12 teams deep with good teams so like it it’s benefited them before but now it’s to that point like you’re saying where you know you play who’s there and Boston is the team who I bet you if you ask them just like privately they will tell you that’s the team that you know you got to get over the hump with not that you know they haven’t done it before but it’s like the changes have been made the season ended how it ended we didn’t get to see you know the two teams fight at full force all that but that they’re they’re there now they’re like they’re they’re the team to beat like you said they dominated the regular season their moves really panned out for them and now you know porzingis is out we’ll see when he comes back but they’re they’re the team to beat so yeah if you’re trying to get back to the finals then you got to beat a team I mean build a team that can beat the Boston Celtics for sure all right before we get into the specific of what that looks like how would you answer that same question Brady I would say you have to build a team to beat Boston the reason I say that is just because of the style of play you need to beat them with is a style of play you need to beat most of the good teams in the west like it’s not just about getting to the finals they have in the past about getting over the hump they they say it’s Championship or bust all the time and it feels like they always get to the point where either uh they’re too small they are too don’t have enough scoring and I think those are kind of the two things that you need to kind of beat a lot of those those Next Level teams but look like look at what Indiana’s done this series they down three 0 but they probably could have should have won game one just with the way that game ended up playing out game three without halber and they had a chance of winning as well they controlled that game till the end and ended up kind of blowing it late the reason is because they have a crazy offensive team a very good scoring team and if we’re to talk about a way the way to beat Boston the way to build a team to beat Boston you I don’t I don’t know if it’s it’s enough just a lean offense like with this current Boston group you you have to have like real legit consistent offense it can’t be spotty it cannot be like okay we’re going to shoot over our heads and hope like you have to have a guy consistently multiple guys that are able to kind of really take you that next level offensively so I think Indiana just seeing what they’re able to do right now is a good example of that just because I mean look they don’t they’re not World beaters in terms of of roster construction but they do have good uh game plan in terms of just their offensive philosophy so that would be the interesting thing so in a way I would say it’s building a team to beat Boston just because I think it beating B the team to beat Boston is similar to the teams they trying to beat in the west all right here’s where I I am on this um for years okay teams were constructed to beat Jordan I’m going to go back before your guys time okay there was this idea that first thing there was a team already built to beat Jordan when Jordan was ascending which was the Detroit Pistons right phys physical put him on the ground Jordan rules okay all that stuff with Chuck Daly you know you had a back court of guys I mean forget lambir and Mahorn okay but you also had like Dumars Isaiah like take no bleep type players okay but it was more physical time and so then as Detroit faded as Jordan finally passed them and that was the one he had to beat it was more so them than the Celtics the Pistons had to get past the Celtics the the Bulls had to get past the Pistons and there was kind of it used to be that like it was this progression like this is kind of what um our friend Vinnie Goodwill asked Anthony Edwards after the Western Conference Finals about losing and if you saw Anthony Edward’s response to him they were like and C we’ve been losing for 20 years okay um that’s my best cat uh like the the the point of Vinnie’s question because Vinnie is not as old as me but he’s a he’s kind of an old head is that it used to be like you had to get over the team or the player on top and you would keep failing until you finally broke through so then okay you go through the Pistons and the Bulls and then the Bulls emerge and so what kind of teams tried to beat the Bulls well the Knicks Riley’s Knicks okay uh the Indiana teams with the Davis brothers even though they weren’t Brothers Antonio Davis Dale Davis Rick Smiths physicality right that was the idea you had to and and like a guard like John Starks okay another take no bleep physical type player he wasn’t as big as Jordan but he would play him that way well none of it worked okay they they all tried it Jordan kept getting to the finals uh and then the team that really was supposed to ascend past him was a more talented team like the magic with sha and Penny and by then Jordan had the gambling everything that happened during that period of time and then of course the baseball retirement by the time time he came back but none of these they were constructed to beat him it didn’t work okay then there was LeBron right so LeBron Rises and all these teams are trying to beat LeBron but like Toronto lost him like