Vogel was handed a shit roster and told to make it work
Estoca
Was last year the season with 42 different lineups? Covid and injuries? Kinda crazy we started this season healthy and went 2-10.
lil_cleverguy
ya we know
ryeasy
Vogel was a complete scapegoat, the roster sucked ass. He’s a good coach. After seeing Lebron + shooters work for 20 years it’s incredible GMs still try to go against it
motorboat_mcgee
Last year’s roster was arguably worse, too.
vitog123
Obvious – he was the scapegoat all along.
TheWhisperingDeath
Offcourse he never was.
Was he completely faultless? No. Frank made lot of mistakes but go to any team’s subreddit and none of them are ever happy with their head coach’s rotation and all lol. Even the likes of Pop and Kerr etc.
Having said that, I like Darvin as well. He has made some rookie head coaches mistakes but overall I have liked what I saw from him yet.
The biggest issue with the team is its horrendous roster construction. Too many PGs, zero wings except LeBron and no good rim-protector except AD. The thing with the PGs that bothers me is, if you’re a team which is small at least you would be a good shooting team. Lakers have undersized guards who can’t shoot. Absolute lunacy.
Mister-Stiglitz
It’s always been roster comp. Totally don’t understand why either. Does the FO not watch every other successful team? It’s all about reliable wings and reliable 3p shooting. Why would you see every successful team having that in spades and not realize that’s what needs to be worked towards?
Bhill2k7
Wasn’t all his fault of course….but they still needed a new coach 😂😂…..those records don’t tell the whole story either
hansislegend
Strength of schedule is night and day.
levantoo
They gave a defensive coach a bunch of small guards and washed players and told him to make it work 🤣 and he’s the one that got fired. Unbelievable.
behappysometimes
He was absolutely a problem. His lineups were also complete dogshit and he had zero offensive identity beyond, “Bron pass the ball to somebody.”
sylsau
The problem is elsewhere, but Rob still refuses to admit it!
dirtykirty3
It’s always been the front office
kaiyoukhan
Stephen A Should see this
S_O_7
At least ae had melo who could take over the game at times
Snifflymoth416
The 4 games that we could have easily won in portland, Philly, Boston and the pacers might end up being the difference with us missing the playoffs
CabbageStockExchange
Vogel was not perfect but I have a hard time slandering the man who brought us 2020 and handed a garbage roster and forced to make it work.
My blame goes to the terrorist who keeps creating these shit rosters around LeBron and AD
nykezztv
Most people with common sense were saying this. But they were really mad with his line ups with a shit roster 😂
TonyThePunisherReyes
Vogel needs a team that can run, space the floor and defend. Last years roster couldn’t really run or defend as hard as Vogel likes we had a poor shooting roster and a “ball dominant point guard who didn’t space the floor or defend well.
You can’t give someone a roster that doesn’t fit the scheme they predominantly run and expect success much less immediate success like the front office did
Ok_Concentrate_75
I don’t think he is a war time consigliere…great for having humble egos and undervalued players playing up but he isn’t a Pat Riley when you have 2 or more big egos and you can get them on a page.
louisseakay
Klutch got what Klutch wanted.
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& now we blame rob
Personal-Noise-8632
Vogel has no offensive schemes gotta see past the record… Vogel has no understanding of modern day nba lineups or rotations… Vogel was not the right fitting coach for LaL… I like him but we should have not extended him and should of made Jkidd our headcoach b4 he departed for Mavs
BaullahBaullah87
Lol this sub. Waffles back and forth. Vogel was not good at maximizing bad rosters. Ham is a first year coach not good at maximizing bad rosters. Vogel wasn’t the reason we were bad but also imo wasn’t the reason we were good. His offensive limitations and ability to get buy in towards the end w this team was shot. The front office is responsible for all personnel decisions. Their inability to assess and manage this team properly w the assets we have is the biggest glaring issue
ZizouGOAT10
FO sabotaged Vogel with the Westbrick trade. Westbrick trade is, always was, and always will be the problem
xCeePee
Vogel got screwed over and I never cared for him at all. It’s hard to tell what power he did and didn’t have anyway.
