Are the Blazers Keeping Anfernee Simons and Jerami Grant? | 2024 NBA Free Agency Livestream
e e e e e what’s going on everybody Welcome in to Blazers surprise live free agency Edition today we’re going to recap day two of NBA free agency as you had some major moves today and we’re also going to talk about your Portland Trailblazers in the latest in the Jeremy Grant trade Saga Anthony Simons is there even a chance he gets dealt we’re going to talk about that really nothing has developed unfortunately unfortunately on yesterday’s stream we didn’t have many signings and then this morning when we couldn’t stream Eric we had a bunch of chaos Paul George signed last night at 12:30 in the morning our time so we kind of missed the uh chaotic part of free agency but we’re here to recap it and maybe we have something tonight just in case we do have the uh Twitter feeds down below us Eric how is your Monday treating you oh it’s going pretty good hope everyone in chat is having a good day as well how is your day going Tori it’s good it’s good it’s been a chaotic day but also you know I I kind of relaxed today I needed it I needed to sit back relax it’s physically taxing for me to stream for seven and a half hours in a row I don’t know about you Eric But like after last night my back was so so messed up it’s just all the Leaning into the mic and sitting at the computer so you know hopefully hopefully we don’t have uh the same soreness after today uh I I sound so what’s the word like old yeah old I mean I’m talking about how I’m physically taxed after sitting down at my computer and streaming for seven hours in a row man that that’s some age right there 28 pushing 40 and uh yeah it was a little rough after yesterday but always fun to just sit down and stream for seven and a half hours wish it was a little bit more fun wish we had a little bit more action wish some of the action that happened this morning happened yesterday well I know uh I left for a few minutes and you left a couple times for a few minutes but I mean if you had like a radio show or something you would have commercial breaks like for an hour so he would be able to get up and walk around and stuff so for the most part we were just sitting here the whole 7 and a half hours uh talking you know I wish we had like 16 sponsors so I could play Four sponsored reads in a row every 15 minutes that would be amazing but unfortunately we don’t have 16 sponsors uh you know may maybe one day we’ll be able to uh just use sponsors as a break that’s the only reason just to just to get away from the computer for a few minutes but no it’s just straight live stream straight coverage shout out to crushable for joining us last night uh Eric let’s just jump into things let’s start with maybe the most notable thing that happened today which is Klay Thompson no longer a Golden State Warrior he is now a Dallas Maverick apparently he spurned the Lakers and the MAV sign and trade for him send Josh Green to the Hornets for a couple of seconds and send a couple of seconds golden states way I don’t know exactly how many seconds the Mavs Mavs traded I just know the Warriors got a couple of seconds and Josh Green went to Charlotte correct yes what are your thoughts um I was a little surprised that the Warriors didn’t take Josh green um and then decided to sign Melton Anthony Melton um but uh overall uh yeah I’m also kind of surprised that clay took less money to go to uh Dallas um I mean I know that there’s no or less state income tax there I don’t know if it’s zero or not but it’s a lot lower than California um so obviously that probably played into it a bit but uh still kind of surprising that he left money on the table um maybe he feels like the Lakers were not anywhere near close to attention and the Mavericks art obviously so yeah that’s very possible that’s very possible um I care about the Klay Thompson for what it does to the Lakers because I’m still sitting there hoping they get desperate enough to give up what the Blazers want for Jeremy Grant so I was happy to see the news it was very surprising to me but Clay is GNA probably start there without any Derek Jones Jr Derek Jones Jr goes to the Clippers um we’ll see how good Clay is next year you know he is definitely declining the injuries have added up with the age as of now but he’s going to be able to get some good three-point looks playing off of Kyrie and Luca I just wonder defensively if he can be a good pairing next to those guys because he’s lost a step on that end yeah um I know he’s lost a step but I think the spacing hper by it on offense will be worth it he still shot well from three last year it’s down for his standards but in terms of the NBA average when you shoot I think he shot like nine attempts a game and still shot in the upper 30 percentile so yeah um I I think that’s more than enough to create a lot of space for Luca and uh Kyrie and you won’t be able to pay clay much attention in those lineups so I think offensively it’ll work and defensively you know you got those two uh centers back there protecting the rim um that’ll help him a little bit uh you know Draymond has slowed down a little bit Looney slowed down a little bit um so it didn’t really have a lot of R protection last year on Golden State um so I think I think it’ll I don’t I’m not going to say he’s going to like get better than he was on defense because he’s probably not ever going to move like he used to but uh I think if there was one situation for him that he could kind of rehab His Image and kind of have a rebirth at this point of his career I think this is a really good situation for him yeah yeah absolutely uh we’ll touch upon how this hurts the Lakers in a second and how that might factor into your Blazers but uh other signings today Isaiah hartenstein gets three years 87 million from the Oklahoma City Thunder I mean that’s just a great fit great pickup for him do you think I think it’s an overpay though uh I mean yeah it’s obviously an overpay but that’s the only way you were getting him to leave New York I think I think you had to and you also had the uh I think the magic were going to be in play for him uh they could have I think they were somewhere in the 20 million range still above the or below the t uh cap so you had to kind of get to a point that the magic couldn’t compete either um so I think uh I think yeah I think it’s a bit of an overpay but I think it was necessary and if you’re the Thunder you’re the one seed and you add kuso and Isaiah hartenstein two of the better defenders in the NBA last year um without giving up any rotation players other than Josh giddy who uh some could argue shouldn’t have been a rotation player for them uh in the playoffs towards the end of the season and then uh they have the luxury of just drafting uh nicoa topic just as a luxury to have maybe develop and and play so like I don’t know and they still have all their future draft picks it’s kind of disgusting yeah if the Spurs make smart moves too like how are we going to compete with those two teams even if we do rebuild right you know yeah I mean I don’t know I’ve there’s been that sentiment with a couple of teams in the past and they just haven’t been able to become dynasties it’s really hard to build a dynasty in the NBA so uh with this new CBA that’s kind of the hope is you know those teams are probably going to win championships maybe plural but it’s hard to build a dynasty nowadays and if the Blazers can get Cooper flag you know he might be better he might be a top five player one day he might be a best player in the league one day I think it’s hard to hard to beat wemi out but if you can if you can get a top five player and if other pieces can pan out at least you have a fighting chance and I think that’s why it’s important for the Blazers to embrace uh struggling once again this year because they could get their future star hopefully Cooper flag that’s the number one pick in next year’s draft so um you know not to start the tank talk too early but it is why it’s a benefit to trade some of the veterans too yeah absolutely um other signings I just real quick I thought I thought that was a home run signing if if I was the Thunder that’s exactly what I would have done this off season you had cap space you had a limited time to use it before you have to start paying players down the road uh why not add one of the better defending centers next to an already defending Center uh you have good defense all up and down your roster and the thing is they have they’ve added all these pieces like maybe you could argue Lou Dort but most of their players are good on both sides of the ball and they’re you know I think just because their defense they a defensive player doesn’t mean they’re not limited offensively so that’s going to be really tough to comp compete with when you have a seven or eight man rotation that’s good on they’re all like two-way players yeah 100% uh Jaylen Smith gets three years 27 million from the bulls the bulls made a good signing what yeah yeah it’s about the only good thing that they’re capable of doing right now they’re probably going to lose D rozan for nothing um maybe it’s a sign and trade if they’re lucky and uh that’s pretty much all the big signings today Mo Boma goes to the Clippers Nick Batum goes back to the Clippers kind of funny uh who else am I missing here Chris Dunn goes to the Clippers the Suns still haven’t filled their point guard spot with a point guard uh maybe Mason plumbley plays point guard Eric I don’t know what the hell their playing is uh any other noteworthy things today that you wanted to talk about um well Lakers are just in D rozan apparently um but it also there was some rumors I forgot where this was from but a couple hours ago there was some stuff that LeBron is not happy with the Lakers unwillingness to go to make moves right now yeah which is interesting it was funny because I was listening to uh Rip City radio 620 on the way home and uh Dwight James was talking about how oh the Lakers shouldn’t offer him a Max the Lakers should just offer him less cuz his son’s there and he’s not going to leave his son the Lakers have all the leverage because they drafted his son and Chad doy was basically saying that was ludicrous which I I agree with like are are you gonna do that with uh Rich Paul clutch Sports is just just silly especially considering LeBron opted out of 51 million in his player option so it was interesting to see that report right after hearing that conversation do you think that’s something that means anything or do you think it’s simply like LeBron’s still going to go back bronn’s there or could this turn into just a complete like situation I don’t know I don’t know how much to read into a report like that what do you think well there were there I think it’s true because there’s been this rumor of LeBron’s always wanting to them to trade their future picks for players at every deadline every offseason and there’s been some push back from the Lakers but LeBron has gotten the coach he wanted uh obviously throughout his career he’s gotten several coaches fired and hired and all that kind of stuff he’s dictated Personnel moves at times uh he got his son who a lot of people don’t think is even an NBA player drafted by the team um so what I want to know is what’s stopping him from going above pinka and just saying it’s either him or me that has to go and uh just telling them to fire pinka like would they not do that for him yeah would pinka not say would pinka not fold in that scenario as well right I don’t think pinka wants to get fired either yeah so sorry go ahead I wonder if he would do that or not like because I don’t think he wants to leave the Lakers obviously but um I also wouldn’t like tempt it too much CU some of these guys you know like clay this happened to Clay he got offered uh way more money to stay in Golden State um but that he saw