1. It seems clear that the Clippers FO wanted to bring PG back on a deal they seemed content with. 2/$60 million sounds kind of crazy but after the seasons prior I assume they thought this was the contract he was worth. I guess as PG discussed in the video, the FO saw they had something with this core (with Harden) but were still adamant on a contract value they liked and hence finally offering him the 3/$150 (same as Kawhi). I feel like PG by then already felt slighted and so asked for the organization death sentence factor…a no trade clause. A no trade clause unless your LeBron freaking James is not beneficial to the team in any way, for example. Bradley Beal is making $50 million and can’t be moved (lo) for roster depth or betterment
2. The FO probably knew prior to the season ending that PG would walk. Balmer and L Frank aren’t stupid, there’s something they’re planning but we may have to be patient and see it thru.
3. The new CBA is brutal. Being a 2nd Apron team is almost a season killer if your roster isn’t built properly. I assume they had this in mind while negotiating the contract with PG and viewed roster flexibility as the bigger priority.
4. Roster Flexibility, that’s what we gain from this. I know it’s sucks he walked for nothing but it’s the opportunities we’ll have in the future that will make this decision good.
5. Being able to sign decent Free Agents was what we got with PG walking. Can they make up for his production…probably not but it gives us the ability to have some good depth and take chances on younger players with good upside. We have gotten younger and more athletic with recent signings.
6. The Kawhi and PG era lasted 5 years. And we only had 3 playoff wins in that span…as Charles Barkley says that’s Turrrible. Like it is astonishingly bad. We know have the chance to retool and see if the Kawhi and Harden era can bring us a Chip.
7. Lot to look forward to this upcoming season. Intuit Dome is going to be awesome and our schedule will be a lot better now that we don’t share with the other Southern California team. JH being aggressive is going to be fun to watch. I have no doubt Harden can put of great numbers next year. He graciously took a back seat last year to help us and now he’ll be a 2nd option and 1st on many nights. Winning a championship isn’t easy but maybe just maybe this team has what it takes. Going to be fun being the underdog again.
Side Note: PG thank you for all the memories. It was a pleasure to watch him play for LA. I have no ill will towards him. He chose the bag and deservedly so. I will cherish his time here. He wasn’t the most consistent but god damn some nights he just had that aura. What a ride.
McJumbos
Seems like the FO was fair but not stupid
Mysterious-Ad4966
60m for 2 years is pretty disrespectful.
Would gladly pay 35m for 3,4 years of PG, maybe 40.
He not worth 50 that’s for damn sure.
PG was right to ask for NTC, however.
BenchSanta
I’m just repeating myself but this mf had just came of one of the worst seasons of his careers at 33 (injury wise, i.e., missed time plus play-in), pushed to get wall and his friends so he didn’t have to do the “dirty work” or the ball passing, publicy said he’s the “glue guy” or even a #2, went to have the worst post-season of his career and asks for the same money as Kawhi plus the NTC (which not even Kawhi has and whom the clippers probably also want to retire as a clipper) or a 4th year with max (meaning clippers would be in second appron)?
Yeah, the 2/60 seems low but that’s where you start when you begin negotiations… Plus, hell of a way to prove them wrong with a stinker of post season. Good luck in philly 🙌
token_reddit
Bye Paul. Good luck getting to the ECF.
Asleep-Eggplant-6337
2y $60m isn’t a low ball. He’s about the same age as Harden and Derozan. Harden got 2yr $70m as a former MVP and is still obviously better than PG. Derozan got 3yr $76m but the last year only had $10m guaranteed. PG is at same level of Derozan but his more accommodating skillset put him above. A 2yr $80m or 3y $100m is the appropriate contract for him. His image of “tall, athletic, skillful, 2-way player” won him the max contract from 76ers. He’s not anywhere near who people think he is. He also had a 15% trade kicker from 76ers which essentially is a no-trade clause. 76ers overpaid hard time.
AngsMcgyvr
I get why both sides wanted what they wanted. I feel like in the old CBA, the Clips probably would have just paid him and everyone would have figured it out later.
In the new CBA, the punishments are so severe that accepting the penalties to put a weaker roster out there is just not a logical option.
zggystardust71
PG was inconsistent his entire run with the Clippers. Some nights he looked like the go to guy. Too many others, he was a non-factor. Plus he’s as injury prone as Kawhi. If they offered him 3 years, $150 million to match Kawhi he should have taken it if he really wanted to be in LA. No one gets a no-trade contract these days.
