What lessons can the Cleveland Cavaliers learn from the Boston Celtics championship run?

What lessons can the Cleveland Cavaliers learn from the Boston Celtics championship run?

[Music] that was the ultimate Cleveland sports show animation but this is the ultimate Cavaliers show Mikey McNuggets Jason Lloyd as always in studio today it is Wednesday June 19th we have no full ucss show Jason because it is juneth which T recognizes as a holiday so we’re taping this on Tuesday the 18th but you are watching it on the 19 if anything breaks between 1:17 Tuesday and 11:00 a.m. Wednesday we will have hopped in and done a separate stream so bear with us but Jason we have couple big things I want to hit on today on this ultimate Cav show and we start with lessons the Cavs can take away from the Celtics who just won the NBA Championship they beat the Mavs 4-1 they beat the Cavs 4-1 they swept the Pacers they beat the heat 4-1 they are your Champions they went 80 and 2 or 81 and 20 or 80 and 21 this year statistics Bally the best team in basketball start to finish what can the Cavs take away from how Boston will reach the level they’re at and the way they play that maybe they could Implement to their own team for roster construction for next season and style of play well the biggest headline actually to me is patience perseverance pays off and you know go back to the Orlando series I was talking to someone with the Cavs before that series ended who said basically if if if we lose this series we’re running it back we’re keeping this thing together and we’re going to run it back and one of the teams that he pointed to was Boston that you know it’s it’s they’ve been together for seven years the Cavs haven’t been together this was only year or two if you count since Donovan arrived this is only their second year together it took Boston seven years with Jaylen and and Jason Tatum together to win a championship so they want to see this thing through and see what this group can do now obviously one of the big differences is Jason and J and Jaylen are six fo 66 and 68 whereas the Cavs are I don’t know if the match is really quite the same you can do anything in the NBA when your two best players are 66 and 68 you can really switch and and be creative with your lineups the Cavs really don’t have that luxury but I understand the sentiment of hey let’s see this thing through and the patience for Boston paid off because there was a lot of talk the last couple years of they don’t work well together you got to break them up you got to break them up you got to break them up and where are we this summer all the talk all summer long is you got to break it up you got to break it up you got to break it up Boston resisted that and it paid off for them this summer and we’ll see what the Cavs decide to do I don’t disagree but I want to push back on part of that because although it is Tatum and brown who are the two center pieces of the Celtics Championship their front office Brad Stevens and whoever took over for Danny a I think Stevens is actually the GM right yeah he is they were aggressive as hell this past off season trading away Marcus Smart for Chris DS porzingis Marcus Smart by the way was a fan favorite in Boston an absolute heart and soul of the team team kind of player for that Celtics organization and then they traded Rob Williams Malcolm Brockton and two first round picks to get Drew holiday now it is not every day that a Drew holiday caliber player gets put on a platter for you and he gets traded to a team in the Dame Lillard trade and then that whole consequence Milwaukee essentially gifted the Celtics a championship by trading for Dame Lillard but they were not afraid to shake up the ancillary pieces of their core their Foundation was always the two jayen the two Jays Tatum and brown but then they made some pretty aggressive decisions this offseason Jason because they looked at the roster and said we’re not good enough in the back court and we don’t have enough enough scoring from the five position and spacing and porzingis can unlock an entire new facet of our offense and they made those trades and I’m not quite sure if you’re looking at the Cavs and they’re quote unquote core 4 who the two pillars are you know one’s Mitchell the other one could be Darius it could be Evan I guess theoretically speaking it could be Jared Allen but I think he’s on a different pedestal than the other two and the Celtics made an ancillary trade to get better at the other positions I’m just curious if the Cavs look at this and on the one hand say yeah maybe patience is the right way to go Jason on the other hand they go well hell maybe we do have to be more aggressive to bring in more top end talent that fits better it’s not that Marcus Smart wasn’t a good player it’s not that Malcolm brog and Robert Williams weren’t good players they just didn’t fit as well as a cohesive unit as the Celtics did with porzingis and Drew holiday now I think the gap between Boston’s two best players and then the other guys as you’re talking about was wider than the Cavs Gap 100% agree and for that reason it’s hard to pull apart which one is the piece that we can move off of easily if you’re the Cavs obviously Donovan’s number one he’s at the top of that list but beyond that I’m not sure who you look at as number three and number four we can live without I think in my mind it’s Jarrett I think Jared is the most tradable of that group but I understand I understand the c i i don’t disagree with you because again when your two best pieces are 66 and 68 and