straight years with low and d roza like all these teams were constructed and he got to eight straight finals okay like which is just insanity and probably will never happen for one player again Chicago Indiana Boston all right these teams tried but again and and there’s this whole list of of players great players who never won championships because of Michael Jordan like that’s or they never won championships in their Prime like Gary Payton won one but it wasn’t he didn’t win one when he was supposed to Reggie Miller Another one uh Patrick Ying Etc Charles Barkley all these great stock in them Malone okay the my point overall is this when you try to build a team to beat a particular other team it typically does not work it typically does not work because when you’re more focused on them than you are on you you don’t add pieces that maximize what you do well and so I would say Here My overall thought in the second half of this episode we’ll get into how they would be the team to be Boston is I actually think they kind of need to ignore Boston like I I I I don’t think that they because here’s the other thing about it porzingis holiday this team’s getting expensive okay it it’s gotten more expensive and they’re gonna have to pay Tatum now too they’ve already paid Brown they may not look exactly the same uh going forward and so sometimes you end up building a team to beat a particular team and then the target you’re going for looks different um and so uh to me what Miami has to do is Miami has to maximize what its coach does well and if they’re going with these two star players what these two star players do well and that’s kind of what Greg and I were getting into and the point I made in the last episode which is that we can say okay do what Dallas did right build around your two best players reshuffle it they added Gafford they added PJ Washington right but Dallas’s two best players are Elite scorers like one is arguably the best scorer in the league and the other one when he gets it going is that is top 10 and Miami’s two best players are not Elite scorers they’re not they can score Jimmy has scored at a high level in particular but they’re not Elite scorers so Miami needs to customize its team for that and they need to go all in on scoring around the two of them that’s kind of where I’m at and I know Brady that kind of fits with what you’re saying but I don’t think it’s because of Boston I think it’s because of them they I I just I think I think it has to be more about what they do but I’ll let you guys comment on this on the other side and then uh and then we’ll get into uh spe and here’s the other part about it Jason Tatum is not LeBron James in his prime and he’s not Michael Jordan his prime okay and T that was be one of my points right well Tatum and brown are not Jordan and Pippen in their Prime right so this is this is not and or nor nor are they even LeBron and Wade okay even though Wade was the back end of his prime so or LeBron and Kyrie so I I just I don’t think that they should obsess about the Boston Celtics that’s that’s kind of where I’m at with it particularly because they’ve had success against them in the past when they’ve been uh reasonably healthy all right we’ll get some more of this in a second before we do want to mention one of our great sponsors water cleanup of Florida you can find them at wcu.com that’s wcu.com get the preventative maintenance if you see a leak in there take care of it right away because after the fact they can do it they will do it they’ll be honest about it they’ll do the damage assessment they’ll tell you how much it’s going 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west I’m completely with him on that sentiment and so you know like he said scoring and size and that’s kind of the two things that I feel like all Heat fans are kind of in unison uh which is very rare right but it feels like everybody’s in unison on like you know these the things that need to be better but it’s also so much easier said said than done because it’s like well they’ve tried to address some of their holes throughout the years but it’s like you have to get the right fit you know the right group of guys that fit together and compliment each other nicely and it’s like you know we all like liked the Terry Rosier trade right to give an example it’s like okay you needed a point guard upgrade you needed somebody else who could make plays who can get to the rim who can create for themselves and he he fills all those boxes but then it’s like you have this whole conundrum now that if you know we didn’t get to see too much of um because of availability and injury but you know this whole thing where Tyler and Terry both seem to be starters you know a lot of people don’t seem to be sure if that’s the the right starting back court together including Pat Riley felt like he kind of gave his his opinion away a little bit in that press conference and he’s like oh maybe one of them could come off the bench and I think like that’s like an example of you know some of the problems that have come throughout the years for the heat where it’s like you’re trying to fix one hole it brings up more problems and that’s those are the comp the complexities with trying to build a contending championship team and I think they’re kind of