Miami Heat: DeRozan rumors fly as Alec Burks and Thomas Bryant are signed | Five on the Floor

Miami Heat: DeRozan rumors fly as Alec Burks and Thomas Bryant are signed | Five on the Floor

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pinch hit there that’s usually my line as as Ethan is starting the show um we got we got we got news to talk about so this is interesting uh where do we start I think let’s go in chronological order demaro rosan uh that was news that has dropped recently about him being a favorite to land in Miami I think that was from a West Coast reporter I can’t remember his name and I apologize in advance um yon bhha thank you thank you look at that assist I mean like you couldn’t have a better co-host uh but then also Barry Jackson the great Barry Jackson has reported that there’s mutual interest from multiple sources uh what I can say from here at five reasons and five on the floor from all sourcing that comes from myself from Ethan I’m not gonna speak for Ethan is that uh this does not seem particularly viable to to be frank uh it would be there’s a lot of stuff that has to go right to make that work especially if Rosen wants the money that he wants and so I think it’s pretty much it’s not worth discussing because I don’t find it to be viable I’ll ask Alex what were your thoughts when you heard about the Rosen what do you think about the fit just quickly and do you think from your perspective that there is any viable path to D rozan like and you know there’s there’s been a couple proposed ways that it could happen were did any of that jump out to you or or you as dismissive as I have been I mean I was a bit dismissive at first just because it felt kind of out of left field especially because we know I mean we don’t know but we kind of know that it wasn’t leaked from the heat right so it was like it felt like we were being used in whether whether by dear’s agents or by whoever else right telling these reporters that the heat are interested because like you said it’s not very viable right like they all they have to offer is the tax pyramid level worth $5 million um the other problem is is the fit right which we don’t need to get into like I think it’s one of those like you know they’ve been interested him in the past so that part interested me in a way just I mean intrigued me in a way just because it was like you know they they’ve circled back on guys in the past it was right after the Donovan Mitchell news uh kind of and uh he’s friends with Jimmy right and it would be him and Jimmy on a one-year deal right so uh the problem is you would have to uh if if you wanted to even offer him the full mid level you would have you have to move on the first apron which implies that the heat would have to move off of one of Tyler’s Terrier Duncan for you know either no money in return or significantly Less in return just to be able to afford Demar right and and then the report also came out that he doesn’t want to settle for the mid level so you want to offer him even more than that like it just gets tough so if he can figure out the way to get DeMar like the money he wants to be the heat figure out a way to probably dump it would have to be Tyler just because he has the biggest contract that what is it 28 29 mil uh coming into next season and then after that it’s like you know you do that just to get Demar on a one-year deal and I guess financially there’s some sense to it when you look at like you know you could just get off of the money after one year if you want to reset things you don’t have to you know get off a pick to do it you get someone who is in theory better than Tyler right as a scorer as a Creator but like you’re also you know he’s 10 years older more or less and it’s going to be over after one year because we don’t know what’s going on with Jimmy it doesn’t look like it’s headed towards a great place and Demar is on a one-year deal so the whole thing just very like it’s very murky it’s a it’s a very murky idea and I feel like they’re they’re trying to get him money and the heat were kind of being thrown in there I don’t doubt that the heat like his game or whatever but that all of that feels like like too many steps for the heat to do just to acquire dear getting off a guy in Tyler who they’ve liked so much like it doesn’t feel like a heat like move but maybe I’m wrong there Eternal your thoughts on D rozan and also just generally I think it’s interesting that the trade market has been pretty quiet frankly I mean there hasn’t been a ton of Blockbusters that have taken place I mean we got we got a couple I guess with the bridges deal and such um but Ingram is yet to be moved people are looking at Lor Markin in there’s these these these guys out there Trey young that Heat fans are are you know to to varing degrees they’re hoping for uh what are your thoughts on the trade market in general and and and also Demar D rozan from your perspective and then we’re gonna slide into the guys that they actually have acquired in the second part of this Greg I I kind of think you went to me on purpose on this particular thing consider in the last couple of days of what’s been going on on playback um on Twitter and in our Discord make sure you guys join us on playback