Ep 185 : The Rebuild Is On… What’s Next For The Bulls ??
[Music] oh my goodness it’s only pre-season but I’m hyped he F Jimmy buckets gets buckets oh my goodness give me the hot sauce Bill [ __ ] give me the hot sauce what are you doing drage did you not get the memo Derek Rose can go [Music] [Applause] upstairs hey the NBA off season is in full swing live lots of movement going on around the league we’re going to have Ricky O’Donnell join us in just a few minutes to talk about the NBA draft and the moves in free agency and what might be next for the Bulls but first want to welcome Whispers back you missed the show last week yeah thanks for having me back yeah nice to see you you’re still red as always well you know I had a a long weekend in the Sun so I didn’t really know he was gone I thought we I thought that we had a cardboard picture in of you know we do things don’t let don’t they Mark comp this is why the Beatles broke up he’s Y no come on Stay With Me Baby Stay With Me Whispers well the trip was worth it though worth it’s good yeah the guy I was meeting with he fell down and uh hit himself in the head and missed the meeting did you push yeah was he old guy no not really but he if you fall down and cck your skull you’re going to have a alcohol mix cowards with that’s exactly what happened yeah I I literally had one beer with the guy the next morning where you at wow I’m in the hospital with your badge so hey good luck today wow that’s that’s terrible but still had a a good meeting so it was all good and you guys had another good meeting you got some news on the hot sauce breaking news that’s right that’s breaking news Whispers tell our listeners we went to the Mariano’s guppy tank or the shark tank as they call tank and uh they said there’s going to be a panel of four or five people it was nine and so uh Mark Cuban there uh no no no but it it was it was very intimidating it was very yeah yeah there was yeah we had the sell saddle bags of sweat going no he did that guy did don’t play no no that guy did I was I was cool as a cucumber okay on the ride there with uh you know Mike uh Mike Driver from you guys ready I said yeah I sent a script to Stacy so we’re all prepared Stacy did you go over it no no let’s just Wing It Stacy’s a natural Talent he doesn’t need a script if you would have saw script Mark okay it wasn’t like like like a little paragraph it was like this huge this huge thing like a it was actually like a plate like preparation is what it looks like okay let me tell you something like what did I tell you before we left coffee is for closers right did I not say that you did okay and I closed the show okay so we get near Mark we’re looking for the place Tim gets us on the wrong floor so he gets us on we’re looking for we’re looking for 2 m looking for 2m he goes to two we’re walking around asking everybody I swear there must have been like some people just like been smoking weed or drunk cuz the people work there didn’t even know where 2m was it’s like only one elevator has two only one elevator has the one that doesn’t have 2 so then I go I think we should go to the elevator said 2m so we go to the elevator 2m then we end up going up into like this little like a what would you call that thing we were at a loft man it was like small my head was hitting pipes that’s how small it was right and then there was a guy in front of us who was selling was trying to get his dog biscuits in the in the store and there were legit people trying to get things in the store they had like probably over 50 people those T are pretty good though yeah dog treats well I’m not getting I’m not getting my dog you eat a couple oh sure yeah he ate one yeah that’s why he couldn’t talk when they ask some questions you like water but so so we waited our chance to come we got you know we got some chips and got some stuff that’s for the people to sample and we go out there and we just we knew I just knew it it was when we first walked out I was intimidated CU they didn’t they they didn’t even look at us like they wer even looking at us we walked in I was like oh the Stacy King effect ain’t going to work here and they didn’t ask you about your basketball no they guys were in a piston shirt that didn’t help yeah I’m telling you listen listen Mark Mark at that point we walked in I don’t think they really give a damn they were like they were they were just like doing this and cuz someone had just went in front of us so they were writing down maybe notes from the previous guy so the product had to sell itself it wasn’t Stacy King former NBA player I don’t think it gave I don’t think that really came into play until probably about five minutes into the presentation then just my my ability to just charm the room like a like a Snake Charmer I snake Charmed everybody in their room yeah I Charmed them you know you know when I was young I used to charm girls out of their pants but that didn’t I didn’t need to do that I didn’t need to do that Mark for the for to give me the hot sauce I just needed people to pay attention to me so statute limitations and they all started looking up at me and it was all over after that Tim did a great job too Tim did a Tim did a really good job look at that he did like throwing a manhole no CU he CU he had a he had a game plan of who’s gonna go first whatever and I said no you’re going to go first you’re going to set the table and you’re going to tell them about yourself and da d da and I’m going to come on and I’m just going to jump in I’m run with it and so it’s like pass It Baton the 400 the 4×400 relay give me the stick I’m bringing it home anchor man yeah and it was awesome it was awesome they when we got off you could tell we did good because as we were walking off first of all they were oh you guys are really good have you ever done this before like no never done it before they were so shocked that we had never done it before but you know you’re good when everybody else behind you coming up is like you know man you guys did a really good job man oh it’s tough act to follow that’s why I told the T we must have rocked it nice nice so when when will the product be in Marianos or is that still to be determined uh they said they’re going to do a followup next week and uh and we’ll get all the numbers done they they have all the numbers already so it should be good to go and there are 80 Mariano stores is that all in Illinois or they in different states in the midwest I think they got to be spread around I don’t know if that includes roundies or not I got to look at their their numbers because there were some roundies people there too yeah yeah there were some it was it was intimidating you know they they weren’t sharks but it looked like a shark tank presentation like because there’s really more if you really count there was like there’s probably 12 if you count the other three people were there so there was like 12 people in there and the the the judges were sitting in a you know sitting right in front of us you know so we had few tough questions too yeah they had real tough questions you know and I think the thing that helped us Mark was because we’ve been in Jewel before you know our product has been in Jewel we’ve had success there we’ve had success online so I think that also helped and then the sweet vocals of myself the the Snake Charmer I’m watching these bolts sticking out of the ceiling I’m like man don’t don’t yeah just let’s not everybody was concerned about me hitting my head on on the on the on the on the stuff that was hanging I was kind of concerned with it too but I was trying to get my head on so I can sue because there always an angle Mar always got a plan B there always a plan B if we don’t get we don’t get the roll I’m just laying on the floor told about missing a meeting because of a brain bleed I didn’t need another one oh yeah though it was fun it was fun shout out to Mike armaro from Wendy City he took us out there he gave us the he said hey you guys are going to do good he was he was a pep coach for Tim because Tim was really worried in the back of the truck he’s really worried and uh you know we came in with let me tell you something we came in with that we came in ready like we it wasn’t just the hot sauce Tim had a nice little he had a nice little setup the you know the lights came on I mean it’s all bells and whistles then we brought brought our display to the display right and they were amazed at the display because at first you know some people bring in like little flimsy displays and we brought that display and they were really like impressed by that pictures of it yeah they had they’re like this is very you know this is a very good display one guy said he could craw you know climb on it I was like don’t do that big don’t do that I don’t want you to fall brother but yeah but it was it was it turned out really good it was a lot of fun it was a good experience you know because you get to you know you had to go in there and win people over you know so I can imagine what shark tank is really like yeah and that’s those are huge dollars we talking about yes yes yes I I can see like that’s that’s intimidating and plus they you know the people on Shark Tank have to put on a show like you know and I you know we were prepared to do that Tim was prepared to you know dance and do whatever he needed to do get naked and show his chest his red chest whatever he needed to do to get the hot sauce he was prepared to do it and he and we left we said hey see you have to take your shirt off just like Christopher walin former uh song and dance man right yeah that’s right I was always a song and dance his nipples were hard too so that’s why I’m saying if he would have taken his shirt off I he might have hit everybody in the room are you so red from the sauce I said uh yeah yeah it’s really h no no no goes the lady goes do you need any water you need do you need some you need a aspirin you need a aspirin to bring down your blood pressure all stroke out he all red baby but made a red Tim that’s what I call him red Timmy baby we got the job down where to go boy Where It Go all right so until it gets in Marianos tell the folks how they can order some hot sauce online well Mark as you know it’s the 4th of July it’s America’s birthday and there’s no better time to fire up the grill some barbecue and some hot sauce put some wings on maybe a little green sauce in the morning with your eggs I mean what better way to start the day on the fourth with some V nice that’s right I’m really glad he didn’t do that at the thank God or Mike Tyson I’m glad I’m so glad he didn’t do that impersonation