in the midst of it right like they’re like okay we needed the point of attack Defender you know we got the lawn right you know um they got Patty Mills is somebody who can just fill in when other guys are out not that he was somebody to help contend and then like just you know Lowry was supposed to be the guy a couple of years ago when they when they traded for him and it’s like you got to make the right move you got to get the the the right group of guys to fit together like I said and I just think like playing Boston you know you you probably can’t start Terry and Tyler together so that’s one thing right I think we we we saw that in that one regular season game I believe that was during our our watch party at rock that uh they were trying to like switch everything against Boston and that was a game where Terry and Tyler were both starting and man I just remember like them two getting switched on to porzingis and him shooting right over them over and over again and I just think you can open up a lot of offense if you have two guys and Terry and Tyler that you can attack in that way because Boston just has so much size at every position so it’s a tough matchup I I I I’m with you that you don’t obsess over it but it does feel like the product they have right now even though we’ve liked some of their additions individually you know maybe the the the fit isn’t 100% seamless right so it’s like hakz and yovic were were two kind of you know prototypes of guys that you wanted the heat to add you wanted them to add another Wing who could create for himself which is hakz you wanted them to add you know um an offensively versatile stretch forward next to Bam that’s kind of what yic is like I think you know again I mentioned the Terry like they’ve tried to address things little by little I just do do they have the finished product to be boss it I don’t know I think it I in my opinion it would have been a really competitive series if everybody was healthy but it’s just you know we’re playing with hypotheticals at that point like I think Boston hadn’t seen a Heat team you know with this much scoring talent that I think this Heat team had if if they were healthy but it’s again we’re playing with in theory at this point because we just didn’t really get to see it like Terry and Tyler I think would have been it just gives another element that the heat didn’t really have in the past series versus the Celtics despite I mean um excuse me besides um Goron in 2020 and so you had ter and Tyler there you had what hakz could bring you you had what yic could bring you and it’s like yeah I really like it all in paper I mean on paper but we never really got to see it come together and so I think for the heat it’s trying to figure out like what do we do from here right if the star trade isn’t available if the Donovan Mitchell isn’t available or whatever none of these situations become feasible it’s like where do we go from here because we didn’t get to see too much of it you know we like a lot of these guys individually how do you get to how do you fix another hole in your in your game without giving up something you already like I don’t know like I I just think it’s a complicated situation for them yeah no it is um I don’t know that we again we’ll never know but I don’t know that the Terry Tyler back court would have been particularly effective against that team um it just come off the bench if if if we saw like well well and also it’s circumstantial in the sense that if Terry had been coming back off an injury then he probably would have come off the bench but then and maybe Caleb Still starts but then the other issue was Duncan wasn’t himself so I mean I we the the hypotheticals Run Deep right like because there were so many things Wrong by the end Beyond just Jimmy not being available and everything was supposed to play off of Jimmy and of course the heat didn’t get any rhythm with that group but Brady what what I mean again I you kind of touched on it beforehand but the idea being that you know eulen offense have a multiple offense have a consistent offense have a bunch of different triggers and places that you can go and that’s the same against Boston it’s gonna be some of those Elite teams in the west and again one of the points I make about the West is nobody expected Dallas to come out of there if you were prepping for a team out of the West you’d prepping for Denver right like and Dallas is a different team than Denver they I mean they they are they’re operating with their perimeters first okay even if one of their perimeters is nearly seven feet tall like that you’re it’s a totally different operation like nobody was saying oh we got to build a team to beat Dallas I mean Dallas didn’t even make the playoffs last year didn’t make the playin last year I mean they they essentially tanked out of the playin so if I was to say to you Brady like what would you do to beat Boston again is these these these same things I mean do you need an elite third scorer to beat Boston one guy yeah I I mean well they’ve done it before I guess you could say without it and but I think at this stage right now nobody’s getting any younger uh the injury bug keep happening over and over you just can’t Overlook that aspect of it you do need that guy you need that score so that