that as a slight you know yeah and so then he takes less money to go to another team just despite them mhm um so yeah it’s uh some of these some of these athletes man they if if they feel slighted man they’ll they’ll do something now I don’t think he’ll leave LA but I do think that pinka is going to be the one that ultimately folds and I don’t think it would be the case necessarily if pinka hadn’t done this twice in a row now last off seon they make the Western Conference Finals they do absolutely nothing last summer they draft Jaylen Hood chafino they do a couple of like really mediocre signings like cam reddish and Jackson Hayes and um like tan Prince was okay but like those guys weren’t any sort of differen makers or anything so they basically run the same team back um from their Western Conference Finals it obviously is not working um they win the inseason tournament but that’s about all they did right um they weren’t good at the trade deadline uh there was speculations the entire season that DLo was going to get traded and then they decided to keep him at the deadline and do nothing first round exit so I don’t see how pinka can just be like okay we’re gonna draft dton connect and run the same team back like connect should make them better but like I don’t understand from his perspective like what was the point of even like why would you want to keep LeBron in and Anthony Davis and stuff if you want if you’re not going to go all in to try and go for one last run with them yeah basically all I’m thinking when I hear all this is hopefully this plays out in the Blazers favor hopefully this plays out where they have to do something so it’s Jeremy Grant maybe Jeremy Grant and D rozan I think there’s Pathways where the Lakers could get both and then you got a starting lineup of like point forward LeBron Austin Reeves D rozan who can also handle the ball some Jeremy Grant and Anthony Davis I mean that would at least be an intriguing lineup I think defensively it has some issues uh and then you got D’Angelo Russell Off the Bench maybe they keep him in that situation probably him or ruie uh I think there’s a path to do that and stay below the uh hard cap of the first apron while giving LeBron his max it’s very very tight but uh you gotta hope that things turn in the Blazer’s favor because if pelinka has to save his job if LeBron’s putting pressure on him internally then you’re talking about maybe the Blazers can get those two future first round picks off the Lakers or maybe they can get Dalton connect off the Lakers because I think at this point if there’s no pressure on pinka I don’t think he’s trading two future first for Jeremy Grant I just don’t think he wants to sell the future but if he’s not gonna be there in five years if he’s not going to be there next year you know what I mean like who who cares about future first your job is to get that team to contention somehow make that team as good as possible right now because you got LeBron LeBron probably wants to win a championship with his son so what trade targets are out there Brandon Ingram still a pelican apparently they’re going to try and sort things out now that they got dejonte Murray uh ultimately Jeremy Grant might be the best trade Target on the market so that’s the dream that’s the hope I would be really bummed if Jeremy Grant is in a Blazer uniform next year now I don’t know if I’d necessarily blame Joe Cronin at all because ultimately you have to hold out for those two first round picks and if you don’t like you kind of got to bring him back right Eric I mean if if La is not offering two first he’s kind of stuck between two suboptimal options which is keep Jeremy Grant or get back less value in a trade form yeah um so the latest I’ve heard what’s going to take this with a great assault I’m not trying to be an Insider but I was told that uh that’s exactly what Joe cronin’s mindset is right now yeah and I applaud that if that’s the case just do not fold like if that’s if that’s going to be the way you play it and you you sit there and you know I hear that you stood your ground and didn’t compromise you told them that what you wanted don’t say don’t do the whole thing where you’re not taking calls or you’re um you know not telling them what you actually would trade Jeremy for or whatever if if he told them we will trade you Jeremy but it will not be for less than at least the two first round picks and uh or some combination if I don’t know if they I I have no idea if they think connect is a first round pick or not in that scenario um the Blazers I mean or I hope so he should have been a top 10 pick man yeah I’m I’m just saying like I don’t know if that’s what they’re saying um like either like we’ve been talking about two out of the three I do know they want at least two first round pick value for Jeremy Grant and they are according to what I’ve heard not going to trade him unless they get that and I think that’s the right play because there has to be a situation where he is worth to two first um you know hopefully if it’s not now it’s um when some of these things start to shake up and there’s teams like the Kings who had a slightly down Year from the year before didn’t make the playoffs losing the playin and you know start to panic like wow we haven’t done much this offseason like we need to make a splash still and uh so maybe you you find a way to do that so um from what I’ve I’ve been told the Blazers told the Lakers if they want Grant it’s going to cost them two first and that they’re not going to settle for anything less than that yeah and Anthony Irwin has basically alluded to that as well he’s a reporter down in LA and it’s pretty clearcut I think you know maybe if they’re too heavily protected maybe Portland doesn’t trade them for two first that’s the thing is if they get to First what are the protections on those first that is something to figure out ultimately um but that’s really what it’s going to come down to and I don’t know what else the Lakers would trade these first round picks for um like the there were Laker fans starting to want miles Bridges and obviously you know uh there’s a lot of teams out there that would never sign miles Bridges apparently the Lakers are one of them what are their other options thear D rozan on attacks M you keep the picks I mean that’s not going to change things for the Lakers he’s not a good fit they need somebody legitimate a true needle mover Demar D rozan is good but given his fit issues he doesn’t help them defensively he doesn’t help their three Point shooting which was near the bottom of the league D rozan is not going to make much of a difference it’s kind of like Westbrook 2.0 just a little bit better uh so they need a guy like Jeremy Grant and if they have to overpay to get him if LeBron is forcing that because he wants to win then Portland could be the benefici beneficiary of a market and a situation in La that lines up in their favor and Cronin just has to have the patience to hopefully let those chips fall in his favor and if they don’t then I understand Jeremy Grant being a Portland Trailblazer next year and although that kind of bums me out because ultimately you’re going to have to make some tough decisions if you have Anthony Simons back like you’re going to have to bring one of the three guards Off the Bench or Denny AIA and I don’t like that I think all four or all three of avdia sko and sharp should be starting the the fourth man is probably what of Anthony Simons or Jeremy Grant so if you trade Jeremy Grant get back good assets you can start the three guards with AIA at the four eight and probably still at the five and you got enough minutes to go around if not you got a little bit of a log Jam and you’re going to have to bring somebody off the bench that maybe shouldn’t be now the Blazer get her all the time so maybe it remedies itself eventually but you don’t want to have to have a key piece injured in order to start the right players scoot needs to start sharp needs to start that back court needs to grow together if ant is starting with them cool you see if it works or not avdia has to start as well he’s too good yeah completely agree with that got to free up spots and I don’t I don’t really like the way the rotation plays out with Grant I mean but what do you do if if no team offers you the two first do you just like hold out into the season until something happens I think you hold out until until August September because I think if the Lakers are going to fold they’re going to fold before that yeah and ultimately Eric I don’t think the Blazers are going to get back better value for Jeremy Grant at next year’s trade deadline or next off season I think he’s kind of at the peak of his value right now and if that value can’t manifest itself into two first round picks you take a first round pick in a couple of seconds in September from I don’t know Sacramento if they still want to make a splash maybe Memphis still wants to make a splash offensively because they need some help on that end uh there’s some other destinations for Grant which is why I’m a bit optimistic uh because that’s the other thing it’s like if the Lakers feel like they’re not bidding against anybody uh will they get desperate enough to still give up two first round picks for Jeremy Grant I don’t know but if they feel like they’re betting against somebody and have to make something happen then you could end up with a really good trade on Portland so Portland should be talking to other teams regarding Germany Grant just to see if any other teams give up two first round picks and if they do maybe that’s just as good of a trade as you can get from LA so you pull the trigger but at the very least you create a bidding war um you know you maybe try and uh what’s the word like you leak those talks you calculate you’re calculated you leak those talks somehow where the Lakers can catch wind of it and the Lakers realize they’re in a bidding war with other teams that are willing to give up two first round picks ultimately you have to manufacturer B War you have to field other offers on Jeremy Grant and you have to play hard ball in my opinion until like September is because I don’t think the Lakers are going to hold out that long and I think he he set max value if that max value comes in September you still solve the issue with the lineup you probably don’t miss out on anything by trading Grant at that point even if it’s just one first because I don’t think you’re going to get back more if you can’t right now yeah and I think this is where Cronin has to differentiate between oh there was no good offers out there when you’re trying to be buyers and like you said manufacturing value when you’re a seller and so he has as chat’s pointing out the Blazers have the leverage here they have the player that should be coveted by several teams that could use him um now right now during the off season the only argument you could make is that it’s hard to start a bidding war when not many teams could currently make a trade for him because uh you know a lot of these or obviously all the free agents signing aren’t tradable now a lot of teams are getting hard capped or whatever a lot of teams are worried about aprons and stuff and art need to stay below certain aprons so there might be a situation where there’s not as many teams as they were hoping in this bidding war um that’s why it’s important to get the Lakers to Cave somehow but also like I don’t know if it’s necessarily it would suck for rotation wise and all that stuff but I don’t know if it’s that bad to wait until several teams have tradable contracts for him either yeah I just I feel like they drag it out until the deadline the touches thing is an issue if you bring back both ant and Grant in my opinion like I just see AIA taking too much of a back seat like they valued him enough to pick him up to give up two first for him so I’d