Luka Finally Meeting Tatum in the Finals, Reaction to Rasheed Wallace’s ’17 Warriors vs ’04 Pistons

Luka Finally Meeting Tatum in the Finals, Reaction to Rasheed Wallace’s ’17 Warriors vs ’04 Pistons

welcome back to yet another episode of your favorite podcast point4 we have a lot to talk about today but before we get into it please be sure to follow us on all platforms at point [Music] for point forward is sponsored by draftking stay tuned because you’ll hear more about DraftKings and all it has to offer throughout the show DraftKings the Crown is yours point forward all right coming out to gate ET for the finals this year quite interesting looks like the Mavericks are the first team since the Lakers did it in 2010 to beat three 50 plus win teams on their right route to the finals and so with that we have some interesting odds obviously we’ve been following I mean the whole year Boston has had the best odds but I don’t think many people predicted the Mavericks would be here and anything I I’m going give you credit it seems like anything we say or you say ends up being like a super crazy narrative somewhere else and I’m saying all that to say folks are saying that Luca and Kyrie might be the best backourt duo of all time and in saying that how are you seeing their odds matched up against the Celtics for this year’s finals I think when you have a dynamic duo like that you seen it face to face pause when when LeBron and Kyrie came in they averaging 80 for games like sometimes shoot like I said the jimmies and Joe’s gonna Trump the X’s and O’s but I think to a certain extent they’re going to have to play at that high level and it’s not like vers a Twan Duo the others for Boston Celtics are very very good almost to a point where we’re like we’ll complain about what Jason T’s doing he’s getting his 29 Points out the way I just think like one thing that they did do that helped them well was they finished off the series quick and they had like two weeks break so LC can really rest his knee but I also was out there bro January 24th I took my daughter to the game Boston versus Dallas in Boston I mean in Dallas and Boston Celtics blew them out and Jason had 40 and it wasn’t even a believable game the match up was just too much granted this is before the Grant Williams stade but they would have to damn near be on every night and be at special in my personal opinion as Kyrie and LeBron were back in 2016 when they won yeah they had another Hall of Famer there too that they don’t like giving enough credit to which is Kevin Love but I digress on uh that MAV team going to the DraftKings odds for game one the series and you know they got correct score plus Series winners for all you gambling degenerates out there um so game one Celtics are a favorite by six and a half points um with over under total score of 214 a half which is super interesting Boston is favored to win the series at a minus 210 Dallas is uh plus 175 and then there’s so many uh correct scor Series winner uh odds with uh Celtics winning 41 Celtics winning 42 Celtics winning 40 and then the Celtics winning 41 as well as on the other end for the Mavericks you remember back in the day I think I said on a pod I I text Tatum and told him yo I can’t wait until you and Luca play in the finals one day we miss these conversations we should record these conversations more often Luca versus Tatum it was man bro it was one unbelievable to see where to I I text Tatum and said yo I can’t wait to see y’all play in the finals one day yeah is going to be unbelievable because like those two dudes are so cold yeah unreal and now it’s getting to the point where I think they’re starting to become aware of each other yeah so like gloves are kind of starting to come off in my opinion from a distance so I think it’s starting going from like being all this pretty [ __ ] to being like all right we’re gonna see a battle every single time I’m talking about like some new like 40 like both kids are going to go get 45 and then some like a batt we getting back to circling the calendar again and we I think we lost that and we’re getting back to it yes go ahead go ahead do your thing I feel as though just as a fan how you say like you retired you can be a fan I think I’m at a point now in my life where I this part of the NBA is going to make me as jit like jittery and as happy as I was when I was a little kid watching it got a question for you yeah why are people saying I heard someone speak to um why are folks saying that the way that Boston got rid of um Indiana and the way that Dallas got rid of Minnesota it’s too big of a gap going into the finals and it kind of kills some steam like that hype going into the finals like I don’t think so but but maybe I don’t know something cuz I’m a basketball like fan fan yeah no I I think you might know too much when you sit still you like you’ll sit back and go your War days and like man two weeks going into the finals you know what I mean both teams like it the hype it’ll be there once the game sets