LoveProfessional7092
So basically PG was (eventually) offered a deal similar to Kawhi but he wanted a no trade clause. Steve Ballmer promised PG that they had no intention of trading him and wanted him there forever. PG wanted it in writing and they declined. PG was like why take less only to get traded, when you can trade now and get more. It’s going to end in a trade either way so might as well get the max. I get it. I don’t blame him.
Meanwhile the Clippers FO would have been under the second apron and been able to keep PG with Harden and Kawhi all by giving him a no trade clause but decided to lose him for nothing after they gave away everything to get him. Ridiculous. I hope Philly makes it to the finals. I hope we do too lol. But I’m over the Clips FO “business” decisions right now.
MyChristInBrother
It’s a business at this point. Idk how you can say either side did the other wrong. Clippers wanted pg on a much lower salary than he’s been accustomed to and PG felt slighted by it. Feel like they just wanted to break up. Maybe PG did want to stay but you can’t say you gave them a good offer after having given a low ball first
Final_Ad_3456
At the end of the day, if plays like a 50m plus player, he’ll get that contract. But he barely did. He was inconsistent and barely turned up in the playoffs. He was also injured quite a few times, and he can’t pass… and his dribbling and getting to the rim has declined. He then has the cheek to sit there and demand a max contract when he knows he’s declining as a player. He’s going to hate playing in the 76ers and those fans. If he has a few bad games here or there, especially in the playoffs, they’ll want him gone. But hey, they now have a new scapegoat for Embiid.
James Harden was supposed to be the 3rd option, and he was supposed to take time to settle in… but he ended up being the 2nd option. He’s done everything in his power to help the team… and I’m sure he can easily average 20 points and 9 to 10 assists every night next season. People like to talk shit about Harden, but he’s more of a team player than most players in the league.
mfa82
Don’t blame PG for demanding his job security. It was a business decision from both sides. Move on…
dkdoki
No one was wrong. Each had their own interests as they should and this breakup( a yr too late in my opinion) was eventually coming.
PalletTownsDealer
Well PG good luck with your lil podcast. Deuces.
SetElectrical3978
2 for 60 is an insane offer. That’s Hartenstein money.
Tripwire1716
It’s a business but if they really could’ve gotten him for 3 years with an ntc then that is FO malpractice. Without him you are struggling to be a play-in team with no picks. That shit will sell in this sub due to PG derangement syndrome but nowhere else, and that sentiment will dry up fast around here when the losing starts.
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My Thoughts:
1. It seems clear that the Clippers FO wanted to bring PG back on a deal they seemed content with. 2/$60 million sounds kind of crazy but after the seasons prior I assume they thought this was the contract he was worth. I guess as PG discussed in the video, the FO saw they had something with this core (with Harden) but were still adamant on a contract value they liked and hence finally offering him the 3/$150 (same as Kawhi). I feel like PG by then already felt slighted and so asked for the organization death sentence factor…a no trade clause. A no trade clause unless your LeBron freaking James is not beneficial to the team in any way, for example. Bradley Beal is making $50 million and can’t be moved (lo) for roster depth or betterment
2. The FO probably knew prior to the season ending that PG would walk. Balmer and L Frank aren’t stupid, there’s something they’re planning but we may have to be patient and see it thru.
3. The new CBA is brutal. Being a 2nd Apron team is almost a season killer if your roster isn’t built properly. I assume they had this in mind while negotiating the contract with PG and viewed roster flexibility as the bigger priority.
4. Roster Flexibility, that’s what we gain from this. I know it’s sucks he walked for nothing but it’s the opportunities we’ll have in the future that will make this decision good.
5. Being able to sign decent Free Agents was what we got with PG walking. Can they make up for his production…probably not but it gives us the ability to have some good depth and take chances on younger players with good upside. We have gotten younger and more athletic with recent signings.
6. The Kawhi and PG era lasted 5 years. And we only had 3 playoff wins in that span…as Charles Barkley says that’s Turrrible. Like it is astonishingly bad. We know have the chance to retool and see if the Kawhi and Harden era can bring us a Chip.
7. Lot to look forward to this upcoming season. Intuit Dome is going to be awesome and our schedule will be a lot better now that we don’t share with the other Southern California team. JH being aggressive is going to be fun to watch. I have no doubt Harden can put of great numbers next year. He graciously took a back seat last year to help us and now he’ll be a 2nd option and 1st on many nights. Winning a championship isn’t easy but maybe just maybe this team has what it takes. Going to be fun being the underdog again.