they’re at the level that those guys are those two guys are at a different level than any of the Cavs guys in terms of a two-piece meal there so but I just I think the Cavs would have a hard time Discerning who is piece three and who is piece four that we could break off in my mind it’s Jared and beyond that I I I don’t think you need to break up the back court we’ve talked about it I’m on record I don’t know if you really need to break it up if you do want to move off a piece I think it’s more important to break up the front Court than the back court I 100% agree with you on that I I’ve come to the conclusion that unless you’re getting another All-Star player for Darius it doesn’t make sense to trade him for two quarters their two 50 c pieces for a dollar I just don’t think that makes sense but another thing I think the Cavs can learn from the Celtics and it goes back to the way they drafted and Danny a because he was drafting the time went against the grain taking Brown and Tatum as opposed to point guards when that was the Run of point guards marel folz was number one Lonzo ball was number number one Ben Simmons who’s a wing but is really a point guard like those were the guys that went first in the draft the Celtics went against the grain at three and went big Wing over small guard which was not the norm the way Boston plays basketball Jason is the perfect encapsulation of modern day basketball they have five and it’s four and a half when Horford’s in for for porzingis but for the sake of this let’s C porzingis the center because he was the starting center they have five shot creators on the court at all times five guys that with three seconds the shot clock if they have the ball you say okay at least we’re going to get a halfway decent look maybe 5 Seconds not three they have five guys who can create not just for themselves but for others they have five guys who can shoot threes which means the court is completely spaced at all times unless they decide to attack a postup opportunity and Boston despite having five three-point Shooters on the court Jason ran the second most post-ups in basketball this year behind only Denver and that’s because joic led the NBA in post-ups Philly would have surpassed him because in bead’s number but he missed a chunk of the season they posted up Tatum they posted up brown they posted up porzingis they posted up white they posted up Drew holiday who had the second most post-ups of anyone on their team they are so spaced it forces the defense to be spaced which opens up driving Lanes which their shot CRS can attack and then on defense they had five guys who they just switched they just said you know what we’re going to switch everything and I thought Joe Missoula who we have had our conversations I don’t think he’s a great head coach but I thought he did some really smart things in the playoffs they had five guys on the perent that could switch so you have five shot shot creators five Shooters and Five Guys who can swich switch on defense that is the epitome of modern day basketball I want to look at the Cavs roster and let’s just use their starting five from last year for the sake of this Jason how many shot creators do they have two two yeah how many shooters do they have do you count maxu a shooter three how many guys do you feel comfortable switching on defense on anything one one the jury rest its case yeah it’s I didn’t know about most UPS thing because I’m like I’m playing through again I’m going to go back to the CF Championship like the championship teams they space the floor to drive and kick not necessarily to PO I mean it was Kevin on the elbow at the start of games they they did it to drive and kick but if if uh Tye Irving was guarding Jason Tatum that’s a post up yeah well yeah it I’m just thinking back like it was always LeBron get to the Lane either go to the baset or kick to a shooter it wasn’t necessarily creating post-ups that’s just really interesting to me I just want going forward is that I guess there’s no right or wrong way of doing it it’s just different ways to to cut to I don’t know that’s just I never thought of that I’m I’m processing this in real time and well and it it it forces the defense to be strategic in their matchups as well and one of the things that Boston tried to or Dallas tried to do offensively to Boston was they didn’t want to switch a big onto the guards so they they tried to cross mismatch and then when you cross mismatch well then they’re going to take you to the post and they’re going to take your worst def of the post and they don’t run listen the amount of post-ups the Celtics run does not equate to the amount of post-ups Kim Abdul Jabar was running sure in the 70s it is the second most in today’s day and age of the NBA which is a very different number than it is in the past yeah but that was a mismatch they utilized on defense and from the Celtic standpoint when you could switch on everything instead of putting uh porzingis on Derek Lively they were putting Jaylen Brown on Dereck Lively or Jason Tatum so when the Dallas Mavericks tried to do pick and rolls with their big man who they killed Minnesota with and they killed OKC with with those lobs well now you’re switching to Lucas on Jason Tatum yeah and Jaylen Brown’s now Garden your big and it’s just it’s a complete it’s the perfect era a perfect epitome of modern day basketball and it made me go back to think to that C Series and we talked about on the show a little bit Jason how the Celtics just played with their food and the question was well hey did the Cavs