Portland Trail Blazers Add Two Assistant Coaches, Nate Bjorkgren and Chris Fleming

Portland Trail Blazers Add Two Assistant Coaches, Nate Bjorkgren and Chris Fleming

in today’s show the Blazers hire two new assistants as Chanty bips coaching staff is almost full again who are these dudes and why does it matter welcome to lockdown Blazers let’s get into [Music] it you are locked on Trailblazers your daily Portland Trailblazers podcast part of the locked on podcast Network your team everyday what’s up world it’s your past first point guard and Trailblazers reporter Mike Richmond you are listening to another episode of Locked on Blazers part of the locked on podcast network available wherever you get Podcast and also on YouTube thanks for making this show your first listen coming at you each and every weekday Monday through Friday so make it a part of your daily routine make your first listen and tell your friends to do the same it’s lockdown Blazers your team every day today’s episode’s a little bit late your boy was on vacation I’m back uh spend some time in the beautiful city of Denver Colorado so my beloved Denver rock or Colorado Rockies that is uh lose the N ninth inning to the Washington National Nationals I’m rejuvenated refilled by watching a baseball team that I enjoy blow it in the ninth inning and I’m back to bring you five episodes this week uh today’s episode this Monday June 24th show it’s going to come out a little bit late uh probably 9:30 p.m. is um on the west coast so uh Tuesday if you’re on the east coast and um if you’re somewhere in the middle somewhere in the middle of that and if you’re in another place you’ll know what time it is you’ll figure it out but we’re still going to have five shows this week is what we do today we’re going to talk about the Blazers uh new assistant coaching hires they added two veteran assistants to the staff Nate borran and Chris Fleming uh want to talk about those additions just give you a quick bio of who those guys are and kind of the additions to the staff and then talk maybe some big picture stuff about what this means uh because I think you know this is this is Meaningful because what’s next this is still such a lame duck season for chy bips that um the staff might matter in in in the coming months um it’ll matter but it might matter in a very specific way in the in the coming months uh that’s what we will do in today’s show and uh then on Tuesday’s show we’re talking all things Draft rumors I’m literally going to record it right after this one so uh stick with me you’re still going to get five shows this week let’s get into it with the um let’s get into it with assistant coaching talk um here’s the thing before we get into the bios of these guys the Blazers hired Nate borran um who’s who’s who’s worked in the league a long time and most recently for the Indiana Pacers actually he spent last year and the Blazers in their press release set that he buin spent last year as a quote Special Assistant to the coaching staff for the Portland Trailblazers uh and Chris Fleming is coming off of uh Billy Donovan staff with the Chicago Bulls but like the big picture is is probably more important than than the specifics here I’m going to get you into the specifics that’s why we do here is kind of what the nature of of a daily podcast about your Portland Tre Blazers we’re we are going to get into the weeds a little bit but but the big picture is important this is important the Blazers added two seasoned NBA assistants to the roster including one with head coaching experience if you’re going to make this move um Steve hell long-term NBA assistant and um uh and Scotty Brooks who’s who’s been a head coach in a couple different spots and and a long-term NBA guy like if you’re gonna if you’re going to move off of those gentlemen and Hetzel left of his own accord to join the get the lead assistant job in in Brooklyn and Scott Brooks was not renewed and not brought back the Blazers had three coaching vacancies heading into this summer uh Brooks’s job hetzel’s job and then the Blazers did not renew a behind the bench job for Rodney bips uh chy bips little brother and like politics of aside of like not like not of like not renewing the coach’s little brother right like that’s that’s its own thing that we’ve discussed in the show and uh like the cliff notes of that is yeah it’s notable yes that is a notable thing that happens but like if you’re going to H these are these are obviously the front of the bench jobs right um that you don’t hire these PE people with the resumes that borran and and Fleming have and um and they’re not behind the bench jobs the behind the bench job they haven’t hired yet they could do a couple different things there one they could hire um you know some video guy Scout guy Player Development guy that we’ve never heard of two they could promote from within promote one of their folks that’s on the video staff or on the on the player Dev staff that doesn’t sit on the bench during games and doesn’t have an assistant coaching title promote there and then hire hire behind I think that’s fairly likely what they do based on the timing of these hires I would assume that’s what they do but they can do whatever like they can do whatever they have they have car Blan to do whatever and and and um it was reported by Sean