No it’s not. Warriors bought a massive contract in Wiggins. It punishes teams that overpay their players. Cough cough Klay…Poole.
TGwonton
In the new CBA you really need to pay the right amount of money to right ppl even more than before in the long term. Look at the Beal situation. Dude is a top 25 player consistently, but he is not worth the close to 50 million dollars he was getting and building a contender around him is basically next to impossible for the wizards.
_homage_
Y’all need to quit your bitching about this. The league and the players are clearly sending a message they don’t care if you draft and retain. They want all your players or you can pay handsomely to keep ’em.
McJumbos
definitely will see a lot less supermax players for the future
SG-2000
Let’s not play victim. Yes, the Warriors built through the draft. More than a decade ago. They also signed a free agent superstar that took home 2 Finals MVPs, and have been able to afford a huge payroll every year.
It’s awful for any expensive team, draft or not. Honestly, it’s nice to see other teams running into issues the way we are. Like Lacob said, let’s win no matter what the rules are. We don’t need special treatment for drafting well. Build the best team however you can. If we get another ring this year, it will likely have a lot to do with trading a guy we drafted…
22797
I get the point this person is trying to make, but both Poole and John Collins had a similar issue: large albatross contracts that are worth more than what they can provide on the court. They’re both good not great offensive players with limited (Collins) or no (Poole) defensive impact to speak of. It’s quite possible that if previous CBA was in effect, both players still get moved but maybe the warriors don’t have to send that 2030 FRP and the Hawks get a first or 2 instead of a second.
Also unrelated to the new CBA, I think everyone’s perception of player value is still being warped by last year’s joke of a trade by Minnesota for Gobert. Just because Minnesota was stupid doesn’t mean the other 29 franchises will be
eexxiitt
Cheap owners under the guise of “parity.”
Nessmuk58
But at least it ALLOWS teams to spend to retain players. The taxes ALWAYS sucked for teams that wound up with multiple max contracts, regardless of how they got there. Teams that retain drafted players SHOULD get a break, but they never have, so we’re really not losing anything we already had.
vessva11
I am a noob and curious, weren’t the Warriors screwed prior to the CBA rule changes regardless? Weren’t they already towing the line based on cap space and the luxury tax?
nerdalerd
My take on the new CBA is that it “encourages” building through the draft but discourages teams to keep the band together after that by adding all that garbage about the second apron. This tracks with what Adam Silver said about the league needing to share talent.
Cheap owners will continue to cheap out, pointing to the second apron as an “excuse.” This is why I got mad props for Lacob. Up until Ishbia went mad like 2 weeks ago, the only other owner who was willing to pony up the cash was Ballmer who is like legitimately 80x the worth of Joe.
doctorweiwei
I mean it’s bad for any good team but yeah it’s especially painful when guys you drafted have to be cut for no other reason than CBA
Objective_Celery_509
This is lame
survivor_bigmover
it’s awful for winners because once someone wins they want to get paid. nothing to do with drafting. nba wants parity as if i give a fuck about charlotte having an equal chance
PeorianHoopster
Getting off of Poole was the right move under any cba.
monteasf
The national communist association
Budget-Hold-5176
So we gonna ignore Wiggins contract here?
Let’s be honest, no Wiggins no 2022 championship
matmortel
The more I think about it, the more I think in the long run the new cba will benefit the league. The NFL has high ratings because a lot of the teams can be considered contenders and it’s always hard to guess who will win the super bowl. The current meta on how to win one is to draft your franchise QB and if they pan out, do whatever it takes to build around them before you have to pay them big time money. I think that’ll be the same in the NBA. Draft a stud rookie then do whatever it takes to build a contending team before you have to pay them the big bucks.
With that said, I really hope Dunleavy is a good drafter cause once Curry is gona we can go back to the dark ages pretty quickly.
cortesoft
I never understand the logic that treats building through the draft as more “pure” than building through trades or free agency. I guess people think player movement is bad?
TessTichol
Agreed. I think Bird rights def help retain players, but it should also include salary relief. If you draft a player and re-sign to a new deal, the new deal should only count 70-80% towards the cap and NOT BE included in any luxury tax penalties. Dollar for dollar for drafted players that you retain.
TessTichol
Two things come to mind. When the Warriors were able to land KD it was due to Curry’s bad ankles and his contract was not a max. They also unloaded 4 players into free agency that gave them just enough to get KD under the cap. The other thing moving forward is streaming. When the NBA signs a lucrative streaming deal like the NFL and Amazon the cap will explode and we may see another super team of 3-4 max players together.
