Evaluating a Wembanyama-Clingan pairing, Zach Edey’s potential & more! | The Lowe Post

Evaluating a Wembanyama-Clingan pairing, Zach Edey’s potential & more! | The Lowe Post

and now the low post welcome to the low post podcast it’s Monday morning it’s draft week that means the offseason is well underway the trade rumors are flying Fast and Furious Jonathan cavone how are you I’m doing great Zach how are you this is your hot time of the year I mean every year every time of the year is a hot time of the year but now we’re now we’re on M what what mock draft are we on you just published your latest mock draft which one is it seven billion a year and a year I was just looking through my mock from February of 2023 our very first 2024 mock I was just laughing at how much has changed since then uh bronny James penciled in at number 55 now pretty constantly and all the mocks from uh six billion to S billion I think he’s been he’s been right there but we have we have news this morning to start off with not directly draft related but interesting nonetheless the Cleveland Cavaliers have hired Kenny Atkinson former head coach of the Nets now an assistant with the Warriors as their next head coach over James bgo um it’s a big decision for the Cavs obviously after parting WS with JB bicker staff that relationship between roster and team had obviously run its course this is the first big checkbox for what is a massive Cleveland Cavaliers off season WJ has a line in his story he broke the news this morning about the next step is securing Donovan Mitchell on a Max Level extension that could happen anytime pretty much if he wants it to happen and then from there there will be future decisions on Darius Garland Evan Mo’s up for an extension how long do they want to keep this fourman core together of Garland Mitchell mbly and Allen and the Poetry of Kenny ainson reuniting with Jared Allen after their shared time together in Brooklyn after um after the decision to start Jared Allen over deand Jordan played a role in Kenny ainson dismissal during the Kevin Durant Kyrie Irving uh 1.0 iteration of the Brooklyn Nets they get to reunite same with Carris lebert um Jonathan I just think like look um Kenny’s a grinder and I think that he’s had to learn a little bit that um to to to sort of dial it back both for his own sake and for the sake of his players this is a long slog every NBA season waking up at 4 in the morning andit the bike and treating every possession like it’s life or death I think he’s learned particularly that’s this is like the Steve cerr Golden State effect we play music and practices everything is kind of chill here and he has more than deserved a second chance as an NBA head coach I thought Brooklyn made a mistake firing him when they did he did a great job building that team up from the ground up he’s a very creative thinker and a tinkerer on both ends of the floor with players of of many different he’s done good Player Development work with bigs with guards um he almost got he did get the Charlotte job and then Moon walked right out of there after getting a peak under the hood this is a good hire for the Cavs um obviously it’s a it’s a pivotal offseason for them they have number 20 in the draft and it’s a pick like they don’t own they don’t control their pick uh much at all for like the next six or seven years thanks to the Donovan Mitchell trade among other things it’s a pick that they’ve got a nail and you’ve got them picking Bob Carrington in the latest mock what’s your reaction to this and and like Cavs Cavs going forward this was a tough decision for them from what I understand it was really close between Kenny Atkinson and James Borgo they did hundreds of Intel calls on both guys they spoke to every person under the sun to get as much information as possible on both guys as well as on Mike Nori uh and so I mean I think Kenny ainson is a stud I think this is a great hire he’s one of the few NBA head coaches that I actually know decently well just because he was a longtime fixure at the Adidas Euro camp for years and so I even got a chance to sit next to him on one of those plane rides from back from Venice to New York City and just got to you know chop it up with him for like nine or 10 hours and I mean the guy is he’s an encyclopedia of basketball and he thinks the game at the very highest level uh he he really looks you know he loves young players he he he was you know really passionate about talking about all the young guys on his team at that Euro camp and so you know he lived in Brooklyn and Carol Gardens for a while you know so I would see him sometimes on the street I lived in Carol Gardens too and so um no I think this is an awesome hire and uh you know this is like New York um you know one uh one guy from Long Island one guy from Brooklyn um Kobe Alman you know reunited together here in Cleveland so it’s going to be a lot of fun I mean the Cavs are they’re an exciting team man they’ve got a lot of talent and so I think um you know if they keep this group together they add another good young piece in the draft I mean they’ve theyve they’ve drafted well they you know I think they need to go out probably you know round out their bench a little bit more with a little bit more shooting they’re gonna they’re going to be a force here I mean I hear I’m hearing what you’re hearing about Donovan Mitchell it’s not a done deal but I think that you know there’s some uh optimism that something will get done after the draft and so yeah I think the Cavs are you know they’re they’re in a really good shape here moving forward yeah there’s been um I wouldn’t say a rush but a lot of talk about breaking up these four guys in some form two small guards who want the ball two non- shooting bigs although Evan Moy has dabbled with shooting a few threes here and there and I and I get that I mean darus Garland did not have a good season now I think he’s a fantastic by low candidate given all the health issues he had and they were lasting like you break your jaw your mouth is wired shut you can’t eat real food you lose weight like that’s going to mess you up for a long time as you get back to playing NBA basketball where dudes are knocking you all over the floor um and the mo Allen thing offensively there’s no doubt that it can get clunky and yet I I I just it just feels and look I mean Rich Paul gave this long on the record interview with Chris Haynes like a month ago talking about like very openly about a bunch of different players in different situations that he represents as the CEO of Clutch and then Chris hayne’s asking him about Darius Garland and like well you know would you want him traded out of there if Donovan Mitchell extends and Rich transitioned from like completely open book to kind of agent speak of like well I just have to do what’s best for me and my client and that was a little red alert to me like okay okay um I I see I see it but I thought they had found a formula uh doing the best they can last last year of just Ultra staggering the guards and Ultra staggering The Bigs and that they had filled out the wing position well enough to actually do that with Levert and stru and whatever they could get for aoro from aoro rather who’s also up for a new contract this this summer and that’s an interesting interesting name as well did not play that well in the playoffs had a nice regular season the shooting didn’t last people didn’t guard him etc etc I thought that formula worked well enough to sort of live with the a akwardness for a little bit longer like there are massive benefits to pairing Moy and Allen together defensively they’re just monstrously effective when the two of them are on the floor let’s see kind of how you can develop Evan Mo’s perimeter game um Mitchell Garin yeah it’s like a one ball problem but they both can shoot they should complement each other over time a little bit better than they did last year I’m not in that much of a rush even though when Jared Allen missed games in the playoffs against the Celtics and Evan Mobley got to play center fulltime all the time no other non-shooter on the floor for the most part other than you know really none they staggered him with