I don’t think anything was wrong internally as in we had locker room problems or the players weren’t getting along, etc. I think the team just gets scared or intimidated at times when we play the heat and mentally start questioning themselves. That and spoelstra always finds a way to get us out of our comfort zones.
PebblyJackGlasscock
Gabe Vincent is a smart, well-spoken guy. There’s no outrageous quote for a bulletin board there.
Just a guy respectfully saying they didn’t come to play. And implying it was over some high school bullshit.
Abstract__Nonsense
Thinking Basketball talks about the series on his latest podcast, he mentions how the Heat were +13.6 ppg on shooting luck, the greatest margin from any series since tracking data became available.
LiquorMane
I don’t think he is wrong and in my opinion I think the situation internally was coaching. And I’m not saying Joe is bad or we won’t be able to raise banner 18 with him. He was dealt a poor hand from a logistical point of view. From a talent point of view he was set and I think that’s why our guys were able to battle as much as they did. But back to the logistical point of view Ime was suspend September 21 our first game of the season was October 18. Joe had just under a month to become the head coach for the team. I don’t know all that goes into coaching at an NBA level but I’m gonna say that’s not enough time to truly flesh out how you want to approach the season. Plus the Celtics had also lost Will Hardy to the Jazz and then later into the season before the playoffs lost Damon Stoidamire to GA Tech. We also lost assistants to Udoka who were coaching in the playoffs for us under a coach they weren’t hired by. From a coaching standpoint we were not a cohesive unit. Joe went out and hired guys early in the off-season so they can now put together a game plan for his team. Our identity was completely different from Ime’s. I’m not saying one is better than the other. It’s hard to go from one system to another in one offseason let alone one month of an offseason. Look at how the season played out. We rallied behind Joe and we take over the east. We end up losing that number one seed super late. In the playoffs we battle super hard but we lost some very winnable games and some series are lengthened when they shouldn’t be. To me that has all the markings of having the talent to be able to do it just not the coaching/identity to make the adjustments. It’s possible there could have been bad energy from the players in the locker room, but it just doesn’t match the headlines and stories we had been reading about all year, especially since we lived through the Kyrie years. It’s frustrating and it sucks but I’m hopeful that this year will be different and we finally get Banner 18.
Edit:I’m on mobile so for some reason it doesn’t format
TLDR: The issue to me was coaching and not having enough time to implement a system that started with Ime’s suspension
bkilpatrick3347
Lost the head coach that took us to the finals last year like a week before the season because he had an affair with a team employee and people acting like it’s a big story the team had internal issues
planj07
There was multiple things holding us back. Inconsistency from the star players, coaching mistakes, having a coach at philosophical odds with key players (prioritizing offense above defense), and important role players not hitting shots when we needed it.
This was a pattern throughout the entire playoff run and we finally ran into an excellently coached, effort oriented team that was hot.
There’s nothing wrong with Vincent’s comment on it but I think that Boston fans and the media are able to pin point it better than him as we watched this happen throughout the season.
I’m curious to see how we look with a shuffled and perhaps more obedient team for lack of a better term.
Jonny_Syphilis
Lots of reporters nationally and locally said the team was sick of each other. its a huge reason smart and grant are gone. most of the green teamers here werent listening when people said it.
winovic94
Didn’t come to play yet we almost pulled off an historic comeback, I get it, they won but now they’ve all left, and Jimmy is still 0/2 in the finals so neither won
Happy_Yogurtcloset_2
Dammit Ime… you could’ve won us last season
ProofSinger3638
If is abundantly obvious the Jays do not like Marcus Smart, it’s mind numbing that some of our fans wont admit it.
Everyone in the world acknowledges something was wrong in our lockerroom, but so many people refuse to say what it was. I’ll say it. Because I did watch every game last year and the past twenty years, our team did not fuck w/ each other. At the minimum its one of the Jays who dont like Marcus. I’d bet my bottom dollar it was both. Maybe Jaylen felt threatened by Marcus, he was worried he wouldnt be seen as the #2 guy. Or maybe it was Marcus taking too many shots. Or Jayson didnt like him for whatever reason.
So please it seems like everyone agrees we had a problem, so please tell me you Marcus lovers, what was it. Give us your reason. Because there was a reason.
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Yeah it wasn’t because you guys shot like 90% from 3 or anything, Gabe..