and join us in our Discord off the floor um I I agree with Alex I mean it’s kind of the same thing that we addressed on on playback when Ethan went one for flat uh with just you know having the top of the organization somebody in in the organization reach out to him um that didn’t agree is is the way I’ll put it that didn’t agree with you know with the reports that came out or the speculation that came out um in regards to um any movement between deamar and the heat um like Alex said I think if they could get him on a reasonable deal sure moving things around to try to get him just seems very unlikely there is a path there is you know definitely arguments that you can make in on behalf of that um you know where you know you free up some moneyy um next season u i mean next summer excuse me uh and maybe you know dear even helps you during this season in some you know some places and some spaces but I mean it’s not really a big conversation that necessarily have um it doesn’t really necessarily thing that seems like anything that has legs to it uh as far as the market uh I would I would say something that I have been kind of watching and monitoring um during the season um after the CBA was announced that like teams are going to have to make some Moves In order to get you know far away from you know the penalties that are going to happen and as we’re seeing um like you see teams kind of like really being either hesitant or being frantic um as far as trying to get away from the second apron and just how hard it is to build a tending team um unless you’re like the Boston Celtics um New York has made some some moves um to go all in um but we just saw you know the Lakers not really being able to do much as of the time of this recording um and with LeBron signing that new contract it just got much harder for them um so I mean maybe we see maybe we hear some things after the fourth um who knows things could fireworks could pop after then but as far as now we haven’t necessarily seen a frantic uh NBA free agency like we normally see yeah I think that’s fair and I think maybe some of the deals got announced early and so it took a little bit of the fireworks of right when it hit six o’cl like a lot of that stuff teams had already been able to negotiate with their own players and come to agreement so we heard about some stuff early so that may have something to do with it but I also do feel like team the league is a little paralyzed right now because they’re trying to figure out how to react to this and I think the heat are included in that in terms of just that they’re close to the damn second apron you talk about teams trying to get away from the damn apron they’re sitting right close next to with what they have going into next season now and so it’s to be able to improve the roster it’s really difficult to maneuver and so it’ll be interesting to see if they do find a trade because to to make a trade that’s just a lateral move that doesn’t improve anything financially I don’t foresee them doing that I think that this is more about them if they can find an opportunistic move that also helps the books a bit then that’s where you start to look but the fact that we haven’t seen fireworks yet maybe we’ll see them after the fourth like you say I think people like to take the day off and um maybe maybe they’ll play on prize picks which is the official daily sponsor daily fantasy sponsor of five reason Sports Network it’s daily fantasy simplified you choose your favorite players in your favorite sports they put the props up there in terms of all the different stats you can choose from you choose more or less you can do Flex plays power plays depending on where you are you can play on the web at prize.com or download the app use the code 5 FIV that’ll get get your initial deposit matched up priz picks prize.com daily fantasy simplify so let’s talk about what actually happened because the heat um they came to an agreement with one guy and they officially signed the other guy let’s get the first one out of the way they officially signed Thomas Bryan he’s back on a one-year deal at the veterans minimum that’s why they can announce it now uh so he’s officially back to me that’s a move for a third string Center um because khle wear is is really the guy that I think would be hopefully uh able to harness that backup spot but Alex your reaction to Thomas Bryant returning for a second season in Miami pretty much Echo the same thoughts as you he’s he’s a he’s an extra guy you know on the back of your roster and I know a lot of people you know didn’t have great you know a great reaction when seeing the news today because there wasn’t that many roster spots left right and I think people were hoping for maybe even outside fre agents even if they weren’t like top of the line right and um obviously before the other news that came and it was just like oh man he’s back but look you need bodies and you know you can make the argument that they didn’t need another big body but I’m not you know I don’t think it’s it’s that bad of business for them to just have an extra one there because love is a little bit older I don’t think you want him to you know play all that much during the season you know um you have Kal W who you