up because everybody’s gonna be healed happy healthy and Full Throttle to go like it is what it is like ideally eight days without NBA basketball is pure hell but at the same time like bro those games were exciting this whole year you know what I mean at very least what I could say moving forward if you get swapped too early like I said prior to or gentleman sweep I feel as though the Pacers and Timberwolves should still be playing a four game series for third place you know what I mean or a five game series for third in between in between and I just feel like that’s an Unwritten rule because it’s like n it’s is even when you go to like some of uh the heavyweight fights if certain fights get done too quick they have like some backup fights you know what I mean or or or the top two seeds or the top two lottery winners so don’t even announce oh the lottery winner don’t announce a lottery winner it say you go all the way from what did they in the lottery they go from 10 to one go from go from 13 to three and then the last two these are the last two teams so who who who’s there is Atlanta and who got the second pick who did get that second pick um some somebody bad got it man this draft bad what they say I think somebody let the Lakers keep they pick you like you can have that piece of [ __ ] like like we don’t want the first one by the time we get to the 17 DC got the second pick point forward I’m actually this is a good series because this is one of those Series where um I’ll be happy with wh whomever wins you know how you guys get the series like please don’t let them win mean maybe that’s a competitor to me and I’m no longer playing but I want to see certain people win on both sides yeah absolutely I obviously I’m going for the Celtics but then like [ __ ] it’s like man if Tatum if if Irving Kyrie wins I like that for a different reason and if Luca wins man I like that for a different reason because uh I’m I’m obsessed with these background stories G like just even where Luca comes from where Kyrie comes from when you break down where Tatum comes from Jaylen Brown it’s like these are some beautiful Stories being written and unraveling that is uh unreal even when you saw Luca backstage when he was having a beer after the game he standing next to his dad and it’s like he chilling he come out he pretty much just in all his elimination games he go straight for the Gusto and I want to be like what what did he teach him growing up where this dude is just like this like do you understand what I’m saying is like you I mention a Edwards going at KD it’s like bro these some dangerous boys they playing with G and it’s like they don’t scare you yeah he sitting back having a brusi like [ __ ] is it I just won me a Euro League at 18 it’s time to get this other one like they said like does is this an Andre Agy disposition where he don’t know or like but it’s just unbelievable seeing being like you look at Tatum like you look at when we talk to him we see videos from when he’s 11 years old and he’s living out his dream now it’s like man these dudes is built they built different bro these little boy these these dudes is build type different it’s kind of maybe what I’m sure Bri and know was like that too in our day and I was too close to it but these these young is built different yeah but it’s funny because we spoke before on the young guys young players in general our younger generation where they all believe that they’ve made it and the issues with it and so you I mean you got to have a certain type of confidence to you like you how do you know that’s the one that should be doing it versus the one that should be shouldn’t be doing it but I don’t know I heard about Tatum from my god brother when he was in high school like Jason Tatum was gonna be like he gonna run the league at some point like someone told me this and I don’t just hear that every day so you know there exception to every Rule and certainly it was him but I’m looking forward to the finals I think it’s going to be amazing I’ll be at game two yeah it’s just a lot of star power man even Jason kid what he’s been doing like yes you think of Coach Jason kid he’s a Hall of Fame player like think about him being a coach and switching over and it’s like bro they always say foreign players struggle to coach but like he didn’t want a couple games with adjustments knowing when to call time out like really you know what I mean and then at the same time being able to trust his players to go kill and I’ve spoken to this before um no I think not publicly but like a week or two ago maybe it’s last week I said to someone I’m really interested to see J kid and Missoula go head-to-head and you know from what perception may be whether it’s true or not you know and how his style is and how he likes to adjust or lack thereof and how Jay kid has been a mastermind and just figuring it out no matter what series he’s been in as a coach that matchup is gonna be because you know they’re gonna dissect that as well but two two African-American