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No it’s not. Warriors bought a massive contract in Wiggins. It punishes teams that overpay their players. Cough cough Klay…Poole.
In the new CBA you really need to pay the right amount of money to right ppl even more than before in the long term. Look at the Beal situation. Dude is a top 25 player consistently, but he is not worth the close to 50 million dollars he was getting and building a contender around him is basically next to impossible for the wizards.
Y’all need to quit your bitching about this. The league and the players are clearly sending a message they don’t care if you draft and retain. They want all your players or you can pay handsomely to keep ’em.
definitely will see a lot less supermax players for the future
Let’s not play victim. Yes, the Warriors built through the draft. More than a decade ago. They also signed a free agent superstar that took home 2 Finals MVPs, and have been able to afford a huge payroll every year.
It’s awful for any expensive team, draft or not. Honestly, it’s nice to see other teams running into issues the way we are. Like Lacob said, let’s win no matter what the rules are. We don’t need special treatment for drafting well. Build the best team however you can. If we get another ring this year, it will likely have a lot to do with trading a guy we drafted…
I get the point this person is trying to make, but both Poole and John Collins had a similar issue: large albatross contracts that are worth more than what they can provide on the court. They’re both good not great offensive players with limited (Collins) or no (Poole) defensive impact to speak of. It’s quite possible that if previous CBA was in effect, both players still get moved but maybe the warriors don’t have to send that 2030 FRP and the Hawks get a first or 2 instead of a second.
Also unrelated to the new CBA, I think everyone’s perception of player value is still being warped by last year’s joke of a trade by Minnesota for Gobert. Just because Minnesota was stupid doesn’t mean the other 29 franchises will be
Cheap owners under the guise of “parity.”
But at least it ALLOWS teams to spend to retain players. The taxes ALWAYS sucked for teams that wound up with multiple max contracts, regardless of how they got there. Teams that retain drafted players SHOULD get a break, but they never have, so we’re really not losing anything we already had.
I am a noob and curious, weren’t the Warriors screwed prior to the CBA rule changes regardless? Weren’t they already towing the line based on cap space and the luxury tax?
My take on the new CBA is that it “encourages” building through the draft but discourages teams to keep the band together after that by adding all that garbage about the second apron. This tracks with what Adam Silver said about the league needing to share talent.
Cheap owners will continue to cheap out, pointing to the second apron as an “excuse.” This is why I got mad props for Lacob. Up until Ishbia went mad like 2 weeks ago, the only other owner who was willing to pony up the cash was Ballmer who is like legitimately 80x the worth of Joe.
I mean it’s bad for any good team but yeah it’s especially painful when guys you drafted have to be cut for no other reason than CBA
This is lame
it’s awful for winners because once someone wins they want to get paid. nothing to do with drafting. nba wants parity as if i give a fuck about charlotte having an equal chance
Getting off of Poole was the right move under any cba.
The national communist association
So we gonna ignore Wiggins contract here?
Let’s be honest, no Wiggins no 2022 championship
The more I think about it, the more I think in the long run the new cba will benefit the league. The NFL has high ratings because a lot of the teams can be considered contenders and it’s always hard to guess who will win the super bowl. The current meta on how to win one is to draft your franchise QB and if they pan out, do whatever it takes to build around them before you have to pay them big time money. I think that’ll be the same in the NBA. Draft a stud rookie then do whatever it takes to build a contending team before you have to pay them the big bucks.
With that said, I really hope Dunleavy is a good drafter cause once Curry is gona we can go back to the dark ages pretty quickly.
I never understand the logic that treats building through the draft as more “pure” than building through trades or free agency. I guess people think player movement is bad?
Agreed. I think Bird rights def help retain players, but it should also include salary relief. If you draft a player and re-sign to a new deal, the new deal should only count 70-80% towards the cap and NOT BE included in any luxury tax penalties. Dollar for dollar for drafted players that you retain.
Two things come to mind. When the Warriors were able to land KD it was due to Curry’s bad ankles and his contract was not a max. They also unloaded 4 players into free agency that gave them just enough to get KD under the cap. The other thing moving forward is streaming. When the NBA signs a lucrative streaming deal like the NFL and Amazon the cap will explode and we may see another super team of 3-4 max players together.