hope not but I just have a feeling if Grant here it’s going to be man Grant’s taking 20 shots a game avdia is playing too much off the ball yeah 20 shots a game is a little overzealous but you get my point so that’s another reason to move Grant before the season uh because you want to build off fdia season last year you want to give him on ball reps he was best as a point forward last year in Washington I can’t stress that enough he can handle he average almost four a game uh he can drive uh he’s not much of a mid-range shooter but can get to the rim Finish Well 70% within the restricted area shot 37% from three some of those threes are off the dribble threes like he’s basically a three LEL scorer to me uh you know I think he needs to add a little bit more of a floater that would make him even more dangerous got to get something a little better in the mid-range But ultimately it’s like that’s a really good player and you he’s 23 you got to keep developing him you got to pick up where Washington left off and that is just my my worry man is if he’s the one off the bench I think that’s a travesty even if he’s in the starting lineup though if he’s in the starting lineup with with uh Scoot and an or or sharp and ant and Grant and Aon is he the fifth option because that’s probably not a good thing yeah I agree it’s not ideal and I don’t think I mean I I don’t know this for sure but in my mind you give up two firsts for abdia like they hopefully feel that same way about him right that he’s not a secondary player yeah like if they do feel that way it it’s not a good trade then if he if they gave up that much for him so in my mind just based on what they gave up they have to think he is a starting level player first of all and second of all someone that is a major part of their core and that should deserve a big role on this team so if that’s not going to be the case this year I don’t like the trade as much if they are kind of just using him like they used like tamman last year or something yeah 100% um I’d be interested in a first and a swap if it was unprotected from the Lakers as well like that’s interesting if the swaps in 2029 which means they could then only trade one future first instead of two because of the way the steppan rule sets up with their future picks but you could get swap rights to their pick in 2029 and you get swap rights with the worst of Portland um Portland Boston Milwaukee so that’s how you get some of those convoluted picks like if if Portland wants to swap in 2029 then basically they’d get the best out of the Lakers pick and the worst of Milwaukee’s Boston’s Portland’s pick but I think it’s more likely that they get a 2029 first and a swap in maybe 2028 or 2030 ultimately the Blazers have swap rights with Milwaukee so maybe they could get the best in out of Portland’s LA’s and Milwaukee’s picks in 2028 and La gets the worst and then Portland gets their 2029 first like yes that’s not quite too first but that’s intriguing to me cuz you’re maximizing your draft Capital that’s what basically San Antonio got for uh pick yeah so yeah and then if Portland doesn’t swap in 2028 maybe you it can defer to a swap in 2030 like you can maybe get a little creative here if La wants to keep their 2031 first round pick and maybe you get like if you’re not happy with that return uh maybe you get more value down the line by flipping ruy or whoever you get back in that trade yeah exactly so you know there there are Pathways to a deal we’re just going to have to monitor the situation I think it’s going to play out slowly unfortunately you know i’ would love for a trade to happen right this second and it’ be a good one um but ultimately we’re going to have to have some semblance of patience I think just as long as it if it doesn’t happen tonight I hope it doesn’t happen the next two days uh hopefully it happens like next weekend that would be perfect but I I think I’m going to have to keep the ringtone on Eric on the phone for a while unfortunately uh shout out to West David in $5 donation says it’s the Piston’s goal to create a dumpster fire big enough to keep Detroit warm throughout the whole winter what are they doing Harris yeah so they signed Tobias Harris on a two-year $52 million deal um is there a team option for year two though Eric is my question I have not seen any details let me see if spot trk has it yet they’re usually pretty fast with these things but I don’t know how fast I I agree I I don’t really like what they’re doing if it if they have a team option for year two I’m completely fine with that because they just let him walk and maybe he’s a trade asset at the deadline and what were they going to use their cap space on anyway you know so if that’s the case fine but if he’s like actually under contract and no team control next season then they wasted cap space next year too and I don’t like that it um it just says estimate he has he has them on the the Pistons but his contract is estimate so yeah so we’ll just have to see I haven’t seen anything about a team option I actually think the deal is fine if they have a team option year twoo but who knows yeah I I know he’s got three years on his contract but I would have rather instead of sting someone like Tobias Harris just take LaVine in the first and maybe recoup some value like we’re talking about OKC did for years with guys like Al Horford and stuff like that um and maybe you get a first down their line for trading LaVine um but I would take that take that asset over just signing someone out right yeah you just have to wonder how LaVine interferes if they’re going to play him with the minutes of young guys and the culture that they’re trying build and all that so I don’t know um I mean outside of being hurt LaVine has been pretty good like when he’s healthy so like it’s the only concern is his injury I guess yeah it just feels like the type of player you’d see on on a bad organization at this point going from Chicago to Detroit well why not this because if you take Ben Simmons that he’s only got one year left on his deal like I’m sure the Nets would give them Ben Simmons I I just thought there was other yeah I mean there may be banking on being able to flip Tobias for something at the deadline where they would get that first and not have to deal with the’s contract long term so um I kind of understand it they had to use their caps space on something um G Willer says Jeremy has the same red flags as brogen are we sure he’s even worth one first what do you mean the same red flags is Brogden and he’s definitely worth the first La I think would trade a first for him right now if they if it is only worth one first Jeremy’s a good player it’s that’s the reasons we don’t want him on our team are not really his fault I think he fits really well on the on the Lakers and uh one thing I was looking into uh when LeBron has had good three-point shooting around him yeah he’s almost Unstoppable and they’re almost guaranteed to make a deep playoff run yeah and it’s and it’s when he doesn’t have good shooting and the spacing is terrible and uh the roster is kind of mediocre that he doesn’t play well and Jeremy’s a guy who the last two seasons has shot just over 40% from three um he absolutely spaces the floor and he can get some buckets and you know when Anthony Davis and LeBron get a lot of attention and uh he’ll be a menace attacking those Closeouts as well for all his faults on on uh defense and our scheme that we had in play I mean like he he he competes on defense it’s not like he gives up he doesn’t compete for rebounds I guess is the only not knock on him really but um with LeBron and Anthony Davis and stuff you don’t really need him to be a strong rebounder so um yeah as Jay King says he’s he’s been doing a good job of getting to the line and uh stuff like that here in Portland so yeah I don’t I don’t see any real flaws like this is just a thing where he’s he’s around 30 years old I might be 30 exactly um and then like I just don’t think he fits with this team and I don’t like having Chanty as coach with a guy like Jeremy like he specifically said last year that he was forcing Jeremy to just ISO and take bad shots and stuff because we didn’t have anyone else that could create I don’t like having that crutch for chony on the team so I’d rather get rid of him and then I mean admittedly Grant doesn’t even like doing that either so um yeah I I would just move on from him um but that doesn’t mean I don’t think he’s a good player he’s a he’s a pretty dang good player and I think if he’s your fourth option or something on a team you’re in really good shape yeah yeah and I think right now jery is more likely to get traded than Anthony Simons uh I just I don’t know everything with the Anthony sbin situation but even if Portland wanted to trade him I don’t think they’d trade him because I think they want to trade him for what they feel like is justifiable value and they’re not going to get that so even if like hypothetically ant wanted to trade and the Blazers wanted to trade him I still don’t know if he get traded because of the market out there Orlando basically bowed out I I thought Orlando was going to make a play for ay Simons because of how perfect of a fit he was and I thought ultimately that had a good chance of leading to a trade between Portland and Orlando instead Orlando has spent uh what 30 million on kcp and Gary Harris which I think is just stupid of them they need shot Creation in the back court instead they’re just getting a couple three and D guys and they have not addressed the shot creation at all go yeah but Tad so I mean they could still match salary I guess in order to trade for him um or I don’t know maybe they Anthony black for him still works cuz you could renounce Gary Harris’s cap hold and then fit him into the cap room exception um I just don’t know how much they actually paid Goa I didn’t see the actual number somewhere so it was 324 so about 8 million too yeah you fit him in so so they had $27 million of cap space but Tod should fit into the room exception like barly and then Gary Harris making about 7 mil uh because it’s two your 14 million so that gets him down to 20 million to cap space before fitting bad into the room exception so Anthony black for anony Simons would still work for them just barely so I don’t think it’s completely dead cuz Anthony black in a first round pick was always going to be like the most likely trade for Anthony Simons I it just feels like Orlando’s going a different direction which I think is a mistake but who knows well we don’t even know if they were even interested in Simons or not you know um yeah I mean logically speaking he makes a ton of sense so that’s kind of where all that comes from absolutely um but like yeah I mean there’s been no other than oh anthon’s perfect for Orlando and Orlando needs a guard and they have all this cap space and stuff like it it seemed like a match made in heaven if you were going to trade ay but um I don’t know like teams seem to there’s a lot of teams that I think aony would be really good for they just seem to sleep on him for some reason yeah I mean I mean maybe maybe it’s a bunch of teams sleeping on him maybe he’s not as good as we think I don’t know um you know it’s like these front offices are are uh it’s their living to know who’s good and who’s not good across the league um I think Anthony’s good it’s just what do these teams think about his defense and how much does that play into their decision to not trade for him how much do they think it’s just him putting up numbers on a bad team and on a good team he’s not even a 20 point per game guy maybe uh I think those are some of the factors that could be weighing down his uh trade value and uh we don’t know if those questions are true or false because we haven’t seen Anthony like starting for a good team that’s that’s why he uh had those comments in his exit