Miami Heat: How can Rozier and Herro work? | Five on the Floor

Miami Heat: How can Rozier and Herro work? | Five on the Floor

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on the floor here’s today’s floor plan I want to try to get through this episode without stumbling coughing or anything like that just getting over cold uh I’m Ethan skull you can follow me Ethan J skull at five Reon Sports we got Brady Hawk you can follow me at Brady Hawk 305 and at Alex too you can follow him at Tropical blanket all right so as I mentioned this topic is pulled from our Discord server we feel like we haven’t done enough on Terry Rosier specifically and so we wanted to get into him a little bit more but there’s sort of the larger context here which is that as of right now Terry Roser and ter and Tyler hero are both on the roster and we have talked about the fit and I’ve kind of I guess I don’t know I’ve been very negative about the fit um very negative about the upside of it uh just because again it’s two smaller guards in an NBA that is getting bigger and it’s two guards that are not known primarily for their defense I mean Terry I think at best you could say is maybe an average Defender Tyler has his moments particularly off the floor but we know that he gets hunted quite a bit and so I think we want to spin this the other direction and this was the idea that came out of our Discord how do they make it work because there are going to be minutes that they’re going to have to play together whether they start or they don’t they’re often going to close together with the current roster construction and they’re certainly going to play together during the game like they’re not going to be separated all the time and there was some excitement about the two of them playing together last year and it’s something that I talked to Tyler about and he said you know at a certain point he thought that more of the attention was going to start going to Terry once Terry started shooting the ball better Again by the time that that happened Tyler was out and then when Tyler came back Terry was out so we never really got to see it um I want to go to you first Alex because on some of the numbers stuff you have I think clarified that as much as I’ve been negative on the Tyler Terry combination with a lot of these combinations the the Duncan Terry combination has not really been better right I mean so let let’s start there before we get into how they maximize this well yeah that was that was one that I saw recently and again just to kind of couch all of this like a lot of this stuff with Terry the line of data is very small sample so I’m not trying to make you know declarations based on lineup data but you know there is stuff that you that you can look for Trends I guess and I guess like the the biggest Trend that you can find when it comes to the Rosier and Tyler pairing is that the defensive rating is never great and that does kind of you know it tracks with what the the traditional thinking would be that it’s too small of a back court um what you do see a lot of times is that the offensive rating is much higher too so it’s it’s one of these things where like the the numbers are are supporting what you would think right it’s not very surprising but like the other day the one that I mentioned on the Pod where you know the the lineup with Terry Tyler and Bam that three-man unit um was actually more effective than Terry Duncan and Bam but Terry Duncan and Bam got a lot more playing time so it’s not exactly you know Apples to Apples I just thought that was that specific one was just kind of interesting because you would think it would be the other way around and there was kind of a big gap in net rating between those two but that’s just one example like when you look at Rosier and Tyler together um you know overall without you know kind of filtering for certain guys on certain guys off if you just do tyon Tyler it’s a negative uh 2.8 net rating and it’s a 119 offensive rating and a 122 defensive rating so that’s just kind of the broad view of it without getting into other kinds of comp uh combinations but you know the gist of it is that their offense goes up right it makes sense like they have two guys who can score from different areas of the floor I know people are not going to call Tyler a three LEL scorer but like both of those guys can score in different ways can both shoot can both create for themselves not the same type of player but they give you more offense and that’s what the numbers are showing too um then if you look at like Rosier Tyler Jimmy and Bam together right um what a lot of people would say it’s probably the four best players on the team that comes out to a negative 1.3 net so that’s not exactly the most encouraging thing because you know that’s that’s kind of your core right there you’d want them to play better together again all of this is small sample size this one for example is only 118 minutes and it’s a similar thing 118 offensive rating 119 defensive rating so I I think they have to figure out ways to mitigate um kind of the problems with their defense while also trying to maximize having an extra Creator on the floor at all times um you know one of the ones that was really good just interest inly enough and this is only in 44 minutes so really a minus a minuscule sample size Terry plus Tyler plus bam that’s the one I mentioned before right plus 15 net rating and then you look at Terry plus Tyler plus Jimmy without bam minus 45 and that’s in 22 minutes so again these are really really small sample sizes we really just need to see like a lot more you know to get a an actual Fair sample but yeah it’s just kind of all over the place right now all right so let let’s get to it I mean 22-minute sample size I mean even I and and we know sometimes I pull on you know Co from the sample small sample siiz theater wasn’t that Christian Hernandez’s thing on my yeah he even had yeah he even had music for that he had uh he he he had a