give them the toughest series that anyone gave Boston this postseason and I think you can make an argument that the case is yes but nothing was really close and I think the 4-1 result and the two games later in that series don’t actually represent the gap between where Boston is and where the Cavs were in reality and I think we’re going to go into the summer you can spin it saying hey we were right there I don’t think Cleveland is right there it’s hard to say because well so much is going to change because you fire the coach you’re going to have a whole different ident I’m just saying as we go into this how close were they like were they just one move away or was there a significant Gap I think the Gap was bigger than some people want to give it Credence to because the final scores of that series look closer than the actual yeah I mean the Cs played their asses off in that in that series and they were down so many key pieces I do think that there’s a why I mean I I thought going into the year I thought it was Boston Milwaukee and then everybody else in the East kind of still think that way obviously if Milwaukee’s at full strength it could be a totally different outcome this year uh but yeah I do think that there’s a gap that the Cavs have to close and they they’re running out they they don’t have a lot unless obviously if you break off one of your pieces Jared Allen or whoever they don’t have a lot of draft picks to trade they do have the first round pick this year they don’t have a lot of avenues to close that Gap unless they break off one of their key pieces and last thing that we’ll move on to the next segment of this thing this show Jason is uh they lost 4-1 in the playoffs they lost the regular season series The One game they won in the regular season Boston was up 20 points in the fourth quarter then Dean Wade became White Jesus and single handed carried them back into the game I just think and it’s not even a knock in the Cavs I would say the same thing about the Pacers the Heat and the Mavericks when Boston wanted to play and they turned it on they were the best team in basketball this year and it wasn’t closing the most frustrating part about Boston in the grand scheme of the picture is they just decided and they and they had the switch we talking about hey can they flip the switch when it’s time they had their finger on the switch at all times during the season they flip it they go up 25 and they they take it off it’d be a 10-point game they flip it they win by 19 remember when you were a kid you just flipped yes that is that is a Celtic so the Cavs they have moves to make they will improve in for agency or via trade they’re going to hire a new head coach that hopefully unlock part of this offense and we’ll see how close they can get to the Celtics next year but I do think there are some tangible basketball philosophical outlooks and team building strategies that Cavs can take into this off season based off how Boston just put together a championship run we’ll see it’s a big offseason obviously it starts with Donovan and Evan extensions they can start talking now I think that that’s probably going on now I don’t think it’ll be very long before there’s an announcement on both and the one that’s curious to me is Isaac ooro and we’ll see how that plays out we’ll spend one minute on Isaac aoro we’re going to skip most of that and get to the wh ifs but would you pay more than 50 million for Isaac aoro if some team offers him four for 55 would you match yes I think I would um they’re going to be a tax team probably this summer they’ve known how long they were going to go to the tax the year that or or when Evans contract kicks in so I guess next year really um I I I need to I need to look at the numbers more I think you really want to avoid that second apron if at all possible and I don’t know where an aoro put contract puts them in relation to that in the Years moving forward but that’s right around the threshold uh and I think I think he’ll get that I do think that he’ll get that but if you can get something for him in a signning trade sort of how the Cavs landed SCU last year for Miami I think it depends on the team that wants them what you could get for him I don’t know but I think that’s right around the neighborhood of where that that’s right up against the threshold of where you’d feel comfortable I am not letting Isaac Coro walk for nothing I want to make that very clear if a team wants to give him a poison pill contract and offer 4 for 80 so be it so be it you can’t match it but I’m not letting him walk for anything but the big number and the big key is what you mentioned if it puts you close to the second uh tax apron Isaac and C can’t be the reason you went to the second tax apron like that cannot be the contract that separates you from being a first apron to a second apron team the consequences of being a SE apron team are here Isaac accor’s value on the court comparatively is here yeah and that’s not that’s not a knock on Isaac but like to reach that second apron you have to be a legitimate guy you can count on in the playoffs because the consequences are severe Isaac has been good in the last two regular seasons or good last regular season if the year before postseason non-existent I am not overpaying but I’m not letting him walk for nothing yeah he’s gotten better every year he has yep but he was a no show again in the in the postseason for the most part this year and that was really disappointing because I thought he really could have separated himself with a good showing and