you’re not getting it out the mud and need these huge major performances from a guy like Jimmy to get you through um and look Dallas I think is a good example because they’re a team that made midseason positions to put them over the top and I think that’s kind of what we’re talking about is like did did they make those moves to add size because of the teams like Minnesota and Denver at the top of the conference to match up with them or did they see that as like their weakness that they needed to build that roster for themselves because I think it is a little bit of both I think that that’s where Miami is I think they need scoring to beat Boston but they need scoring because look bigger than Boston they need scoring for a Tuesday night in January against Washington like that that’s their bigger problem probably than anything it’s like most fans would probably talk about okay at at the peak of their powers with health you you’re not really shying away from the fact that Miami can go toe-to-toe with Boston in a playoff series but the issue is that you’re not getting put in a position to to to ultimately get there you’re you’re coming up short because of your re regular season problems you’re you’re coming up short because of those random nights where guys are out and they don’t have the scoring on those nights and you’re you know spoler comes out in the postgame press conference because it’s what he does and says like oh this was in the mud it’s like it gets to a certain point where it it’s it’s going to be fun ultimately to get another team in the mud while you’re have kind of your scoring explosions usually when they’re in the mud both teams are in the mud it’s never one it’s never the other team that’s in the mud only so I just think that’s kind of the the thing here is like if you want to match up with Boston and build a team to beat Boston you first have to build a team for yourself to your point Ethan because it it is you have to build a regular season team we we always talk about building these playoff teams and and teams make those mid-season Acquisitions to make yourself a playoff team but to start off in the off season right now you have to make you have to build a regular season team when you’re a playing Team two years in a row you have to kind of re-evaluate and say we need to take the regular in other than just taking the regular season more serious and being available as Pat kind of talked about you just need to build a regular season unit that’s more successful and I just look around the league right now these teams score these teams have like really good offensive talent that that could just put points up and that’s the way this League’s turning to and Miami is always going to have that the defensive uh disposition that they’re just always going to lean on that ultimately when it comes down to it but at certain pockets of an 82 game regular season you have to find a way to score at a certain level to get you there so that that it is kind of a 50-50 thing I feel like one goes with the with the next in terms of building your own team against beating Boston but build a team to beat Washington another Tuesday night just did let’s start there well build a team so that things look easy sometimes that everything you mentioned the mud like they’re in the mud all the time it’s never like okay they just went on a 17 nothing run because like they couldn’t be stopped during that uh we saw Jimmy do it as one man runs in the previous playoff series but expecting him to ever do something like that again I think even for those who are the biggest Jimmy Believers uh is too much to ask and I’ll just as we close here and I appreciate our sponsors water clean up of Florida better Edge use the code 5 RSN I’ll say again when you build team to build beat another team it usually does not work it’s not just the NBA uh for years teams have Tri tried to take down Tom Brady’s Patriots and for years they won the division I watched the Dolphins do this year oh we got this we added Corners we added this we’re g we’re gonna shut down Moss then Moss wasn’t there anymore uh you know we’re we’re gonna we’re GNA run uh you know a different kind of offense against kind of uh you know that that will exploit the Patriots uh lack of size sort of at linebacker and all the rest I I heard all of this stuff it never it never works I mean now teams are doing it to beat Mahomes Mahomes is beating them anyway so difference is that team doesn’t exist in the NBA now ever since the the Warriors Dynasty kind of like broke up and I know that you know they won another title again but it’s been different teams in the finals year after year and so I think that helps the heat but at the same time it’s like you know there’s no clear Target to beat but I I I just think you know looking at the conference it’s like okay Boston is the team to beat but like they’re be beatable and as we’ve talked about on this pod they’re beatable yeah they’re not they’re not they’re not this is not an all-time team this is it’s it’s just not it’s it’s a well- constructed team around two stars I’m not going to call either a superstar honestly uh to me to me it’s it’s it’s two two stars uh and and they’re good there’s no question the porzingis move the holiday move for their own reasons made a lot