Tristan Thompson like oh he’s rolling to the rim with Force and and like getting these physical buckets like this looks pretty good I get it um I I I don’t feel any russan I and I don’t think the Cavs do either believe me they’ve heard all the noise about Darius Garland about how you know is he going to want to stay here is he going to want out of here and they’re like look he’s got four locked in years left on his deal like there’s not an option at the end of it it’s four years average of 40 million a pop he’s 24 years old he’s not 28 he’s not 29 we’re not in a rush to move that dude and this just might be a case of like fresh coach fresh Insight fresh system let’s just see how it all works and I’d be kind of excited about that if if if if Donovan Mitchell indeed signs an extension yeah I mean two points I mean one of the things that I heard was a big factor in the interview process was they wanted they wanted to hear fresh ideas for how this new coach would utilize you know the lineups that they have um you know putting guys in more five out type sets even with the bigs you know like maybe experimenting with these guys shooting more threes and you know just where like the creativity for how to utilize the group that they already have I know that that was that was a factor um and I I think teams are looking at the Cavs and they’re saying they’re just exp it’s an expensive group you know like if you’re gonna you know with Donovan Mitchell on the max Darius Garling making close to that uh Jared Allen and then Evan moble is extension coming up are they going to be able to afford the four of them with you know adding other pieces that you need to to add into and so I think that’s that’s where maybe some of those rumors come in with with Jared Allen and um who’s eligible for an extension starting July 6 himself Jared Allen exactly right so I think that’s what a lot of people are looking at but you know I mean there the Cavs are good and so they have decisions to make but like if they I don’t I just don’t see like Darius Garland being traded to the Lakers or the Spurs you know like unless somebody like really blows them away with an offer which I’ve been told don’t they don’t it’s not anticipated that that’s going to happen and I mean darus Garland is cool you know like with the current situation and all that I mean I think some of the friction with Mitchell may have been around you know the reporting indicates with JB bicker staff and all that so now you get a new coach in and um you know it’s just a new opportunity to try some some some different things with them offensively well as you say you you have all those four guys on whatever their next contracts going to be in the case of the two bigs and Mitchell if if if if if it’s going to be an expensive team and Bobby marks and Tim bontemps laid it out this morning this is the summer of the second apron the second apron is here put the first apron you know put the second apron o over the first apron you gota wear two aprons now while you’re cooking if you’re a lot of these teams two aprons for the summer barbecue and the restrictions for that are unbelievably honorous forget forget the fact that you’re going to pay a huge tax bill and then if you stay up there you’re going to pay a huge repeater tax bill you really can’t do anything to build your team like you’re restricted from doing so many different things aggregating salaries And Trades taking on a dollar a cent a penny more than you send out in a trade can’t do signing trades bringing a player in most importantly and and this is the one that kills you your pick gets frozen seven years out and then if you keep staying above the aprons it gets moved to last in the first round that’s the one that teams are like oh my god really that’s and so I think we’re going to see teams sort of deal with this reality in in many different ways big and small I know you’ve heard some of that too and it’s going to start sort of right away with I I think people have really caught on now the first Domino of this off season is Paul George with the Clippers and what exactly happens there does he resign is is does he opt in and ask for a trade does he just walk in to somebody’s cap space like Philadelphia the Clippers are one of the teams along with the Warriors that were sort of the poster child for why the second apron supposedly needs to exist to restrict these huge Market huge defending teams from just hoarding players hoarding Talent even though none of the teams that paid the tax other than Boston really did anything in the playoffs this year including the Clippers and the Warriors who didn’t even make it and now that there’s Bill Simmons talked about this this morning now there’s like is there a mega deal where like Paul George opts in and Chris Paul’s salary which is mostly non- guaranteed until June 28th when the Warriors have to make a decision on it they they guarantee it and they trade him somehow to the clipper and they get Paul George back and like what are the Warriors sending out in that deal and then your brain starts to explode it’s the summer of the second apron Mr gavone here we are yeah and this is why Bobby Marx is gonna be the most important guy on our draft show both the first night and the second night as I’m making calls around the NBA I keep hearing you know again and again all this talk about teams you know talking about trading out of their first round pick teams that have multiple second round picks like the Spurs have 35 and 48 the Pacers have 36 49 and 50 the me Memphis has 39 and 57 Portland has 34 and 40 those second round picks are going to be very attractive to teams like the Phoenix Suns for example who like you said they’re not they they just aren’t going to have many ways to add talent and you know that second round exception you confirmed it today that you could use that multiple times in the same summer and that’s really really important because you can save for people who don’t understand what that means the second round exception means you can sign the people you pick with second round picks to three or even fouryear contracts without using your mid-level exception which you can then Reserve all of that if you have it for actual NBA veteran free agency you didn’t used to be able to do that it was only two-year deals I believe was the the longest they could be without using the mid-level exception now you can sign those second rounders for a long time the Kings did this with um Kobe Jones last summer they signed him to a four-year deal at at and you can go up to above the rookie minimum you don’t have to and in fact part of the reason why you’re hearing some of this stuff about can we acquire multiple second round picks for a really late late late late first round pick is if you sign those deals at the rookie minimum or there are the cap Shenanigans where you can sort of get around not get around but it doesn’t count as much toward the apron as it would otherwise and it saves you a lot of money um that’s really interesting that you’re hearing that you’re hearing that the Suns have what 22 22 and so they’re thinking potentially if we can get three second round picks for that we have no picks you know so it’s like that’s the only way that they could add Talent potentially is you know also in in in deals but also I mean it it feels like The Proven guys in the second round are there’s going to be a a big run on them you know like just having those cheap second round picks who can contribute immediately like a trace Jackson Davis or an herb Jones or whatever that is more important than ever because they make nothing and you know it saves you a lot of money so it feels like a lot of these proven college guys are going to go higher than they normally would you know like a cam Spencer from Yukon Kevin mcculler um from Kansas uh Demona from UCLA these are the kind of guys that you could see them playing in an NBA game tomorrow and so having them on a four-year deal two or or three of those years being non-guaranteed is is hugely valuable I think if you want to look at a second apron free agent potential casualty I think the name that I’ve heard the most about in the last 48 hours