it just didn’t happen and let’s get a read in we have a a producer for this uh taped Edition C show and then we’ll get to our wh ifs all right guys I just want to hear remind everybody that summertime means baseball the NBA finals and more and you can bet on it all on FanDuel right now new customers get $200 in bonus Bets with any winning 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traumatic injury it’s not your normal broken wrist or you know it impacts everything when your mouth is wired shut for however many weeks it was and the amount of weight that he lost that’s going to have a a significant impact on you for a long time so I can’t call that the only reason why he struggled but I do think that it was a significant factor in his year yeah the injury to Darius and then the subsequent injury to Evan Mobley is what kind of unlocked that 4 out one in big lineup now Darius would have been part of that if it was just an Evan injury but I I think Darius shot the ball poorly and that’s not going to change he was not shooting the ball well before injury he shot it even worse after the injury but when the NBA started allowing more physical contact Jason after the All-Star break they stopped blowing the whistle as frequently Darius Garland just seemed like a man in no man’s land he was scared to drive and take contact and out of fear he would get hurt again his shot wasn’t falling so he was scared to rely on the jump shot too much I do think the jaw injury well not the only excuse for the reason he was not the caliber of player the Cavs had hoped that anticipated for this season I do think that was a major factor that kind of gets glossed over a little bit when we look at a season in totality on the flip side if he doesn’t get injured we don’t ever unlock point guard Donovan and for a monthlong stretch point guard Donovan was a top five player in basketball and it was the best stretch of basketball he had ever played his entire career I’m not 100% certain that’s sustainable from Donovan over the course of season because it it puts so much pressure on one guy to not only create for himself but create for others and the other guys around Donovan in that scenario aren’t particularly shot craters in their own right either which means it all falls on Donovan but we got a glimpse and I going tell you I am fascinated by that Glimpse Jason and I want to see more of it in spurts next season so on the one hand if darus doesn’t break his jaw he probably has a better season but we don’t get that little tiny teaser yeah of point guard Donovan which may end up being the best version of Donovan if they can find a running M at the two guard who can also be an off ball Creator and take some of the pressure off him the question is I I’m not sure you’re going to see that regardless I don’t think I don’t know I’m really curious to see how the summer plays out I know you know we we’ve talked about this before and you know my name is on the story we reported it that if Donovan resigns they could try and force Darius out none of that has happened yet Donovan hasn’t signed a contract CS are telling teams we’re not trading them we’re not breaking this up and we’ll see when push comes to shove if they stay true to that they don’t have to trade him they don’t they don’t just because they’re trying to push him out or force him out they don’t have to trade him so it’s going to be an interesting summer our second what if we were told all off that Evan Moy was in the lab working on his jump shot Jason so what if Evan Moby came into the 2023 2024 season with a reliable three-point jump shot what if there would not be any talk about having to break up Jared and Evan I think that they would fit together a lot better than that and there wouldn’t be a discussion I mean Jarrett was your second best player last year and yet there’s and I’m in that camp that believes that you have to that you probably should split them up in large part because that the Evans shot hasn’t come around the way that we thought that it would defensively he’s exactly what you thought he would be offensively it just hasn’t gotten there yet and had he progressed as a shooter it would open up so much more the offense hell maybe JB bicker staff’s still the coach of this team quite frankly I I think part of the reason I think Donovan was a big reason why JB’s no longer here and I also think the lack of development and Evans offensive game played a role in that as well so he could be and maybe Jared is still here next year that very well could be but all the talk around having to split these guys up would dissipate and JB could still be the coach of this team I agree with everything you said but indulge me for a second let me go on a a magical Fantasy Ride of the what if Evan Mobley had a jump shot if Evan Mobley came into last season as a 36 6% three-point shooter Jason not asking for 40 I’m not asking for dirk I’m not asking for Carl Anthony towns I’m saying just a reliable three-point shooter Evan Mo’s an All-Star Evan Mobley is right in the FR for an all NBA caliber player because the list of forwards who made the all-nba team this season there were a few spots up for grabs the combination of Evan Mo’s defense which we know currently is terrific with a full bag of offense weapons including a three-point shot which by the way if he’s making three-point shots it spreads the defense that means Darius Donovan Jarrett all have more room to operate it also means defenses can’t overload half the court when they’re running pick and rolls on one side of the court