whole thing that went with that I I 22 minutes I can’t you know it’s just it’s it’s too little um we I don’t even I had to know who they were playing what the circumstances were all of that um but it is interesting to me that the Rosier Robinson thing now again when you can pull these numbers anything by the time that Rosier got going Duncan had kind of Fallen apart physically so I think that needs to be read into it also like there are there are sort of I don’t know there are other factors there uating factors to all of this um it would seem on paper though that Rosier and Robinson would work depending on what you want your point guard to be and that’s part of what I wanted to get into here because I think that plays into the Rosier hero combination but also plays into some of these point guards that are trying to impress excuse me impress the heat right now whether it’s Drew Smith who already has the two-way or Zion Pullin or Isaiah Stevens right like all of these the heat don’t ask the same thing from their point guards typically in the spoler era that other teams ask of their point guards not not as ball dominant even during the big three year am Mar Norris Cole played very much off the ball playing off of superstars um should the before we get to hero and Rosier should the Robinson Rosier combination work Brady if Duncan is healthy 100% it it definitely should they’re kind of like the perfect fit in terms of what you want your offense to be um and like you said there there’s circumstances to those numbers like when Duncan originally had it going Terry was just trying to get acclimated and the shot wasn’t falling and then Terry got the shot to start falling and then Duncan’s back got messed up and he kind of started tailing off toward the end of the season so like their peaks never really lined up it feels like in the regular season so I think that matters um but 100% they fit in terms of Duncan not needing the ball in his hands Terry being in a position where he’s more comfortable what he’s more used to where he can kind of just dictate for others and kind of play that role and like they they got to a point where they were trying to force Tyler into like this ghost screening role where they wanted to do guard guard actions but it’s so much more natural for Duncan because it’s Duncan’s that’s his home base like slipping screens into threes uh forcing mismatches for Terry like that’s what they wanted to get to and it feel felt like they actually got good offense around it but I think we’re focusing on the guards for good reason but like when you bring up Terry Tyler or Terry Duncan I don’t think it’s just the backourt thing like it it I think it’s more so about who’s next to the two guards like that’s where it is for me like it’s I think Terry and Tyler could work I’m higher on that than I think most people for the offensive side of things defensively I am worried about it like I think you have to really put the right guys around those guys defensively to make it last like to really put like valuable minutes together throughout a regular season game um but the offense I think they can they can get around it if they right run the right lineups like you were talking about some of the numbers Alex and like some of the stuff like the when you was like Jimmy bam Terry Tyler where it’s like their main players it really was a little bit rougher like there was certain points where it’s like they need to work as a like as a whole because there’s so much usage to be spread around because it’s not just Terry and Tyler and I know what everybody wants to put a lot on Tyler but it is kind of everybody trying to figure out their role and in this hypothetical situation where we’re kind of expecting Jimmy in a contract season to have the ball a little bit more I’d say in the regular season like we expecting him I guess to be have that little bit of an extra Edge offensively in this regular season it takes a little bit more usage as well so they’re going to have to find that that combination I guess but I’m thinking I was thinking about certain lineups because you do have to kind of stagger them a little bit and in some ways I kind of feel like the them going big is beneficial to the two like if you hypothetically as everybody wants to talk about like the wear bam lineups I’m a fan of it with Terry and Tyler like if you’re gonna put two guys out there defensively that get picked on how about you have a guy in bam weak side that could cover things up and wear who’s just a big body and drop that could kind of close things off in the rim when things break down so it’s like it’s more so about that the issue with the Terry Tyler lineups is like you’re looking around at those lineups and it’s Kevin Love trying to recover on a blitz with Terry and Tyler and then all of a sudden you’re on a four on two backside and it things break down so I think that is what needs to be figured out like putting the haywoods of the world the kashad Johnson’s now the the Wares like all these different lineups they can put together but offensively I’m not worried but they do Terry I guess Terry’s spot up three definitely is going to dictate a lot of it like if if he’s shooting the way he was late in that regular season last year it’s going to work like they they’re not going to have any worries about it and if he’s just shooting the volume of Threes that he was shooting it can 100% work um so I’m not worried about them working together it’s more about their individual selves like putting themselves and taking the right shots and being in the right spots on the floor Alex to that point I mean when we’ve talked about Tyler there is a perception that his usage takes away from efficient usage for others that I don’t know if that’s fair but that is a common fan perception and it was a fan perception even when he was shooting like 4739 85 uh at one point last season like these are not Jordan pool numbers like he he was I me his efficiency dropped as the year went on and