is cavius Caldwell Pope who has a $15 million player option with the Nuggets that he’s going to almost certainly turn down in search of a bigger payday both years and dollars I’ve reached the point where I will be at least mildly just mildly surprised nothing nothing really surprises me but if you ask me right now you have to pick is canavis call Popa nugget next season I think I think I would lean no I think there’s going to be a market for him Denver is going to have a ceiling in terms of just what it’s able to commit they have an Aaron Gordon extension coming down the line they have Christian Brown sitting there on the bench and you could say well if he’s ready the look the shooting Decline and drop off is is Meaningful unless he makes a leap in terms of volume and accuracy and then the trickle down effect on the bench is Meaningful too but that’s a name I don’t know what you’ve heard now we’re on apron tell we’re going to get to the draft I promise but like that to name that if you’re looking for like what is the concrete implication of the second apron that’s an example if he changes teams and Denver who is one of the prohibitive favorites for the title next year as is just says you know what we can’t resign our our starting shooting guard even though we we have his bird rights and all that that’s a that’s a big moment I think in NBA CBA lore but how do you how do you replace that that’s the problem is that you know like that’s a huge loss for the Denver Nuggets and and I’m not just to be clear I’m not reporting it I’m not saying it’s happening I’m saying like if you just ask me we all hear the Philly stuff with with calwell Pope well there’s more teams than that even I would just say it’s like I’m I would Lean Like 6040 he’s he’s going to leave in free agency but maybe they just decide this is one of those like this is one of those like all right let’s gather together ownership Kies everybody we’re a championship level team are we really ready to do this or can we are we really ready to pay this enormous amount it’s a big it’s a big moment but what message are you sending to Nic yic and Jamal Murray and Aaron Gordon and all these guys and saying like we Lo we let Bruce Brown go a year ago now we’re losing kavus cwell Pope you know like are we moving further and further away from Championship contention you know so that’s what what I wonder if I’m if I’m Denver and like so you know they were trying to get ahead of this last year by drafting Hunter Tyson and and and jayen picket Str you know like and so they saw this coming but the problem is that these guys aren’t normally good enough to help you right away as rookies and so this is where why it’s so scouting is going to be more important than ever I think um you know Intel is going to be more important than ever you know going years out and and finding guys and you know M finding those steals in the second round and the late first round it’s it it’s never been more important in today’s NBA and I could very well be wrong about this they could end up paying him he could end up taking a discount to stay there because like you know there’s playing with Nicole yic and there’s not playing with Nicole yic it’s two different universes as Bruce Brown also found out um last summer uh all right let’s get to the draft I do want to do the Paul George thing but we’ll find a way to do it later um your latest mock draft with Jeremy Woo is out let’s just start right at the top the Atlanta Hawks you have them taking rash uh number one it’s fluid um you have uh tidbits in there about obviously you know the Hawks are in a weird spot and everyone around the league I mean I’ve had so many Executives from other teams ask me like what are you hearing about the Hawks we can’t get a we can’t get a good through line on like what the Hawks are doing and it’s because they have the number one pick and they also have this massive organizational decision hanging over their head about do we trade Trey young or does jante Murray or both wait a second we don’t control our picks we can’t really tank trading both seems like a bad IDE idea trading one while we like pretty much stayed afloat without Trey when he was injured last summer we’re pretty confident we could stay afloat with Trey and without Dante uh we got multiple tentacles out in different directions you mentioned New Orleans as a possible destination for one of the two guards if they do end up trading them I’m interested to hear more about that but it’s it’s right now it’s like very tentatively your guess would be rease yeah I mean one of the things that I do in calling around the NBA is you know I talk to pretty much every team and I say you know can you read me your mock draft at the top of the draft and teams that are drafting you know in the middle of the first and especially the end of the first or like later in the lottery like they don’t care you know like they’re saying this is you know so pretty much everybody has Reet at one uh so um you know could the Hawks surprise us they’re you know putting out smoke here that you know that Alex SAR is still firmly in consideration there even though they haven’t gotten him in for a work out so uh you know the Hawks could do anything and with and that goes in a lot of different ways you know like with Trey young with de Jon Murray with Clint capella with their whole roster but I think if if anything but Zachary re the shet happens at one I think that would be a big surprise around the NBA and I’ve been adamant from the moment the lottery ended that you know the Hawks can live The Best of Both Worlds they can take who they want at number one or turn it into multiple top 10 picks in this draft whatever do the goou young Direction and trade one of the guards for whatever pieces they want ideally a combination of players and picks and still be a decent team with a decent infrastructure and not have to go all in we gotta win now we gotta win now they could do kind of both at once why has SAR not worked out for them it just seems that he’s looking at Washington’s situation with you know their centers being rwn Holmes and and Marvin baggley the third uh and you know the four is like you know kuzma who can move to the three also and so I think he’s looking at that depth chart and saying you know there’s a lot of space for me there to not only play but to be a featured player for them offensively whereas the Hawks have Jaylen Johnson who a lot of people feel is like is really the only Untouchable piece on the Hawks roster and jayan Johnson is a ball handler he’s a playmaker like he’s a lot of different things for the Hawks he’s good and then they have Ono kongu signed to this big extension not big I mean it’s like I don’t know 60 million over three or something like that maybe over four was a good deal for I thought yeah that kicks in this summer and then they have to figure out what they do with Kint capella you know and so like I mean he’s obviously not a huge part of their future but um so they have three pretty good pieces there already so it’s like I think they’re looking at it and they’re saying you know where where is the opportunity better where would I rather be I don’t think it’s anything against the Hawks but um you know the Hawks have some stuff to figure out you know with Trey young and you know like de Jon Murray there’s there’s some stuff out there you know about the Hawks and so I think that you know probably it’s a little bit less drama in Washington and just the opportunity is cleaner for him um capella is a name I’ve heard a lot in the last week of other teams saying we think he’s available we think we could get him you know he’s in the last year of his contract so coming up so that makes sense uh aong is there it’s interesting in conjunction with the center and SAR being towards the top of the draft and another and kingan also being toward the top of the draft and kingan’s name is just all over the place in terms of where he might be able to go um interesting spot for the Hawks uh related to that you you and Jeremy report today rash had a private workout with the San Antonio Spurs over the weekend the Spurs hold number four and number eight and all