we might have lost well I didn’t tell you guys this but beforehand she’s like I mean who sponsors you guys like oh do have Mike tyon oh my God suffering Su attach yeah yeah I’m GL heyv America America if he would have done that it would have been over it have been a rrap we wouldn’t have won nothing wouldn’t have won anything he let’s talk a little basketball free agency is underway the Bulls since we’ve uh talked to you last with we had Casey Johnson on last week if you missed that episode make sure to check it out we covered a lot of topics Bulls related they’ve signed Smith the guy that Stacy talked about for a couple of years now yes finally listened to me I I wanted him when he was in Phoenix cuz he you know when he his numbers when he played were really really well you know he had to get minutes to play and he and then he you know ended up getting going to Indiana I don’t know if it was via trade or signing as phras I don’t remember but when he went there when he went there I was like man that’s the guy who I wanted to get and he played well in Indiana I mean look at his numbers he’s played well against Indiana he’s played well against the Bulls when he’s had opportunities they just had a long Jam of bigs you got you know Turner uh Jackson I mean cakam you got Obi toppen they just got so many guys and they just they probably just didn’t have enough money to go they probably wanted them but they probably didn’t have enough money to go get them and they wanted to use because they signed TJ McConnell to a big contract cakam got that big contract so there’s not a lot of money left for them before they have to go into that luxury tax part most so they they probably just said oh we’ll just let him go we got enough big guys and he fell right to the Bulls and you know another Young Piece and this is what I keep trying to Bulls Nation okay I get into Twitter battles all the time about this okay Bulls Nation the real Bulls Nation I know you know I know you understand what the Bulls are doing okay is for the people who are the Casual fans who don’t know okay listen you can build your team through the draft okay this was considered one of the weakest drafts ever in those the last 10 15 years I don’t think it’s weak I thought there was a lot of good players in that draft but you’re getting 19y old kids okay so with have no NBA experience so you bring a 19y old and you’re building your te through 19 year olds it’s going to take you five years minimum to see any kind of benefits from drafting those kids if any of them even pan out but what the Bulls are doing they’re going out getting established 22 24 year old players who have started games in the NBA who have starts under their belt who have played in rotations who have played big minutes in the NBA and they’re getting these guys at 23 24 years old they’re bypassing actually building through the draft by being able to get young established players to come in and be ready to play right away they I think they end up getting a really good player uh in the draft with the the big kid from uh hensville melis I think he’s going to be I think he’s going to be a stud um you know so I think they’re doing it the right way and I know a lot of people are frustrated like oh why are you getting this guy he didn’t do this you know Smith is a hell of a player giddy’s a hell of a player G giddy the first two years in the league was a stud in this league okay 16 17 points a game flirting around with a triple double he reminds you of a little bit of Alonzo ball type of player that can do so many different things uh then you go out and get Jaylen Smith uh who can rebound stretch five we needed a back Patrick Williams we got resigned Patrick and I know a lot of people are not happy about this but America Bulls Nation I’m telling you right now we had this situation with Kobe a few years ago when Kobe was coming back out from a torn laum when they brought zo in he had Alex Caruso you had a whole new team team and no one knew where Kobe was going to play no one knew what his role was people was like trade him when he came back he came back like maybe December he came back couldn’t make a shot oh he sucks trade him he’s trash uh he’s a bust now look at him he’s he’s on the cuss of being an Allstar next year if he can have the same season he had so that tells you stop giving up on these young players they’re hard to find good players are hard to find Patrick Williams has proven give him minutes give him an opportunity to play he can play this game he averaged 10 points last year doesn’t sound like a lot from a person that’s been in this league now three four years but you look at the guys the high volume scores that we had on this team you know Zack lavine’s gonna get 15 or more shots a night Demar 15 or more shots Vu you know 12 to 20 shots I mean the shot selection and Kobe Kobe was able to get you know 14 shots a game there’s not a lot of shots to give around for him to get as many shots he did in average 10 points temper the frustration temper he’s not worth that money he is worth that money and now he’s going to play his preferred position forward and they’re going to run plays for him he’s going to play small forward which is his natural position I thought everybody was out of position last year just just be honest the you know Demar is a two guard you had him playing small forward can he play small forward yeah he can play small forward but that’s not his natural position Patrick William playing stretch forward later in his career he can be a stretch four but early in his career he’s a he’s a three and D player he’s a guy that play needs to play small forward he’s a guy that he can shown that he can knock down the three he can show you can defend anybody on the floor and you have the versatility to move them to the four when you need to move them to the four if they go small so I’d like to see him at small forward and hopefully he gets to play that this year really interesting how the roster has changed just in the span of a few weeks the Bulls now have eight players that are going to play that are 24 years of age or younger so they’ve immediately turned into one of the younger teams in the NBA unfortunately with that we’re going to be very soon saying goodbye to Demar D rozan I know that’s pain ful for Bulls fans because he’s been nothing but a first class player and a first class citizen for the three years he’s been here unfortunately right now with the direction the Bulls are going they weren’t going to pay dear 3040 million a year and fortunately for dear the Market’s kind of dried up and now they’re talking he may have to take the mid-level exception for one year and then hopefully get a bigger contract next year in fre ages well and again Mark you have the nail on the head ultimate Pro you know guy that that really is great in the locker room with young players and still can get it done at a high level um unfortunately he’s run into a situation this is a kind of a slash rebuild retool situation to go younger uh does he fit in their long-term plans no um uh so that that’s going to be a tough situ could they bring him back for a one-year deal they probably could if they really wanted I if they wanted to do that but why because next year’s draft you need to keep that top 10 pick next think they want to win 40 games you got listen if we’re going if if this team with the young team that they’ve gone if they get into the playoffs hey that’s awesome they’re not supposed to but if they all turn out to be better than what we think and they come out and play hard and you know because there’s going to be six or seven teams in the East that are goingon to be just like the Bulls that this this young team could win more games than we expect but let’s be real that’s not what the goal is the goal is to develop these young players to position ourselves to try to get in that top 10 pick next year and not give it to San Antonio and if we have guys on our team like V and we have demard de R Roan and we have Zack LaVine that UPS your chance of that pick going to San Antonio so that’s something to Bulls I’m not a GM and I don’t play one okay I I did sleep at the holiday in last night but that’s that’s they’re going to have to make that decision and you know that’s a tough decision to make because you know see because sometimes you know AK seems like he doesn’t he doesn’t want to rebuild he wants to win now and then there’s other times where he says you know we need to go younger d d so you just kind of don’t know the direction but from what we’ve seen it looks like they’re retooling with young guys and I’ve always said this if I was if I was a general manager instead of going building through the dra i’ do just like AK do I would go get guys off of team’s benches that are not playing and and and that had some experience playing for them and I would bring those guys on my on my roster I’d save money that way get myself under the cap and I would get young players that have a high ceiling and that’s what he’s done with these guys he’s brought on this team yeah bad timing for demard Rosen you really kind of feel bad for him I mean a couple years ago he was all NBA he’s averaged well over 20 points a game in all three seasons with the bulls and even at guy who’s going to turn 35 before the start of the next season he’s still playing at a really high level but because of these new rules with the first apron and the second apron and the hard cap he can’t get a legitimate contract out there and it’s bad for sign trade yeah but see the problem want they want take all that money back that’s the only that’s the only way I mean because the Bulls could do a signning trade and because dear has been a good soldier here a good person they could could do that but that means they would have to take some bad contracts back and that’s yeah if you traded them to the Lakers you’d have to take the Angelo Russell back they don’t have any minutes for him no you know you want you’d probably end up just having to cut him because you’ve got no no run for him you know other guys on the Lakers you’re really not that interested in so that doesn’t work and I read something today Barry Jackson who writes for one of the Miami papers who’s very well respected in the league said the heat are sniffing around on dear they’re trying to find a sign and trade and I don’t I don’t know if the Bulls are are re to doing that at that level of salary because that means you would probably have to take back a Duncan Robinson who makes a lot of money uh it’s it’s tough because I know the Bulls want to do right by all these guys I mean