coaches in the finals I don’t know if that’s how many times it’s happened not two this the second time it’s the second time so super excited about that I mean uh I don’t know if I can root for that but I am rooting for that um but so you know it’s going to be I feel like you have two teams who deserve to win it and that’s the ultimate scenario and shout out to my man Brad Stevens man what he doing right now too arguably one of the best college coaches of our time came up was able to do a lot of big things with the Celtics but even what the executive of the year and putting this team together bro like it’s a lot of dynamite going into these plays that are on on the court and behind the scenes yeah I’m looking forward to this I’m looking forward to this and then obviously Nico Nico that’s our man our guy from Nike who’s switched over I don’t know if we’ve ever seen a Nike rep or shoe rep switch over and have some success the way that he has and going through a ownership change you know your your job is usually in Jeopardy and so uh give that man his 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one yes but that team probably would give us more problems than any other team like the Spurs they’re great teams will give us some problems I mean we gonna bring Tim Duncan out on the perimeter even though he was really good yeah Tim could figure it out bro Tim could figure it out but but we would have he would have to come on a perimeter and and TP we would have put in a blender um in terms of his size a young T his size his size I mean KD KD I don’t think people understand the cheat code that KD was you have to just really worry about Duo because clay was hear on [ __ ] it’s a finals like do you understand and that’s not me being rude that’s the truth so like you know where we had an advantage though we would have our cuz their starting five would be a good matchup but the score was 80 something to 80 something right so we they keep talking about us defensively like how much defense would we have to really worry about if they only scoring 8 some points right like the big thing was like they would have to figure out how to keep us within the 80s and our bench has has really been underrated like you don’t really hear too much about our bench and the stuff we did so Sean Livingston myself Barbosa uh or even David R whichever crew you want to pick um our bench was really set up for like clay like we had so many different lineups that we can use like I saw one lineup Klay wasn’t in I saw another one we had a lineup where like uh like I was in for Draymond maybe like we had so many interesting lineups and then they keep forgetting about Zaza yeah he got the head of the crew in terms of like his toughness like so Zaza would have been been a great matchup for the Pistons and javil actually was really good for us like javil sign I think he might have bag like 20 million 25 million since he left us like that 2019 20 no jav might have back like 40 million since he left us and that’s when his he went on Olympic gold medal too he got Olympic gold medal so you know people tend to forget about they think about you know the core which is what you should think about but we we we had a really good bench yeah I mean I always say this too about y’all too y’all could play four or five different ways at a high level yeah and that was like an understatement like if you want to score it out y’all is down to score it out you know I mean if you want to get in defense y’all just tough bro like when you sit there it’s just like y are so battle tested bro y’all could play at several different ways and switch up that quickly and not even talk about it yeah I I think I think people also go ahead go ahead no no no I’m just saying when you break down the NBA and stuff it’s just like to do that with 12 legit be like all right bro we gonna show up here it’s gonna be a finesse Fest we g go out and play the Clippers we G to wrestle them test them and eventually just beat them down go play OKC however y’all want to do it cool go play Brian and them we didn’t beat y’all every time but for whatever reason for TV ratings they keep cheating us like do you understand what I’m saying like almost to the point where y’all leav and like these bum ass like do you understand I’m saying y’all it’s not a joke but the way y’all play y’all ruin basketball with y’all dominance because it’s not it’s not to take away from like even saying KD it was just like bro y’all play any type of way at a high level any type of way with anybody bro and that very least you had a stick of dynamite that was going to get Unleashed yeah like the cheat code is Steph Curry for five minutes bro you you you get the nail on the coffin with we can play anyway and people tend to just think we can play one way and we got a lot we got through many series Without somebody like we got through we got through the Spurs without Steph and I I started at the point I think people forget about that you know we we got through we went out 2019 y got