obviously he got hurt um and then he had the one incredibly efficient game in the playoffs and the other four were not but like he he hasn’t been like this this you know the perception of him as a chucker is just not fair based on the numbers that he puts up I mean Chuckers don’t shoot close to 40% from three on on reasonably high volume but there is a perception again that his usage is detrimental to the team because you would rather have hey Jimmy have the usage um I think there are other factors involved in that it sort of shows Jimmy’s overall engagement in it or bam to have the usage in in in qu you know places but honestly I mean Tyler’s efficiency numbers are are are as good or better than rosier’s and yet it seemed like there are Heat fans who wanted more of it to tilt to Rosier is this unfair to Tyler and can he be efficient with Terry I think so I definitely think as far as the the second question um that he can be efficient with Terry like like I said kind of what I was saying before with the numbers a lot of the stuff there is really like the defense is a problem when they’re on the floor together not the offense and and honestly I think that tracks so what we were seeing like when we did get to see them play together um specifically Tyler and Terry I think they I Tyler was starting to play a little bit more off ball and I think they were starting to incorporate that a little bit more and he was very and and again like I know a lot of people are very cynical about this and don’t really think that he’ll continue to take those steps and and grow into that type of player who is more off ball than on ball um and whatever like that’s fine you can have the opinion but Tyler was you know publicly at least very open about playing that way I thought he was you know going in that direction you know when they actually did get to play to play together and the the results were decent like again they were not World beaters you know when all their best players were on the floor at the same time it wasn’t great but as far as when them two were playing together with at one more guy because what I did notice just a kind of a side note is that when you take off one of those four guys a lot of times the three man units were good the only one that that was terrible was the one that I mentioned before with Terry Tyler and Jimmy with no bam but outside of that like the other combinations of three of those four were were pretty good and specifically on the offensive end and so to me like I’m just C I’m just curious before you continue I if the fourth guy is love instead of bam what does that look like I mean I’ll have to get those numbers uh you’re saying I mean every every grouping dips though when it’s not bam in the lineup so it’s like it’s not even on those didn’t but Brady some of them didn’t dip with love that’s why I’m asking well I mean some some of the ones with with Jimmy and love together and lineups were were fantastic those were were great throughout the season and were and were very good for them the season before as well but if you’re talking about Terry Tyler and love and Jimmy is that I feel like I feel like yeah I feel like there’s probably a tiny sample size right because because Kevin got hurt I’m just trying to again so much of this was due to lack of availability which is I I know people are going to say I’m feeding into the Heats narrative here but like it’s true likees they were just well I mean they were just they were just right there were just times that these guys just didn’t get a chance to play together for one reason or now that’s an organizational issue that has to be addressed and they they’ve talked a lot about it and apparently they’re trying to address it but this might have been one of the only lineups that wasn’t good between Jimmy and cayb because in 13 minutes the four of them Terry Tyler Jimmy 13 minutes they were almost a minus 35 in that rating again that’s a tiny tiny tiny sample size but see that’s awful ways it’s the fact that they only got 13 minutes out of it that’s the real problem the pro real problem is not the minus 35 the real problem is they got 143 defensive rating okay I guess that’s why I’m saying though like the lineups around the two make kind of are the bigger deal to me like you cannot do that to Kevin like it’s not Kevin’s fault but like you can’t put him in that position where he’s the guy who’s supposed to cover up for all the for these two guards like it’s a it’s a problem so that’s kind of thing and SPO I feel like I trust him to figure out a lot of these things with the two of them but to your point he only has 13 minutes to figure it out like he doesn’t have the time to piece these things together and that’s UL I feels like what the organization wants to see more of I’m more positive about like the um like I just think them staggering and kind of figuring out the lineups around them like Brady’s talking about I feel a lot better about like that part of it than like I think the onus on them this season is gonna have to be on those guys starting together because it’s I mean spok is surpris us right but it could be Duncan instead of Tyler or something like it was at the end of the season but if like we’re all kind of expecting Terry Tyler Nico to start around Jimmy and Bam the onus is gonna be on SPO and them to figure out how to make that lineup Joe and I think it’s you know it’s it’s gonna be tough because you’ve got four guys who you can run offense for and then you know you can count yich in there too but yage is is very much a connective piece in that lineup and so I just think like it’s more about that getting those guys to figure out how to play together because I think once you start getting into different lineups like I’m not as worried because it’s it’s it’s less creators on the floor and they can kind of go back to playing more their game and you know it’s good to have an extra creator that you can you know you can always have at least one of them on the