just want to give you know I think ideally um you know you give a lot of minutes to him during the season you know just for him to get the Reps and we know that Brian is not you know a playoff solution or anything like that as it is you know he’s a veteran minimum uh third big right more some you could even consider him a fourth pick right behind all those other guys so um you know not mad at it it’s just you know after the other news that came out with Alec Burks it’s you know that you have one roster spot open and one that you know may be open if they wave Orlando and they’ve historically gone into seasons in the you know in the in recent history with 14 roster spots so it’s starting to feel like they’re getting closer to the end of free agen and I think that’s why it’s worrying people but but uh excuse me but the Thomas Bryant thing to me is just like uh similar to The Drew Smith thing where like if this would have happened I think down the line it wouldn’t have surprised people as much or like upset people as much but because it’s happening in the thick of free agency it’s like okay the this is what they’re prioritizing even though I think it’s just like no they’re filling out the you know the end of their roster which they have to do too yeah no it’s a great point and it’s just it’s and anti-climatic to some degree to to bring back Thomas Bryan I think people would want to go for a higher ups side play uh but you know what they know what they’re getting he now understands the the way that they operate if he’s gonna come back and be a veteran um I mean I’m not going to say it’s a real difference making move Eternal would you have liked to see them use that that roster spot on somebody else and do you think or Robinson uh sticks cuz I think that they’re not going to guarantee his deal that’s my gut feeling how do you feel about that situation and how it’ll pan out considering so I’ll do two things considering the previous conversation about you know the market and teams making move or lack thereof um I think my I didn’t I’m be real with you be honest with you I think Thomas Bryant is a Swale person um seeing him not get any minutes you know like that last season um especially when we uh had heard talk seing that you know there was supposed to be a competition between him and Orlando for the backup big behind bam right like so they weren’t supposed to be into the bench type bigs they were supposed to get some type of meaningful minutes that ended up going to Kevin Love who we thought would be the person at the end of the [ __ ] so I mean you know that I to me it just signals um from what we have seen they like him they obviously think he is a plus in the locker room um him opting out of the deal and then them signing them back uh save them the money Allah you know Kevin Love so um I will say that maintaining a good locker room is very very important in sports especially basketball uh especially if you plan on making some moves and you do change some faces in the locker room you want some guys that’s been there um that do know you know what type of environment that you would like to have so maybe that’s a part of it but I do think Orlando is gone because they are very close to the second apron but also too I just don’t think there’s any space for Orlando and I think they’ve seen all that they they could see um with him so I think we’re all on the same page with Thomas Bryant uh you know he was decent though just to give him some credit you know he was decent in that stretch where K LOVE was out in the second half of the Season you know he had his moments he did serviceable for a veteran minimum guy you know yeah he he had his moments you know play a lot of energy you can’t you can’t say he doesn’t have a high motor that guy is running all the time it might not be fast he might not be running fast he may not be jumping high but he is out there giving it his all hey they may want him there to just wear bam out and practice so like that might be his role there’s a Russell Westbrook quote out there you know Alex and I think you made a great point he does be running around out there no that’s not what I he was decent like you know for a vet minimum guy again if you go into it with the expectations that he is not supposed to be a part of your night toight plans he is ESS only playing when like you’re missing other bigs when you need to fill out the rotation I like I think he did that job you know decently well you know those expectations in mind like I’m not I’m not mad at it it’s just very like again the timing wasn’t great and you know I just think ultimately you look at the roster and it’s like is this what they needed another big so it feels like Orlando’s gonna be gone because I don’t adding another big on top of it on top of this like doesn’t feel like the move and no shade towards Orlando like he he has he has had his moments through the years like really you know when you see a guy like stand out at Summer League like that you think oh maybe they’re gonna take the next step and get some you know regular season minutes and he didn’t really stand out um in his minutes and look maybe they keep him around at some point you know bring him back I don’t know like we’ve seen the heat