I'm sorry but if we are looking at regular season (which we have no choice but to look at) Joke is the clear-cut mvp. He is the most valuable player to their respective franchise. With that said… nobody sees Denver as a true contender and for that reason alone, someone else should be heavily considered
Just stop with this lying and nonsense notion as if Jokic has any real help to take the load off him like other superstars have. Murray's best season was 18.5 PPG. He had another half season that he averaged 20 PPG , but it doesn't count because it's just half a season and it's still low numbers for a second best player on a contender team, plus he's been injured half of his career. And this season he is averaging 20PPG. Murray never had All-Star player numbers, he has never been close to All-Star and he will never be an All-Star. Which means he is nowhere near carrying the load in Denver to help Jokic In the past like other superstars had. To make an All-Star guard his competition over the years was Curry, Harden, Westbrook, Lillard, Mitchell, Chris Paul, Morant, Luka, those are all hall of famers and All-NBA players every year, Murray was never even close to an All-Star! For crying out loud, Bucks and 76ers have about 70% win rate without Giannis and Embid, that' how good and loaded those rosters are compared to Nuggets that have about 20-30% win rate without Jokic, it's the worst supporting cast in NBA without Jokic on the floor! Jokic is the definition of MVP to his team, without him gluing the whole team together they are zero compared to other rosters.
For those brainwashed low IQ basketball sheeple who agree with Skip Shameless manipulation and bias, all you had to do to realize he is not an NBA expert, but a child with an agenda to push Embid for MVP, is to know he never praised Jokic once in his career on this show and he never praised Jokic once on his social media all these years, while Jokic was nothing, but amazing every season. That's all the proof you need to realize he is manipulating you and pushing his personal Embid agenda on you brains.
3:16 Joel Embiid had 28 free-throws! in ONE game. Kudos to him, he made them all, BUT, my eye test says that Jokic should get also way more free-throws and we could see that points per game would be very different. The other day, Jokic was literally bleeding, but no foul was call. Come on people, you need to be fair.
Shannon even tho none of them made an all star team he has a ridiculous team around them. Murray and Gordon are all star level players, murray even more when it matter. Mpj is a ridiculously good shooter. And dont even forget Bruce brown and kcp.
Embiid destroyed Jokic that game? Embiid had a monster game but he destroyed Jokic because his stat line was bigger? Go watch that game. First neither of them even went head to head very often in that matchup. Neither coach wanted them in foul trouble. Second the difference between that matchup is Joel takes it personally and wants the glory and has something to prove, Jokic could give a fuck less who he's playing and takes what the D gives him and acts accordingly based on if it makes the team better that night or not. Joker obviously wasn't freaking out about being better than one guy. He was letting his teammates do the talking which in turn didn't work out as they lost a nail biter but that's what happened.
Joel took 31 shots and 10FTs. Joker went 8-12FG, 2-2 3pt, and 6-6 FTs. So once again. Joker facilitates and is hyper efficient. And Joel takes as many shots as the rest of his lineup combined. Nothing wrong with that but when you do that it's going to make you look good.
Embiid is great. And dominant as hell. But Jokic and Gianni's are the two guys who should be neck and neck for this joke of an MVP award
At the end of the day if you want to just discuss who is "most valuable" to a team. The Nuggets have the worst net rating in the league with Jokic out. They also have the best in the league while he's in. Proof is in the pudding. You out embiid on Denver they are 4-6 seed in the west. You put Jokic with Harden, Maxey, Tobias, and co. , they are probably 1 -3 in the east. You imagine the ball movement with Harden and Jokic sharing the floor. Would be unguardable.
One damn thing for sure even if embid wins mvp jokic still got 2 and jokic 3 time all nba first team embid 0 so jokic is goood either way let's go nuggets
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Russ did it too With no help
Skip is a dumbass.