they did that with Alex ruso trade him to a contender um and they want to do right by all these guys you know dear is really good in the community really good in the locker room and they want to take care of him but also this is a business at the end of the day it’s a business it’s not that they don’t want to do it it’s just how’s this going to make us better what impact is going to have on us yeah we can get you to this one a sign and trade situation but we put you in a better situation we get into a worse situation so that’s what you got to kind of look at as well I know Casey Johnson’s uh told us last week that the Bull’s first priority is trying to find a new home for Zack LaVine the problem is three years left on that contract they huge dollars and teams because of the new CBA are reluctant to take that on you know there’s been some talk that the Bulls would have to include a first round draft oh stop I’m 100% against bring Z bring Z in play yeah here’s what I said Mark hey if you’re the Bulls if you see that you’re getting low balled for him bring him in let him play this half a season trade deadline let everybody see that he’s healthy he’s gonna put up 25 points a game he’s going to be high-scoring dynamic player and you trade him at the deadline if that’s what you want to do with him but the way these teams now are it’s like they they they know the they know the Bulls are desperate to get rid of him they know that it’s been it’s been ever since last year’s trade deadline when the trade supposedly fell through with Detroit teams recognize like oh the Bulls are desperate to get rid of this guy so let’s let’s make him sweat a little bit well if I’m AK and Mark I’m like listen we’re gonna keep him let him play through let let everybody see he’s healthy let him everybody see he’s healthy and then at trade deadline if we still feel that’s where we want to go then we move them in and then maybe there’s first round picks tied to them because there’s going to be some team that’s toiling around the playoffs in that mid levels uh mid level in the playoffs is going to need a dynamic score and they’re going to see that they’re going to see LaVine and they’re going like yeah we need to get him because we maybe he’s the piece that we need now you see Golden State now Golden State didn’t want to make the move when they had Chris Paul and and Wiggins and they declined that one and they cut Chris Paul and now they want now you hear them they want to trade they’re looking for you know Zack LaVine now because Klay Thompson left Klay Thompson left got more money than what they were offering in Golden state which really is amazing to me because Golden State took care of everybody else and Klay Thompson couldn’t help those injuries that happened to him and when it was time to pay him even though you’re not gonna pay him Max dollars you say Okay clay what do you think is fair you you mean so much to this organization you help us win four titles what what do you think is fair you know he got like 50 million to play with Dallas and I think Golden State offered him like 40 two years they gave Draymond four years last summer yes and and I just don’t understand that and clay and I said this about Klay Thompson Klay Thompson I thought last year let the contract situation to impact his game no question and you could tell he just was not the same player he was kind of pouting and moing around and you could just tell that it impacted his game now he’s going to go somewhere and play in Dallas with Luca and you going to see Klay Thompson the old Klay Thompson he’s gonna be in a situation where Luca is gonna handle the ball find a excellent shooter and he’s gonna knock down jumpers all day long it’s going to help that team because that’s what that’s when they struggled in the finals is they had no one that can knock down a shot when it when it counted the most and he’ll be that guy we’re going to bring in Ricky O’Donnell just a couple of minutes before we we do that with more Bulls talk just want to ask you quickly pa George going to Philadelphia does that make them the second best team in the East or do you still like New York over Philadelphia oh man well it’s got to be a healthy embiid I think that was the only thing that held him back last year was a healthy embiid he was not the same embiid that he was in the beginning of the season because he was close to being the MVP caliber player when he went down with that knee injury if he can stay healthy that all depends on if he can stay healthy you know Philadelphia is the team to come out of the Eastern Conference I I I believe they beat Boston if he’s healthy you cannot come out there one-legged like he did last year they’re not going to win that yeah it’s going to be interesting too because they have to build out the rest of the roster they let so many guys go to preserve that cap space they got Drummond they got Drummond yeah they got they got Cub MB had his best year when they had Drummond because Doc Rivers was able to sit him down the whole third quarter and allow Drummond to go out there and play so that’s a great backup now they got to go in and fill in pieces uh UB is resigning with them he’s going to resign with them and some of their key players are back Paul George is going to give them a dynamic legit number two guy he’s going to give him a guy that you can put the ball in his hands at the end of quarters and he’s going to be able to make something happen he’s still a very good defensive player uh Tobias Harris to me like he was a legit he went to Detroit money he he he listen he’s a guy on that team he was forced to be the third option he’s really like the fifth option okay Paul George is legit onea to 1B situation so you’ve already upgraded at that position uh you got more athletic you got a better shooter you got a guy with a killer mindset and that’s going to help them and don’t forget Maxi who got the most improved player last year who shouldn’t have got the most improved player because he’s already been improved so he didn’t need it okay that should have been Kobe’s award but he’s going to be a year older and a year better that’s three legitimate star players allst star Cal players they’re gonna be a team to watch out for everybody talks about the West the East is kind of sneaking up too when you look at teams like Cleveland Orlando Indiana we haven’t even talked about Milwaukee you’re going to get a better at Damen Lillard next year so the East is going to be loaded up top Orlando to me is GNA be the next Oklahoma City team they’re going to be the team I think next year that takes that that huge jump and you’re going wow you know we saw this last year when they were in the playoffs and now they’ve tasted what the playoffs are all about the young players have tasted it and now they want more and I see them taking that same leap in the Eastern Conference as Oklahoma did in the Western Conference all right more Bulls talk coming up with Ricky O’Donnell but first we want to tell you about our good friend Nationwide agent Jeff vukovich he’ll treat you like royalty take care of all your insurance needs Auto home and business you can reach him at jeff.com that’s Jeff vu.com our favorite Nationwide agent the phone number 847 82547 eight3 and the jingle always on point whoa whoo whoo again Nationwide ladies ladies please don’t throw braws up here no no BRS n why is on your oh man I got him America he really didn’t miss me I got him I got him sorry Tito sorry Tito sorry sorry it’s Michael solo had tissue right over here it’s okay we’re g to try to cool off the room now and Ricky O’Donnell next on give me the hot sauce let’s do it Ricky it is a Command Performance by our guy Ricky O’Donnell he was on the show a couple of weeks ago previewing the NBA draft and he was so good on the show Stacy was so impressed Stacy so we got to get my guy Ricky back on so Stacy Stacy start us off what what’s the first thing you want to talk about Ricky Rick welcome back to the show I tell you what we had we had we had kind of similar opinions about certain things the Bulls should have done and they pretty much answered some of the questions that I had as far as like I know I’ve been arguing with people on Twitter in the last couple days about the youth movement the Bulls are going into um my argument with people is is that you can build your through the draft if it’s a good draft this last draft was was considered not really a good draft there were some good players in it but it wasn’t a good draft we got a good pick and uh you know our guy uh but at the same time the Bulls are going getting guys off rosters that are 22 23 years old that have career starts that have played in this you know played meaningful minutes and they’re being able to get those kind of guys on their team which is kind of offsetting a complete rebuild do you feel that’s what they’re doing totally yeah I mean you know it really all comes down to Demar right and it seems like dear is not going to be on the Bulls next year he’s going to be somewhere else and when that happens the Bulls are going to be a significantly worse Team without Alex Caruso without Demar D Roan probably without all the clutch luck they had last year too which added about 10 more wins to the team uh but at the same time I do Wonder like you know it’s not a coincidence that when the Bulls are trying to rebuild they pick number seven it’s seems like they never really go all in on the tank it seems like when they’re trying to compete they never really want to pay enough to compete at the top of the league so I think you know you’re looking at what I would call more of a soft reset this year than a hard tank I look around the league and I think you know the Bulls are not going to be worse than the Pistons they’re not going to be worse than the Wizards they’re not going to be worse than the Nets who knows about the Hornets and the Raptors and that’s just the east and then you look in the west and you know you expect the Spurs to be better because wenyama is so great but like they haven’t done anything this offseason it seems like they want to get in the cooper cooper flag that sweep Stakes as well and then who knows what the Jazz do with marinin so I look around and I think the Bulls seem to be attempting to protect their 2025 draft pick owed top 10 protected to the Spurs next year and it’s true that you know regardless of what happens you still need to get really luck in the draft lottery the Pistons won 14 games last year and they picked fifth so you know even if they’re not going to be the worst team you can still get lucky jump up to the