hiken of Rose Garden report months ago that the Blazers were going to hire all three roles I have reason to believe they still will do that um but when you are going to get when hetel and Brooks leave adding veteran assistance is incredibly important I think the other thing that’s incredibly important is it’s kind of addressing some of the weaknesses on the staff I think the weaknesses from Bill on bps’s staff has been lack of creativity on offense and um you know some of is just like Talent right you how creative can you be with a talent but like and being a to instill a hey this is how we want to play like a a true concept and an identity and and you’re getting creativity at least in theory and some offensive Acumen in theory with both these hires um borin has served in player Dev roles and was the head coach of the Pacers he worked for Nick nurse for a long time Chris Fleming uh was was the Le was the assistant for um Kenny ainson in charge of the offense for the Brooklyn Nets U you know in in the uh the previous decade of the teens of of the 21st century and then was Eli in in Chicago like this is this is experience and offensive acument and guys who have been charged with running NBA offenses in the past you’ve got you know experiences with with player Dev stuff like like just working with young players Fleming reportedly worked very closely with Kobe white he was the assistant coach you know assigned to Kobe white in his career and and what did Kobe white do other than like push towards MIP right like he’s he was he was really stinking good um and it took him a while to get there right but like player player development is not linear it’s having good coaches matter because the natural sort of um things things being nonlinear and um and then like a a new take on X’s and O’s because I think the Blazers you know I think they sometimes they run too much offense and sometimes they don’t run enough offense like and by too much I means like they go to the sidelines you get you get a call from the sidelines take a little while to get into it okay it doesn’t work okay okay now it’s bogged down and it’s like you’d almost better off just letting freestyle and then sometimes they freestyle too much when like structure would help and getting you know coaches with NBA experience and all those things can probably help get you a little structure or the balance between when you need structure and when you kind of need to flow and that rhythm of things and guys who’ve coached in the league for a long long long time getting getting that in the building matters and then that’s and that’s really what what it comes down to here the biggest value of adding new assistant coaches is is is fresh voices fresh voices you know you’re not going to change probably the Deep outcome of the team even if the Blazers like run it back right even I hope I really hope they don’t but even if they if they largely run it back and this like looks like the same roster and they just Bank on a little bit of Health they’re probably like they’re just like not good enough to they would have to LEAP they finish last in the west they have to Leap Frog five teams to make the play in that seems like a lot right that F they’re going to be better than five other teams in the west next year that finished ahead of them and one of those teams Memphis who’s going to like get allst stars back um it just seems unlikely that they’re going to be like even a play in team even at full health love to be wrong be better for the podcast so what you’re doing is you’re kind of building a foundation you’re building a foundation with purpose you’re building a foundation with a a vision and you’re building a foundation with fresh voices that can help you reach whatever is next knowing that you’re probably going to be bad next year knowing that you’re you’re You’re Building towards a thing that is several seasons away getting the right voices in the building to deliver that message deliver the plan you know there’s I’ve talked about this in the past it’s like you need a good plan you need a good execution of that plan and then you need players capable of of executing that plan well you need um the last part the players is a much larger part than the first part but if you don’t have a good plan and you don’t get the Buy in to execute that plan then then you’re cooked anyways so getting some fresh voices maybe to help um both change the vision and relay that Vision could be useful so who are these dudes let’s talk about who Nate borran is and then we’ll talk Chris Fleming to close the show but let’s let’s talk borran uh in the second segment because I only know one thing about him and it’s not good let’s talk about it in the second segment join me there won’t you first 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items only exclusions apply eBay guaranteed fit only available to us [Music] customers all right let’s talk Nate borker and I mentioned that I only know one thing about him and isn’t good here’s what I know about him he was a head coach of the Indiana Pacers and he got fired cuz nobody liked him when I knew the name when the name came up this is what I knew about him I don’t have a I don’t have a I don’t um I one thing I pride myself on the show is that I don’t fake the funk um sometimes I have to do research about things