interview talking about you know he wants to play on a playoff stage now so he’s never played on a playoff stage after becoming a like established player but he’s he’s really skilled and he’s gotten better and he put up 22 and five and a half assists last year at 24 years of age and is a sniper and is one of the best volume three-point Shooters in the league so ultimately uh it just takes one team to see some value in that maybe that team is a team we didn’t expect who knows yeah so Greg bores in chat says these these guys are panicking scoot can still come off the bench if no trades are made he’s only 19 what is with people saying literally anything is panicking how in the world bro go look up the definition of the word panic um we literally I mean lior face we literally just sat there and say croner has to play hard ball and if he doesn’t get too first for Jeremy they might have to go into the season next year and they might have to make a tough decision on who to bench we literally said that everybody that says everybody that says we’re panicking about something always like they they never listen Eric they never actually listen it’s ridiculous Tori I mean no offense Greg but it is ridiculous that you would say that because well first of all scoot’s 20 not 19 uh but second of all uh do you know my feelings on the scoot aery situation like why are you putting words in my mouth yeah I would be fine with scoot coming off the bench next year and anony starting or whatever I would be fine if the Blazers chose anony over scoot eventually in that decision it but I don’t think it needs to be made right now um but like if scoot struggled this year if scoot’s awesome this year absolutely you got to move Simons eventually but I fine with them keeping both until scoot is able to prove without a doubt that he can handle that that uh role and uh so I don’t understand why you’re saying these guys are panicking when when did we say anything about scoot’s role or anything in this show like we didn’t say a word about scoot did we yeah that naming him as part of the rotation I don’t know man people people make up things that we say just so they can play by is silly um nobody’s panicking right now I’ve been pretty happy with this off seon but uh yeah sure we’re panicking I’m ready to run around the room and set my house on fire because oh no Jeremy Grant is still a Portland Trailblazer oh oh no um anyway shout out to Lucas deas with a 20 Rand donation says Portland wants first round picks and then in parenthesis recover 2025 first round pick plus young players Reeves plus ruy La want D rozan plus grant Chicago Johnson Robert Williams Gabe Vincent Jaylen Hino plus a first round pick Brooklyn want Russell Walker thall plus 2026 first round pick not have first pick in 2026 Lucas thank you for the donation I’m a bit confused that is a lot of names and a lot of teams um but I’m sure I’m sure it works uh I think the Lakers do want D rozan and Grant are they willing to pay the price for Grant I don’t know I don’t think that the Lakers are giving up Austin Reeves though I saw his name in there no chance one thing that people are not considering though if they do acquire someone with their midlevel exception or an assignment trade they’re hard capped if they just trade for Jeremy they’re not so they they might operate as a team above the tax and not use that mid-level exception which would mean it’s not a package deal so I don’t think it’s necessarily dependent on anything I think actually I don’t know if it mattered that much but if they would have gotten clay and LeBron took less I think then they’re going all in and they’re willing to give up the picks now I’m not not sure if they think Grant is enough so I don’t if they think Grant and D rozan is enough to me I’d be going after uh I don’t know like why couldn’t they get buddy healed for cheap right now yeah I mean I think they still go after Jeremy because ultimately like they’re they got LeBron so even if that’s not good enough I don’t think they’ll be thinking that as good enough I think they think of it as we got to give LeBron the best chance because he’s LeBron right and LeBron can even at this age maybe car a team through the West who knows like they made the Western Conference Finals uh a little over a year ago and then this past year you know they uh who’ they play again oh Denver they played Denver again and lost in five but all the games were competitive it’s not like they’re not close to being competitive against the best teams in the west like maybe they would have beaten OKC who knows playoff game of matchup so you need that third guy and then you need a little bit more shooting Off the Bench as you said LeBron when he’s surrounded by shooters really really good Jeremy Grant 40% three-point shooter at the power forward position you’re not going to find that anywhere else yeah I mean like there’s been talks that like Gary Trent’s not even going to get the tax mid level yeah at this point like just sign him doing minimum or like I’m sure he’d like to play in LA if he doesn’t get an offer more than the minimum so I I think you can you can find Shooters man right now there’s some available on this list so trade for trade for uh Grant and then pick up one of those Shooters and you’re set I think yep River Morrison says what if scoot doesn’t develop right now he sucks on both offense and defense teler never developed we’d be wishing we had Simons I mean what if the team moves to Seattle what if you know what I mean like that’s not going to happen scoot’s not going to be the same player he is right now in three years I just don’t really understand like the um the like Doomsday hypotheticals regarding scoot’s development he’s going to get better he works hard he got better throughout last season at the end of the year he had some really really good moments he still has to has a lot of room for improvement but the fact that he improved in the middle of last season as much as he did should show you that he’s going to develop into something in the league maybe it’s a bottom tier starting point guard in the league maybe it’s an All-Star I don’t know but he’s not going to be Sebastian Telfair I feel very confident in that um so I just don’t really understand that like we don’t keep we should not keep Simons because we’re worried that scoots Sebastian tare I just think logically like you got to let it ride with Scoot and worst case scenario if he doesn’t ever become a starting caliber player then you’re screwed because you need him to become really good you’re not screwed because you gave up Anthony Simons um I see I’m I’m of the opinion I don’t think it’s bad to keep both for another year um I just don’t think that’s the conversation though yeah I know I’m just saying like I don’t I don’t think they should be in any like half to trade anony like we talked about Grant um I don’t know Chancey Scott one involves like ruy and Gabe Vincent and then connecton first and one involves ruy and gave Vincent and twofers um did you hear Chris brousard taking shots at Portland today what was Chris brousard saying and why was he taking shots at Portland how are we even relevant enough for him to take shots at us it’s probably the city maybe tribe says is Cronin alive does he even know free agency started what he signed manah no he sign manah he knows what were you expecting Cronin to do we’ve already discussed this they had no roster slots available they have no money available what who do you want him to sign yeah they’re not signing anyone it’s just traits it’s just trait this is a trait talk stream basically um unfortunately this is two years in a row who knows when the next time we use our midlevel exception will be Eric yeah didn’t use it last year not going to use it this year best case scenario Eric we use our mle to absorb salary in a trade to create a giant trade exception yeah but that doesn’t really feel like using it you know um chony Scott also says would you want Vincent or DLo um neither yeah I don’t we take them back in order to get the first pretty pretty simple yeah um I yeah I would if we’re flipping him obviously DLo has more value um so I’d take DLo and also he’s an expiring Vincent has a couple years left so I’d take DLo if I had the choice um if I was stuck with that player on the roster and couldn’t trade him I’m probably taking Vincent just because he’s probably more of a like a bench leader type like brownen was last year without needing to play or not being good enough to play minutes over anyone yeah gab Vincent isn’t good that signing was kind of ridiculous I thought um yeah he wasn’t even that good in Miami but you know Miami makes mid players look good so you got to sign them Kendrick nun Gabe Vincent someone’s going to get injured have to take that into account when you’re rebuilding though you don’t want to have to have an injury to play your young gu proper minutes to develop yeah well also I mean if they threw in like Jaylen H Chino or something like I know you don’t like him but that’s if as your third guard or something off the bench for injury purposes that’s fine I think it’s better than Gabe Vincent yeah yeah or you could always if you if you make a trade where you you make several moves and you need to sign someone to a as a third guard I don’t think that’s bad either shot sha says these dudes talking about lior trash players although I don’t want anyone from the Lakers roster LOL so so we’ll reiterate this because you may not have heard us say this before it’s not about the players we’re getting back it’s about the draft picks or Dalton connect the we have to take back some salary though because the Lakers have to match salary in order to bring in Jeremy Grant who makes 30 million so the Lakers have to send out like 23 $24 million of salary so we have to take somebody back that we don’t want those deals are just included in the trade to help us help facilitate us getting back future first Andor Dalton connect so don’t focus on the names and how good they are or bad they are like sure yeah you’d rather have better contracts back than worse contracts but ultimately you care about the first you care about connect yeah chy Scott first of all please hit this button on your keyboard that says caps lock one time just one time only just push it and then you’ll be good to go um and then second of all um I mean I’m sure Tori would want connect if you got to choose right um between that and a protected first yeah if it’s like a top eight protected top 10 protected first I’d rather have connect if it’s unprotected first I kind of rather have the unprotected first but I’m just a connect fan so there is some a little bit of bias there yeah but there’s there’s three assets the 2029 first the 2031 first and dalon connect I think either of us would be over the moon excited about it if we got two out of the three yep and that’s what the Blazers need to hold out for um so it doesn’t matter what the other combination of players I could care less what that combination is uh as long as we get two out of those three assets I’m willing to deal with whatever contracts have to come back in that situation yep um this dude says School or sharp goes down for the season then what y’all be crying about how we should have kept an bro we’re rebuilding we’re not trying to win games next year if scooter sharp goes down it makes it more likely we get Cooper flag That’s the Silver Lining we’re going to be upset if scooter sharp goes down because they go down and they need playing time to develop them but we are we are not focused on winning next year we are focused on building a contender years from now so it doesn’t really matter like that in the way that you’re you’re saying it like we’re not going to wish we kept in if we get a good trade package for him because scoo got hurt and honestly dude I’m sick of this crap why do you keep saying