top but I don’t really look at this as an outright tank even if D rozan leaves because you’re gonna add Zack LaVine who you know for all of his flaws is still a very very good NBA player Josh giddy’s got a lot of NBA experience uh Kobe and iio are going to be another year older another year better Jaylen Smith will give him a new dimension a real stretch five instead of the fake one they’ve had the last few seasons so I don’t expect the Bulls to be terrible next year I think you know they won 39 games without Demar and kuso they’ll probably win 29 but we’ll see where that really puts them in a league that I think is going to be racing to the bottom because Cooper flag he’s that good man he’s going to be the first pick there’s some talent beyond him in that 2025 draft for sure but he’s the prize and I think that uh you know there’s going to be a lot of teams all into tank and I don’t think the Bulls are quite there yet despite losing a lot of very good players this offseason if you’re not watching the show on YouTube and you really should be because Rick’s kind enough to join us from his home and I’m a little bit distracted by that women’s dress over your right shoulder what’s the story what’s going what’s going on in home rcky uh you like to do things in your spare time we don’t know about what’s going on I’m in my uh my office that my wife uses closet as well so wow just leave it up to Mark to ask a question like that no I mean that dress is over your shoulder listeni I I knew I knew your wife was probably messing with some clothes back there we could avoided that question mark while Ricky Ricky if you don’t want to come on anymore if you don’t want to come on anymore don’t a lot more politely than ifis if Mark is not here if if Mark is not here you can come back on Wow Mark wow you know man I wasn’t a 1992 NBA champion so I don’t have a b Man Mark you like Timmy Whispers now no I knew Timmy was thinking it so I I was waiting for ask the question man all right you know I saw you on WGN last night did a great job on television and you were talking about Jaylen Smith and and you were saying that you don’t really see him at all as a great defensive help not a really a classic rim protector but let’s face it this team needs some three-point shooting and he hit 42% on you know meager attempts all beit but he’s a guy that can shoot the ball from distance and and maybe give them a different component to their offense so I like the J Smith signing they obviously needed a young big in the room it seems like they got young Talent at every other position besides for with the bigs so I thought you know Jaylen Smith was a guy who you looked at this free agent Market you needed a young big with some athleticism you needed a big who could shoot and he fit that bill now I do think that this sort of comes back to the giddy trick and when you’re starting this rebuild with a pretty fresh slate you take on Giddy and giddy has so many flaws as a player and because giddy cannot shoot at all and has to play on the ball well guess what there’s only so many spots for non-shooters in today’s NBA so now you immediately need to have a stretch five because giddy can’t shoot and so now you need to take someone like Jaylen Smith who in my opinion you know I don’t think he’s a great player but I think he’s got some upside I’m glad they signed him I think it was a good signing but you know you took him over someone like Goa Bazi in Orlando who I think is more of a traditional five he does Big Man stuff right rebounds he blocks shots he’s tough whereas Jaylen Smith he doesn’t really do a lot of the like interior Dirty Work that you ideally like a big man to do so this is what our tourist does man he likes perimeter players who can’t shoot and bigs who can’t play defense a very particular mix to actually make the pieces work now arturus found that mix originally when he got Lonzo and Caruso around d rozan d rozan player and he was so good for the Bulls for three straight years it kind of breaks my heart that it looks like he’s getting squeezed out of the deal he deserves in free agency because he outperformed that contract with the bulls that everyone said was an overpay at the time 27 million a year it seems like he’s probably gonna get a salary cut in half for next year wherever he’s playing that’s a tough break for dear but at the same time Demar for as good as he is he’s a no three no D guy and he’s like maxed out in every other aspect of the game but he still has some team building limitations so that’s why I’m like why are the Bulls pushing their chips in for Josh giddy who’s also a NO3 no D guy immediately presents so many complications to your future team building while he does have some skills he’s been a productive player 21 years old great passer great positional size he rebounds he does some stuff he’s a pretty good player I think he’s going to put up good numbers for the blls this year I really do but if you’re talking about building this thing long term it’s like okay there’s only so many spots for non-shooters I don’t think you can reasonably project giddy to make a big Improvement as a shooter so now you got to take someone like Jaylen Smith and I like Jaylen Smith think he was a good signing but like the guy could not get on the floor in the playoffs maybe not a concern for the Bulls they’re not going to be playing playoff games in the near future it seems like but you know it’s it kind of just goes back to Giddy like they got J Jaylen Smith because they had got giddy uh and I just wonder like how does that complicate their long-term team building paths around Josh giddy in the future well one one of the things that I’ve been watching and really watching closely is the Zack LaVine situation it just seems like teams are are playing hard ball with the bulls not you know giving them what they want for him uh if if I’m AK and Mark everle you know My Philosophy is you know I’m keeping him I’m keeping him and let him show everybody he’s healthy let let everybody see what kind of because he’s going to put up 24 25 points a game on this team next year and then if you want to revisit trade you know his trade value uh at the mid Midway point of the season a trade deadline then you do it then because it doesn’t make any sense because you hear all this stuff Ricky is that oh their bulls are going to attach a first round pick to get rid of the guy that doesn’t make sense to me it makes sense to hold on to as many first round picks as you have you can get and then revisit the trade for him later on when he shows everybody he’s healthy and you know there’s going to be a team out there at trade deadline that see Zack LaVine as a missing piece that can help them get further in the playoffs I totally agree with you Stacy I think you know if you can’t get rid of him now definitely the worst case scenario would be to attach assets to trade him absolutely cannot do that in any scenario so if you got to bring Zach back that’s cool with me I think Zack lavine’s a really good player I think you get the Zack LaVine from 2223 I kind of think he’s worth the money like it’s tough because they signed him to that contract under the old CBA which wasn’t as punitive for going deep into the luxury tax with these super high payrolls now it’s a different ball game and now you got all these billionaires cry and poor they can’t resign their own guys we might get a draft pick Frozen five years from now we can’t sign contabas called well Pop I don’t know it’s kind of a loser mentality to me but at the end of the day you still have a lot of teams that are going to be competing to win that view the league is being wide open in terms of the championship picture and somebody like LaVine still fits in a lot of different places because he can play off the ball with volume three-point shooting he’s always been a very good three-point shooter and he can give you some Rim pressure still only 29 years old is the cap Rises is the years on his contract get less and less I do think there’s going to be a market for Zach eventually and so I’m totally fine with the bulls bringing back Zack I don’t think they should be desperate to get rid of him the only way they should be feeling desperation to get rid of him is if they want to bring back dear because they can’t really bring back dear right now given uh their salary constraints but to me you can’t bring back dear you’re going to lose your draft pick and you know LaVine we’ve already seen uh we have many examples from the past that like even if you’re trying to protect this pick and not win a lot of games Zack Ravine Is Not Really Gonna influence winning at a super high level so I’m fine bringing him back I think he’s a good player he’s 29 years old right in the smack of smack dab of his prime so I think if Zack could just healthy he can ball out the only question I want to know is does Zack actually want to be here and is this going to feel like a hostage situation with Zach where he would like to be anywhere else but Chicago and instead nobody wants him if that’s the case he should have all the motivation he needs to have a good years so that he can open up uh you know interest from other teams but yeah it’s kind of a tough situation for Zach heading into the year just do not attach assets to trade him that would be the worst case scenario and I I think that I think that they got to come if they that’s the route that they go with him and bring him back there’s got to be a meeting of the minds and they’ve got to sit down and they’ve got to say Billy’s got to sit down with him and they’ve got to try to hash out whatever disagreement or whatever made him feel the way he felt uh and try to you know try to iron that out for this season and just say let’s just focus on this year and if if I’m Billy Donovan I’m telling him listen you know you saw what happened this summer we won the movie you want to be moved nothing happened no one wanted to give up anything for you but this is your opportunity to show people that you’re healthy this is the opportunity to show with people what kind of player you are that means you got to commit to playing on both ends of the the floor defense and offense and and give effort every single night and if you can do that your value will rise higher than it was this summer that’s what I would tell them I totally agree and the other thing I would do is say you know you got Jaylen Smith in here look what Tyrese halberton did for Jaylen Smith earned a lot of money you know got his uh got his reputation way up and I would say we’re playing like Indiana this year with Josh KY like if we’re building