that I don’t know about and have to become the sort of a low information expert for a brief period but I don’t fake the funk I’ll never I’ll never pretend to know something I don’t and I’ll never pretend to be an expert on something I’m not I don’t know I don’t have a deep index of NBA I do not have a deep index of NBA coaches but I have a pretty good memory of coaches in the league and I have pretty good memory of like big stories and a big story was that when Nate borin got fired after one year of the head as a head coach of the Indiana Pacers a lot of reporting came out that people didn’t like him in fact here’s the reporting from Jake fiser story from May of 2021 W boran’s communication style has been categorized as aggressive and abrasive with players and members of the Pacer staff from front of the bench assistant down to trainers and Equipment Personnel that behavior was cited as the cause for one of his assistant coaches resignation that’s from a much longer story from May of 2021 about uh Nate burin losing his job in Indiana let’s just get this out here real quick folks grow up people change coaches improve coaches get better U Jason kid is a much better coach now than he was when he started uh he’s he’s a perfect sort of prime example of it and just play coaches get better like Co the way players get better coaches get better and people mature people change you got people in your life who’ve changed and matured even into their the late 30s and 40s like it happens right and and perhaps even um some sort of public um embarrassment could could cause you to change as well but that’s what I know about Nate borin right that’s what I know I knew that story I was like when a friend of mine asked me about Nate borin when his name is kind of floating around and like hey the blaz are going to hire this guy I said is isn’t he the guy who got fired and we we kind of text back and forth and I sent him this article from from Yahoo sports from May of 2021 I said yeah it doesn’t look good like this isn’t a good this is not this is not the thing you want um when when you’re hiring a coach this is not kind of like the story that you want to read um but folks change let’s go to Bin’s resume a little bit um because his his story The Biggest Part part of his story is always going to be that until he writes the next part but he’s more to it than that and he’s he’s someone who’s coached in um professional basketball in in um in North America for a long time um he started with eight years in the D League got hired for the on the Iowa Energy staff in 2007 to be an assistant for yes Nick nurse with the Iowa Energy bin bin is from Iowa his dad’s a coach coach there at at College in Iowa like um and this is this is U Midwestern basketball at his finest getting a D-League job the then now g-league then D-League job in 2007 with the Iowa Energy and then he spent eight eight years in the D um he was he was a head coach in in the in the D- League from 2011 to 2015 and then uh got hired by the Phoenix Suns as sort of in a player Dev role on Jeff hornek staff this is like the really messy era of the Suns this is some this is a messy era of the Suns uh he gets hired on Jeff Hornes staff Jeff Hornes terrible basketball coach he gets fired um they hire Earl Watson and borin gets to stay over right and that is to me that’s telling right it’s like this dude is useful enough that you’d want them on your staff and as we even as we reshuffle this is this is like players we want and then Earl Watson had some members of his staff get fired after after his early early stint in Phoenix and borin again stayed over uh but but he eventually leaves 2017 from 2015 to 2017 he’s he’s a member of member of of two coaches that were not not at all successful in Phoenix um before things got good uh with Phoenix uh and then he he joins Nick nurse in the 201819 season when nurse gets hired by the Raptors and they win the freaking championship and B borran is on uh nurse’s staff when they win the title and they win the title by being incredibly creative and playing a box and one in the NBA finals and playing a bunch of weird Shifty Zone um and and inverting things on offense with Shooters um big Shooters like sergy Baka and Marc gou and like and in and and and using seak and and Kawhi Leonard in interesting ways like they’re creative offense on they’re creative team on offense and on defense um they’re a team that thinks outside the box they’re a team that like truly experiments and buan is on nurse’s staff um and and he’s on that staff from 28 he’s on the 201819 season he’s on the 1920 1920 season um that’s you know that’s the co weird Co year in the bubble um but like then he gets hired off of that to coach the Pacers in the season that started in December and he coached one season in he’s the head coach his first head coaching G coaches one season Indiana um they’d gone to the bubble and lost fired n McMillan like okay we we we you know we’re we’re a playoff level team but we need to be better and they finished 34 and 38 in that 72 Game season that started in December um and then they lose to the Wizards in the playin and then it all comes out that borran is like not cool that he’s just like not a I like the story and you know the the the reporting from uh fiser of Yahoo sports is the most incisive reporting but