those future Hawks picks and some other future picks and swaps from various places including Boston and and Dallas um that’s interesting the Spurs have have had some um well-known and some lesser known last minute second workouts private workouts I don’t know if this is their first or second look at re or whatever but you know they brought in Klay Thompson last minute for his second workout back back in that draft and it didn’t get out for Years first Zach because he arrived late I mean his season ended really late they went to the semi-finals the French league play and then he had to stay in Europe to go to this new NBA draft combine in Italy so he took him a while to arrive and he was just gassed too after playing 75 games this year and so he just you know he’s making the rounds late here because his whole pre-draft process started really late well tell me tell me okay so then you have that private workout for the Spurs you have some smoke and I emphasize smoke out there that they might they may be looking at kingan um they interviewed him yes and you spec culate I think very intelligently that that could be bait to try to get teams to trade up with them at number four pay a bounty to if the you really want Donovan King and this is where you got to get if he doesn’t go three because I mean the Houston’s chopping that pick too we’ll get we’ll get to Houston but the Spurs at with four and eight and the best young prospects since LeBron James are obviously quite an interesting team what do I need to know about their interest in rash um klling in all things Spurs well we’ve had ret number one on our board pretty much the entire season and most of the NBA does too from what I can gather so the fact that he would go number one or that the Spurs would have interest in him makes a ton of sense I mean every team in the NBA is looking for a 6 foot1 Wing who can defend multiple positions who you know makes made 39% of his threes coming off screen shooting off the balance who has a great feel for the game um who can play with other players who’s competitive who’s intelligent and he just turned 19 in April so it’s like if you want to get that guy the only way to get him is through the draft and so and it doesn’t probably hurt him that he spent a year with Victor WN banama and that they you know appear to have a good relationship so um that’s it makes a lot of sense why they’d be interested I mean they need shooting they need passing they need feel and so um Zachary RIT would be a great fit on their roster long long term so they have four and eight my gut and this is just my gut no reporting no Intel that that would not be enough to get to number one maybe it would be maybe I’m wrong what do you think the price to get to number one is for them I mean they also have the Hawks picks and like returning one of those picks just one not all of them could could be more valuable to the Hawks than anything else I’ve heard the opposite that maybe four and eight is too rich in their view um or what the Hawks would really want is to get that 2025 unprotected first round pick that they gave to the Spurs in the dejonte Murray trade back because that would open up so many possibilities for them then you could trade Trey young and dejonte Murray and Clint capella and DeAndre Hunter and start you know this Earnest rebuild which you know could be really exciting with the possibility of maybe positioning yourself for Cooper flag next year or Dylan Harper Ace Bailey or noan tror or VJ edcom the 2025 draft is loaded and people are very excited about that group what I’ve heard is that the Spurs aren’t particularly interested in that either and maybe if a trade does happen and happens with some weirdo protections where the Spurs are like okay we own your pick top eight protected you know if it’s 9 through 30 and these are just like you know this is speculation around the NBA I don’t know if any of this stuff gets done I mean the Spurs could just sit pretty too I mean like they’ve got Victor WN banama they’ve got 4 and eight they’ve got a bunch of future first not just from the Hawks but from other teams too uh so they could do a lot of different things and so do they really need to you know make this really aggressive push right now that’s I think what they’re weighing in their war room I could totally see both of these things being true at the same time that the Spurs would say well this is a this is a flat draft like four plus eight like how different is four than one by itself in this I’m just nego posturing their negotiating position like it’s much cheaper too money yeah is is is is we’re not giving that up for number one and I could see the Hawks saying wa like number one is like historically this Ultra valuable asset like we’re not giving that up for four and eight like if you seen Spurs what the average return on the number eight pick in the NBA draft is it ain’t it ain’t that great uh and and maybe that’s sort of where they are but you you have in there that you know um the Spurs are kind of projecting patience like there like there’s not some oh my God we’re afraid that wanyama is going to grow unhappy if we’re not like a 48- win team next year is or whatever win number you want to put on it is that a fair assessment of what you’ve heard yeah I think that they’re looking at the the this NBA environment that we’ve just discussed where a lot of teams are in salary cap hell and that there are going to be opportunities there for them to make trades to take on bad contracts and to get you know good players at the same time they have the picks they have some young talent that they can move around and so you know is there a rush I mean unless the a great deal presents itself they don’t have to make a panic move you know Victor W banama is he’s signaling all the wrong the right things saying you know happy anniversary Spurs fans it’s one year since you know since I was picked he’s obviously he’s not discontent now he’s an ultra competitive guy he wants to win and so like that’s not going to last forever clearly like you need to to improve at some stage but I think that they feel like they’re in a great spot here and they don’t need to make a rushed move just to try and maybe make the play in game in a year from now this is what I’ve heard from them all along like when this noise started about well wanyama is gonna want to win and win big really soon their reaction and my limited inter not limited my interactions with them was like I mean yeah obviously we we want to win but I don’t know where this whole like you know he’s going to try to force his way out of here implication is coming from like seems pretty pretty happy and we’re g to try to thread the needle of of winning without getting over exuberant and like maybe like I I’ve pitched for months like Darius Garland as a candidate for them that is a form of threading needle because of how young he is and how well he would compliment Victor wanyama I don’t expect them to go chasing like 28 to 32y Old veterans just to win a few more games and also to your point they could very well just pick number four and number eight and say we like these two guys we think they fit depending on who’s there and what’s happening on the clock for them and you know look I know the West is loaded I know they’re you know they’re relatively young around wanyama and Vel who had an outstanding year for them last year and they have to figure out the soan piece and Kell and Johnson they have a lot of question marks they’re young I just think Gwen Bama is so good that they are going to organically I don’t want to put a win total on it but if you told me that without any sort of big move like a big veteran free agency Splash or a big trade for like a Garland level player that they win 38 to 42 games next year I’d be like that’s totally reasonable like that guy is going to be a top 10 player very very soon and those players tend to win a fair number of NBA games and if you’re there in year two with all of this flexibility and all this opportunity and everyone in the league looking at you like man that looks like a fun place to play right now with that dude like I think you’re in great shape yeah