this team around Josh giddy or with Josh giddy in mind you better crank up that Tempo I mean you could be having a starting lineup with Kobe Zack Giddy and then Vu and Pat to me I mean you might as well play Fast rip threes defense may or may not be optional but I think lavine’s gonna have some motivation to defend you’re gonna have a lot of Jaylen Smith as a stretch five he’ll probably play you know a pretty sizable role for the team this year I would think and yeah I think you know crank up the pace and really see if back and put up a bunch of points hit a bunch of Threes And maybe reopen that trade market for you at the deadline hey let’s go back to the draft Ricky is outstanding covering the NBA draft make sure you follow him at s SP Nation he’s already got his 2025 mock draft out for you to check out supposed to be one of the best drafts in a long time but when we were going over the possibilities for the Bulls at 11 we kind of dismissed the idea that they could get the local kid Mattis buellis and they got he fell to 11 uh Detroit kind of jumped for one of the guys you thought might be for the Bulls at at 11 and Ron Holland but they get balis who’s a 69 610 power forward who needs to get in the weight room needs development time but they could have a really good player in a couple years that right there yeah I like balis I was happy with the pick I was very relieved the Bulls didn’t do anything weird and tried to grab Terence Shannon at 11 or Ryan Dunn Galis it was just a sensible move take the guy who falls best player available thought that was a totally normal and acceptable pick by the Bulls so I was happy with that I do think he’s pretty raw I watched a lot of g-league ignite this year I would not recommend anyone going back to watch that film because that team was an absolute disgrace just a horrible team context for all those guys to play in but bzel has got skills man I mean you can’t find 610 guys who are that comfortable on the perimeter and I expected bzel to be a pretty poor defensive player but he was like pretty tough showed surprising toughness defensively with the ignite so I think it’s going to take a bit because like you said balis he’s 610 he’s 197 pounds got to get some of that Stacy King hot SAU a little bit he too skinny but it’s going to take him a few years right so I think that’s cool for the Bulls you know they are rebuilding anyway balis will hopefully get a lot of reps this year he won’t be in like a high pressure environment to produce right away I think that’s a very good scenario for him and yeah long term you know balis my thing with him is there’s no way he’s going to be a good NBA player if he’s this bad of a shooter long term but I look at his shot and I don’t think it’s br Bren like yes he hit 26% of his threes yes he hit under 70% of his free throws that’s very scary but the guy shot the lights out at the high school level at Sunrise Christian I went back watched a couple of those games you know in my uh leadup to draft coverage he shoots confidently he shoots with versatility he’s not a hesitant shooter and to me that’s the most important thing like as long as you’re willing to get him up and as long as you’re form doesn’t look totally broken I think Peter Patton will uh do some wonders for him and I think bazal going to shoot long term and if he shoots he’s going to be a pretty good player as long as his body can put on muscle and that he’s able to like play with more power because there’s some guys who just can’t put on strength they don’t have the frame for it uh I think pelis probably will be able to but it looks like he is narrow shoulders looks he’s very skinny in general obviously so those are the two swing factors the shooting the strength development but if those come around I think bazal is going to be a good player he was a good pick by the Bulls regardless and I’m excited to watch him this year I’ll tell you what I’m I’m big Patrick Williams fan and I know a lot of people think that the Bulls overpaid him to to stay I think it was a good pickup I think you know now knowing they’re going into this youth movement per se he’s going to get many opportunities that he didn’t get when the you know All-Star caliber players were here what do you think about that signing Rick yeah I think that it’s interesting on a number of levels I’m very glad they retained Pat I think losing him would have been a disaster as you’re pivoting to this rebuild you got to keep your guys I think they may have get been able to get him a little bit cheaper but kind of who cares like Obi toppen got 15 P gets 18 I look at to and he’s probably been more productive than Pat he’s also three and a half years older he’s a worst Defender he’s a worst three-point shooter so Pat has the skill set you want for a role player what worries me about this though is that you know everyone’s going to be expecting Pat to take this big leap next year oh it’s all it’s all set up for Pat now dear’s gone you know now it’s Pat he gets a bigger offensive opportunity well the issue is that Pat’s hurt he’s got a really weird injury with his foot a broken navicular bone that is not a normal NBA injury I believe TJ Warren had the same injury and it cost him two years wow so there’s gonna be a lot of like pressure on Pat to produce next year but he can’t work on his game or his body right so what’s he doing this offseason he’s basically just recovering I haven’t really heard any updates on Pat and his health I think Health pending if he can get back to being 100% healthy it was a good signing maybe you could have got him a little bit cheaper I don’t really care because you know whatever I mean I don’t think it’s going to make that big of a difference with how much the salary Cap’s going up 15 18 who cares so I’m excited Pat’s back I want to see what he can do with more offensive opportunity the reason I like Patrick Williams I think he’s a very good defensive forward and I think he can hit an open three-pointer now I would like to see him rebound a little bit more just no excuse to be such a bad rebounder with his physical gifts and then you know let’s see what he could do offensively with the ball in his hands now that dear is likely going to be gone I want to see him attack the basket with a little more uh Force I want to see him get to the F line more you know maybe he learned a few mid-range tricks from dear too so I’m excited for Pat I’m excited for his growth but it’s gonna be tough for him to hit the ground running this year given that he missed the whole off season with this injury hey let’s zoom out a little bit we’ve seen the draft we’ve seen the early stages of free agency Paul George of course going to the Philadelphia 76ers Klay Thompson to Dallas I think one of the underrated signings Isaiah hartenstein going to Oklahoma City with Caruso you know they were number one seed in the west last year now you add two defensive Stoppers at important positions Oklahoma City could be ready to make a big jump uh outside of the Thunder who else do you think really helped themselves in free agency in the draft this year yeah I think the Thunder are the favorites in the west heading into the season so we’ll see if they could do it the West is loaded uh but I loved the moves the thunder made it’s going to be so fun to watch Caruso there in a winning environment Caruso is just meant to be playing games deep in the playoffs so that’ll be fun you know I like what the magic did with kcp like kcp is not going to change your life but he did shooting they’ve been one of the worst shooting teams in the league the last couple years in terms of volume and percentage well kcp is just money on catching shoot three so he’ll give you spacing and then defensively you got kyp and Suggs in the back court like that is locked down around fron around Wendell you got Jonathan Isaac who might be maybe the best individual defens Le think yes he’s a freak defensively I think they just resigned him they just resigned him today he got 8 he got the same contract is PED five years so yeah I like what Orlando did like they probably need more shooting they probably use a guard who could hit pull-ups you know I’ve been thinking they really should have thrown an offer sheet of Co last year like he would have been so good for them I’m glad they didn’t as a bulls fan but they still need like a Shifty guard who could hit pullup they don’t have that right now but you’re running your offense through Pao and fr you got more spacing with KY peep so I like Orlando and I look at their roster right now they got a lot of midsize salaries that are good to combine in a trade so I think you know I don’t know if it’s GNA be Darius Garland I don’t know if it’s going to be someone else down the line but they’re going to be Prim to make a big move for a trade I think love Paulo and Fran so I really like what Orlando did as well with kcp signing well speaking of Kobe Kobe took a huge huge jump last year should have been most improved player where do you see him now with all the roster change and now basically he falls into that that role now as one of the go-to guys now it’s the ball’s going to be in his hands he’s going to be probably moved to the two guard position if they don’t bring Zach back uh what do you envision him this year what step do you see him taking this year do you see Allstar maybe possibility sure yeah why not I think that giddy’s going to get him a lot of good shots as much as I’m skeptical of giddy’s utility on a good team I think that you know this year when the team is not going to be like maxed out to try to like make a playoff run I think that Kobe’s GNA put up huge numbers giddy’s gonna get him good shots they’re going to play fast and you know 25 this year like this should be his prime he improved so much last year that like why would you cap his development say that like he’s not going to continue to improve I think he can absolutely get better yeah he can continue to get stronger he can get uh you know just like more more offensive versatility I think in terms of like his his shot and how he gets his shot and like I said I think gide Aid him there so I’m pumped about Kobe I think Kobe could take a big leap what do he average last year about 19 points a game above uh average shooting efficiency so yeah I mean let’s let’s pick that up especially if they play faster I could see them pushing towards 23 24 points a game and uh it’ll I’m just interested in you know if Zach is back which I think is the likely scenario those two guys have never really complemented each other well they like kind of got similar games they overlap a