I would say that Adrian wowski around the same time at ESPN wrote a story about like how borin was um you know abrasive and didn’t get along with players and didn’t had you know rough relation ships with with things but like it was it was everyone described it as tumultuous this is a dude who yelled a lot I think that’s that’s like the real um the real thing to know is like he was he was some he’s he’s someone who’s kind of characterized as a micromanager and a yeller and someone who both micromanages and yells it’s just like not it’s hard in the NBA one of the hardest things in the NBA is that your players can play like crap and because you play a game the next you know less than maybe you know less than 24 hours but even like you play two more games the rest of the week and you’ve got to travel you just can’t yell you can’t yell every night you can’t yell every night you’ve got to pick your spots because your voice just it’s too much like it’s too much if they hear the same yelling the same complaining the same intensity you really have to learn to pick your spots there is a magic there is a soft magic with with head coaching in the NBA that’s kind of unknowable from the outside right but like you know been around the league enough and talked to enough NBA guys it’s like no nobody likes yellers I think for the most part from what I understand chn Phillips not a yeller not a yeller not someone who screams raises his voice makes his point clear but not a not a screamer right by any means um from from everything I’ve heard from from folks um who have witnessed his coaching style up close and behind closed doors um but like not yelling there’s a subtle magic to Wendy yell right like it’s it’s it’s also those type of things but so you know BR uh has this has this rough stint in in um in in Indiana gets fired is the big news it’s it’s what I know about him he goes back and gets hired by right back onto Nick nurse’s staff right nurse’s like that this dude has been coaching with me since 2007 I trust his basketball Acumen welcome back to the Raptor staff he coaches for the next two seasons back as an assistant in Toronto with nurse until nurse gets fired or moves they move on from him I think he got fired I think he had time left in his contract but moved until he moves to Philly um and um and borren is is doesn’t doesn’t travel to to Philadelphia doesn’t get the job with nurse in Philly and he ends up getting the Special Assistant gig with the with the Blazers what borin was hired to do was to be was to have that Nick nurse specialty right was is to have the creativity is that really creative defenses and the offenses that have um you know that that take you know take and break some principles and Nick nurse’s offenses weren’t like amazing like the thing that he’s really is the experimenting on defense but like what I remember from the Indiana team is like them running a triangle in two at some point that the players looked like they had about 60% interest in running right um and I think um I think coaches can change and coaches can improve and people can change and people can improve I will say that on first blush if you’re a Blazer fan you just you just hope that this is a thing of the past and also like being in the first chair as the lead guy as the as the head coach is very very very different from being an assistant coach it’s a very very different role in how you interact with you you know you have basically no media interaction none um and like but how you interact with how you’re asked to interact with players how you’re going ask to interact with staff it’s just different right it’s different um the ask is different of you you’re not the face you’re not a CEO you’re not the it’s like it’s a very different thing so maybe this will suit borin better maybe this will suit his personality better and maybe the things that you that the that why he was hired Indiana the creativity and the guy who’s you know spent a ton of time in those player in the in the player Dev world the Player Development world of of the G League or the D League at the time like maybe you’re getting that right maybe you’re getting a guy who who worked in Player Development for for eight years in the D-League worked in Player Development in Phoenix a guy who’s you know been on Creative coaching staffs in in Toronto and just didn’t work out as a head coach maybe you’re getting that guy to be an assistant and you’re getting that basketball Acumen uh the other thing to know is that uh in that reporting from uh Jake fiser is that uh Kevin Pritchard was the guy who uh running this the Pacers at the time who hired borran and he was they go they apparently have a close relationship and go way back uh Chad Buchanan the GM of of the Pacers who also was a big proponent of borran and both of them discussed a lot with Nick nurse before the borran hiring about you know what he would bring to the table um and they were both big fans of borran they were both big supporters of him and that’s the reporting from that um from that story in 2021 in 2006 Uh Kevin Pritchard and Chad Buchanan hired a intern for the Blazers uh to start their then their basketball front office and that person was Joe Cronin um these are kind of like a guy who was you know previously co-signed by the people who brought Cronin into the league