Side Note:
PG thank you for all the memories. It was a pleasure to watch him play for LA. I have no ill will towards him. He chose the bag and deservedly so. I will cherish his time here. He wasn’t the most consistent but god damn some nights he just had that aura. What a ride.
Seems like the FO was fair but not stupid
60m for 2 years is pretty disrespectful.
Would gladly pay 35m for 3,4 years of PG, maybe 40.
He not worth 50 that’s for damn sure.
PG was right to ask for NTC, however.
I’m just repeating myself but this mf had just came of one of the worst seasons of his careers at 33 (injury wise, i.e., missed time plus play-in), pushed to get wall and his friends so he didn’t have to do the “dirty work” or the ball passing, publicy said he’s the “glue guy” or even a #2, went to have the worst post-season of his career and asks for the same money as Kawhi plus the NTC (which not even Kawhi has and whom the clippers probably also want to retire as a clipper) or a 4th year with max (meaning clippers would be in second appron)?
Yeah, the 2/60 seems low but that’s where you start when you begin negotiations… Plus, hell of a way to prove them wrong with a stinker of post season. Good luck in philly 🙌
Bye Paul. Good luck getting to the ECF.
2y $60m isn’t a low ball. He’s about the same age as Harden and Derozan. Harden got 2yr $70m as a former MVP and is still obviously better than PG. Derozan got 3yr $76m but the last year only had $10m guaranteed. PG is at same level of Derozan but his more accommodating skillset put him above. A 2yr $80m or 3y $100m is the appropriate contract for him. His image of “tall, athletic, skillful, 2-way player” won him the max contract from 76ers. He’s not anywhere near who people think he is. He also had a 15% trade kicker from 76ers which essentially is a no-trade clause. 76ers overpaid hard time.
I get why both sides wanted what they wanted. I feel like in the old CBA, the Clips probably would have just paid him and everyone would have figured it out later.
In the new CBA, the punishments are so severe that accepting the penalties to put a weaker roster out there is just not a logical option.
PG was inconsistent his entire run with the Clippers. Some nights he looked like the go to guy. Too many others, he was a non-factor. Plus he’s as injury prone as Kawhi. If they offered him 3 years, $150 million to match Kawhi he should have taken it if he really wanted to be in LA. No one gets a no-trade contract these days.
So basically PG was (eventually) offered a deal similar to Kawhi but he wanted a no trade clause. Steve Ballmer promised PG that they had no intention of trading him and wanted him there forever. PG wanted it in writing and they declined. PG was like why take less only to get traded, when you can trade now and get more. It’s going to end in a trade either way so might as well get the max. I get it. I don’t blame him.
Meanwhile the Clippers FO would have been under the second apron and been able to keep PG with Harden and Kawhi all by giving him a no trade clause but decided to lose him for nothing after they gave away everything to get him.
Ridiculous. I hope Philly makes it to the finals. I hope we do too lol. But I’m over the Clips FO “business” decisions right now.
It’s a business at this point. Idk how you can say either side did the other wrong. Clippers wanted pg on a much lower salary than he’s been accustomed to and PG felt slighted by it. Feel like they just wanted to break up. Maybe PG did want to stay but you can’t say you gave them a good offer after having given a low ball first
At the end of the day, if plays like a 50m plus player, he’ll get that contract. But he barely did. He was inconsistent and barely turned up in the playoffs. He was also injured quite a few times, and he can’t pass… and his dribbling and getting to the rim has declined. He then has the cheek to sit there and demand a max contract when he knows he’s declining as a player. He’s going to hate playing in the 76ers and those fans. If he has a few bad games here or there, especially in the playoffs, they’ll want him gone. But hey, they now have a new scapegoat for Embiid.
James Harden was supposed to be the 3rd option, and he was supposed to take time to settle in… but he ended up being the 2nd option. He’s done everything in his power to help the team… and I’m sure he can easily average 20 points and 9 to 10 assists every night next season. People like to talk shit about Harden, but he’s more of a team player than most players in the league.
Don’t blame PG for demanding his job security. It was a business decision from both sides. Move on…
No one was wrong. Each had their own interests as they should and this breakup( a yr too late in my opinion) was eventually coming.
Well PG good luck with your lil podcast. Deuces.
2 for 60 is an insane offer. That’s Hartenstein money.
It’s a business but if they really could’ve gotten him for 3 years with an ntc then that is FO malpractice. Without him you are struggling to be a play-in team with no picks. That shit will sell in this sub due to PG derangement syndrome but nowhere else, and that sentiment will dry up fast around here when the losing starts.
Terrible way to open a new arena.