get back with guys like that you know if they feel like they’ve continued developing but as of right now like it doesn’t seem like that’s the move they have until I believe the 15th to wave him before his contract uh becomes guaranteed for the season and even though like if they waved him it wouldn’t really like do much for them as far as the second apron because he’s not making very much but what I think the the the the the thinking for waving him would be you know it allows you to kind of stay in the game for however much longer um for Caleb or or Haywood because it seems like they’re trying to bring at least one of well not at least it’ll it would only be one of them uh back and so you need all that money to be able to offer them you know whatever you’re going to offer them and if if it doesn’t work out I’m assuming they would want to Pivot and get a veteran minimum Wing because when you’re looking at the roster they’re that’s kind of what they’re missing not another big so that’s that’s my thoughts there before we get into Alec Burks who was kind of the the the shiny new toy of of heat free agency today I do want to acknowledge that uh Pelle Larson I hope I’m saying his name correctly uh he did get a a really um committed deal from Miami and he is uh someone I would expect to get the opportunity to fill some of the wing minutes that are going to be lost in the event that Caleb and Haywood heith are not backed I just watch out for him I mean we obviously he’s got a long way to go but I think that they U made a commitment to him that shows that that he’s gonna be at least given a chance to try to be a contributor at some point so I thought that that was a worthy call out but then this came out about and everyone was surprised guess what everyone they don’t have a no clutch rule because they just signed a clutch player that’s Alec Burks we could put that to bed now uh and this is one where I see the upside on offense the defense is a little shakier but I do see with the three-point shooting and some of the scoring that he may be a player that can help but it feels like it does crowd the guard room a bit Alex I’m coming back to you on this one because I know that you’ve said on Discord and Shout out I didn’t mention off the floor obviously earlier I’m off my game you need to check that out for 299 3.99 on Apple but you can do it on desktop for $299 that is our Discord server where you can talk heat all day with really knowledge ible respectful fans I say that uh with a little bit of a chuckle but we also have a Draft channel we have host updates the main thing chat check it out that is off the floor it is in the link uh of the description of this episode so check that out off the floor our Discord server 299 a month snuck that one in there uh you’ve mentioned that you like the Alec Burks move as a veteran minimum guy uh so tell us why well I mean it wasn’t like I wasn’t Blown Away by the move anything like that I was a bit surprised again just because I feel like maybe they could have waited but uh you know that doesn’t bother me or anything like that I just feel like the timing was a little bit uh surprising but regardless you’re going to need to like I said earlier you’re going to need to fill out the back end of your roster and I feel like that’s what this is although I do think I would not be surprised one bit if we got to see a decent amount of Alec Burks next season just during the regular season you know um I think you know the Jay Rich thing he just got back to like shooting and you know I don’t know I don’t know how ready he he’s going to be uh when the season starts when training camp starts so it feels like Alec Burks already may have you know a foot in the door there he was productive for the Knicks this past year uh during the playoffs when they had all their injuries and you know just was promoted he was good yeah he was promoted into a role you know that he’s not going to be playing for the heat right I don’t think he’s going to be playing a lot of pick and roll but you know just the fact that he could be productive in a moment like that you know in Big Time playoff games shows that you know they might be able to get okay value out of a veteran minimum spot here you know just to get you through a season like the guy can really shoot right um I think that’s what he brings to the floor our guy uh John janca pointed out on Twitter that he’s not really offici in the mid-range or at The Rim whatsoever but he does get to the free throw line surprisingly well for somebody you know like in this price range so you’re getting a little bit you know some some extra free throw attempts right uh that that’s that’s what you can project as well as a guy who takes a good amount of threes and has hit him for the past you know few seasons at a good clip like he he it was just under 38% from three last season 41 the year before 40 the season before 41 and a half the season before 38 and a half the season before like he he can shoot the ball so that that’s what he brings I think you know in that sense individually it’s a good signing the question is that that comes into my head and came into my head earlier is just the way that the roster is looking right now like individually the names