I think you can kind of connect the obvious dots there um my thoughts on borran are like we’ll see we’ll see um I think he’s much better suited to have in that assistant role than than in in the lead role um certainly from from what we know obviously people change and there’s we see the tip of the iceberg and we read maybe the first third of the iceberg even even the the the reporting it’s like Weir there’s a lot there’s a lot more to it okay um let’s talk Chris Fleming in the third segment and then I got some broad thoughts on what it means to hire coaches for the Portland trbl lasers in the summer of 2024 join me in that third segment won’t you first though I want to tell you that Today’s Show is 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freaking summer long as FanDuel official Sports batting partner of Major League [Music] Baseball still a pass first point guard I’m still Mike Richmond and you are still listening to lockon Blazers okay who is Chris Fleming he’s a pro coach who started his career in Germany spent 14 years coaching in various Pro leagues in Germany and was briefly the the head coach of the German national team a dude who is a seasoned Pro coach even before making the move to North American coaching ranks which he did in 2015 2016 as an assistant coach on Mike Malone staff with the Denver Nuggets then in 20 uh following That season the head of the 2016 17 season Kenny ainson brought him over uh to the Brooklyn Nets and Fleming was was charged with from what I from from my research with running the offense for the Brooklyn Nets he was the guy in charge of the O the offensive coordinator in Brooklyn that’s I think that’s meaningful for the Blazers right I think that’s meaningful you get this sort of creative defensive mind in borran you got a guy who’s run NBA offense has like been the the head of o on NBA offense who knows what he’ll be with the Blazers what exactly his role will be but like someone who brings that kind of thinking I think that’s valuable then out of that situation with with Atkinson and obviously that those kind of um like the sort of know Allstar success that they had with Caris LeVert and and Jared Allen and and d’angela Russell and it’s like oh okay this these guys can hoop like can he it’s a good coach and Kenny ainson just got a job today with the Cleveland Cavaliers um but for out of that job in 2019 ahead of the 1920 season uh the Jim boand got hired by the Chicago Bulls and Jim boan said I want a lead assistant give me Chris Fleming and Fleming comes over and takes that lead assistant role on boand staff in Chicago um and then that didn’t go very well and boand was um he just he just um he didn’t work out as a head coach still coached in the league he’s guy who’s who’s seen around the Blazers facility not too long ago but now now back back as an assistant coach in the NBA and it’s like um and boand lasts a year gets fired because it just he he wasn’t going to be the guy in in Chicago and when the Bulls change over and they and they go with Billy Donovan you know who stays on staff it’s Chris Fleming they he’s on holdover and I think whenever you get a hold over on staff it’s because the organization says this dude can coach you can make whatever coaching staff you want it needs to in include Chris Chris Fleming because Chris Fleming is valuable and we brought him over here because he’s valuable we we know we found him in in Brooklyn and made him Elite assistant and we we appreciate what he does and he was one of um he did not have the lead assistant title with with Billy Donovan but he’s one of the top of the assistants uh under Donovan or you know one of the front of the bench guys with Donovan um he coached the 2021 through the 2020 2021 season up until this last year and then this summer like in the last couple weeks uh the Bulls had a couple shakeups mauce cheeks left the coaching staff and then Fleming was was was not retained and and the Bulls as they you know kind of spiraling in mediocrity as they always are I’ve been really mean to the Bulls recently on the show so why stop here a franchise a franchise in disarray for several decades without Direction um they were pretty good with derck rose and jokim no but um like a team that’s been a little bit a little bit wandering in the wilderness um you know they’re shaking things up and they’re not going to fire their head coach but they’re going to shake up the assistant coaches because again like as I said at the top of the show new voices in the building it’s like you get the Acumen but new voices matters new voices in the building um and and so Fleming let go and now he is hired to be a a front- of the bench guy for the Blazers that’s buan that’s Fleming so so like that’s a lot of time on assistant coaches right some of that is the nature of this program some of that is like I think this really matters I think assistant coaches really matters and here’s the thing I think it’s I think assistant coaching is one of the most important like a coaching staff like not just the head coach but the staff on down like who you have on staff is probably one of the most important sort of parts of running a team if you’re a longtime listener shout out to my everyday you know that I think like it’s a talent league and I think coaching I think Talent is something like 75% I