with Evan and Darius Endor Donovan and Jared and it makes everything look so much better MH more importantly than that Jason we were promised a unicorn and I’m not saying that Evan moble with a three-point shot would be in the Wy category I’m not saying Evan with a reliable three-point shot would even be top 15 player in the league right now but instead of being little Sebastian which is who Evan Mobley currently is a very good show Pony but not a unicorn he’d be a baby rhinoceros and you’d see the beginning of a hump on the top of his head starting to blossom into what the Cavs told us we were getting when they drafted Evan Moy third overall I’m not saying there’d be world peace I’m not saying it would end world hunger I’m not saying there’d be no water droughts I’m not saying bad people would all be admonished but I am saying if Evan we came into last season with a reliable three-point jump shot we wouldn’t be having 75% of the conversations we are having today about the future of the Cavs roster Evan Moy with a three-point jump shot makes the core four work Evan Mo with a three-point jump shot makes the Cavs a legitimate threat to beat the Boston Celtics to the Milwaukee Bucks in the Eastern Conference Evan mble with a three-point jump shot means JB bicker staff probably isn’t fired to your point and most importantly most importantly Evan M with a three-point jump shot is a guaranteed lock for the rookie Max which is going to get anyway but instead of us having the conversation of we know he’s going to get it but is he really worth it it’s the question of we’re only getting him for that what a steal that is the what if Evan Mo reliable a three-point jump shot entering the 2023 2024 season I love it all right number three Steve what if and I believe it’s the Donovan Mitchell one what if Donovan Mitchell Jason never heard his KN in February and I spel February wrong I think no I didn’t no you got that one right it looks wrong every time I see it but what if he never heard his knee on that free throw attempt against Chicago which then derailed the rest of the season you want me to start on this one yeah I don’t know go ahead I want to hear what you say go ahead the month of March was terrible for the Cleveland Cavaliers yeah that’s where they were riding High coming off that uh 19 And1 Street was it 19 and2 18-2 whatever it was coming off that hot streak they roll into the All-Star break Donovan tweaks his knee he misses a few games in March then Darius all his shortcomings this season get put under the magnifying glass because he can’t hide next to Donovan Mitchell who just erases so many other mistakes and so many other shortcomings offensively Evan Mobley also his offense development while it did see progress throughout the season it becomes less of a storyline because they’re winning games part of the reason these stories become such a big issue is they’re losing and when you win those stories are non-existent and non-talking points because guess what there’s not a lot to size in the moment you could go big picture in the offseason talk about it but in the moment when your team’s going 18 and two we don’t talk about the fact they played a crappy team almost every night during that 20 game stretch they played Washington three times they played San Antonio twice like they didn’t beat a gauntlet of great teams but if Donovan doesn’t get hurt that means he’s not hurt entering the postseason so he’s probably doesn’t get hurt against Boston which gives him a better chance if he’s not injured they probably don’t take Orlando to seven games that Ser is probably wrapped up a little earlier I still think he was not at 100% And His inability to continue that scoring Outburst on a night in Night Out basis changes and although at the end of the day they got enough from Donovan to beat teams in the playoffs or at least beat Orlando and compete with Boston I think a lot of the big questions that came to fruition about JB bicker staff and the complete uh makeup and correlation of this team don’t ever come to the surface because they’re 55 and whatever that would be Jason it’s hard to ask a lot of questions in the moment for a team that’s on a 7 win Pace I don’t know that anything changes if he doesn’t get hurt and I know that’s interesting I know that’s wild to say because you think your best player hurts his knee it derails everything they still lose to Boston if they’re fully healthy they still they’ll probably beat you’re right like they probably beat Orlando a little bit easier but I I don’t think they’re good enough to beat Boston they still lose to Boston if they beat Orlando in five and then lose to Boston the way they did is JB still a coach yeah no so still he’s still he’s still going to get fired I guess the sliding door theory if you really want to go down it is do they try and manipulate to get to Orlando if they have a fully healthy Donovan and I think the answer to that is yes I think it still plays out the same way but what if they they’re only in that spot because of how poorly they played in March and the record in March was I forget the exact number was not good yeah they were not good if Donovan’s healthy they’re probably not even in a situation to try and manipulate that because they probably had the two seed in the East they they finished what a game out of the two seed despite a piss poor March I’ll actually go the other way that where the injury could be a good thing now if you’re going to believe if you’re going to take everything Donovan says is true then this could be a good thing