We weren’t getting anything for Leonard who probably already had 1 foot out the door after the final buzzer of game 6 and had already made his intentions known that LA was the way.
FVV, I’ll agree with and that’s on the FO for kicking the can down the road. The NBA moves dynamic. Nobody knew around trade deadline about the crazy money Houston was gonna throw in the off season and that probably screwed their plans if the intention was to bring him back
readittty
What are we supposed to do with this piece of information?
Nice-Elk-1168
If we lose more major pieces for nothing Masai and management should be toast
Winter_Purpose8695
its almost as if Windy get his information from reddit
keeeeener
The return for Lowry was decent. Precious is at least a young rotation piece. Obviously, you’d hope you would have got more at the deadline but I really am not even sure about that. How many teams were willing to match that contract?
goldenboy2022
What were we going to do trade him before we won the Larry OB
Lewro29
Fred van Blythe lol
brianmmf
Don’t forget Gasol, Green, and Ibaka. Less value to be certain, but they could have at least turned those players into picks, either by trading before they expired or re-signing and trading later.
Ibaka in particular was still coveted – at the time – and he would have made a great deadline asset. And it’s not like the Raps used the money well after he departed.
Kawhi Leonard, there was nothing they could do.
As for Kyle Lowry, they could have done better, especially doing a bit of diligence and realising that Slovenian wasn’t going to suit up for them. And people are over-valuing Achiuwa, straight up. That next leap isn’t happening.
And they really, really should have seen FVV’s departure coming and got something at last year’s trade deadline. Even if it was picks and a few expiring contracts, and then they could still have picked up Schroeder in the offseason.
thefightingmongoose
I’m not even going to watch this, but the narrative is ridiculous.
Kawhi? What? Title. Ridiculous.
The year before we lost Gasol and Ibaka we were on a 60 win pace and had a legit shot to go back to the finals. Selling those players would be monumentaly stupid. Then we didn’t resign either which was good because they fell off a cliff the next year.
Lowry got sign and traded for exactly the kind of package we would have got in season. I don’t believe the Maxey thing for a second. You were always getting an expiring and a decent but not blue chip prospect. He was old and a free agent who was going get a huge deal, which he did.
FVV is the only one that it probably made sense to trade. If there were good offers out there we should have done it, but no one really knows if there were. The reported Grayson Allen and some seconds… like I guess better than nothing, but really…. it’s not much.
What really happened here is we went all in for a title and now we are paying the price. We lost Jak and DeRozan and picks to bring in Kawhi. We lost Jonas and Delon to bring in Marc. We won and it was all worth it.
That team was pretty old and the guys that left Lowry, Ibaka, Gasol, Green were more or less done as impact players. What was left is not a championship level team anymore. This is the cycle of sports. This whole narrative is utterly ridiculous.
t-earlgrey-hot
None of these losses are on the FO except FVV and even that – Terrance Mann and a second really better than Schroeder and McDaniels? It sucks that we’ve lost all these players but most just aged out.
OG and Pascal are different because we knew this situation was coming a year ago. You had assets with 2 years left, and maybe neither chooses to re-sign but they can’t get nothing for them unless you’re making space for giannis or something (we arent)
Dear-Kaleidoscope782
Pascal and or OG walking is a real possibility. The front office cannot claim that they were blindsided by it, and pile on excuses if it does happen.
Going to reference this next July, when someone says that they never saw it coming.
peroper7
Said this for a long time that the raptors have had a talent deficiency because there was no return for these elite players
Demar turned into Kawhi, who turned into nothing. Losing your franchise cornerstone and tons of key guys for zero will make your team untalented on the whole.
birdmanpresents
Windhorst literally made his career riding LeBron’s coattails, I wouldn’t care too much about what he says.
MDS_1996
Kawhi, Marc, Serge, and Danny are all disqualified or for obvious reasons shouldn’t be included.
With Lowry, IF Maxey at any point was on the table (we will never truly know) and they said no then that would be massive miss, but giving them the benefit of the doubt and again besides that we’ll never truly know, so then you have to look at what was available at the deadline and then via S&T. At the deadline the Heat were offering Robinson or Precious and salary obviously, and then the Lakers were offering Dennis and KCP. You could make the arrangement that if the goal was still to compete that Dennis and KCP would have been a decent return, but getting Precious wasn’t bad either, the fact that we got a player on a rookie scale contract for a 35 year old who was going to end up making 90M for three years and was going to essentially fall of a cliff as a player is a W.