bit in terms of skill set so I want to see how those guys can coexist uh Kobe he’s such a team player though that’s what I really like about Kobe in addition to being like a like useful player with his ability to play on or off the ball high volume shooter great Vibes guy as well like around the team in the locker room so I think that uh Kobe’s you know I he could have another big leap to share in him and I wouldn’t be shocked if he made an All-Star run it’s tough in the East because there’s a lot of good guards but I wouldn’t be shocked hey before we let you go we got to give Whispers a shot you got anything for Ricky tonight yeah there’s there’s one one question Ricky that it never really comes up in these discussions is the uh chemistry of of teams you see these teams that suddenly rise up and uh you go back a couple years ago and the Bulls put together that this team that was first in the East till the injury started hitting we got left by Ferell and you had a dinner did you ever get collect your dinner on that no I’m glad you reminded me I’m going be calling slick Nick somebody for my dinner so so Nick Ferell laughed at us for say we’re looking at a 50- win team and we just did that based on chemistry and then you don’t hear about that much anymore like this is a winning team based on who they put together and sometimes you wonder if they look at these moves here these young guys they do have some experience is there a chance or some chemistry here and we’re looking at a 40 some wi team with the bulls I don’t think so because they won 39 last year go back in your hole like he’s like a groundhog go back in go back in your hole there got a lot of bulls listers I wanted that shred of Hope but let’s say this like you know their chemistry in the future is going to be led by iio and Kobe and Pat I think that you know iio and Kobe are just great culture guys like can IO be the bulls youis has them and we just keep him for like 20 years he can always be there because I feel like he’s he’s a good presence for the team a good culture guy Kobe seems to have a great mentality anytime you know you see him interviewed anytime I’ve spoke with him and yeah the future of the team chemistry will be determined by those four guys and we’ll see how everyone else fits in around them I think that they had great chemistry for a while with with Lonzo and with Caruso those were very good culture Setters I think they lost some of that without Lonzo and so you know this year to me isn’t about maximizing wins it’s seeing development seeing the young guys improve trying to add another premium piece in the 2025 draft if not Cooper flag I want Dylan Harper give me Ron Harper one my favorite bows ever Ron Harper I think Ron Harper best blls free agent signing ever yeah I mean he’s in the mix too but like Rod Harper was the man so give me uh give me Dylan Harper then in the 26 draft give me Carlos boozer’s son Cameron who is the second best Prospect in the world right now behind Cooper flag Cameron loser is a stud hot take right here my hot take is that the 26 draft is better than the 25 draft oh wow you got two legit number one overall picks in that 26 draft with Cameron Boozer and AJ Debona two American prospects were absolutely phenomenal we see how the international class develops in addition to those guys but yeah I think the Bulls are probably looking at a two-year soft reset here uh they you know they should have traded some of these guys and gotten more picks and gotten a surplus of assets to you know do this rebuild moving forward so they’re going to have to get lucky but at the end of the day I still think it’s a good move for the Bulls and uh you know I’m excited to watch some young guys get a bigger opportunity this year one more question I don’t think you’re gonna see a repeat champion in the NBA in the next few years I I just don’t I I think you saw Denver Denver to me I think if Denver plays Boston I think Denver wins that series I I just do I don’t think you’re going to see a repeat Champion I think it’s going to be one of those things the next five years is going to be somebody different every season Boston people think Boston has the the roster to do that I I just don’t see it what do you think Boston’s real good I’m a Celtics hater long Celtics hater can’t stand the Boston media Mafia That’s why we need good podcast like to give me the hot sauce but you know here’s the thing with the Celtics white like he’s like giving away money with them 125 million for four years he’s selling the team care he’s selling the team yeah so uh I I think the Celtics are really good I don’t think they’re unbeatable because against the elite teams they’re not going to have the best player on the floor but I mean Denver got worse and they’re not spending enough money to like maximize yic so I totally agree with you Denver would have beat Boston in the series but now Denver’s wor so now I’m like I don’t know um I think you’re possibly right though it’s very hard to go back to back the Spurs never went back to back when they were a dynasty with Tim Duncan I think OKC is coming I think the Mavs are going to be pretty good again W Bama is looming and then you know the Sixers and the Knicks yeah I don’t know if they made perfect moves they still got like question marks but man you got to respect how hard they went they put their money where their mouth is and they said you know we’re doing everything we can to take out the Celtics so if the Celtics play the Sixers the best player on the floor is MB in my opinion if the Celtics play the Knicks like the Celtics still have the best player but it’s possible the Knicks can compete with them in terms of like the five best so it’s going to be tough for the Celtics the fact that they won the title without porzingis barely playing is like pretty impressive to me I want to say you’re right Stacy I hope you’re right I’ll say right now my pick will be OKC I’ll pick OKC to win the title so it’s tough to go back Tob back give me the Thunder this year the Celtics got a good chance but yeah I think this is the era of the NBA especially with this new CBA the league wants parody they have worked to achieve parody and I think that you know what has been six six years six different Champions or something like that uh I yeah I would expect more of the same moving forward but Celtics are they’re damn good yeah and bu fans will be watching Oklahoma City with one of our favorites Alex Caruso playing out there they’re in the other conference so why not root for the Thunder hey Ricky thanks a lot for joining us a second time in three weeks we appreciate all your Insight we even got a a thumbnail on the 25 and 26 drafts so full service cleaning here today we appreciate it very much Ricky thanks for having me guys Ricky odonnell Our Guest on give me the hot sauce we’ll tell you what we’re watching and some other business coming up when we continue on the show our thanks to Ricky O’Donnell for joining us giving us some insight on what the Bulls are doing in the offseason and giving us a sneak peek at the 25 and 26 NBA drafts and this is uh during the third segment we’ like to take some of the questions from our viewers and listeners we got one from I’m a spooky Kitty spooky KY he says we should have traded Demar when he was having that legendary season I mentioned he made second Team all NBA in his first year with the bulls his playing style never really elevated the team I I would beg to disagree and I’m sure Stacy feels similar oh definitely disagree three years he’s here he’s one of the best players in the NBA so when a lot of people thought he was done and washed up made an All-Star team showed you that he still an elite scored this game had one of the best mid-range games one of the best clutch players I mean come on now that was a no I don’t like that question too much I think his point was that you know obviously when Lonzo was here the Bulls were leading the East halfway through the first season that he was here but then once Lonzo went out the team chemistry kind of dissolved a little bit and they barely got into the playing he didn’t really impact winning even though he’s putting up numbers well you lose a dynamic player like Lonzo is like having three players you know he’s six foot six people don’t remember Lonzo was the second leading rebounder on the team at the point guard position he led the team in assists he uh he was either one one or two in Block shots at the point guard position so that’s saying that that guy had a huge impact on this team’s success he got Zach easier shots he got dear easier shots the Bulls were able were much more efficient running and transition and when you take that element out of your lineup now you become a slow team you become more of an isolation team and that’s what really that’s probably really hurt the Bulls more than anything is that transition that Lonzo brought to the game became more isolation and you saw more DeMar having to you know as Billy said hey we got in order for us to win we got to put the ball in this guy’s hands and let him go to work and that’s what they did also heard from our buddy uh Pete the sign God he of course is responsible for all these great banners behind us here watching on YouTube and he says that uh he told Stacy that his autograph is worth more than Zach’s trade value at this point wow that’s that’s unall a shot from the gallery Pete come on Pete Pete first of all punches up Tyson Hey listen Pete come on stop shooting Strays at my boy Zach man come on listen for all your Zach haters out there listen I’m not one of them okay listen Zach is can play Zach is a top 20 20 player in this league should he be higher than top 20 I think he should I think if he he focused on defense and became a legit two-way player there’s no reason why Zack LaVine can’t average two and a half steals a game and be up top five top 10 than steals it’s effort energy and going out there to do that and if I’m Billy Donovan if they bring him back if the Bulls bring Zach back that’s something that you’re going to have to implore him to do you’re going to have to say look we saw what the summer did no teams wanted you okay I make it seem so desperate like nobody wanted you they didn’t want to trade you for a bag of Doritos okay now you got a chance to come in here you got to show everybody you’re healthy number one that your foot is healed we know you can score 25 points a game but show teams you can do other things you can make teammates better you can defend and guard anybody on the floor and if you do that your trade value is going to go off the roof and you’re