I kind of like Ham but it’s still an awfully constructed rosters
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u/Frank_Vogel ayo
Who woulda thunk
Vogel was handed a shit roster and told to make it work
Was last year the season with 42 different lineups? Covid and injuries? Kinda crazy we started this season healthy and went 2-10.
ya we know
Vogel was a complete scapegoat, the roster sucked ass. He’s a good coach. After seeing Lebron + shooters work for 20 years it’s incredible GMs still try to go against it
Last year’s roster was arguably worse, too.
Obvious – he was the scapegoat all along.
Offcourse he never was.
Was he completely faultless? No. Frank made lot of mistakes but go to any team’s subreddit and none of them are ever happy with their head coach’s rotation and all lol. Even the likes of Pop and Kerr etc.
Having said that, I like Darvin as well. He has made some rookie head coaches mistakes but overall I have liked what I saw from him yet.
The biggest issue with the team is its horrendous roster construction. Too many PGs, zero wings except LeBron and no good rim-protector except AD. The thing with the PGs that bothers me is, if you’re a team which is small at least you would be a good shooting team. Lakers have undersized guards who can’t shoot. Absolute lunacy.
It’s always been roster comp. Totally don’t understand why either. Does the FO not watch every other successful team? It’s all about reliable wings and reliable 3p shooting. Why would you see every successful team having that in spades and not realize that’s what needs to be worked towards?
Wasn’t all his fault of course….but they still needed a new coach 😂😂…..those records don’t tell the whole story either
Strength of schedule is night and day.
They gave a defensive coach a bunch of small guards and washed players and told him to make it work 🤣 and he’s the one that got fired. Unbelievable.
He was absolutely a problem. His lineups were also complete dogshit and he had zero offensive identity beyond, “Bron pass the ball to somebody.”
The problem is elsewhere, but Rob still refuses to admit it!
It’s always been the front office
Stephen A Should see this
At least ae had melo who could take over the game at times
The 4 games that we could have easily won in portland, Philly, Boston and the pacers might end up being the difference with us missing the playoffs
Vogel was not perfect but I have a hard time slandering the man who brought us 2020 and handed a garbage roster and forced to make it work.
My blame goes to the terrorist who keeps creating these shit rosters around LeBron and AD
Most people with common sense were saying this. But they were really mad with his line ups with a shit roster 😂
Vogel needs a team that can run, space the floor and defend. Last years roster couldn’t really run or defend as hard as Vogel likes we had a poor shooting roster and a “ball dominant point guard who didn’t space the floor or defend well.
You can’t give someone a roster that doesn’t fit the scheme they predominantly run and expect success much less immediate success like the front office did
I don’t think he is a war time consigliere…great for having humble egos and undervalued players playing up but he isn’t a Pat Riley when you have 2 or more big egos and you can get them on a page.
Klutch got what Klutch wanted.
​
& now we blame rob
Vogel has no offensive schemes gotta see past the record…
Vogel has no understanding of modern day nba lineups or rotations…
Vogel was not the right fitting coach for LaL… I like him but we should have not extended him and should of made Jkidd our headcoach b4 he departed for Mavs
Lol this sub. Waffles back and forth. Vogel was not good at maximizing bad rosters. Ham is a first year coach not good at maximizing bad rosters. Vogel wasn’t the reason we were bad but also imo wasn’t the reason we were good. His offensive limitations and ability to get buy in towards the end w this team was shot. The front office is responsible for all personnel decisions. Their inability to assess and manage this team properly w the assets we have is the biggest glaring issue
FO sabotaged Vogel with the Westbrick trade. Westbrick trade is, always was, and always will be the problem
Vogel got screwed over and I never cared for him at all. It’s hard to tell what power he did and didn’t have anyway.
I kind of like Ham but it’s still an awfully constructed rosters