Glad we got rid of the cancer
Laker has opinions about the Celtics? 🥱 No thanks.
He’s right.
> “I obviously don’t know if they were or weren’t right internally but that was my feel I had,”
Yeah marcus and horford were drawing up plays on the bench lol things were not right.
The internal issue:
https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/how-has-jaylen-brown-played-against-the-heat-in-the-playoffs-2023
I don’t think anything was wrong internally as in we had locker room problems or the players weren’t getting along, etc. I think the team just gets scared or intimidated at times when we play the heat and mentally start questioning themselves. That and spoelstra always finds a way to get us out of our comfort zones.
Gabe Vincent is a smart, well-spoken guy. There’s no outrageous quote for a bulletin board there.
Just a guy respectfully saying they didn’t come to play. And implying it was over some high school bullshit.
Thinking Basketball talks about the series on his latest podcast, he mentions how the Heat were +13.6 ppg on shooting luck, the greatest margin from any series since tracking data became available.
I don’t think he is wrong and in my opinion I think the situation internally was coaching. And I’m not saying Joe is bad or we won’t be able to raise banner 18 with him.
He was dealt a poor hand from a logistical point of view. From a talent point of view he was set and I think that’s why our guys were able to battle as much as they did. But back to the logistical point of view Ime was suspend September 21 our first game of the season was October 18. Joe had just under a month to become the head coach for the team. I don’t know all that goes into coaching at an NBA level but I’m gonna say that’s not enough time to truly flesh out how you want to approach the season.
Plus the Celtics had also lost Will Hardy to the Jazz and then later into the season before the playoffs lost Damon Stoidamire to GA Tech. We also lost assistants to Udoka who were coaching in the playoffs for us under a coach they weren’t hired by. From a coaching standpoint we were not a cohesive unit. Joe went out and hired guys early in the off-season so they can now put together a game plan for his team.
Our identity was completely different from Ime’s. I’m not saying one is better than the other. It’s hard to go from one system to another in one offseason let alone one month of an offseason.
Look at how the season played out. We rallied behind Joe and we take over the east. We end up losing that number one seed super late. In the playoffs we battle super hard but we lost some very winnable games and some series are lengthened when they shouldn’t be. To me that has all the markings of having the talent to be able to do it just not the coaching/identity to make the adjustments.
It’s possible there could have been bad energy from the players in the locker room, but it just doesn’t match the headlines and stories we had been reading about all year, especially since we lived through the Kyrie years.
It’s frustrating and it sucks but I’m hopeful that this year will be different and we finally get Banner 18.
Edit:I’m on mobile so for some reason it doesn’t format
TLDR: The issue to me was coaching and not having enough time to implement a system that started with Ime’s suspension
Lost the head coach that took us to the finals last year like a week before the season because he had an affair with a team employee and people acting like it’s a big story the team had internal issues
There was multiple things holding us back. Inconsistency from the star players, coaching mistakes, having a coach at philosophical odds with key players (prioritizing offense above defense), and important role players not hitting shots when we needed it.
This was a pattern throughout the entire playoff run and we finally ran into an excellently coached, effort oriented team that was hot.
There’s nothing wrong with Vincent’s comment on it but I think that Boston fans and the media are able to pin point it better than him as we watched this happen throughout the season.
I’m curious to see how we look with a shuffled and perhaps more obedient team for lack of a better term.
Lots of reporters nationally and locally said the team was sick of each other. its a huge reason smart and grant are gone. most of the green teamers here werent listening when people said it.
Didn’t come to play yet we almost pulled off an historic comeback, I get it, they won but now they’ve all left, and Jimmy is still 0/2 in the finals so neither won
Dammit Ime… you could’ve won us last season
If is abundantly obvious the Jays do not like Marcus Smart, it’s mind numbing that some of our fans wont admit it.
Everyone in the world acknowledges something was wrong in our lockerroom, but so many people refuse to say what it was. I’ll say it. Because I did watch every game last year and the past twenty years, our team did not fuck w/ each other. At the minimum its one of the Jays who dont like Marcus. I’d bet my bottom dollar it was both. Maybe Jaylen felt threatened by Marcus, he was worried he wouldnt be seen as the #2 guy. Or maybe it was Marcus taking too many shots. Or Jayson didnt like him for whatever reason.
So please it seems like everyone agrees we had a problem, so please tell me you Marcus lovers, what was it. Give us your reason. Because there was a reason.