I know +/- has huge limitations but I thought it’s still remarkable that he never had a season with a positive score. How much of this due to the teams and players he has played with and how much is it his performance? And are there any other players with this kind of record?
Not a dig at Lavine, just genuinely curious.
Atrain175
Zach’s career is just going to be a tragedy at this rate, was never on good teams
chidogad3
It’s a bit worse than that too. He has generally only had a positive net rating when he is on the court with Caruso.
He has no positive net rating with any other player besides Caruso.. and Caruso has positive ratings with everyone.
He has very few positive three-man lineups without Caruso, and those are with DeRozan/Williams (+0.8) and Williams/Vuc (+0.4) after the recent stretch of wins.
He also only has a couple of positive four-man lineups without Caruso, and those are DeRozan/Williams/Vuc at (+1.1) and Ayo/DeRozan/Williams at +1 after the recent stretch of wins. The other is Dragic/Jones/Drummond from early in the season at +24.9.
His only positive 5 man lineup without Caruso is the starting lineup which became positive after the most recent game for the first time in months at +0.2.
-Wavy
The stats do tell a story honestly. Even Coby has a positive plus minus this year. He’s a talented player who you just can’t get far with without Celtics, Grizzlies tier depth.
SpaceFace11
I mean would it be that much different if KD or Curry was on our team instead of LaVine? Jimmy Butler? Could Giannis even single handedly fix this team if he replaced LaVine?? See what I’m getting at here?
tallslim1960
Seriously doubt that. I also doubt he’s got the worst W-L record of any max player considering guys like
This guy sucks ass. Why is this the max player the bulls sign. Why are Chicago sports such a heartbreak
SamsonFitz
Wow shocking statistic right there. I didn’t expect it to be great considering so many losing seasons in MN for him. But this year?! Smh, this needs to be posted in his locker to motive him to prove everyone wrong.
blackshaunwhite
He doo doo
imnotberg
He was by far the most valuable 18 million dollar player in the league and he became the least valuable max player overnight.
trubiskywetrust
He’s an empty stats guy. But we already knew that!
Treyred23
Zach has had awful awful teammates until last year.
This year he sucked coming back from knee surgery and his pg is Ayo, who i don’t believe has ever set him up for a bucket?
🤷♀️
Ayo was -199 last year and is -103 so far this year.
huckness
Not a surprise to anyone who knows Basketball. Zach ain’t shit besides a good offense player who can go nuclear once in awhile… Liability on defense and doesn’t even try to make anyone on the court better
Left_Resident_7007
He is in the same tier as Bradley Beal good but not great
VexReloaded
Should have sign and traded him. But the MEAK are dumb so of course they held onto him.
Edit: what even is that picture of him
agniroth
plus/minus has more to do with the team make up imo. This says more about how shit this team is put together than anything else.
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I know +/- has huge limitations but I thought it’s still remarkable that he never had a season with a positive score. How much of this due to the teams and players he has played with and how much is it his performance? And are there any other players with this kind of record?
Not a dig at Lavine, just genuinely curious.
Zach’s career is just going to be a tragedy at this rate, was never on good teams
It’s a bit worse than that too. He has generally only had a positive net rating when he is on the court with Caruso.
He has no positive net rating with any other player besides Caruso.. and Caruso has positive ratings with everyone.
He has very few positive three-man lineups without Caruso, and those are with DeRozan/Williams (+0.8) and Williams/Vuc (+0.4) after the recent stretch of wins.
He also only has a couple of positive four-man lineups without Caruso, and those are DeRozan/Williams/Vuc at (+1.1) and Ayo/DeRozan/Williams at +1 after the recent stretch of wins. The other is Dragic/Jones/Drummond from early in the season at +24.9.
His only positive 5 man lineup without Caruso is the starting lineup which became positive after the most recent game for the first time in months at +0.2.
The stats do tell a story honestly. Even Coby has a positive plus minus this year. He’s a talented player who you just can’t get far with without Celtics, Grizzlies tier depth.
I mean would it be that much different if KD or Curry was on our team instead of LaVine? Jimmy Butler? Could Giannis even single handedly fix this team if he replaced LaVine?? See what I’m getting at here?
Seriously doubt that. I also doubt he’s got the worst W-L record of any max player considering guys like
https://www.sportskeeda.com/basketball/nba-players-5-worst-max-contract-extensions-of-the-last-decade
This guy sucks ass. Why is this the max player the bulls sign. Why are Chicago sports such a heartbreak
Wow shocking statistic right there. I didn’t expect it to be great considering so many losing seasons in MN for him. But this year?! Smh, this needs to be posted in his locker to motive him to prove everyone wrong.
He doo doo
He was by far the most valuable 18 million dollar player in the league and he became the least valuable max player overnight.
He’s an empty stats guy. But we already knew that!
Zach has had awful awful teammates until last year.
This year he sucked coming back from knee surgery and his pg is Ayo, who i don’t believe has ever set him up for a bucket?
🤷♀️
Ayo was -199 last year and is -103 so far this year.
Not a surprise to anyone who knows Basketball. Zach ain’t shit besides a good offense player who can go nuclear once in awhile…
Liability on defense and doesn’t even try to make anyone on the court better
He is in the same tier as Bradley Beal good but not great
Should have sign and traded him. But the MEAK are dumb so of course they held onto him.
Edit: what even is that picture of him
plus/minus has more to do with the team make up imo. This says more about how shit this team is put together than anything else.