are not terrible but when you look at it all together it’s like not much perimeter defense that’s that’s kind of what sticks out and so I feel like the way that the rotation is shaking out right now like you have lot of guys who are either okay or you know slightly below average at defense and then you got bam heading it you know Jimmy who is a positive Defender but doesn’t you know give it his all as far as like deflections and you know during the regular season so but I I guess the theory now is this is like their way of like okay we’ll bet on SPO to you know essentially build a good enough defense to get you through the regular season and have more offensive Talent than not or and when I say offensive talent I mean like offensive role players more so than role players who are going to be left wide open they cramping up the space for Jimmy and Bam even more I’m not saying this is the right move but like based on the way the roster looks right now today like that would be my thinking that is their thinking right like they’re essentially like SP offense yeah yeah in a way in a way not really because you know it’s the same core but you know you have gonna have Terry now for a full year right and um so you’ve got that you’ve got haime and yic looking to take bigger steps you know in the in the rotation there you got like and now you you signed uh Burks you drafted Larson right and so like you again guys who like Larsson seems like he’s gonna be a competitive Defender I don’t think he’s gonna be like a complete liability or anything like that but you know if you’re relying on him to be one of your better perimeter defenders in year one yeah even if he’s a 23y old polished player like that is asking a lot so it feels like the the the balance isn’t there yet right and so that’s why I think people are wondering if there’s something else coming up or again it feels like maybe they’re just going to address the defensive part by getting one of their wings back right like maybe that’s that’s what they’re aiming to do and because right now and and uh you know Bobby marks and Barry Jackson and Brian goens have all been like calculating this so shout out to them for the you know the work they’ve done but I I believe if they wave Orlando Robinson before uh July 15 they’ll be $6.8 million uh below the second apron so um if they want to offer one of Caleb or Haywood 6.7 yeah they exactly it would have to be like the first year starts at around 6.7 and then and then they get raises after that right I don’t know if you exactly like if um Halo K Jesus Haywood or Caleb right would want like bigger raises than just like the the 8% or whatever that they’re entitled to so I don’t know how that would work out it feels lower than what we thought they would get so it even feels a little bit optimistic but yeah that’s what they’ve got to work with they’re basically saying we’d rather bring back one of Haywood or Caleb than get a vet minimum another vet minimum guy Eternal your thoughts on Alec Burks but also now the guard room is as crowded and we talked about the roster maybe is a little unbalanced what are your thoughts on that maybe their approach to that um because I think that that’s like the what the fans are asking next is okay so how are we going to balance this with point of attack defense and with some Wing Defenders and just defense in general with uh guys with quick feet where where are those players going to come from uh what were your thoughts on Alec Burks but also the implications around the roster like Alex said Alex burs um was thrusted into a role that you know he probably wouldn’t have been on any other team um but when you know the call needed to be answered he answered for New York as much as he could uh had a good showing here and there um so I just think adding somebody like that to the back end of your roster that can come in and provide you know some scoring burst or just provide some aing for minutes when you need them especially for a team that’s been deal with some injuries the last you know few seasons um it’s super important so I mean it to me it’s just why today why today today just seems very weird to do that today right like that’s some I mean if you look at the vet minimum signings of the last two seasons just from Miami not anybody else just from Miami um those normally came like a week or two to from now so it’s just interesting that it came today especially when you already have so much of a r roster field out like if you look at Philly Philly only has like nine players literally on the roster so it’s it’s very interesting that for Miami who has so much of their roster field that it came today um with those two players in Thomas Bryant and Alec Burks who you know probably still would have been there um um like by next Friday you know I don’t think you would have been at any risk of the two of them being signed by anybody especially when you have so many other guys that’s are that are available on on the open market right now um as far as addressing the defense uh the perimeter defense um you know it’s funny that you said that about Larson because when we started last season you saw not necessarily for the whole game right but you saw Miami trust uh even for little minutes