and then it also took them a while to figure out how to optimize Victor they spent you know half of the Season playing Jeremy soan at point guard and you know and the Victor at the four you know with Zach Collins and like I think they figured out second half of the year just you know what do we have here I mean Victor is not this fragile guy that can’t play the five he’s unbelievable in pick and roll he’s unbelievable in the low post in the mid post he’s physical he’s competitive we don’t have to treat him like he’s made out of glass or something he’s actually proved to be pretty durable so I just you know having a full season of that having a better understanding of how to use him you know you put some more shooting around him a little bit of a better point guard you know like then Jeremy soan or Trey Jones and I think you’re Off to the Races you know and uh but I I do think that like you said there’s going to be players that want to be there with Victor it’s exciting there’s going to be a lot of attention in San on San Antonio I bet we’re going to broadcast a bunch of their games next year so yeah I mean the future is definely bright in San Antonio I mean of non-playoff games the Giannis Victor duel from late in the season was like one of the games of the year and I remember windhorse going on TV the next day being like this is the last time a game between these two is is not going to be on National Television I think you could say that for a lot of Victor a lot of Victor games um I mean look if they think reaj is like the guy like we think he’s a absolutely perfect fit next to wanyama then yeah just by all means try to bowl over the Hawks and get the number one pick and take him or whatever it takes but if you don’t I don’t know what they think and I don’t know we we’ll see let’s go to Houston at um at 3 uh because as you said the minute the lottery unfolded the way it did did with Brooklyn’s pick poor Brooklyn it just never ends for Brooklyn moving up from number nine to number three and going to Houston obviously via the Harden trade um it’s been no secret that IM Oka wants to win now they they pushed Golden State to the wire um for the last play in spot this year splurged on Fred Van vet and Dylan Brooks in free agency last year they’re absolutely loaded they have like six really good young players that I like a lot or players SL prospects that I like a lot I mean it’s unclear what can more is going to be and how amen Thompson fits with shenon given that he kind of broke out as a small ball five on offense at the end of the season but they got a lot of chips and so they get the third pick and every was like well you know get ready to trade that pick I mean that’s that’s that’s the trade chip to get another veteran in the door and I get it and I said at the time like I don’t know what they’re going to do but all this talk about aprons and and Capell you know I said at the time and I I i’ say it again now I I know the number three pick is not cheap as you mentioned like the salaries for the top five picks are high and they escalate the higher you get in the draft so it’s not like you know you’re getting like a $3 million little salary slot there it’s expensive but it’s cost controlled and it lasts for four years and it leads you into restricted free agency and as all of these dudes come up for new contracts and it’s coming around the corner for shenon and jayen green who broke out in the last couple months of last season tar E’s going to be there before you know it he’s recovering from an injury after missing a ton of time like having that optionality at the back of your roster is is going to be a big deal and I think about that a lot with Houston and I think about that a lot with Memphis who’s sitting at nine and clearly in win now mode when they get their whole team back next year they’re going to be trying to frankly like win the west or compete with the best teams at the top of the West um and you know that cost controlled asset at nine or wherever they end up in the first round if they stay in the first round I I think is a very handy thing for them to have and something that you got to think really hard about like do we really want to trade this for a $30 million veteran or $25 million veteran it’s got to be the exact right guy we know they’ve made hard runs at male Bridges before don’t I don’t I’ve not heard that Brooklyn has really changed its stance on not making mckel Bridges available in trade talks um and maybe the solution for Memphis is you have them as a candidate to trade up uh potentially for for Donovan kingan but these these two teams and starting with Houston at three I think face very interesting decisions where you could prioritize winning Financial stability whatever it is and I have no idea what Houston’s going to do you have Reed Shepard mocked there I think um is that right yeah I mean most of the the league thinks that if the Houston keeps their pick it’s Reed Shepard if they trade the pick somebody’s moving up for Donovan kingan uh so I mean honestly there’s just the question is what are those options going to be like who wants to trade up and what can they get I mean like we talked you know Bridges you talked about you know you hear names like Jimmy Butler Brandon Ingram is there a smaller trade like uh Memphis you know packaging the ninth pick and Marcus Smart who udoka has you know quite a bit of history with from the Boston Celtics to move up to three um you know can Marcus Martin and Dylan Brooks how much does that make sense some teams are asking but there’s I mean just what are the what are the options going to be when they’re actually on the clock that’s going to be fascinating for me I know the Nets are saying they’re not trading Bridges but uh you know just the way that his correct me if I’m wrong but the way that his contract is structured his number is too low for him to get a Max extension or or or a high enough extension um what is his extension number if you know when it comes to that in what is it a year or two from now yeah he’s I don’t believe extension eligible yet I’m bringing up his contract data now uh he might be extension eligible actually uh sportrak has him as extension eligible okay he 23.3 now 24.9 and then he’s an unrestricted free agent I believe without consulting with Bobby marks and doing this in real time that the number would be 140% of his uh current salary which as you said would not be high enough I don’t think to get him what he would want so so that that’s what if I’m the Nets I’m wondering okay when do do we need to move on from maau Bridges here if he’s not going to sign an extension with us if we’re not going to be able to retain him can we get our picks back and because like as we know the the Houston Rockets own the Brooklyn Nets picks especially for next year if you are thinking at all about you know this retooling or rebuilding or whatever you want to kill it call it those picks are super valuable and so like is there a trade there with one or multiple of those picks and one the younger guys maybe not jayen green but like an amen Thompson or a cam Whitmore like that’s got to be super attractive you know I would think for the Brooklyn Nets then so what is the Rocket’s appetite for making that offer and then what do the the Nets say if that offer is made when they’re on the clock I mean I’m sure that I mean we all hear that they’re saying no no no we’re not training Bridges but there’s a price for everything in the NBA right yeah look I mean the next future is what it is it it doesn’t look great they’re kind of stuck in the middle waiting for this theoretical second star to put next to male Bridges and if you can regain some control of your picks now there’s their pick next season which is as you mentioned the gold chip draft you know of 2025 headline by Cooper flag and Ace Bailey and all those other players it there’s a bunch of swaps on it Oklahoma City’s involved in the swap Houston’s involved in the swap but if you can get control of at least like some of your picks that’s a big deal for the Nets and you know I don’t I don’t I don’t know what I don’t know what they’re going to do but I know that that’s an