through Houston and and and Stephen Clay shot 35 % a piece bro and KD missed that series and KD missed that series and y’all still hand I’m just sitting here I’m like before we played and this what I said I said bro we can’t beat the Warriors now everybody might as well get traded because they’re limped they’re wounded and they don’t even have any rhythm you boys came out and swept us like do you understand what I’m saying they don’t even have no rhythm like they see us and turn up bro they really that dominant G it’s just a joke like it’s a joke man like and I I love the old4 team it’s just why you think they only won one message that’s my message I don’t know G I really don’t know a lot of folks a lot of folks rest in peace I hear folks say the reason why they won that one is because Co wanted to win finals MVP I believe that I believe but they they kind of swept them boys they did a gentleman sweep didn’t they they for1 them for sure I was at too and to be honest with you let’s be like credit man Cole won the MVP but Rip Hamilton was giving you 24 that might not have been a 32 but it still like they had matchups they were the better team and they pumped them and like Shaq was dominant and these are still Prime dude handling Shaq and this is what I’m saying it took out when it come down to and I gotta give credit to rasheid and them it’s like no you did that to them not us we took out Co and them and partied on these boys so that’s that’s my Shaq my fault G maybe I don’t know what the hell I’m talking about fam like don’t ca he stay whooping people on yeah no Shaq and I understand it’s a penal code 48 57 33 whatever you make up I’m just speculating I swear to God I don’t want no problems G I’m assuming if you lost they must have been all right you know what I mean yeah yeah they had a squad they had a squad I I saw it but she was talking about who would guard who like all right here’s how you do it you putting you putting uh Clay on Chanty right you putting Clay on Chanty and I and that’s a shutdown yeah uh chy was different though chy was CH I like clay not posting up chy yeah but I’m saying but I’m saying CH clay will be guarding Chanty man cool Chanty still being efficient let’s keep going yeah CH is efficient but clay was a really good Defender before the injury physically gifted he was 64 and he controlled every Pace yeah yeah yeah but you just you just looking you just looking to like guard your yard like okay let’s just let’s just let’s just make it tougher for him by putting a long athletic a longer taller body on him a bigger body that’s all I’m saying but during that time was like chy was blowing past you getting to the rim he was getting you under pick and rolls he’s beating you with his mind there’s certain people that like just Trump like the same way we got show respect and being like y’all were playing four or five different ways chy wasn’t going for that [ __ ] chy would gave biggest problems very Point blame you didn’t climb that mountain after being six or seven different teams and you worry about Klay Thompson no no no no no I’m saying Chanty would give us problems and not because of Klay can’t guard but he would know how to pick his matchups and like he would know who where the weakness would be and find it for himself but you know they’re a team oriented type of squad where the ball moved and so I would have rip I would have uh KD chasing around rip or myself I guard a rip in my my younger days and then I would put um Steph on taan and taan had a beautiful post game but how heavily involved would they have taan on the block that’s what I’m saying I but it was a close series taan play makes big game plays and steps up so like for sure for sure seven seven3 Shorty at one point yeah 100% 100% I know and I know they can go for they can go four out one in with rased and the way that he shoots the ball um but we we were we were really good at at at figuring out matchups and doubling and getting Steph out the double so we were really good at that that’s the one credit I got to get Draymond he knew how to put Steph in situations where he can get him out of any compromising situations defensively but Steph is a better Defender than people think and then um Draymond on Ben Wallace uh that would be interesting matchup and then uh uh rasheid would give us a lot of problems she would give us a lot of problems but that was the she she was interesting like the rashed from Portland we couldn’t do nothing with him but rash from Detroit you because like I said before nobody was really getting 20 points it was like 18 17 16 11 10 like those are like those are their averages and so like I’m saying like long if they were as long as we keep it if they can only get to 80 90 points it’s in our favor just because of our offensive you know explosion like they never seen anybody play like we played we never saw that that’s real but we saw teams play like them yeah that’s real because Demarcus and ad with Rondo I think was Drew there Drew was there too Drew was there