you guys you guys you guys I want to keep Anthony Simons I do not want to trade him quit telling me that I’m going to be sad that I’m going to be crying when we don’t have anony cuz you wanted to trade him I don’t want to trade he will be crying are you talking about listen to what we’re saying I will literally be crying yes tears of sadness because we traded him like what are you talking about dude oh man I get so sick when people like either think we’re the same person and can never they have to group us together or just think they know what we feel based on stuff like it’s it’s so dumb man like you didn’t know that I speak for you not once have I ever said I’ve wanted to trade Anthony Simon or do anything with Anthony Simons even last year when we were talking about how we had to trade Anthony Simons I was still sad that it was that we had to trade anony Simons to help Dame like I I feel like it’s just I don’t I don’t understand why people come in here and and just like say this crap manely not trolling three more um anyway Tory want Simons 2 we all do together forever ha uh I mean I I don’t really care either way I think they need to trade one of Grant and Simons I’m hoping they trade Grant and Simons like if they could get back a really good trade package for Simons I would do it in a heartbeat I just don’t think that’s realistic so my want to keep ant is more so like the asset I don’t I’m not as high on like his potential to be a superstar or whatever um as Eric is or like an Allstar like top 20ish player in the league like I’m not that high but I still think a lot of this fan base wildly underrates Anthony Simons and Anthony Simons is a good player if you hear me talk with Steven vaugh you’ll hear me defending anony Simons a lot in talking up ay Simons if you hear me discuss Anthony Simons with Eric it’s probably going to seem like I’m a little bit more negative on Anthony Simons so uh I think you know an a good player he has some he has a couple of flaws but he can score on all three levels his playmaking improved last year he played with a ton of gravity who knows what he’s in next to like if he can play next to better teammates who knows what he looks like on a winning team I don’t know well there’s see I’ve I’ve said this for years before Anthony Simons um what it was Damon CJ uh and a different coach and all that kind of stuff I feel like the Blazers for this entire time um since you know 2015 when they lost Aldridge and uh their two main Wing Defenders Batum and and Wes uh I mean they’ve had guys like aminu and and harkless which are fine but the Blazers um it it’s gotten worse basically every year since the Western Conference finals run where we put our guards in particular we try to hide them and by hiding them they get mismatched onto bigs and have to guard inside way too much for my liking and it just puts them in horrible positions and I don’t think there’s many guards in the league that could be a good Defender if they’re forced into the positions that we put our players in and so now we have a legit point of attack defender in AA and also a hopefully uh topnotch uh maybe not right away but you know Clingan should be uh an above average at least defensive Center uh that we haven’t had that in a while um so maybe like nerk pre-injury uh was that way but um I don’t think he’s the same as if Clingan pans out to what he could possibly be um on on the defensive end um so I want to see if having an abdia tman and Clingan can help our guards become better Defenders I I want to see that plays out before just saying oh this can’t work or this guy’s terrible when I’ve watched him try to guard like a LeBron inside or Anthony Davis or a Damonte sabonis or whatever and you’re just getting switched in the restricted area like 10 times a game and getting dunked on or laid up on um so like I want to see how that plays out on defense if all our guards sharp scoot anony benefit from having better defensive players around him and we’ve already said this for years that if you are going to make a smaller lineup work you have to have the ideal four or five lineup now do I think abdia and Clingan are ideal I have no idea I mean they are both good on defense so they should be better than anything we’ve had in recent years um but realistically I mean what’s to say that’s not a really good pairing that helps the guards free up and be and look better uh defensively and then offensively if scoot takes a Jump Sharp takes a jump I don’t see how aony spacing the floor can’t help them um become better versions of itself like if it helps open the paint for scoot I don’t want to use anrey exclusively off Ball but he still get opportunities when scoot’s on the bench as the point guard or whatever um and they it don’t have to be like 100% one way or the other but I would use scoot as the primary ball handler and use Anthony off screens and off ball a lot more and run some of those watch Yukon sets what Donovan talked about in his um pressor like go watch every game of Yukon and incorporate some of those sets that he’s been talking about and wrinkles into the offense and see if you can free up your Shooters off ball like that and then see if scoot can just navigate the whole offense and be a be a wizard passing the ball and all that kind of stuff I I don’t see a problem in seeing one more year with that I don’t think it hurts anyone’s development to have anony spacing the floor or anything like that I mean I just if you’re going to use ant like that if you have the shot creation ball handing ability passing of scoot sharp AA the passing of clink in longterm like wouldn’t it be better to have a similar shooter that is a much better Defender that doesn’t have the same on ball juice since you have a lot of the creation covered but we don’t I mean that’s sure I mean we who is that player I’m not sure I’m just talking hypothetically I see in my mind like obviously if you could like I’m just try say like who if you could pick hand pick any player in the league who would that be I have not thought that far I mean I’m sure you can find a player that fits that mold I can think about it and probably get you a name that makes sense of a dude that’s not like I don’t know it’s it’s tough to completely look past some of the advanced defensive metrics like there’s a lot of noise that goes into them a lot of those metrics have is the worst defender in the League last year so I don’t know I try not to put any stock into him but it is tough to look past some of them it test didn’t really match up with him being the worst defender in the league but if you’re trying to be a top five to 10 defense can you play anony Simons 35 minutes a game with scoot who might not be good with sharp who might not be good I don’t know scoot was a worse Defender than ay I don’t care what the numbers say scoot was awful on defense last year I mean scoot’s a 19-year-old rookie he should be awful I understand that I’m just saying like it’s it’s not a guarantee that scoot is a better Defender than a oh I know I know but I have more faith in scoot given that he’s n 20 years old right now coming off a rookie season than a I don’t know um I think an’s a better Defender than the metric show I just think he’s like below average I don’t think he’s quite horrible he had a game one he looked really good defensively and then he got hurt and then I didn’t really see the same level of intensity when he came back now he was playing for a bad team that was tanking but he said he wanted to take the bad Defender label out of his name in Game one it looked like he was ready to do that like he has some impressive moments defending Kawai uh we got blown out in that game but you could make the case that he was our best defender that game and just playing with the most energy on that end and then he came back and I don’t know it just wasn’t really the same level of intensity as I saw game one um you know there could be a bunch of different reasons for that of course coming back from injury not being in game shape cuz you only got to play one game at the start of the year before you got hurt um there’s there’s just a lot of metrics that hate him and I’m kind of curious as to like why exactly that is like which metrics pour into some of these like EPM estimated plus minus is like an advanced defensive metric there where a lot of things pour into it which can make it kind of noisy but I’m just curious like what specifically is causing ant to be so bad in that metric defensively well I think it’s the 10 times the game he gets caught under the basket against the center of power forward yeah but wouldn’t scoot then be just as bad like 3.5 scoot is 2.6 cuz he’s in the same situation wouldn’t sharp be just as bad then cuz it’s not like those guys are good Defenders and chony also put those guys in the same position yeah I mean sharp has a lot smaller sample size but wasn’t he I I want to say his rookie year he was at the very he was last in defensive EPM for a long time I think and then might have rose up at the end of the season but um yeah I don’t know yeah I had a I had an advanced account if somebody has a dunks and threes account let me know what Sharp’s defensive EPM was uh last year uh because I am I am curious in his rookie year yeah in his rookie year um yeah see it was disappointing to me his defense last year um because I felt like he had made some good improvements that kind of went on notice two years ago and I felt like last year he went back to falling asleep too much up ball and yeah um that kind of stuff now we know for a fact when you have a huge offensive responsibility that your defense suffers I don’t care who you are it’s really hard to keep up when you have to create offense constantly than to have 100% effort on defense that’s not an excuse uh I’m saying but that’s exactly why I would let scoot take over majority of the ball handling duties to kind of alleviate that and see if you can get him to not have lapses on defense yeah yeah I think you know that that reasoning goes a certain distance and then you know like you still got got to be focused off the ball maybe you’re not playing with a ton of energy but you can’t fall asleep um so I don’t know like that’s this is why if they got a good package back Frant I am completely fine with trading them but it’s it’s not realistic so at that point you got to keep them it’s pretty simple for me because if you trade them you clear up Touches for scoop for Sharp you clear up minutes in the back court you start both of them in the back court with havea at the um you know the three maybe uh in long term that might be the best combination and you can just kind of give the keys to the offense to sharpen scoot whereas if you have ant and if you have Grant like I feel like the keys are going to be in those guys hands um I agree with playing an Loma more off the ball to give scoot more on ball reps I think that would be good for scoots development and you know would be a better fit I just wonder if you’re doing it too much where you have ant off the ball how much are you defeating the purpose of an in the first place which is that he can do stuff off the dribble MH so these are things I I think about I don’t know um what do you think ant’s trade value should be Eric uh well one one thing real quick about his defense uh that’s I’ve been saying this for years to you know this I want whoever it is especially if we’re going to run drop just stop hiding the guards just put them on the best guards the ball handlers and let let kingan do his job at The Rim let Denny do his job like let Grant do his job if he’s here um like quit trying to hide them in the corners um just like cuz you know how many times did Grant get beat off the dribble and then like I said we have anony as our rim protector scooter is our rim protector and we’re we don’t have people in the right positions uh so I feel like I’d