putting haime on Jason Tatum more or um Jaylen brown or Giannis and you know things of that nature and so I’m interested to see the defensive growth that Jame comes into next season with uh we saw the defensive growth of Nico from like looking lost on defense to being uh trusted in some spaces um even you know having some really good minutes defensively so I’m I’m interested to see the not just overall growth of the young guys but in those particular areas and defense um and I think Larson like you said is you could tell just from his tape um even the energy of the video that the heat dropped um from I don’t now that’s the thing I don’t know I don’t know the videos that where in lson are those from this past weekend or if those are like their draft workout videos um but you can just tell the energy that Larson is a rugged player just generally and a rugged Defender so but I I don’t necessarily have the same concern that everybody else does for the perimeter defense I think their defense will look a little bit different overall this season um but yeah not necessarily concerned the roster is full and I don’t think it’s going to stay that way yeah I mean I guess that’s what he fans say what my bad I didn’t mean to interrupt you um I was saying I I was just looking up the numbers on on Alec Burks for what he did against the Pacers in the playoffs it’s kind of wild like I it was a wild sample but you know he averaged just 18 points four rebounds and an assist in the five games that he played for the Knicks in the playoffs against the Pacers so he’s not going to average that for the heat not saying that you know um but he his last NBA game played was a game seven where he dropped 26 points in 27 minutes got to the line eight times so like you know they picked up a productive player in Alec Burks and I already know people are going to be upset next season when he’s getting minutes over P Larson and and I I do think Larsson should play by the way I’m rooting for him I I want to see him in this rotation because like Eternal was talking about like I think think he’s a competitive Defender he’s he’s you know um not like a a very skinny kid right he’s already got some weight on him is’s still going to put on more obviously as he as he grows I think he he fights over screens on defense so I think like if perimeter defense is already a question I think you would want to play him it’s just when you I know people don’t want to hear but when you start going through the roster like it’s that rotation is already starting to look full if you assume that uh that um kle we is going to be playing in the rotation from day one if you assume love is in there haime um Duncan and then that so that’s already a ninan rotation right uh assuming Terry Tyler and yovic start and then you get to Jay Rich Burks pel lson so uh obviously if Jay Rich is out like it and and then now they’ve got Burks there it just feels like you know we we I don’t know how much of Larsson we see unless they just like to go small and one of love orwar is not in the rotation for an exit perimeter guy so it’s a little the the roster is a little weird right now like I think SPO can actually get you to a League average defense even with a roster like that and but is that offense like good enough you know what I mean yeah now that’s an interesting perspective in terms of SPO and Bam will probably get you um to some kind of respectability on defense but it’s interesting because the the team just feels like it needs a shakeup I think we’ve all ackn knowled of that but I just don’t know that there is one out there to be had at this moment you have to hope that something opportunistic pops up Eternal final thoughts before we close yes I have a tweet that I want to read uh just came up from Keith Smith who made a very good point uh as we talked about why we haven’t been seeing any kind of fireworks anything like that I read this very briefly um Keith Smith Keith Smith NBA on Twitter says talking to some tonight and it sounds like what’s been worked on now is expanding some of the previous previously agreed upon trades there are also talks of trying some deals of tying some deals together into bigger deals essentially teams are trying to find ways to make mutually beneficial trades related to this with most of the best free agents off the board it sounds like trades are probably the next wave anyone looking to make a Major Impact move is going to have to do it via trade at this point that is music to Heat fans ears and I am glad that’s how we’re ending this episode because we hope that there are trades because when there are trades people love to listen to this show and so we we will lean into that all day and I’m not afraid to say that thank you for joining us uh we will dive into the next wave of whatever comes the Miami Heats way soon thank you to Alex thank you to eternal shout out to prize pick shout out to water cleanup of Florida if you got the Schmutz they got the guts peace out

Greg, Alex and @EternalBast briefly go over the recent DeMar DeRozan rumors before addressing the re-signing of Thomas Bryant before they eventually picked up free agent Alec Burks, both on veteran minimum deals.

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