Who Would Win Between the 2017 Warriors and the 2004 Pistons? | Richard Jefferson and Channing Frye

Who Would Win Between the 2017 Warriors and the 2004 Pistons? | Richard Jefferson and Channing Frye

there has been a recent discussion between Draymond Green and um Rasheed Wallace that has gone back in fourth that rich decided to chime in on um Draymond saying we would have smacked y’all y’all was scoring 72 points per game it would be the 2017 Warriors versus the 04 pistons and I’m going to kind of give you a little insight to remind you of who their starters were 2017 Warriors Steph clay KD Draymond and Zaza pulia okay the 04 Pistons Chanty rip ton Prince Ben Wallace Rasheed Wallace okay well you go into the comment section and Rich decides to say I played against both during their playoff runs Warriors win in a gentleman’s sweep oh oh janning um rip says to Richard yeah right and then says it would definitely be a very tough series but I’m going with us the Pistons in six games hash best five alive okay that’s that’s a little ridiculous but I I would you like to weigh in before Rich Dives in at a give your initial take I wasn’t there no four I went to League in’ 05 and I caught the 05 pistons and I think they are the most under talked about championship team almost ever and to put Rasheed Wallace was like a huge inspiration that nobody talks about as a shooting big so to say okay let’s take Rasheed Wallace in today’s game and go hey Sheed you can step out and shoot these and then on switches you’re gonna post up in that Dirk thing where he shoots above his head Rasheed was doing that before Dirk right so that’s just that Chanty was a problem was a problem and you talk about big guards he was a big guard that could shoot the three wasn’t afraid of the moment could control the pace of a game and definitely defended his ass off tan what to me would do a above average job of garden Klay Thompson or even if you want to put him on step for a moment or two would do a above average job on that now where I think the big win is now let’s say you say Steph let’s say you say Steph wins his matchup clay and taan they go even and even Draymond and Rasheed I’m taking Sheed no offense to Draymond especially offensively especially offensively offensively especially I think defensiv similar similar defensively similar big what if is Ben Wallace now if y’all think on any Court ever imaginable you’re gonna have ZaZa patulia and Ben Wallace on the same court you’re gonna have to go you’re gonna have to play Draymond at the five you’re gonna have to play Draymond uh Andre clay somebody who am I missing you got your years wrong player they’re not talking about like the 14 15 16 you’re missing Kevin Durant oh the 17 yeah well you said 17 team he was on he was on the 17 team he was on the 17 team was he I don’t remember oh I was that okay now never mind that discussion never mind I take I digress okay okay okay okay I was waiting for you to say the horse anyways yeah yeah this message is for Rip Hamilton and Rip Hamilton only there is no disrespect to either you guys are rip is fine man no rip is Rip’s Richard Hamilton I got nothing but respect for rip right we we battled against each other multiple years in the postseason it was always respectful this is my issue to your point chony and Steph right both of them have finals MVPs I think obviously Steph was a better regular season player the MVPs this stuff okay Hall of Famer versus Hall of Famer now we go to the next position right the next position is Klay Thompson versus taan Prince with all due respect love love taan on my team in Nike Camp you’re talking about an All-Star level calber all defensive player all defensive player but Klay Thompson is a first ballot Hall of Fame right done the next when you get to Kevin Durant at the three that’s where the problem comes that’s where the problem is for everyone right and Detroit they’re a giant killer they took down the Lakers they took down GP and Shaq and and Carl Malone was banged up but they took out that team so you can’t just say because you have stars but that team with their dep because you’re not talking you’re talking about Andre guadala you’re talking about Livingston that team was a matchup problem you’re right they would have gone five they would have gone small it would have been in my opinion it would have been Draymond versus Ben Wallace Kevin Durant versus Rasheed Wallace and I think Rasheed if you do a hybrid of the rules Rasheed would have been putting up nine threes a night rashed that would have that that have been what he did but ultimately I don’t think that they could have scored at the pace and I’m doing a hybrid of the rules I’m upping what Rasheed would shoot taan that just wasn’t his game taan wasn’t to score that was that was not his thing he was a high level defensive player get you between 10 and 15 points a night is a problem rip vers K is a lot of guys running around yeah I think and I think those guys could cancel each other out on the on the defensive end when you’re talking about rip chasing around clay Klay chasing around rip I respect for their defense 100% but that 17 team that was in my opinion the second best team that I ever saw minus the 01 Lakers with Shaq and they were will and they won three in a row the next best team I ever saw was the 17 team the best team I was ever on was 16 the most talented team I was ever on was our 17 team and I’ll say this with all respect to to to rip and them our 17 team would have beat you our 16 team would have beat you we were starting with LeBron James best player in the world we saw what he did to their team in their Prime when he wasn’t in his so LeBron was going to be the best player on the court then you had Kyrie and then we had the dep so respect to 04 Pistons great Champions under talked about team but against that 17 Warrior team it would have been gentleman sweti I digress yeah yeah that’s Rasheed says we would have beat the out of them because for the simple fact that they couldn’t match up with us at any position Steph Curry not a Defender he would have had to guard Rip Hamilton Draymond Green too little too little for who too little for who Kevin Durant is not too little to G bash Ben Wallace was a zero offensive threat zero offensive threat he was a finisher Hall of Famer but he was more like in the Rudy Gober D kimbe Matumbo like we are Elite defensively we will finish around the rim with all due respect to the first ball at Hall or not first bout but the Hall of Famer in Ben Wallace he wasn’t an offensive threat Draymond on him put Draymond on him put Kevin Durant on rashed I’m still giving that match up to now they would have posted his ass up but I’m still giving that match up to K Durant I’m still giving that match up but the post-ups you know what they do on post-ups