going to be able to go maybe go where you want to go but let me ask you this you played with so many great players in your college and pro careers some guys just won’t change no matter what I mean like like like Carlos Boozer would always go to his left and you could tell him Carlos they’re playing to the left go right he’s still going to go to his left some guys just can’t get out of their comfort zone well if you saw his trade value he really paid attention to the trade value this year and where no one was wanting him and all the stuff that was coming out of it about him um he’ll change up a little bit he has to because Zach is too good of a player too good of athlete but I I tell people that he’s got that same kind of athleticism as MJ has I’m not saying he’s MJ player I’m not saying he’s got MJ mentality I’m saying as an athlete he is topnotch he’s still one of the top 10 best athletes in the game today at 29 years old he can shoot the three ball he’s got I I personally think Zach’s at his best when he’s playing more like Klay Thompson where he’s coming off screens he’s catching and shooting uh instead of taking those you know those kind of crazy shots that he takes you know step he doesn’t see himself that way well but he needs to start seeing him especially this late in his career you want you know people are labeling Zach is not a winner he’s not a winning player that’s all you keept hearing about Zach he’s not a winning player this is a team game you know you can’t just put that all on him there’s there’s 11 other guys with him on that team that he’s been on so you can’t just say he’s not a winning player maybe he doesn’t make winning plays all the time but that you can’t label him as not a being a winning player put him in a situation in Golden State I guarantee he’s a winner you put him in a situation with Denver I guarantee you he’s a winner because he’s around winning players he’s around a winning you know system and he will change his ways he’s been unfortunately he’s been on teams that have not been strong in Minnesota he had you know it was him Wiggins and towns young kids basically giving the keys to the car didn’t know how to drive and so they were losing early uh but you win you get put in a winning organization Mark you know this you get put in a winning organization winning attitude uh you walk in that building everything’s positive you’re going you’re going to win yeah but you uh you speaking of Minnesota you play with JR Ryder just like telling him not to be crazy anymore Mark Mark Mark there’s sometimes I try to forget things Mark you know at my old age I try to forget some of the things that I’ve done in my younger days I’m G tell you something you know when you go from I tell young people this all the time listen the grass ain’t greener on the other side okay when I was a young player America I thought leaving a championship caliber team and going to go play on a team that wasn’t winning I’m going to get to play 30 minutes tonight I’m going get take as many shots as I want it was great for like the first week first two weeks but after a while man when you start getting beat by 25 30 and you got you got the other team talking about you ain’t got black Jesus with you now you ain’t got the black cat where’s black Superman at now king and you got to hear this taunting you know but you’re still getting I’m getting 20 25 I’m happy but you’re getting your butt kicked every night you got no chance to to win and you know it’s bad let me tell you something Mark you know it’s bad when you go out after a game and you go to a club and your team can’t get into the club because they suck they make them America they made them stand in line they didn’t make me stand line they the the the bouncer Stacy cor how many you got I hear somebody yelling St St King King where you at man get us in the club I’m looking at I’m like is that the Timberwolves what are y’all doing in line bro come on man y NBA players no NBA players work no no NBA play We in line but when you lose you’re waiting in line that’s sad too man that’s my little story right there oh my goodness new phone who this yes hey Raymond thoron asks who should be the bull starting point guard Cody or giddy he says I hear giddy but it seems like it should be the guy who was the better athlete who can navigate the floor better I know how you feel about no giddy should be the point guard gidd is is giddy is a in my opinion listen I’ve always said this about Kobe Kobe can play point guard his position is two guard he can let him score the basketball let him he play that Zack LaVine role there’s not a lot of difference between him and Zach except for the a athleticism Zach is a high level athlete you know but Kobe as far as scoring and and and and the way he can score he can score just as good as Zach can and so I would move him to the two I put giddy as my as my point guard because he’s the guy that’s going to struggle with his own shooting but he’s going to be the guy that control the pace because he wants to get the ball off the glass and push it and you got Kobe running on the wing you have Patrick Williams you have all these guys running the Bulls are going to be much more efficient I think in transition with this younger team and plus is going to have a a a really a lot of opportunities to press more to trap more to just turn these guys loose because you’re not expected to win you’re not expecting to win anything but you can expect to play hard and have some fun and let people enjoy watching this young team develop and grow into something special I see by the rundown that our guy D put together you guys want to talk about the UFC card this weekend oh go ahead man did you watch it yeah we’ll talk about it Tim this is your big time yeah come on oh it’s it’s it’s was kind of disappointing I mean he normally wouldn’t lose but went down you’re a guy well P money on him didn’t you well Pier uh the pier guy was good the uh Alex PR he was good that dude I’m tell you right now man that dude might be there that dude right there he is a machine a machine he is dismantling everybody he’s going to be the first guy to win three titles in three different weight classes there’s been guys win two he’s going to be the first one to win three was was our guy right here at the end of the table Conor Connor but yeah but he never defended his title this guy went from middleweight won the middleweight title now he’s gone to light heavyweight and now he just demolished everybody in the light heavyweight uh uh situation and until Jon Jones gets back if I was him I would go right to the heavyweight division beat Tom Aspen beat him get me the belt win three and then when Jon Jones comes back say I’m going back down to lightweight I want to fight this guy just yeah just Jones is a crispy cre he’s putting on some weight I don’t care but he can fight though ain’t nobody beating that dude ain’t nobody beating Jon Jones man Jon Jones is gonna be the go down as the greatest UFC fighter in the history of UFC nobody’s beaten it he has not lost a fight at all he got disqualified he’s lost one fight and that was disqualification could he hit somebody in the back of the head with an elbow but now that that particular blow is legal now so they really should go back and scrap that loss that dude’s undefeated that dude is a bad man you guys know what kind of money these guys make because I’m always amazed every weekend there’s a new fight card and guys are fighting over and over and over again it’s it can’t be good for your long if you’re not if you’re not one of the main guys if you’re one of the main guys that like fights once every six months once every year those guys are making the big money the champion guys are making the big money the guys that you see repeat you know uh if they don’t take damage in in you know uh UFC 301 they’re coming back 302 okay uh they have to fight a lot more more and you know it’s tough on those guys they have no insurance I’m surprised that we talked to Curtis blades you know when he was on our show a couple years ago is that like they don’t have any insurance they have nothing to to protect themselves you know uh and have a union have a union but it would take the Superstar players to buy into that and to to Really facilitate that the Connors the Jon Joneses of the world because these guys can say we’re going to strike and sit out until we get better pay or better you know coverage but Dan and white say cool just go bring in some other people I know it’s a rough way to make you can’t replace a Conor you can’t replace a Jon Jones you can’t replace a you know negotiate their own deal yeah yeah but but typically you’re talking about like 300 grand for a fight see look at that pound-for-pound rankings right now okay do you see you see my man uh Alex he’s number he’s number two oh MF Islam he really shouldn’t be one Jon Jones should be number one well he’s just a default one at this point yeah he yeah he shouldn’t be number one look at the ABS they put on according to ESPN that was really nice of him Hey listen you stop talking about Jon Jones okay you stop talking he’s little look Jon Jones had to put some weight on to go to heavyweight yeah okay yeah J Jones Jon Jones legit tell you I know he’s legit I’m not getting nearer I bet Jon Jones before he even before he really came up he was just coming up he just won his first fight he choked out uh uh Makita the guy the uh dragon choked him out we saw him in San anonio saw him in Miami big dude like 6’4 like he’s a big dude tall he’s a tall guy um but now he’s had to put on extra weight to play in the heavyweight division because he wanted to fight nugo nugo was the the main guy but nugo in the UFC couldn’t come to a terms to to make that fight happen so Nagano left and went to the uh the the Rival company because he got paid more money and now and now his cred now his credibility is gone down after he got knocked out in 10 seconds in the boxing match almost got decapitated by Anthony Joshua yeah but I’m still UFC fan I like the I like the way they fight boxing needs to catch up boxing needs to start doing like they used to do put the best fighters against the best fighters they’re not doing that right now and it’s really hurt the sport and UFC is probably the number one you know uh you know sport as far as Combat Sports is concerned yeah every weekend you can catch it on ESPN and they have just brutal fights every week hey time for one of our favorite segments what are we watching now I’ll kick us off this week you know one of the uh shows that really caught on in the streaming Realm was the bear