interesting pivot point for both Houston and the draft and I’m not a college basketball guy I’m far from an expert I think Reed Shepard is a very very sounds like and from the video I’ve watched looks like a very interesting Prospect because the shooting is just crazy and he’s undersized and he’s going to get targeted defensively but he has these like steel and block stats and this compete Factor where you’re like what what is this guy he’s how much how much more ball handling can he do than he was able to show at Kentucky um he’s a very interesting guy and I can see why teams are very high on him or as as like a big swing upside kind of pick it’s a similar conversation to what we said with Ros every NBA team is looking for shooting feel guys who can play with other good players and competitiveness and youth on top of that there’s some real upside there he showed some really intriguing flashes last year out of pick and roll just dissecting defenses making smart reads it wasn’t at a very prolific rate his usage rate was only about 18% which you know it is fairly low in this class but Reed sheper with the shooting and and and the IQ and and the the way that he competes and that’s an easy guy to fit into any roster in today’s NBA and I said this last week about wanyama and I didn’t say it in conjunction with Reed Shepard but it applies to Reed Shepard and the Spurs you know they don’t pick third but they have four and eight there’s a lot of variability here um I know small guards get targeted in the postseason all the time sometimes it works sometimes it doesn’t we had a bunch of small guards do pretty well in the playoffs this year and then you come across a team like the Celtics and it’s like oh God it’s hell to play against these guys wanyama is just the ultimate eraser he’s he he is everywhere all the time and he can protect those kinds of players he projects to be able to protect those kinds of players as a roaming not just back lineer just a roaming everywhere guy like probably almost no one that has before him in the NBA and that gives I think the Spurs the leeway to take a shot or two on a guy like this and say look if he just if he ends up being a defensive liability we can make it work and the shooting that he can bring us around wanyama is worth it this is just me spitballing ideas whether what pick a pick a small guard who you worry about being a shooting of defensive liability but can really shoot it if I’m the Spurs I’m much more comfortable just dealing with whatever limitations that player has because as long as I have W Bama health like that guy’s just everywhere and puts out every fire and he’s already one of the five best defensive players in the NBA and he just started playing in the NBA yeah I mean I wrote an article uh about this topic exactly you know drafting with Victor win banama in mind who are the best guys in this draft to for the Spurs to Target and Reed Shepard was number one on my board and it’s not by accident I’m talking to teams around the NBA they all think like Reed Shepard is the perfect guy to have with Victor question is will he be there with the fourth pick and if not you know what’s the alternative uh I like Rob Dillingham for them a lot of people disagree with me Rob dingham has the most star power of any player in this draft he’s an unbelievable ball handler he’s an outstanding off the dribble shooter he made 45% of his threes he’s lightning in the bottle he gets anywhere he wants on the court uh you know he’s he’s just full of of of energy and excitement and so I I love Rob Dillingham as a potential partner with Victor wanyama uh that’ll probably be more of the eighth pick we have Stefan Castle getting picked fourth here I just worry about the shooting you know I’ve went to a lot of Yukon games this year I always got there two hours early I watch them go through these long warm-up routines and I’m filming there and saying man I’m gonna get three or four you know consecutive mies from RE from from Stefan Castle I’m GNA post it on Instagram and dude it would take me 30 or 40 minutes to get even two consecutive mies I’m like man this is alarming you know so it’s it’s like you know the Spurs were like a fraction of a percentage point away from being the worst shooting team in the NBA last year you add another guy like that on top of what they already have and you know like we’re talking about optimizing vikor Wim banama this guy is an unbelievable shot Creator he’s an offensive Hub he’s a playmaker but if he’s gonna every time he puts the ball down on the ground the entire defense collapses on him that’s a real problem you know so that’s what I’m thinking if I’m the San Antonio Spurs while being patient and all that you know like I do need to add some shooting there um couple rapid fire things you guys have Zack Edy mocked at 15 to the Heat and Jeremy po Jeremy woo posted an article yesterday kinging and Edy and sort of the place of the center in the modern NBA that I thought was very interesting what is Zach Ed gonna be H how is he he’s got to be less polarizing this season than he was last last season uh after just another crazy good season at Purdue and looking a little more spri defensively the heat is an interesting place to put him with bam there um at Center and Bam can obviously play the four if need be um and kingan you know kind of Rose into a big minutes role this past season at Yukon um like how much load can these guys handle in the NBA how how much of a minute’s load can they handle given their respective limitations and who has a better shot I guess at sort of developing Beyond those current limitations me one of the most remarkable things about Zach Edy is the fact that he literally never came off the floor for Purdue he would play 40 minutes consecutively and it didn’t even look like he was breaking a sweat his level of conditioning for a 75 guy is absolutely unreal so where is he going to get picked you hear him as high as Memphis at nine you know like if they are unable to to move up from 9 to three um you know the second best center in this draft is Zach Edy this guy is ready to play right now the Memphis is in their own kind of salary cap hell here you know with you know some pretty big contracts they need to get some cost controlled deals and Zack Edy I mean there’s not a more ready guy to play right now he’s back-to-back National Champion National player of the year uh you know he brings an unbelievable level of physicality and intensity on possession he’s going to be an outstanding offensive rebound right off the bat he’s going to get you into the bonus you know like that because he just draws he’s a magnet for fouls he’s probably the best screener in this draft uh you know what is he going to be in the NBA I mean I’ve made the comp all year imagine if if if Jonas valunas was seven foot5 that’s that’s what I think Zack Ed is gonna be and Jonas valunas is a is an outstanding NBA player and has been for a very long time he’s started for what has it been 10 years now you know like and he’s so durable and he’s such a rock and okay now he’s probably on the decline somewhat what is he 33 years old or 32 or something like that but um you know if you could get 10 years of that out of Zach Edy with everything that he brings you know operating at a pick and roll sucking in the defense every time he screens and rolls to the rim you have to account for him because like you just throw the ball anywhere in the general vicinity of the basket he’s going to go catch it he’s got incredible hands he’s an amazing finisher and he’s just gonna put a hurting on people every time he’s on the floor people are gonna hate playing against him he’s a pain in the ass because like he doesn’t have an off switch all he all he wants to do is just smash you the entire game and he’ve talked he’s talked about this in interviews he says like this is just what I like doing guys I just like hitting people you know like some people like playing golf other people like collecting stamps I like hitting people okay I mean you know when you put it that way uh that that’s interesting you know Memphis just thinking out loud I mean nine I think would be a reach for Zach just