because we had the conversation going back to last season before the loss to the Knicks where I asked him would you ever punt a game just to send a message and he said no that he’s got to win every game he plays and that’s where you get into the give me the ball and get out of the way type of mentality that drove me crazy to watch and then I talked to him toward the end of this season that just ended and he said you know he was dragging his leg up and down the floor in March and saying I’m not helping anybody here you know he he kind of came around to what I was saying and said that he agreed and he had lessons to learn too and yeah he wants to put Darius in spots where Darius has to win the game for them and it it all sort of stem from the knee so from that aspect I would say maybe it was a good thing because it it forced him to trust guys a little bit more because he couldn’t do it and ultimately I don’t think the season ends any differently I still think it ends in a loss to Boston whether it’s the Conference Finals or the second round now if it’s the Conference Finals maybe JB saves his job in that realm uh but for the most part I know it sounds crazy to say I don’t know that really a whole lot changes I just looked at it if they get the two seed they play Philly in the first round which actually could have been a worse scenario for the Cavs so maybe it’s actually on the flip side but if they could avoided Boston till the third round because they had a better record who the hell knows that’s why big what if yeah then maybe it does save JB although I still think it comes down to a him vers Donovan him vers Donovan in the end and which one you going to pick and the coach always loses that and the player always wins we have one more what if then we’re going to wrap this up for a special edition of the ultimate Cavs show Jason what if the Cavs didn’t uh the Cavs did fire JB after the Nick series loss instead of letting him Coach the team again this season I was thinking about this one obviously you have a different coach um and it’s probably not James bgo or Steve or Kenny Atkinson I guess it could be it could have been the some of the same names but it’s probably one of the guys from the last hiring cycle although I don’t think it’s eme odoko because Houston jumped on that so early buen hter the biggest name they could have or Nick nurse I’m not a huge buen hter fan uh I’ve I’ve just I know he’s had some Su some success I know he won a championship with Milwaukee I’ve never been a fan of his maybe it’s Nick nurse maybe Nick nurse is the coach of this team today um I like him better than buen holer not sold on any I I think a lot of these guys are interchangeable frankly it is an interesting what if I know a lot of people wanted JB fired after last year I thought I thought he deserved another chance to run it back with a more comp complete roster um I I guess I would say Nick nurse is probably your head coach today although I don’t you don’t know if it makes him any better yeah I don’t if it makes him better and I don’t know if Nick would want this job I think he walked into a job that he felt was pretty good at the time yeah I’m going to take the Jason route on this and say I have no freaking clue because I it depends on the head coach they hired and if you want to go to Nick nurse route I do think Nick nurse is a better Coach than JB bicker staff he’s won a championship when JB is one and 10 on the road in the playoffs so like you know you’re you’re you’re picking different options but I still think the collective unit if we’re doing just this is a singular what if if you two non- shooting bigs you can’t win in today’s NBA so I I don’t think whoever the coach is makes that much of a difference and that’s why I’m so adamant about even if you bring in a bgo or a keny ainson I did the whole breakdown on burgo like I still think you have to adjust the roster to reach the goals and the heights you want to reach because I just think philosophically speaking the construction of this Cavs roster does not meet the modern version of what basketball is today which is spacing and play creation and shot creation and the Cavs just TR don’t have enough of that right now but would a Nick nurse and and we’re just using him as example would he have gotten more out of Evan this year offensively I would hope so I I think it’s impossible to get less than you got from jar from Evan just because he was an afterthought in everything and and I know it’s a small sample size I know the Boston series was no poor zingis I I get all that putting him at the high post and letting him facilitate is his best offensive skill right now and it was not at all whatsoever 0. 0% in the JB bicker staff offensive scheme until it had to be because other people went down and I think that’s the one thing if you want to finger point at what went wrong this year and hey what could you have done differently to save your job JB it’s try and use that as a different look offensively than just the pick and roll variations they had and we didn’t see it till it was too late so yeah they probably would have got more out of Evan Moy but I’m I can’t assume he was a jump shooter coming into this season because he wasn’t a jump shooter at all right and they tried to make that a priority and he didn’t so any final thoughts or you be good to wrap up we’re good that’s going to do it for the ultimate C show juneth Edition I guess June 19th we’ll see you tomorrow the ult Cleveland sports show peace [Music]

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