they double team every postup and then they Swing Swing so now taan has to shoot 15 20 shots a game which is wasn’t what they did also Rip Hamilton running around back in our day we didn’t switch we showed and got back to the post but they’re switching all of that they’re switching all of that so now chant up top just like okay let me post up now you’ve waited okay let’s say the clock starts at 18 you post up you do the Rip Hamilton power two that takes another 3 four seconds now you’re at 14 right then you post up let’s say you post up uh Rasheed on Steph that’s an automatic double team right that’s two seconds now you’re at 108 Swing Swing now you’re at butter situation with taan in a corner now imagine doing that all game long with switch switch switch now we’re in rotations it’s not the same they’d have to run a whole different system which they weren’t as prevalent I think they’d be fine they’d win a game but it’s not the same as we’re talking about the hybrid of the rules understand who Rip Hamilton was rich Legend but he was a mid-range monster he didn’t shoot a lot of Threes he would be the equivalent to Jimmy Butler he would be the equivalent rozan the D rozan very hybrid like like he was just mid it was automatic 90% from the free throw line 90% from the mid-range he was Unstoppable from the mid-range but you have to outpace the Warriors from three so I just think that even in a three-point era I think Rip Hamilton was a mid-range guy he even then when he was going against Allen Iverson and krie KD and Ray Allen he didn’t shoot threes he heot and he shot a a semide decent percentage that just wasn’t his game so if we were Translating that you’re like well rip would have shot a lot of Threes it’s like rip H Rich Rip Hamilton had the opportunity to shoot a lot of Threes he wasn’t SC That season to your to your point he averaged 18 but he attempted less than one three a game he gave us 50 on one three he gave us 50 on one three that was his game that was his game and it’s not that he couldn’t shoot but it was like same with Demar de rozan Demar de rozan just doesn’t shoot threes that’s his game in an era where everyone does and that’s not a knock that’s just the way he played so even if he’s getting switched out getting to the mid-range on the other side they’re switching it out with Andre guala with Livingston with Klay Thompson with Kevin Durant so they’re switching all of that stuff and if Rasheed wants to post up fine those are twos versus the Warriors coming back with three of the greatest three-point Shooters we’ve ever seen it’s it’s it’s also on a screen and rooll they used to show and get back or drop an ice you can’t do none of that what are you doing you have to trap right if let’s say Rip Hamilton goes on KD that’s a that’s an automatic double so now you’re doubling KD for what to rotate to Ben Wallace to Steph or Ben Wallace or she at the three point line to clay or Steph or Andre guadala and then now we’re rotating even if you rotate to Andre or not Andre to to Draymond he’s driving and throwing lobs so that’s the problem let me say this and this will end the conversation the Detroit Pistons went to two finals lost in seven to to the Spurs and they won one Championship that 17 team was on their way to a dynasty they were about to win three in a row and then we lost in ACL and we lost in Achilles they w’t never recover that’s injuries are a part of it like the Warriors won their first one in in 15 with Kevin Kevin Love out and with Kyrie out that’s a part of it but they were about to win three championships so if you’re asking me the team that was about to win two championships maybe a third I’m gonna go with them over the team that won one championship and only went to the finals twice okay I’ll give you that very notable Point good fun conversation here I would love to nothing but respect guys take on this as well we got to stop saying that because obviously we do is respect claring I ain’t talking about she or rip or I would talk they know me well enough like I would talk if I was talking but this is just a respectful conversation about people who I feel are the best of our basketball generation I honestly would love if they watch film like if they got three of them together and they watched the 17 Warriors and said here’s how we would have guarded this man everybody that’s what I want to see look good with with a with a remote control in their hand bro every coach is like I understand but I want to see what their thinking is when they watch these actions how would they have played it because how we played 05 06 04 07 is nothing how it was played in 2011 like the eras changed so much but they did Rasheed was a better than like I would consider him like a jiren Jackson Jr a bamama of Bio type A guy that could move his feet as a big he could he could guard on the perimeter I don’t think you’d want him guarding steep but to say all game long yeah but I’m no not all game long I’m saying him chony taan and rip could switch across the board like Rasheed was that versatile of a big to switch across the board so defensively I think they would have been good they would have upped their three-point shots but there were just too much we’re talking about four first ballot Hall of Famers versus versus two I also this is like just so interesting when you talk about ARs and obviously we all know in the the three ball in the different Evolution there Channing but as you mentioned it chony put up the most threes in 2004 how many think he averaged a game attempts three six oh attempts five attempts four with Larry Brown with four five four he attempted 4.3 a game Steph Curry attempted in 2017 10 we know like the three I up their numbers I up the I up those three I up those guys like when I say Rasheed if Rasheed was playing today Rasheed could shoot left-and threes and Rasheed was one of the most skilled bigs out there like he would shoot eight to nine threes but I still don’t think even with that elevated three-point he would have outpaced Kevin Durant sorry yeah that just like taan Prince shot the ball more but even in his error he wasn’t a score is he gonna outpace Klay Thompson is he gonna is is chony Bops who was the leading three-point shooter in that like time period is he gonna outpace Steph Curry even if we up his numbers to six or eight he ain’t outpacing Steph the greatest we’ve ever seen versus the second best we’ve ever seen versus maybe the third best we’ve ever seen on the same Squad in their Prime out of here

Richard Jefferson and Channing Frye join the internet’s favorite debate: who would win, the 2004 Detroit Pistons with Chauncey Billups and Rasheed Wallace, or the 2017 Golden State Warriors with Steph Curry, Klay Thompson, Kevin Durant, and Draymond Green.

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