I'm sorry but if we are looking at regular season (which we have no choice but to look at) Joke is the clear-cut mvp. He is the most valuable player to their respective franchise. With that said… nobody sees Denver as a true contender and for that reason alone, someone else should be heavily considered
Just trying to push Embied on the top but Jokić is better!🏆
Brotha Shannon defending Jokić 👊
Skip Bayless is a hater ✔️💯
Just stop with this lying and nonsense notion as if Jokic has any real help to take the load off him like other superstars have. Murray's best season was 18.5 PPG. He had another half season that he averaged 20 PPG , but it doesn't count because it's just half a season and it's still low numbers for a second best player on a contender team, plus he's been injured half of his career. And this season he is averaging 20PPG. Murray never had All-Star player numbers, he has never been close to All-Star and he will never be an All-Star. Which means he is nowhere near carrying the load in Denver to help Jokic In the past like other superstars had. To make an All-Star guard his competition over the years was Curry, Harden, Westbrook, Lillard, Mitchell, Chris Paul, Morant, Luka, those are all hall of famers and All-NBA players every year, Murray was never even close to an All-Star! For crying out loud, Bucks and 76ers have about 70% win rate without Giannis and Embid, that' how good and loaded those rosters are compared to Nuggets that have about 20-30% win rate without Jokic, it's the worst supporting cast in NBA without Jokic on the floor! Jokic is the definition of MVP to his team, without him gluing the whole team together they are zero compared to other rosters.
For those brainwashed low IQ basketball sheeple who agree with Skip Shameless manipulation and bias, all you had to do to realize he is not an NBA expert, but a child with an agenda to push Embid for MVP, is to know he never praised Jokic once in his career on this show and he never praised Jokic once on his social media all these years, while Jokic was nothing, but amazing every season. That's all the proof you need to realize he is manipulating you and pushing his personal Embid agenda on you brains.
Joker is also a really good shooter should take more shots
Skip is full of crap
Skip is always against the white guy
Individually ,athleticism , embid is better…but now don't forget that basketball is 5v5 not 1v1
3:16 Joel Embiid had 28 free-throws! in ONE game. Kudos to him, he made them all, BUT, my eye test says that Jokic should get also way more free-throws and we could see that points per game would be very different. The other day, Jokic was literally bleeding, but no foul was call. Come on people, you need to be fair.
The one time they finally cover jokic, they choose to pick the game they lose and a game where he performs above average
Shannon even tho none of them made an all star team he has a ridiculous team around them. Murray and Gordon are all star level players, murray even more when it matter. Mpj is a ridiculously good shooter. And dont even forget Bruce brown and kcp.
Still your back to back MVPs you can’t win them all bozos
Would love to see Kendrick Perkins try to debate Shannon on the mvp talk 😂
He forgets Dirk was 7 feet tall!
Bro Jokic Is Mvp Giannis Is Close Second End Of Story
Jokic Is Too Good Bro
Embiid destroyed Jokic that game? Embiid had a monster game but he destroyed Jokic because his stat line was bigger? Go watch that game. First neither of them even went head to head very often in that matchup. Neither coach wanted them in foul trouble. Second the difference between that matchup is Joel takes it personally and wants the glory and has something to prove, Jokic could give a fuck less who he's playing and takes what the D gives him and acts accordingly based on if it makes the team better that night or not. Joker obviously wasn't freaking out about being better than one guy. He was letting his teammates do the talking which in turn didn't work out as they lost a nail biter but that's what happened.
Joel took 31 shots and 10FTs. Joker went 8-12FG, 2-2 3pt, and 6-6 FTs. So once again. Joker facilitates and is hyper efficient. And Joel takes as many shots as the rest of his lineup combined. Nothing wrong with that but when you do that it's going to make you look good.
Embiid is great. And dominant as hell. But Jokic and Gianni's are the two guys who should be neck and neck for this joke of an MVP award
At the end of the day if you want to just discuss who is "most valuable" to a team. The Nuggets have the worst net rating in the league with Jokic out. They also have the best in the league while he's in. Proof is in the pudding. You out embiid on Denver they are 4-6 seed in the west. You put Jokic with Harden, Maxey, Tobias, and co. , they are probably 1 -3 in the east. You imagine the ball movement with Harden and Jokic sharing the floor. Would be unguardable.
This guy still brings up Carmelo over Jokic. How more delusional can a guy get..
Jokic good mvp nahh
One damn thing for sure even if embid wins mvp jokic still got 2 and jokic 3 time all nba first team embid 0 so jokic is goood either way let's go nuggets
Joker has Wilt numbers, but its 2023, therefore he his the GOAT.