floor and I think that’s what you can feel good about but I don’t think you have to 100% stagger where like they can’t they’re never playing together during the regular season because frankly like you need to figure this out because for as much as you want you could stagger in the playoffs like both of those guys if they’re on your team when the playoffs start if you’re in the playoffs you know they’re gonna be playing a lot of minutes so you got to figure out what works and doesn’t work they also make $53 million between them this year so I mean if if they if you can’t play them together that’s a problem uh particularly because again uh a lot of us were in favor of the trade but um and and I and I want to be clear on one other thing here too and then I will’ll get to our sponsor and then I want to get into a sort of a generic question about point guard play for this team which is that this this idea that I see a lot on are off the floor which is to me a very highend level of Heat fan I’m not just saying that because they’re paying the $299 a month I’m saying it because they’re engaged in this stuff and a lot of them follow the numbers and such um a lot of them are kind of saying well you got Terry with the idea of trading Tyler I don’t think they got Terry with the idea of trading Tyler I I think that trading Tyler has always been kind of an option depending on the circumstances the players available fit and all the rest of that but I don’t think this was okay we’re basically getting Terry at $24 million roughly over two years as opposed to Tyler with what three years left you know at roughly close to 30 million a year and we’re essentially getting a cheaper player with some ation I don’t think they were tending that I think it it gives them more flexibility to trade Tyler but I don’t think it was okay we’re getting him to replace Tyler I I really don’t believe that if somebody uh wants to correct me on that they can but I’ve never heard that and so I I know Heat fans have kind of played into this like well now you got them both on the roster what are you going to do you weren’t supposed to have both on the roster no that was not really the case like I I it was an option to have them both on the roster or not and they do right now and so they got to figure out a way make work all right um want to mention a great sponsor of the five Reon sports that consider talking about making it work make yourself some money here price.com use the code 5 FIV hopefully my soccer plays hit tonight uh use the code five get that original deposit matched up to $100 against it’s FIV you can play anything there pretty much they’ve got still got like even without the NBA and the NHL right now they got like 10 sports on there that you can play set your lineups for up to four players win on the power play and again you can win big so go to priz pick.com use the code 5 FIV get that initial deposit matched up to $100 still honestly still the best fantasy game even with some of the changes here in the State of Florida all right point guard position in general okay because look I I came up during the time where you know again Pat had magic little hard to compare anybody to him okay then he goes to New York he had Doc Rivers um he he had uh Chris Childs Charlie Ward um I believe I think child well child might have come in with Van Gundy so if if I missing the year there uh I apologize I think Charlie Ward was there when he was there Derek Harper was the other one so and Derek and and Doc were both accomplished you know bring the ball up the court point guards I mean Derk Harper could play off the ball um doc was a very good Defender I mean all the jokes about doc as a coach he was a very good NBA player um particularly when he was with uh was with the Hawks Derrick Harper was an excellent NBA player when he was with the Mavericks both of them were a little up in age played for him there he comes to Miami and what does Pat do in his first uh you know full season he trades for Tim Hardway who was at the time uh sort of banished to the bench behind BJ Armstrong of all people this was not even Chicago BJ Armstrong Tim was basically considered to be cooked Pat went out and got him in a trade Tim changed his game excuse me to play in Miami became more of a halfcourt player with a knuckle ball jumper and all that stuff and ended up in the Hall of Fame okay so he had a floor General like things went through Tim Tim was the heartbeat of that team people talk about zo and yes zo set the the standard all the rest of that stuff with but Tim was Tim was the barometer if Tim was playing well they won that’s kind of how it worked with them you kind of knew what you were getting from zo so after Tim and he Fades out they had a bunch of guys Anthony Carter uh sort of an older Travis best Etc Dwayne briefly right and then they sort of went to this off ball point guard thing was Damon Jones for a year now Jay will was not he was the opposite of that before he came to Miami but like they coached it out of him to the point that like we were begging for him to be white chocolate like it was like you know he was like I mean Jay will conformed completely okay you get out of that though and then you get to the big three and I mentioned it’s been it was chamers who Rio was not a conventional bring up the ball point guard he was more of an offthe ball guy um defend okay very valuable to those teams Norris to a certain extent was sort of likeed that also he improved his jumper while he was with Miami and and so they really have’t and then you know they go after and dragic who was more of a scorer from the position Lowry who was kind of cooked I mean let’s just be honest okay so it’s hard for me to get a read on what exactly they’re looking for or spos looking for from his point guards and Brady I want to put this into the context not just of Rosier but of the others who are in the mix now because this isaia stamens is really interesting like he is a traditional don’t turn the