of sense for them Derek white was a was a great acquisition uh but is this is by the way I know but I I am not I mean again I’m old enough to remember what look the Bulls went on the floor with Jordan and Pippen and Rodman and you knew you were losing okay you were losing like it might not look great for them the whole time and Michael might start five of 16 but you were losing at the end okay and it’s the same it’s the same when you look at like the Patriots with Brady with some of those teams it didn’t matter what happened the Falcons got way up Patriots could look like total garbage for most of the game you were losing okay that’s how it is there was just there right the Warriors and you mentioned the Warriors but the thing with the Warriors is too again people you the teams tried to build to beat them uh it didn’t work it really just took LeBron going nuclear like and if you don’t have a LeBron in his prime and 2016 was close enough to his prime it that’s not the way to do it okay that’s not the way you build the best possible team that you can and you hope you catch some breaks honestly that’s the way it is but Boston is not that and obviously Denver is not that and and I I know that the one counter people going to say is well Minnesota was kind of built to beat Boston to beat Denver I don’t think they were intentionally built that way to beat Denver it worked out okay because of their size and other things along those lines um and and I thought and Denver I but I think it really had more to do with the fact that Denver lost on its bench in uh over the off season something that we talked about they weren’t quite as deep and they weren’t quite as sharp honestly and they probably had a little bit of Hangover from winning a championship and again if you build a good team like Minnesota did you can take advantage of that I don’t think it’s necessarily because a year before that they put gobear next to towns and decided we’re going to go huge to guard joic those guys weren’t even on the floor at times with yic during this series they had Nas Reed a lot so I I again I I think you focus on yourself that’s the way that you go with this all right uh we will have more episodes throughout the week U make sure again you check out the major mat pod called the force um on our podcast feed we’ll start getting into the draft stuff in June have a good one everybody
As the Boston Celtics are likely headed back to the NBA Finals, should Miami build a team this offseason that is specifically designed to take the Celtics down? Or just worry about building the best possible team they can, that fits their own style? Or are those the same thing? Ethan, Brady and Alex discuss.
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12 Comments
No. They should build to win the championship. They already proven they can beat Boston multiple times.
No cause Boston’s is not going to win against a western team so there’s no point in doing that 😂
Build to beat Boston means we need more talent I know we are gritty enough to battle them but we need more Talent this team is not talented enough
Why build just like the most top heavy team in the league ? No bench just doesn’t make any sense .
Everytime in the last 5 years we got eliminated it wasnt injuries or any other excuse its was because we rant into teams with more talent we dont have enough talent we have overachieved because of great coaching and organization structure but we lack real talent and havent had real talent since Lebron, Wade and Bosh
You mean build to beat the western conference, whole point is to win it all… right🤔
Unbelievable trading Dinwiddie and Finney-Smith got Dallas Kyrie Irving shows that u don't always get top value in return for Stars just like Ayton and Brogdon got Milwaukee Dame
The best teams remaining all recognized their shortcomings and did something about it during the offseason and through trades during the regular season. The Heat no matter how bad always will never make moves. They have a 5 year plan and will stick to it no matter how unwatchable their team is. Butler is our star and can't score, misses alot of games and when he does play he doesn't seem engaged. He needs to go. Miami needs a President/GM that's not asleep at the wheel as well.
Build to beat Boston? How about build to win a championship….. the remaining 4 teams are bigger and can score, enough with the small ball crap….. Celtics the least of are worries
Miami needs to get bigger. Move Bam to the 4 and get a tough big man that can play with Bam. The Heat are so worried about spacing. Won't work when you're shooters are all inconsistent. Miami needs to move off of Butler, Herro, and Duncan Robinson (13 points a game and no D for 20 mil a year). No need to blow it up. Just sign D Murray and OG Anunoby (UFA). These moves will put us under the 1st apron and will allow the Heat to move off of the G-league projects. Jamal Cain, Dru Smith, O. Robinson, Cole Swider do not belong in the NBA (let alone all on the same team).
You have to build to play vs Boston, unless you’re ok never getting past them again.
Trade DUNCAN ROBINSON and THOMAS BRYANT for KYLE KUZMA and TYLER HERRO plus a pick for DEJOUNTE MURRAY if the heat dont get Donavan Mitchell,,, then draft KEL'EL WARE at #15 and TRISTAN DA SILVA at #43! Lets go! 🔥