think it’s probably I probably settled on like two-thirds probably 65% of of the equation is like how good are the players on your roster but that other third if you win that other third every night that’s going to equate to a ton of wins and if you win that other third at the highest levels of basketball right if you win that if you dominate a third of the game uh and when you get to the playoffs that really matters right like coaching still is a huge chunk of it it’s just like it’s not the it’s not like I’m not under the impression that you can coach your way out of lack of talent but it matters it’s immensely important and the staff as a whole is immensely important it’s immensely important the problem is that the public probably sees less than 10% of what assistant coaches do and what head coaches do like they just don’t we just don’t know um we don’t know the private conversations we don’t know the private text messages we don’t know what goes on in film room and how guys how guys approach it and we don’t know what each player needs because we can maybe learn from good incisive reporting um how you know I I believe um there was the uh there was a a Jason quick had a a term that chony phips uses in in film where it’s it’s the um I’m trying not to swear is why I’m stuttering a little bit it’s the it’s the give a shoot he shows a g he’s shows the give a shoot play um and it’s if it’s an e it’s an effort play he shows on film where you so hey this guy really G he this guy gave a shoot yesterday um and like so you kind of get like maybe you can get from some incisive reporting like how coaches go about it but but the little stuff the the the one-on ones with players the how they treat this this guy likes to get yelled at he likes to like this dude needs to get yelled at to focus this dude you cannot yell at him like the little soft stuff like that that is like the magic of coaching that what having a good staff is and then how to communicate things hey we want to we want to do this how do you communicate from Concepts maybe like hey our stat staff we ask them to look this up our analytics Department we ask to look this up they say that we are the best when we do this well how do we take this concept that is like mostly analytical to apply it to our actual scheme and then how do we communicate that without like without guys crossing their eyes or and getting Buy in we can know like 10% of the Iceberg the other 90% is deep underwater in places that you just never know without being in the building but I think it’s vitally important I think Co I think assistant coaches is like a huge I think building a really strong coaching staff is is just incredibly valuable for an NBA team it’s I don’t know if it’s if it’s a market inefficiency because I think teams know it but the teams with really good assistance like you know with like seven good coaches on on the bench that’s a probably a market in efficiency and that’s what the Blazers are chasing it is a huge massive unknown variable if borran and Fleming are veteran coaches dudes who have coached for you know for um for Fleming a guy who’s been who’s been coaching for 25 years for uh for borin a guy who’s been coaching for nearly two decades at the professional levels right um if they come in and bring a new voice and a new creativity and that offensive Acumen and the sort of the the the particularly the offensive creativity I think the Blazer staff currently lacks and they’re able to communicate those ideas in a way that guys buy in you’re not going to maybe see a team jump from you know 22 wins to 40 wins they’re probably not even going to win north of 35 like right like it just seems relatively unlikely that they win like a 33rd game next season but you’re building the you’re building the foundation and the direction I think the most important thing for the Blazers over the next season is playing with purpose what do they want to do does it seem clear that they are playing the way they want to and playing with intention and playing a way that maximizes who they got here are our guys here’s how we want to play what’s fit what’s take our players and build the best scheme we can because you have to go in that direction from players to scheme not scheme to players you got to fit it around your talent can they fit around their talent can they use can they have can veteran coaches figure out who the Blazers have and how to maximize what they do and then be creative in that Ma in in that maximization that’s the test and it’s it’s hard to to know but we kind of get to see it play out it’s just hard to know in real time how will it work and even when we know the guy’s resumes what is it even like what what does it actually translate to but I think it’s fascinating stuff okay tomorrow show um that I’m literally moments away from recording uh is going to be all about NBA uh rumors this show is going to be in your feeds late on a Monday evening and then Tuesday show will’ll be back kind of shortly thereafter and we’ll be back on track for five shows this week tell your friends about the program and NBA draft week and tomorrow’s show we’re talking NBA draft so um that’s what we’re focusing on come back and listen to that one I appreciate you listening I’ll talk to you soon [Music]

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