ball over get the ball to the guy in the right place point guard Drew Smith for all the jokes is pretty good Defender actually okay was showing that last year and Zion Pand seems to have some athleticism a little bit of Wiggle um this what do you think they’re looking for in a point point guard and how does that play because Josh is not a point guard like they’re using Josh as a temporary point guard he’s not a point guard what do you think they’re looking for at the position so I think they’re looking when they’re talking about a starting point guard and a backup point guard I think they evaluate it in two totally different ways I think like when you’re talking about a starting guy like Rosier you mentioned with Goron like they’re not looking for a a set your guy up starting point guard because they have a rest of the roster that can do it they have guys their fourman and Nico can run an off like set up a half court offense their fiveman even though he doesn’t think he’s a five in bam uh can set up an offense you have so many different valves that they want a guy more so that could play off the ball as for like a backup point guard I think it’s more like they want the guy who’s gonna have the ball in his hands the least they want the guy that could just get the ball to your trigger in the half court and move on you want the guy that can make the right decision Stevens is a guy like you said perfect example he’s just a really good under contr control point guard that can make the right passes he makes really good read Poland I feel like is the same way under control doesn’t make turnovers Drew Smith as you said same thing that’s why they like him that’s why they keep bringing him back as much as you people he’s been compared to poer and alandz Williams they don’t want the guy that’s going to be all over the place offensively that could score the ball at a high level they want the guy that could get the get the ball to the NBA level guys that are rotation pieces that can get out the way that can defend on the other end um and just not be a liability I guess uh so I think they evaluated in two total to different ways but they can be SPO will be lenient with the starting guy like with the high talented player like you just get that guy and you find him a way to place him into that system where it’s like if you start working in these undrafted guys you need the guy that’s just going to make the least mistakes it’s really that simple so it helps with the roster they have as much as we talk about their roster construction the fact that they have so many passing bigs and wings it allows them to be a little bit they could transform their their guard position in scoring I guess in different ways but uh SPO would be mad that you even asked that question about the point guard position because he probably doesn’t even think the point guard position is a thing anymore like they could they just want guys that it’s a guy that’s at the top of top of the key a guy that’s screening a guy that does this and that so last thing I want to say really quickly because I wanted to hit on it before from the first half of the episode what like talking about things that like certain guys can do like I think that everybody could transform like we’re talking about Tyler off the ball or Rosier off the ball one thing that I’m curious to see just a random thing I was thinking about when you guys were bringing it up I think it was in 2020 when Jimmy was like doing a lot of things off the roll like screening a lot and playing in that short roll area where if he decides like I could play in this role I get easy opportunities push shot mid-range play off the rooll with these guys try to force mismatches like that opens up so much like if he’s playing in these positions next to Tyler Tyler and Rosier that is just trying to set up this starting lineup if he can instead of sitting in the corner and and or or just kind of holding the the ball a lot and and playing these other roles if he could just like transform into a little bit more rolling and screening I feel like it opens up so much for those guards so it’s like I know all the blame gets put on the on the back court specifically but I think it’s more so about creating an offense and to be honest it’s not on SPO because he doesn’t have the opportunity to look into a lot of this stuff but I’m just curious to see like if with a full off season with knowing what your roster is and and and kind of getting a a temperature check I guess on who you have like I I just want to see how they train form because they they’re running it back but they can’t run back the same exact formula like they have to change the formula and some things offensively it can’t just be the same things we saw late in the regular season yeah we’ve seen SPO do these transformations in the off season um I think part of it Alex is that we talk about the point guards again a lot of it depends on who else they have on the roster and I mentioned like Rio and Norris were kind of off the ball point guards because they had LeBron and Dwayne uh you know to to be the hubs of their offense and in some ways you know he’s he’s made Jimmy and Bam that during this period of time but do you think a role could Rosier go beyond the Dr troll as a Creator what do you mean by that I’m a little confused by the question in other words I don’t want to have to ask it sorry my fault my fault I should I’m gonna I’m gonna talk you get your so look what I understood the question as was like can he be more than Goron as far as like a scorer right so Goron has like that reputation of being like that scoring point guard that the he have been lacking who can get to the rim who can score at all three levels and you know they’ve been lacking ever since right and I think Terry has kind of got some of that pressure I think Terry like and we talked about this while he was here too like he has really exceeded expectations as a passer and that doesn’t mean like he’s Elite he’s up