if we’re going to get beat off the dribble and play drop or get screened and not fight through screens I’d rather have that be Scoot and and aony getting cooked on screens and then you have your good Defenders back there backing them up yeah in terms of his value though um I well first first I did find my account for dunsen 3 Sharp’s defensive EPM his rookie season was the same as scoots negative -2.6 yeah Anthony simons’s which was much better than what it was this past year yeah which is interesting and I feel like last I feel like last what’s up two years ago we had Dame last year he took over as the lead guard and had a ton of I mean if he’s but if he’s that good he has to be like a little bit better defensively absolutely I 100% agree I’m not everything I said about anon’s defense I completely agree he needs to be better I just want to see if having Elite Defenders like abdia and Klan could be if that helps him become a little bit better um I just I just want to see how that works yeah um I think in order to be a top five defense you have to have two great Defenders and one good defender in your starting lineup and then you have to have a couple guys that like will at least be okayish off ball and not get back cut all time that sort of thing um and if you don’t have two great Defenders you need one like absolute Game Changer like a wemi or a goar I don’t know if kinged will get to Game Changer level I think it’s more likely he’s a great defender avdia is a great defender I think in the starting lineup you also need another guy like Kamar um I I feel really good about the defense long term if Kamar and afd are your starting forwards and kingan is your starting center it’s just the offensive questions like you have to have a uh two star guards I think you know that that front court maybe would have made Damon CJ work or Damon ant work um but you know that’s the thing is is who’s that back court um and even if you do have two star guards is that front Court good enough offensively to win with them I still don’t know it depends on what kingan turns into if he can turn into a shooter it depends on Kamar um becoming a better shooter so he doesn’t get played off the floor and in the playoffs yeah yep we have another donation T plays with the $5 donation do you guys think coaching can kill a player’s potential um I don’t think like fully but it can hurt a player like coaching matters with Player Development ultimately I think comes down to the player to get into the gym in the offseason and work on their game and improve their game and if they do like most coaches are going to uh find a role for them play them and give them enough opportunity that they can grow from it but there are definitely better developmental coaches yeah well let’s just say chanta is the worst coach ever for scoots development like I’m not saying that’s true let’s just say it is hypothetically I would still say it’s more important for sco to be working his butt off individually this off season and improve his game on his own than it would anything that the coach did to him um the only thing that I’ll say that is a major factor when it comes to coaching and development and stuff like that is um a coach can absolutely kill a player’s confidence and um we know a lot of players um like uh I’m trying to think of an example this is probably a bad example but like Myers Leonard when he was young like if he turned the ball over he would get yanked out of the game immediately um I’m trying to I know there’s some other players like that too uh in recent years for the Blazers um there’s so like you can absolutely have your confidence uh and you’re like you don’t want to have young players like constantly worried about messing up you want them to improve to where they’re not messing up but you also don’t want them to feel like they can’t ever make a mistake because even the best players in the league average three or four turnovers a game so like they’re going to mess up sometimes you can’t be perfect on a basketball court this is impossible so I I do think that a coach can kind of with your psyche a little bit but ultimately you can be as good as you want to be if you put in the work so I don’t I I think it’s that’s more of a factor than coaching yep anyway uh any other like big talking points you want to discuss on this stream um we had nothing happen once again while we were live disappointing man just want something anything yeah yes why don’t you eat steak I don’t like steak man that’s why shout out to Conan dun with a $5 donation can we trade the other 2029 in the future now that the Wizards get the second best out of the three don’t recall it being a specific 2029 yeah so basically right now since they get the second best of the three we get the best out of the three and we get the worst out of out of the three so what we can do is we could go trade the worst 2029 first of Boston Milwaukee Portland or we could go trade the best 2029 first out of Boston Milwaukee Portland or we could even go to another team and say you get the best 2029 first out of Boston Milwaukee Portland but it’s top eight protected and if it falls in the top eight then you instead get the worst of 2029 first between Boston Milwaukee Portland so there’s like all sorts of ways you can trade picks like that um basically it just we had three first and now we only have two and there’s just stipulations on the two where like we will get the best and the worst so we can trade the best or the worst and actually uh so I believe you know the so we got that 2025 first round pick uh for Milwaukee that was top four protected yeah u in the CJ trade yeah that was unprotected to New Orleans and they traded it to us with top four protections we trade it to Detroit Detroit trades it to New York for Jaylen Duren and then New York just traded it to Brooklyn now uh in the mcale trade um it’s still top four protected through all those other trades but if that ends up in the top four New Orleans actually gets the pick next year so if something happens with Milwaukee next year Dam and Yannis knock on would hopefully this doesn’t happen they get hurt and uh they enter the Cooper flag Ace Bailey uh tayori uh conversation uh New Orleans Pelicans would get the Bucks pick even though they traded it for uh for CJ a long time ago yeah that would be that that’d be so crazy and of course the Pelicans originally got that when they traded Drew holiday to the bucks right that’s crazy yeah it comes full circle it all comes full circle uh yeah so you can always if you get unprotected picks like Portland has Boston’s 2029 or Portland originally had Boston’s 2029 unprotected they could have went and Lottery protected it and traded it to another team or Portland kept it in the lottery or went to another team if it wasn’t so you can always word things in very weird ways regarding traded picks um Portland could Portland like could sit there and say we want the right to swap that worst of Portland Milwaukee Boston for the Lakers pick if we’re trading them Jeremy Grant and then Portland would have the right to the best of the Lakers pick how do I how do I word this verbally in a way that makes it make more sense then Portland would have the most favorable of the Lakers pick and the worst of the three teams pick so it come down between those two picks so and then Portland could swap that to another team if they wanted to and then you get something that’s just extremely convoluted doing the mock off season we build out team sheets and like list all the picks in in team sheets uh we have a Google sheet for every team that we run the mock off season if you don’t know what the mock off season is we get 30 people and we each run a team and follow all CBA rules and keep track of all all moves with Team sheets and it’s always fun to to go look through the picks and then like list them with all the stipulations but it can be a headache too because you get some wild stuff yeah Landon uh says wouldn’t the Bucks get it since it’s protected 1 through four for Milwaukee not New Orleans no they traded it unprotected to the Pelicans and the Pelicans traded it to us so the Pelicans keep it if it’s 1 through four because that’s the terms of the agreement that uh Cronin agreed to which I don’t know why he agreed to that but yeah yep easiest way to follow along Milwaukee traded it for any pick 1 through 30 unprotected so New Orleans had it any pick through one for one through 30 and then they traded it while protecting picks 1 to four so then Portland got it 5 to30 and New Orleans kept it one to four uh shout out Peter we got Peter in here with a $20 donation but there’s no message Peter if you meant to leave a message feel free to leave it in chat we read it off oh he said hey my boys another year let’s do this fun off season so we got to move Simons and Grant and go all in on flag I absolutely agree on Grant and I would like to move Simons if he can get the right offer I just don’t know about that trade market I 1,00% agree though on hashtag Capture the Flag yeah the problem is best case scenario we still only have a 14% chance of capturing the flag unless another player moves up into that that first pick conversation um there’s some other guys in next year’s draft though man no I know there is um but uh yeah Hugo Gonzalez give me Hugo Gonzalez what position is he small Ford Okay small for he’s like do it all like high feel smooth game athletic yeah but like look at what happen with the Pistons the last two years they have the best odds and then fell the five both times which wouldn’t be bad in this draft I’m not saying it’s bad I’m just saying like you know it’s more than likely it’s a 14% chance of getting flag if he’s the number one pick yeah I mean somebody has to get him though you might as well give yourself the best odds in the position that they’re in yeah because if you get him or if I mean maybe Ace baile looks really good next year I know some people are a little lower on him but like he could be the next PG like he has the skill set right you get the next PG you get the next PG I’m very happy with that you if you’re able to add that type of player to this team it’s a total GameChanger so if you’re able to if you’re able to develop Scoot and sharp properly and then you’re able to get a star at like a small forward or power forward position you play off Dia at the other forward you got cing I I feel really good about that team moving forward especially with a bunch of draft Capital where maybe you can turn future draft Capital into another star then you’re cook uh so we just got to set ourselves up in that position yeah um also Peter we did talk at length about trading AIA Jeremy I know you’re probably busy and didn’t have time but if you want uh more in depth on our thoughts on trading both those guys we did talk about that a lot earlier in the show yeah yeah like past 30 minutes like 30 minutes ago proba when that conversation started um no tweets are do we have any rumors man do we have anything at all well uh uh someone said that they heard that Grant Miami would be interested in Grant I don’t know if that’s just an actual rumor or not I I don’t know I’d have a hard time seeing what the negotiations would look like between Cronin and um whoever does their negotiations I forgot the guy’s name from last summer not Pat Riley the their GM Aaron Gibson or something like that can’t remember what his name is maybe someone in chat can help me out I got somebody on Twitter trying to tell me thyo can fetch a first round pick because he’s all defense it’s like bro he made all defense before we traded for him and we traded two seconds for him I’d love for D to be worth a first but anyway what’s next Eric we just we stream Mondays Thursdays until a trade happens is that where we’re at Prett much I guess I mean if there’s like a big NBA trade we could talk about it I guess but yeah