based on where he is in mocks but this is the this is the draft for you know like we some crazy outside the mock draft picks much you like the guy you go get him you know they do have you know obviously the questions are C can this guy survive defensively in a spread pick and roll League where there’s just shooting everywhere right and you know can and we’ve seen more teams get creative of where they put their centers if there’s one not even non-shooter just like Soo offensive player perimeter player can can we invert the matchup so that our Center guard’s that guy and just kind of chills in a oneman Zone and you do have jiren Jackson Jr there is like he did not have a a great season by his standards last year he kind of fell off the all defense map he is an one of the best erasers in the league as sort of just a Rover shot top blocker he can guard fives if need be he can switch on fives and switch onto guards if need be that’s an interesting I’m excited to see I mean look I’m not a college basketball guy I watched the high-profile Final Four game so I’ve seen Ed here and there I saw him I saw the 116 game the year before I’m excited to see what he can do in the NBA because you know two years ago the Skeptics were like well he’s just bulon 2.0 he’s just like yeah you know the Spurs bring in or the Rockets bring in bulon and he Flash all these post moves and he looks great and he’s gigantic and then he just gets played off the floor and now you don’t hear that anymore after another year of seasoning at Purdue and I’m just I’m really interested to see what he can do at that age you know pretty extensively you know I was around him even when he was 24 25 I took a bus with mega bmax from Belgrade to like the mountains of Montenegro like sitting next to boban watching him getting C cursed out by Serbian fans and have an awful game he very different than boban marianovich he’s just a way I love boban but like Zack edidi is in a different Stratosphere at the same age than ban marianovich well look I can tell you this when you say Serbian fans cursing you out Balkan bkan curse words and curse expressions are nothing like shook shook they’re nothing like what we do in America our little curse words F this m they’re throwing at you I mean that’re I’m just forget that I’m just saying what they say literally you don’t know when you walk by a cafe in Serbia or Croatia or wherever and you hear a bunch of old guys yelling at each other you don’t even want to know what they’re saying because it involves mothers and dogs and other stuff that you don’t even want to know um uh all right you wrote draft sleepers a couple days ago I want you to tell me talk about two guys who I read that article I’m like I’m I’m just so I look I know they’re sleepers so by definition they are unlikely to hit in the NBA but you got me very excited about two guys just they seem like my kind of players are you ready I’m ready sell the world number one Juan Nunes I just think there’s only so many players in the world who can make every pass out of pick and roll who are six foot five who are basketball Geniuses he the way he handles the ball the way he makes reads people are overthinking this guy and so you look at the through lines you know Ricky Rubio of halberton of TJ McConnell these guys are just smarter than everybody else they see the play one second faster than anybody else in the court and yeah I get it he’s got his limitations his shot is funky he’s kind of got this body language at times when things don’t go well I mean doesn’t always play as hard as you want on defense but the guy is an unbelievable basketball player and he’s just turned 20 years old and he was a starting point guard of the Spanish National team at the fee World Cup last summer and he might start at the Olympics this summer I mean this just doesn’t happen at this age playing for Spain the defending European Champions and so I’ll take a flyer on Juan Nunes in the 30s if if I’m an NBA team how how bad’s the shot it’s not great he shot 32% he makes pullup sometimes you know like and he he only shot about 65% from the line this year it’s kind of a weak weird like Sid Spin and you know he’s a lefty so his shot is always going to be on Orthodox but yeah no I mean it’s it’s not great I’ll tell you that all right number two Kevin mccullers’s Jr yeah he’s polarizing man I mean this was the best player in college basketball for the first two and a half months of the season and then he stop right there stop right there just end it right there I’m so excited just I don’t want to hear anymore now I know he got injured but that that’s something yeah I mean he was going to be a first team allamerican if the season ended January 20th uh and then you just look at the way that Kansas’s offense fell off as soon as he got hurt they’re 10 points per 100 worth um you know people just people have questions about the shooting he you know he shot like 37% for three those first two and a half months of the year he had NE he was a five-year college player he had never done that at any point before that but he’s always been a good free throw shooter he’s always been an awesome Defender he’s a very good passer you know we’re talking about the second round the you know like the need to get these cost controlled productive players somebody’s going to take Kevin mcll in the 30s I believe and they’re going to be really happy with him the problem is that he’s been hurt you know so he’s walking around on crutches at the NBA Combine it’s a it’s it’s not what you want to see is like oh my God I can’t wait to draft the guy on crutches you know so uh he’s not gonna play Summer League which is a bummer but you know are we trying to win the NBA championship or are we trying to win the summer league championship and so you know he’s a polarizing guy off the court a little bit too and uh but um I’m a Kevin mcculler guy I think you take the player who is a he’s a very good basketball player and you figure out the rest later I mean the health and all that you guys spend you know tens of millions of dollars on on keeping players healthy here’s another one you know for your infirmary all right let’s let’s wrap with the Paul George situation which I I did this with Bobby last week so we don’t have to go crazy with it I I just think it’s the most important thing going on in the NBA right now this this certainty about what he’s going to do why there’s been this stalemate with the Clippers and where he might go particularly if he opts in Chris Paul Circa 2018 style and uh or 2019 sty whenever he went from Clippers to Rockets I think 2019 um and opts in and opens up the trade field Beyond teams that just have cap room but still including teams like the Sixers that just have cap room um first of all I would caution everybody the last time Paul George changed teams dramatically it came absolutely out of almost nowhere and so even people even people that should theoretically have been in positions to know that that might have been in play where like what he’s going where um to the Clippers so I would caution everybody that if there’s something a foot we may not know about it until it actually happen happens um number two the opin thing is optin in trade is a is a tricky balance as I talked about with Bobby because you’re he’s gonna want to go to a team and the only kind of teams that are what going to want him are teams that are ready to win the title now the Clippers also would theoretically like to build a team that is at least able to maybe compete at a high level now and so win now win now trades are very tough to make and you throw in the optin you throw in the second apron limitations you throw in all of that you start to run into a whole lot of problems uh Bobby and I mentioned the Knicks you know they have Randall salary and a whole bunch of draft picks and bogdanovich is non- guaranteed salary that’s interesting I tried to make up fake trades with the Wolves the Pelicans the cap the Kings who I think are really interesting I talked about the king’s reluctance to take on another a third gigantic salary you have the King’s number 13 pi pick as as um the potentially in play in this draft correct