uh Jeremy Allen White who played lip in Shameless is the head guy who took over a a beef restaurant that he inherited from his brother who died and turned wanted to turn into a fine dining thing because he had gone to New York to study to be you know this culinary expert and the the show is just about the stress and the tension and the relationships between the people that are trying to make a go of this and the first couple of Seasons I thought were were just outstanding you know people say it’s a really intense show sometimes it’s hard to watch you really got to get yourself in up in the mindset because there’s so much angst amongst the crew there the third season has just started and one of the things about the streaming on Hulu they give you every episode so if you want to binge it you can it’s 10 10 episodes every year this year they are trying so hard to make it in super intense I think they kind of missed the mark the first episode there’s almost no dialogue it’s just them cooking in the kitchen and yelling and it’s like the the whole thing is trying to create this this uh like I mentioned the word angst the the stress between the people that are working there that it’s almost too hard to watch it’s just uncomfortable you know the characters are nothing ever goes right you know and they’re and they’re trying to make a go of it uh it’s set in Chicago so you got that kind of uh link there but you know it’s the first two seasons I thought were really good now it’s kind of be like how uncomfortable can we make the audience and the answer is very [Laughter] you don’t even want to go out and eat do you no so what do you got Whispers uh I watched the uh I was flying so I watched the Carl icon documentary on uh HBO so he’s uh still working today and the Restless billionaire I don’t think I’d be restless I don’t think I’d be restless at all I’d be sleeping he’s one of the richest guys on the planet and uh um but he’s the guy that they modeled uh Gordon gecko after right so all the lines like a get a dog uh money never sleeps these were all lines that Carlon said yeah and so they modeled them after him and uh he’s say it’s a real SOB when he goes after these companies but he believes what he’s done is a good thing and it’s it’s interesting to watch because you do get kind of torn was he right or was he wrong in the way he was a corporate Raider and uh it’s tough I think sometimes he did a good thing sometimes I don’t know Stacy what you got interesting uh your honor oh yeah I watched that when it was on Showtime it’s made it way to Netflix it’s made it’s on net9 it’s not back in the ’90s shut the hell up it’s this is a I’m tell America this is a awesome show I’m telling you from start to finish every you’re on your you’re on the edge of your seat the whole time there’s something happening that’s making you go you know you’re just catching yourself like it’s unbelievable I I didn’t think it was going to be that good and it’s something that could happen yes you know yes it’s very believable because people will do anything for their kids exactly that’s what it’s about what a father would do for a son to keep his son out of trouble you need to watch it I’m not gonna give you any more of the plot but it is very realistic because as parents we try to protect our kids and we’ll do whatever we can to protect our kids but how far will you go to protect your kids when you know that something happened that they did something wrong you know I told my kids like it’s funny cuz my I told my kids like I said dad would you would you snitch on us if I if I murder someone I said hell yeah they like you snitch up I go hell yeah I tell on you in a second I’m not going to jail I’m not going as accomplice you shouldn’t have done it well I said what if it he said what if it’s self-defense oh that’s different right but if you did something stupid went I kill somebody I’m not gonna I’m not going to hide you and and and keep that evidence from people no you’re going to jail you’re gonna turn yourself in be a man well I have one question for you guys since you will saw this it takes place in New Orleans yes right but would be would it be more realistic if it took place in Chicago or New York I think Chicago is a much better setting for this like but with the level of corruption and so forth I I like much more fitting for Chicago I like New Orleans because because the the the the mobster in this movie there’s not there’s not really a lot of mob in in New Orleans but there are mobs in New Orleans there are big guys like the one in this in this show um you know I just like how the setup is because you know going to the ninth ward in in New Orleans is like going to the south side of Chicago you know going to Englewood or something like that I mean it’s it’s very believable um and then how how they have everybody’s involved now you know how Brian Cranson got a lot of people involved trying to keep this story his best friend you know there’s a lot of stuff there’s a lot of subplots to all this and now I’m at the part where the mobster now is starting to put things together now and the way he had to go about to do it to find out I mean listen we always you know we always joke about you know in horror movies the black guy never lives we always it’s the same way in this show too coffee brown rip coffee brown that’s all I’m going say rip coffee brown got coffee all three of us have seeing it highly recommended it’s now made its way to Netflix so check it out called your honor uh Mike waiting outside ready to take you home yeah Mike’s out there again he had a picnic in his car when he picked me up today he had banana bread he had he had hey how about what he did to us at the at Mariano’s there what he do well I’m was pretty hungry and he goes grab some pizza and some yeah yeah yeah he he only thought about himself he didn’t think about anybody else he goes into Mar he goes in he goes into Marianos while we were there working and sweating he goes in there get him the pizza get some food and didn’t bring us any didn’t even offer us any so today he was in there with he’s in there with banana bread uh he had some other he had some other food and he was like he was having a picnic in the car when I jumped in and then he drops a his second week in a row he’s dropped something last week it was the meatloaf and I had to catch it and then this week it was the ban B bread and I had to use my quick cat reflexes to catch his banana bread it would been all in his nice new car oh no so now he’s he’s out there right now probably finishing his meal you know uh we we’ve we’ve kind of gotten away from the double Min twins because you know Mike’s had a bad back so he’s he’s he’s no longer messing with dou M twins got to take it easy yeah now he’s just just walking his steps and he’s just you know he’s just eating his little picnics by himself and not sharing you know I know he’s a big Bruce Springsteen fan and the stones were here and I was thinking about Norm Norm van used to party with the stones yes those stories are legendary but the stones for people who went to that show said it was great you know these guys are 80 years old and still rocking you got to imagine how much longer they’re GNA do it I think it’s about it yeah yeah because I heard they had to they had to bring him on golf carts to get him up to the stage Mick is still strutting but a little bit slower yeah a little bit slow it’s like weekend at Bernie going to be like pretty soon he’s just gonna be in the chair and just gonna be like I saw Janet Jackson okay Janet Jackson was phenomenal okay but Janet ain’t moving like Janet used to be okay you know she doing control she started off with control and then all of a sudden she just just fell on the floor and just started singing she’s just she laying on the floor let’s take our time we can do it you know pleasure principal oh and she just laid on the floor she she didn’t move some rest and I’m like okay you’re not going to get up and dance like she just laid on the floor I’m like okay when star like that I guess you can lay on the floor I I did go to Phil Collins I’m Not Dead Yet to her and he was in a wheelchair like that the whole time and somehow somehow he could still belt it out he sounded awesome but he no he literally slumped in a wheelchair I mean it was very emotional in many ways but you thought it was maybe he was doing a little bit of a joke or play himself no he’s saying no I’m not dead yet I can still do it that was really part of the concert get a wheelchair it was something to see I mean that was his last how is he he’s not that old he is I don’t know what the disease is some it’s kind of like a ALS oh come on you should have led with that come on now no no no I just not that as something else but hey sorry wow screeching I was thinking the same thing least give us a preview what was going on you’re like oh he’s not dead yet wow that was the name of his tour I didn’t name it wow Whispers again Whispers you know the show’s almost over when 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11 Comments
AK & Marc Eversley seriously need to fire Billy Donovan. That's what absolutely needs to be next.
As long as asses fill the seats, mediocrity is acceptable for Bulls ownership! That goes for the Cubs too.
Sad for us fans
Josh Giddy can shoot and he can develop his shot like Lonzo did. This Ricky guy is a huge ball of negativity. If Josh Giddy was in this recent draft he’d go within the top 20. Maybe even the top 15.
We need to talk about Dalen Terry more. He's going into his 3rd season and it's only a matter of time before all of his hard work pays off. We tend to focus on Patrick Williams but with his foot injury it might take him a while before he finds his rhythm, but Dalen Terry is due for a breakout yr.
I miss seeing Mark Schanowski on CSN, Hope he`s doing well…
Need time stamps
giddey has so many floors! im sitting here in Australia listening to Rick the dick speak shit. i'm sick of people trashing Josh that know nothing about his game that's all based on personal opinion. opinions are like arseholes everybody has one.
DeMar is a empty stats guy his defense doesn't dictate a winning style the playoffs come and he can't stop their guy usually so no DeMar DeRozan doesn't do much for any team might as well be said but he is nasty in the mid-range…it's a 3 point game though he's outdated came in outdated with bad defense
Thanks for another great show.
YES YOUTH MOVEMENT TRADE ALL THOSE HIGH SALARAIES OF LAVINE, DEROZAN AND VUCEVIC NICE SHOW AGAIN
Problem with the rebuild is that the Bulls did not build anything before this.