Ian Moore uh miriti was actually on it that that team was low that team was dangerous M Detroit like team yeah there you have it they got three Hall of Famers or like Talent Hall of Famers Demarcus Drew for Rondo 80 right yeah there you go there you go she but you know I’m a big she fan like I love she so that’ be for interesting debate but they only won one they only won one for a reason I I wouldn’t know what to tell you about that reason um [ __ ] it was wild cuz who got rid of them a crazy braon got rid of them one year 25 points in a quarter straight yep we were talking about that when Brown took them boys to uh yeah how they gonna beat us and brown was by himself Mo Williams yeah Mo Williams Mo wasn’t there yet I don’t think oh Bo Booby Gibson Booby Gibson all yeah that’s wild big Z Jamario moon was he playing he probably was around Joe Smith yeah was cazer playing was that Nick vich married his sister um oh yeah yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes forgot his name but he had real game bro he had real he was a problem I used to use him on 2K used should use him on 2K that’s a bar they won 66 games in ‘ 08 09 season good God that badass team Brown was good good Brown was really good this isasha pavlovic pavich y yep PR could really get it JJ hickon could hoop J hson was a problem G JJ Hickson could hoop JJ Hickson was Mr double double he’s a problem man shoot to 18 feet he could clear out the whole side a so you he’s coming back with 12 12 rebounds man he’s Mr we don’t talk about enough uh Dante wuss is really good at basketball yes yes yes yes he was yes he was he’s ultimate combo guard when he’s locked in he can really play shoot you know what I mean handle it he could post up yeah he had a lot bro he had a lot in this game yeah tough you can switch guard everything shout out to my man the Ron Prophet who does not understand what I say when I say someone doesn’t have any flaws so they said I’m crazy when I say um Paul George doesn’t have any flaws yeah skill set wise of course not we say he’s the second most talented player in the NBA which is why when it comes down to it you have no flaws you had the perfect team and you never sniffed the the finals you know what I mean and that’s and that’s and like when people talking about Russ they’re talking about this and a third it’s like this what you say the second most sounded player in the NBA he has no flaws he already had a loaded team like do you understand what I’m saying like what was an Anthony Edwards went to the Western Conference Finals with a pretty loaded team in that sense you know what I’m saying and he had like killers on the wing with him like James Harden like how did you not figure that out like that’s it’s just it’s ridiculous I think we all agreed that T-Mac was maybe the most talented player in the league at one point yeah but tmac didn’t have James Harden on the team he didn’t have kawi Leonard or other like no I’m just talking about when when I say T-Mac was the most talented player in the league at one point like I’m talking about straight talent and even Kobe was like he’s me at 610 Kobe said people we now people are putting a proper respect on Kobe’s name when they say Kobe was like a normal person like he didn’t have a crazy vert like he wasn’t like this physical specimen and like kg said he’s like he turned to Volkswagen into a Bugatti just this like Kobe wasn’t like this Ultra gifted person like he just perfect Ed everything about basketball we talking about there skills and there’s Talent you’re right I’m just saying like when we sit here G it’s it’s like the other day my homie shout out to Dave Lighty he like Mike Conley put like an end of season post of like man great Year my man Dave Lighty putting his comments your time coming I responded that [ __ ] just finished his 17th try like damn what you want 20 like is this it’s year 17 like damn baby what else you want the moon to set like what the [ __ ] like that’s a good like no dog like I’m straight right now the game is changing we looking at the big dogs you know I mean bombers bombers bombers Championship you other [ __ ] get to the back of the bus and and like Kyrie is on his way from like back then this s a third shout out to Paul George and this what I’m saying I’m not knocking it’s just like bro our retir is up he the last of the 2010 still playing he had the best team personally if he’s if he’s a most talented player in the NBA dog what else did you want yeah the homies from LA and doing all this and yall sign stepping and angeling and it’s like no G we stepping out G how’ you lose to how’ you lose to the maps they’ll make a run out next year who the Clippers this will be the last year I’m going to 76ers bro oh I keep forgetting yeah bro that man it’s old man like I told you man somebody to mention that be a good idea and buddy just jumped that bandwagon like he normally do like you know what well I’m it’s going to be interesting July 1st cuz deals 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