yeah seems to be available and you also have them taking Ron Holland who seems very exciting yeah I mean like at that point in the draft you’re just trying to get close you know like and so if you’re the king like let’s just take a swing on a guy who is onepoint ranked the number one player in in in the class and like see what we what we get I mean so if he he could go to Chicago at 11 maybe Miami at 15 so we’re honestly just trying to get in the ballpark at that in that part of the draft I just think the kings are really interesting because it’s hard to have your cake you need it to in the NBA they just brought back Malik monk I did that with Bobby Les last uh week um they want to get better they have an urgency from the owners to get better I think the front office shares in that urgency perhaps not to the same degree they have Kevin herder’s contract and Harrison barnes’s contract just sitting there as ready-made salary matching plus they can trade a bunch of extra picks um aside from the one they own the H or the Hawks and yet they don’t NE they’re not that they don’t want but they are worried about the constraints of having three Mega salaries with sabonis and fox and player X well okay then you just have to build a team another way which monks monks midsize contract fits into that um and now uh the Warriors theoretical Paul George Buzz has has Crescendo to the point where Bill Simmons and Ryan gillo talked about it for 15 minutes on Bill’s podcast today and you know I get it and I think the Warriors are prepared to look at pretty much everything that doesn’t involve Curry at this point and maybe green because he’s so Tethered to Curry and is such a sacred part of that organization and also uh is a tricky fit elsewhere um I just don’t know they they have some interesting young players headlined by Jonathan kaminga and they can trade two future first round picks and a piece the better piece of the 2030 I think picked that they owe the Wizards in the original Chris Paul trade and they have this Chris Paul contract that has a June 28th deadline to guarantee it’s it’s that’s not that’s they’re going to get themselves into interesting conversations what conversations they can get into without including kaminga are going to be the pivot point for me because I just don’t see any appetite there for them to trade kaminga unless it’s for like a a player that is even a strat spere above Paul George because kaminga has been a Joe Lup favorite he’s still just scratching the surface of what he can do and he has all star potential I mean that’s that’s clear already and so I don’t know quite what they can do and also like there’s just not that many teams that are dying to have um Andrew wiggin’s salary if that’s what you have to use as as a salary ballast and and all of that and then they have the Klay Thompson question hovering over all this and Chris Paul um big decision June 28th what do they do with that contract so I just don’t know what the pathway is there that doesn’t involve kaminga obviously they’ve got psky and Moody and Jackson Davis like they’ve done nicely at the back end of the draft I just think that Paul George piece I think everything particularly if Mitchell ends up signing an extension in Cleveland and we don’t know that that’s the case I think the whole offseason pivots from Paul George’s decision I don’t want to be anti-climatic but you know everything that I’m hearing as I’m making the rounds calling you know teams calling agents trying to get Intel on what’s going to happen in the draft all the same people that represent the top prospects in the draft also have all the best free agents I hear that it’s it’s tough out there like it’s a tough market and so I think that we’re going to be surprised by team’s ability to get deals done at maybe a more conservative number than people were expecting it’s not going to be this crazy Bonanza where Timothy mozgov and lual Deng are getting you know max deals out of nowhere I think people are going to be really really conservative with you know with the second apron in mind uh and so in that with in that vein my prediction I have zero into I have no idea what’s gonna happen is that Paul George stays in La resigns there I mean it’s a fair offer they’ve made him and so just seems so complicated trying to navigate him somewhere else and then like what did the Clippers get back and I just I don’t know you know I mean unless it’s Philly and then you hear are they interested are they not you know I I texted you this question you know is there a possibility that Philly maybe hangs on to some of their cap space because they want to be The Dumping Ground where you know for for getting future assets there’s going to be a bunch of teams at next year’s trade deadline who who are need to get off of salaries and where are they going to dump those Sal where are they going to dump those contracts obviously it’s not what fans want to hear but like if they don’t get you know these most attractive guys or whatever you know like you know we haven’t even talked about Brandon Ingram that’s a kind of a major storyline that’s looming here on draft night to what is his Market you know what is Trey Young’s Market um and just it’s gonna be really interesting man it’s going to be a fascinating offseason well the and I think Detroit is gonna act as an offseason Dumping Ground in that style uh with traan langon just taking over there that’s the Intel going around the league anyways that they’re going to be that in the season give us your bad contracts and picks that come with them or young players that come with them the issue with Philly is embiid like embiid’s got a win today gota win tomorrow he’s got recurring knee issues at this point he’s always dealing with some ailment and he’s just a big dude who’s had a lot of injuries and so draft Zach Edy you know and uh play them together yeah but they so they’re gonna have the the problem is that they ran him into the ground last year you know like they needed him so bad bad to to get you know like a favorable spot in the playoffs they’re like he just you know he was hurt by the time they got there and so that’s something that they’re gonna have to figure out at the same time yeah and they’re gonna that’s why I’m skeptical you’re right like if you strike out on Paul George if you strike out on ogan and Obi what’s Plan D andf I don’t know what that is I agree with you in theory that the most likely Paul George scenario is still that he goes back to the clippers but I’m prepared for anything at this point you’ve got to go prepare for the actual NBA draft which is two days away and now it’s a two-day event uh which is interesting uh and would beting to see how that ages without this year we have bronnie James obviously to carry interest into day we have the second round and we have the the apron to carry us that’s what’s gonna carry us Bobby Marx man look if Bobby marks isn’t wearing an apron I wore an Aon at the beginning of the season with Matt iso’s face on it if Bobby marks is not in barlay Center or Bristol or ever he’s going to be wearing an apron at some point from Wednesday to Thursday I’m going to be disappointed Jonathan gavon no one does it better than you go do your actual job thanks for Lending us some of your time thank you thank you Zach

Zach Lowe and Jonathan Givony discuss the Cleveland Cavaliers hiring Kenny Atkinson to be their new head coach, what that means for Darius Garland and the future of the franchise. Then, the duo preview the top of the NBA Draft and what trades we may expect to see on draft night, break down some of their favorite sleeper prospects, and look at the potential landing spots for Paul George.

0:00 Welcome to The Lowe Post Podcast!
0:30 Cavs hire Kenny Atkinson as the new head coach
10:55 How the second apron effects this NBA offseason
19:49 What will the Hawks do with the No. 1 overall pick?
24:14 How do the Spurs build around Victor Wembanyama?
34:20 Do the Houston Rockets take a swing?
40:31 Evaluating Reed Sheppard’s upside
45:04 Will Zach Edey work in the NBA?
51:13 Jonathan Givony’s sleeper picks
54:44 Paul George buzz

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