if there’s rumors like ramping up then we might go live before a trade is official depending on the time of day but at this point I I don’t know man Portland could be done it could have literally Eric it could have literally just been we’re trading for AFA and Drafting kingan and that’s it the off season could have only take tooken place in one single day which was the first round of the draft or they could have fireworks left in them I’m not sure uh Landon says could we not have gotten Josh Green for thyow in seconds considering Charlotte got him cheap but we already know Dallas values matis so the whole thing there was Charlotte was able to take on uh Josh Green’s contract um yeah because Golden State didn’t want to take on salary and Dallas has to worry about staying under the hard cap now but you know what Eric what we could have done that if we weren’t so close to the tax well yeah for all the people that you’re panicking about the tax sorry to steal your thunder but I I had to make sure you were going there with that because yeah when Tori and I talk about being in a position to take advantage of stuff like that that’s exactly what we’re talking about and why it’s stupid to be worried about getting under the tax instead of what Charlotte did and basically got Josh Green for free and I’m not saying Josh Green necessarily but any number of those players um like that that you know teams have to move and you make get paid assets to take them or if it’s a good enough player you get them for way cheaper than you would have ever gotten him before because you can absorb his salary so that’s why I think any rebuilding team would be smart to be in those positions unfortunately for the Blazers uh they do not they were not in that position and I honestly I mean this might change back if they struggle or they might move pieces later on but just because someone signed someone to an offer sheet does not mean they still would trade for a player have value or value a player higher than they would have um before because um I think I mean why would they need thible anymore you know like yeah it’s it’s hard to make them money work it’s just funny because I took a lot of heat for not wanting to match thyo and it was like I’d rather just have the future flexibility I’d rather not have to worry about ducking the attacks I don’t think he serves a purpose on this team as we enter a rebuild and people are like how could you not want to match if former all defense a player blah blah blah blah blah if we didn’t match thy we would have had enough room below the tax to get Josh Green by absorbing him into our midlevel exception which is a new rule under the CBA you know and and that’s why it kind of drives crazy when when we talk about the tax before the offseason and a big part of the conversation is like even if you duck it you still don’t have the flexibility you should in a rebuild and then we duck it and people are like see you panicked for nothing and then it’s like we’re still not in position to capitalize on a good opportunity like being able to absorb somebody like Josh green and it’s like that’s half the point in the first place and you also have to use Malcolm Brogden as an expiring contract instead of getting anything for him yep yep but no we’re the idiots yep so anyway um someone asked uh let me see if I can find it real quick uh Peter been doing his scouting I like it I like it yeah I like your list there too I’m impressed um I can find it but uh someone asked why uh the Blazers haven’t welcomed Denny yet and that’s because um the the Denny ofia trade cannot be official until July 6th anything in the um because the Denny was on a poison pill contract which means he was in his fourth year as a first round draft pick and had signed an extension and if he didn’t sign that extension he would be getting paid this summer right now uh with how much some of these players are getting paid um so luckily for us he signed that but because of that it didn’t really work for him to be traded to us uh prior because of some restrictions with contracts like that so we have to wait till the new league year for uh the salaries to work out and uh that doesn’t become official until July 6 so no one involved in the trade can uh talk about that trade until July 6th yep we had when all these moves become official yeah we had Peter put Liam mcne at six and then we have somebody that says Liam mcne shouldn’t be the top 50 and I just want to congratulate you two on having our first 2025 draft debate Eric who’s gonna who’s going to be your next shamsh I don’t know man it’s always kind of just a random thing yeah let’s let’s wait let me go look at NBA draft room let me go look at somebody that’s not mocked in the top 60 and uh yeah we’ll we’ll see here um Taylor ask do we have our 2025 first we owe Chicago through 2028 this will happen every year until that conveys or something different happens um if we’re in the playoffs we give Chicago our pick if we’re not in the playoffs we keep our pick but until it conveys oh I found I found the next Salon chomi that you’re going to like bogoljub marovic all right 610 from Seria skilled big who can shoot the rock but needs to develop his strength wait wait wait wait darn it I do have a guy I forgot his name what he can’t be a sham sh if you forgot his name bro no mitar bakovic no it has to be a power forward Center type that can has a little bit of Flesh as a skill stto Cil no it could have came out this year Hunter Dickinson no yeah no Hunter Dickinson is the type of archetype you hate um he’s not dra worthy though can you make it a guard this year at least switch it up I love Rob here yeah but I mean he was everybody had them most people had them top 10 I don’t know about that going to fall yeah and a lot of people thought that was ridiculous me included um yeah I don’t know I don’t know it’s hard to find there NBA draft room has like 180 players I get to the bottom I see Jamal Mashburn Jr anyway NBA did nothing on the stream NBA somebody poke the NBA with a stick please and maybe they will do something does uh does gavone have like a a big boy for 25 yet I don’t think so I don’t think so be cool to see what it would be though Peter tellum yeah I think not top 50 is wild he’s gonna be a probably a first round pick next year at the very least Lan ol brick sounds like an Eric sleeper yeah it does is that cuz ol rck and Old Brick rhyme there we go carter Knox yeah place the nugs I don’t understand that at all and I don’t really want to what did he say you know the hawk tuwa thing uh hwk Tua yeah whatever oh AJ’s here too oh no JP Savvy you’re probably better off for it anyway there’s someone with the best name ever next year we’ve already talked about it yeah Dame SAR Dame SAR man we’ll be live again either Thursday or if there’s like legitimate rumors regarding the Blazers maybe before then we will let you know Tori sounds like a grumpy 60-year-old how am I grumpy if anything I’m just tired if anything I’m just exhausted so oh grumpy because I don’t want to know the hawk Tu Tua thing maybe uh there’s a guard named Victorious there is a guard named Victorious there’s some cool names in the next couple of drafts maybe he’ll be my guy no that’s my guy CU my name is Victorious oh okay it’s what Tori is short for who has more value Grant or cam cam Johnson uh Jeremy Grant does or should JP Savvy correct it’s spelled with a dash just like that MBA draft.net drives me crazy oh who do they have number one right now well they have Cooper flag a Bailey that’s fine uh but no they have Ryan d uh Justin Edwards on here what for their 2025 this was updated in April though yeah where did they have gonna go back Ryon 34 to Portland where did they have who was the other one Justin Edwards 38 yeah steady he went undrafted that’s why I look at NBA draft room yeah I know I was just goofing around yeah it’s always a trip to look at NBA draft do it do a 2025 mock draft we wouldn’t know how to bro I’m I I know the top of the draft a little better a little earlier than normal so I’ll try and stay ahead but you guys are going to have to wait until like November December which I don’t know November’s only four months away Eric Blazer season starts in three months well you know it’s cool with that’s the only good thing about so many players going back to school you got your guy tyan Grant Foster I know uh top 10 Prospect tyan Grant Foster Hunter Salis 37-year-old tyan Grant Foster coming into the league are going to draft him the top 10 baby maybe that’s who we’re taking for next year you didn’t know oh yeah wait I think tank ofon T can we do ton wait can we do ton I think I think I saw a tweet that they updated it and did their first official Sim and it’s like standings PR projection we got like the ninth pick or something I think I don’t know it was bad uh yeah we can do it we can do a take let go why not why not uh is this set up properly this is not our first tank ofon of next season okay this is like unofficial but it is our first it does not count until there’s actual records like not projected records yeah uh they have a sixth they have only one Western team being worse than us that’s Utah Trevon says to do the mock draft screen not the regular screen why just so we can see prospects and stuff fine Trevon I I I want Trevon to do this so bad you know how he like waits till the mock off season and then does he like Scouts like three players and then ends up liking one and that’s the only guy he talks about yeah I want him to start now and just be like a draft expert next year like yeah come on Trevon you can do it we believe in you how cool would that be if Trevon was just like a a draft Guru yeah that’ be funny bro look at look at these picks okay OKC Brooklyn Brooklyn Dallas Utah Brooklyn well yeah wasn’t it between Brooklyn and uh OKC I think it was like they owned like 10 of the picks or something like that over the next two years yeah something crazy like that that’s wild yeah you got Orlando Utah out outside the lottery you got two Orlando two Utah two OKC’s three Brooklyn Mike says ton in July is nasty work Robbie says ton in July is crazy LOL well that’s why we’re doing it crazy let’s reveal it do we get screwed cuz we’re honestly Karma should probably screw us since we’re doing this in July um but oh look at that Clippers logo beautiful beautiful so far it’s boring oh two Spurs picks yeah they have yeah Atlanta’s Atlanta’s yeah the drafts are going to start getting wild because you have a lot of unprotected picks coming up y k seven could be Portland it’s not Portland at 6 is it Portland it’s Detroit let’s go but Detroit gets Hugo though so they it’s good for them Portland moves up Karma doesn’t know us five Washington okay at four is Brooklyn at three is your Portland Trailblazers and we get Dylan Harper another guard at two is Charlotte and at one is Utah Ace Bailey with salon and Brandon Miller huh that’d be yeah maybe they maybe they take a so or something so who are you taking here Eric at three let’s just assume Dylan Harper is like 6’4 and a half without shoes 65 Ali Teri more than Harper as of right now I do too um yeah I don’t know enough about Hugo yet I haven’t done any homework on him if Trey Johnson was legitimately 66 like he’s good mik uh I was a little underwhelmed with him but he is huge and uh but we we drafted kinging so maybe that’s not a need Colin Murray boils is going to be the Blazers kinging next year if if we had traded aony by now I might just take BPA and take trayi yeah depending on how good scoot is obviously if scoot’s like awesome I’m probably not doing that but yeah depend how big does it say TR is 63 yeah g to measure I mean I’m just taking Hugo bro yeah I don’t know what these stats are from at all I don’t know enough because he’s supposedly a better shooter than this he’s he can play man he can play Samuel says anything happen still