there with like the superstars but as like a as as far as like a sub All-Star type of player I think he’s there as far as passing and when you look at like some of the numbers he had his best His Highest assist percentage in the league by far last year and also did it while keeping his turnovers down he had a basically a 26 and a half um assist percentage which is which is um which finished in the 90th percentile and the a nine turnover percentage which was in the 80th percentile so he does a good job not only taking care of the ball but making plays all that being said I wouldn’t consider him a pass first point guard like he looks for his bucket right I I think he is somebody who will look to get paint touches and that is beneficial for the heat as well not a great finisher but gets to the paint and can create for others after doing that and I think that’s an important layer of offense that they you know got when they traded for him but you know the fact that he can play off ball I think that’s that this is kind of like what makes Terry so intriguing right is that if you just look at him individually like it’s a lot of facets that he adds um to the heat when you talk about on ball being able to create in the paint when you talk about off ball a guy who has been known is a streaky shooter but I I I pretty much trust the shot I just think like he is somebody who can get in Rhythm by taking some higher difficulty ones because he’s just good at it right like he’s pretty good at taking shots out of out of off a screen but he he can be he can play on or off ball and that’s what’s so intriguing to me about Terry because he doesn’t have to just play one way but usually when you talk about a player like that they’re also not this good at passing and creating for others so you know I just want to give him the credit there because I think he is kind of a better passer at least in I remember maybe may maybe this is wrong here maybe it’s a little bold but I feel like he is better he might be a better passer than Goron was and I think Goran was just a much much much better finisher at the rim and I think that’s kind of what I’ve seen separate the two the most because they don’t have an exactly similar game but like the way they play like Terry I think is is a is a better like kind of off the dribble shooter right like high difficulty shots you know a step back I think he’s better at that than Goron I think they’re both pretty good passers so I’m not trying to say like Goron sucked as a pass or anything like that but Terry like you got to give him his fair share he’s not just a bucket getting point guard and I can I just add also really quickly that I’m gonna choke yeah I wanted to take the ball for me um as much as we talk about like the off ball stuff and him adapting like they didn’t get this guy like this is just about fit purposes because they didn’t get this guy just to be an off ball you know role playing point guard like Gabe Vincent like they got this guy they went all in on this type of trade to put them over the top in this way that I don’t want it to sound like they’re limiting him like they need him to play his game like they he’s not going to go all out and put a bunch of shots up like he did in Charlotte but they need him to be an on ball pick and roll threat they need him to be a pull-up three-point threat they need him to be getting to the rim and finishing at a much higher level than he did at a good portion of the regular season but he has to be getting volume as much as we talk about splitting up the usage and this and that he has to kind of get those reps and as much as we want a guy like KH we to play and he’s kind of the Hot Topic this offseason if there’s anybody I want to see him play with it’s it’s Terry rir like I want to see that pick a roll because he’s the one guy that could throw that ball up top and kind of get him um some opportunities just as a lob threat and everything else so I just want to make that point because we’re kind of putting it in the context of like trying to make these lineups work and the off ball stuff and his shot following changing things but like they really just need him to play his game and just be himself in a lot of ways for this offense because this offense isn’t pretty neither is my uh presentation tonight um I’m going to close it there I’ll just say this about Goran he became a better passer over time I think particularly as a lob thrower but you’re right it was it was mostly to get his you know for for the majority of his heat tenure there was a willingness I I will say rosier um the low turnover thing with Rosier is really interesting too he doesn’t really make a ton of those mistakes uh which is which is a real positive there so again we’ll see where it goes but I just I wanted to make the point like one of the reasons we did this episode is that I I don’t think this was looked at by the heat as a replacement for Tyler hero there was some consideration of how the two of them would look together and adjustments are going to have to be made by both but also SPO does has had to spend most of this offseason I know he’s with Team USA right now but obviously thinking about how do I maximize this situation and this is who we got we got $53 million tied up in these two players like I can’t play them each 24 minutes like that’s not the way that this is going to go they have to play some together so appreciate Brady and Alex uh drilling down on that hopefully I’ll be better by tomorrow um Alex you want to cut any of that out I don’t I don’t mind it uh check out Valene uh the link right here in the description uh and also by the way not drinking soda is probably not the best thing for this and probably not the best thing for me in general so I’m not a good role model on any of this uh any of this stuff drink water everybody all right also check out prize pictures the code five have a good one everyone thank you for listening to 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