asking that question no we’re watching Hugo Gonzalez highlights instead nice top 10 plays a fast break dunk is a top 10 play he just blocked that shot yeah yeah play right there yeah you got to love the matis thall play him just making a man is this like a two game tournament okay what’s his number one play look like a pretty good form yeah he can shoot I don’t really know what this percentage is from 93% from the free throw line and 23% from three is confusing to me oh it’s because he played five minutes a game in 16 games it’s probably like Oh Real Real Madrid so that’s zero league right yeah although there there’s different levels of Real Madrid so I don’t know if he was on their main team or not yeah um so like when he’s like 17 if it was his main team seven if he was 17 playing on the main team I’m not sure but then that would be impressive I mean that’s pretty rare like Rubio and Luca did that kind of stuff but yeah oh obviously uh Wy too his shots a little weird but like his form’s good he is a little bit of a hunch he just seems like high feel high feel player though um of course we’ve seen that West come on I just like he’s just a smooth ball handler he’s a good ball handler um athletic enough like had some impressive mid-range stuff that we haven’t seen in any of these clips and I think should be a decent passer If he’s big enough to play the three which is going to be a question mark then then I like him why I like jerusa yeah I just think this this guy’s more has more burst a little more bouncy just a little quicker a little better like a shiftier just all the movement things are better with him um yeah so anyway didn’t expect to start viewing scouting tape in the middle of day two of free agency but that’s all we get cuz nothing is happening Anthony Irwin said well when I said I’d do another show tonight I figured there’d be something slash anything else to talk about going to take this rare opportunity to knock out early surely won’t live to regret this decision we’ll see we’ll see but I had to put him up on this feed because Jake fiser last thing he tweeted was being told the Clippers are working through options to bring Christ dun to Los Angeles from Utah by the way of sign and trade which is kind of confusing so that’s the latest update I guess is uh the Clippers signed Chris done and they might sign and trade for him anyway Eric anything else for this stream it’s been a fun stream uh yeah um yall think Milwaukee doing anything they signed Delon right Dame finally gets this guy maybe we should trade him Delano so they can have Delan and Delano I’ve been disappointed with Milwaukee so far I mean I know they’re probably going to be more trade oriented but uh yeah so far I like what Tommy did in the mackoff season yeah well I don’t think any of those moves are available to them unfortunately I know I know they’re a tough spot thanks Trevor appreciate you bro thank you for listening um yeah so we’ll see if there’s any rumors the next couple days if there’s legitimate rumors we’ll probably stream otherwise we’ll be live again on Thursday uh summer league starts when July 12th I think yeah so that’s in like 10 11 days it feels like it’s still a month away but it’s not so we’ll we’ll try and do like live watch parties I don’t know does have they said what times we play I think the schedule got released a couple days ago yeah yeah the schedule but like did they actually announce the times though thought there were times on there but yeah yeah there are um let me see hold on uh they don’t say if times are Eastern or Western what was the what was the thing that posted it KGW oh that’s well what time’s the latest game or it just as the Blazer games yeah I’m going to assume it’s specific time then if it was kdw yeah it’s just something you should specify yeah like basic stuff also uh MSN does not specify Fox 12 Oregon do they list a time zone with their times okay 6 p.m PST against the Spurs so I’m going to assume these are all PST Eric yeah Saturday July 13th 6: p.m PST that’s a good time and it’s a Saturday Monday July 15 5:30 p.m. PST that’s on NBA TV so we should be able to do watch parties for both those games Tuesday July 16th 5:30 watch party po game show for Blazers live uprise live that night yeah yeah exactly like that’s what we’ll do um Tuesday July 16th so the first game Sorry I should say the teams is against the Spurs so that’s going to be Castle vers Klean right the teammates from last year so that’s cool um the Spurs also have who else do they do they have rookie wise didn’t they trade all their other picks no no no no they trade 35 down to 36 with Indiana hold on they got someone cool I forgot though I’ll look it up I’ll look it up real quick um at 36 they got Juan Nunes and at 48 they got Harrison Ingram all right game two the Blazers play the Sixers so that’s going to be kingan versus Demona and Jared McCain also for the Sixers game three is Tuesday 5:30 p.m. I might have to skip wreck for this one because it’s the Washington Wizards at 5:30 p.m. Pacific Time on what day Tuesday so that of course is alexar ke George Bob Carrington Bob Carrington and they didn’t draft in the second but I mean that’s only have one rookie gosh darn it yeah maybe balal like plays who knows uh and then well we can pretend ruper is a rookie right yeah sure and then Friday July 19th against the Charlotte Hornets so that is going to be TN time nice what time was that that is at 8:00 p.m. on Friday dude I love it I think I can make all those games I was worried we’re going to have some early games and I wouldn’t be able to stream yeah no no we’re actually sets up perfectly who knows the fifth game the like consolation game um because they don’t do the tournament anymore I missed I miss the tournament that they used to do uh it made summer league a lot longer but Charlotte has KJ Simpson as well so that would be a good one snaggy says uh according to League sources Utah Jazz willing to help facilitate Chris Dunn’s departure to the Los Angeles Clippers through a signning trade as the Clippers continue to search for a new home for point guard Russell Westbrook likely via a third team was Russ gonna end up in Utah for a second again that’d be funny so summer league should be fun that was Tony Jones Okay summer league should be fun summer league will start uh in a little under two weeks Circle your calendars on the 13th 15th 16th 19th we will have live watch parties probably for all of them honestly it lines up pretty well so that’ll take you guys through middle of July the player review film stuff that I was going to do I want to do is just like a pure film study in August uh there should be more content in August I just have not had the time to uh to do all the film study stuff works been crazy and then you know draft crept up and wanted to get out other videos so uh it should be some good videos in August you know we go year round here and we’ll still stream in August and all that and then as we get into September we’ll get closer to the season hopefully we have a Jeremy Grant trade between now and then we’ll see we’ll go live when that happens whenever it happens even if it’s uh in August hopefully I won’t be uh at the beach or something but if I go if I take a trip somewhere and I have a hotel I will just take my mic and my webcam if we’re in that sort of situation I learned last year from the Dame trade you know that conditioned me to always be prepared I went to Hawaii last summer had to bring all my stuff just in case Alex says bro you guys have been working like crazy I respect the hustle thank you Alex thank you yeah I’m I’m happy to be past making graphics for draft and for agency and next year we’re reusing the same draft graphics and just building on them so it’ll be a lot easier on me um and next year the 1 hour 20 minute preview I actually get started on that a little bit earlier honestly the hope is next year I I have uh more full-time editors so it’s a little easier to do daily stuff cuz this off season was rough cuz I run a business and that is takes up some time and got a little burnt out a little burnt out as well so happy to just kind of relax and looking forward to Summer League that should be fun to watch the M actual basketball watch cling and see how he does hopefully he doesn’t get hurt in G game one knock on wood hopefully that doesn’t happen for the third year in a row Eric yeah but I’m excited to watch other guys with how much we focused on this draft so no Eric there is no truth to any of that I know you’re joking Eric Olen and then Eric osland you guys almost got the same name anyway anything else we’re out of here right yeah thank everyone for watching appreciate you all uh well I kind of hope I see you guys before Thursday but if we don’t see you till Thursday have a good couple of days and we’ll see you Thursday night or actually wait Tori that’s Fourth of July are we oh do want to do it a different night maybe we just do it Wednesday Wednesday or Friday yeah let’s just do it Wednesday let’s just do it Wednesday we’ll stream on Wednesday July 3D yeah all right that’s that’s easier Wednesday July 3rd we’ll go live 9:30 p.m. unless there’s rumors or stuff happening so maybe it’ll be a little sooner we’ll let you know join our Discord please join our Discord we’re trying to get that to a th members because then we get to do some cool stuff with the Discord our Discord we have game threads during the year we have cool stuff that’s where our mock off season takes place we want to grow that this year I’m going to focus more on the Discord maybe do some event stuff I don’t know we’ll see but uh join our Discord there’s a link in description box below if you don’t know Discord it’s uh just a it’s a uh place for Blazer fans to hang out is what our Discord is um and then merch link below if you want merch second Channel link below as well and uh yeah Eric and I think we’re good I think we’re out of here we’ll catch you again on Wednesday not Thursday 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Dynastys seem to depend on guys staying healthy for sure and you just never know how it all shakes out……good show boys
Grant could possibly be here til the deadline
Im not a scoot fan at all…….id love to see them trade scoot with grant…….even get a big exspiring contract and knecht and 2 first……but i dont know who they can get just a thought…….id rather ant start with sharpe and advija……toumani and ayton………if they keep ant and grant and everyone is healthy they wont be bad enough to get flagg
Ant would be great for the lakers
Avdia…kamara….jabari….ayton and clingin equals much better defense and great rebounding
THANK YOU, ERIC!!!!!!!
Grant doesn't rebound
They WILL If they have ANY Sense as upper management!!!
ANT Could be making $35m + on some teams as their main guard! ($25 – is a great contract for him)
J. Grant could also be a $35 or $40m + dude (he's as good as P. George rt now) & is on a friendly deal!!!
Go For As Many WINS as u can get & try to turn the corner!!!
Bcuz tanking DOESNT WORK & U Still end up w. a 14% chance of a good pick & are setting a BAD Precedent in young players minds & psyche, how to be LOSERS & U end up w. ppl like Nance Jr who's talent level doesnt match his success, bcuz he LEARNED How To be ok w. losing, in shitty cavs. teams… ; ]
If we want a "winning culture" it starts NOW by giving it 1000% & creating that "expectation" & belief & watching it start to manifest!
How come they can’t announce deni trade but Bud Carrington is allowed to be with Washington
Right on the money Orlando made a lateral move. They don’t know what they doing they just lucked into banchero/wagner
Simons is 25 lol that decision has to be made a year from now
You don’t have to understand basketball to be a GM. They don’t know what they doing they going off groupthink. Coaches/scouts different story but GM are by at large groupthink era