With FVV, IF they new Houston was a legit possibility to sign FVV then yes they should have taken the Bucks offer of Grayson Allen a future 1st and salary filler because despite what a lot of people on this sub think getting something is actually better then nothing and the fact that they would have still been able to use the full MLE and BAE by cutting Thad as well.
One other thing that Windy said in the Pod was that for the last two years or so he doesn’t think the team has been run as well and if you look at it outside of Scottie (way to early for Gradey) things have been pretty bad.
SadInternal9977
Lising FVV is addition by subtraction. One of the biggest problems of the last two years is that Fred is an elite off ball guard but fancies himself as a point guard where he is average at best. We know his philosophy hurt the team a lot last year so the team should improve with him gone.
The one thing the Raotors value above all else is flexibility. They will not take on bad contracts and yes they will let guys walk for nothing. But that gave them the ability to sign Shroder and others. The FO has been quiet but they still have the ability to move when the opportunity arises which doesnt always happen on the fans schedule
luchaburz
They’re acting like losing our guys are gone and we are gonna be shit til we aren’t and are good again so they can say WOWWW
Barnicus53
It’s funny that everyone is being critical of Windhorst because of a quick YouTube clip, when right after he said these things he literally mentioned that he had no problem with how they managed Kawhi.
He just thinks that there’s an added weight on the front office after losing three free agents in the past with nothing to show for it, and now they have to figure out what to do with Pascal and OG, since losing five players for nothing in four years would be pretty devastating.
Obviously not everyone has to agree with his opinion, but I’m so tired of people piling on writers/analysts without reading or watching a full video for context, instead of just taking what someone shares at face value.
SnooPineapples6099
FO has done nothing since Kawhi. Completely agree with BW here. They will do nothing. Again. And the Raps will not make the playoffs. Again. Wake up.
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We weren’t getting anything for Leonard who probably already had 1 foot out the door after the final buzzer of game 6 and had already made his intentions known that LA was the way.
FVV, I’ll agree with and that’s on the FO for kicking the can down the road. The NBA moves dynamic. Nobody knew around trade deadline about the crazy money Houston was gonna throw in the off season and that probably screwed their plans if the intention was to bring him back
What are we supposed to do with this piece of information?
If we lose more major pieces for nothing Masai and management should be toast
its almost as if Windy get his information from reddit
The return for Lowry was decent. Precious is at least a young rotation piece. Obviously, you’d hope you would have got more at the deadline but I really am not even sure about that. How many teams were willing to match that contract?
What were we going to do trade him before we won the Larry OB
Fred van Blythe lol
Don’t forget Gasol, Green, and Ibaka. Less value to be certain, but they could have at least turned those players into picks, either by trading before they expired or re-signing and trading later.
Ibaka in particular was still coveted – at the time – and he would have made a great deadline asset. And it’s not like the Raps used the money well after he departed.
Kawhi Leonard, there was nothing they could do.
As for Kyle Lowry, they could have done better, especially doing a bit of diligence and realising that Slovenian wasn’t going to suit up for them. And people are over-valuing Achiuwa, straight up. That next leap isn’t happening.
And they really, really should have seen FVV’s departure coming and got something at last year’s trade deadline. Even if it was picks and a few expiring contracts, and then they could still have picked up Schroeder in the offseason.
I’m not even going to watch this, but the narrative is ridiculous.
Kawhi? What? Title. Ridiculous.
The year before we lost Gasol and Ibaka we were on a 60 win pace and had a legit shot to go back to the finals. Selling those players would be monumentaly stupid. Then we didn’t resign either which was good because they fell off a cliff the next year.
Lowry got sign and traded for exactly the kind of package we would have got in season. I don’t believe the Maxey thing for a second. You were always getting an expiring and a decent but not blue chip prospect. He was old and a free agent who was going get a huge deal, which he did.
FVV is the only one that it probably made sense to trade. If there were good offers out there we should have done it, but no one really knows if there were. The reported Grayson Allen and some seconds… like I guess better than nothing, but really…. it’s not much.
What really happened here is we went all in for a title and now we are paying the price. We lost Jak and DeRozan and picks to bring in Kawhi. We lost Jonas and Delon to bring in Marc. We won and it was all worth it.
That team was pretty old and the guys that left Lowry, Ibaka, Gasol, Green were more or less done as impact players. What was left is not a championship level team anymore. This is the cycle of sports. This whole narrative is utterly ridiculous.
None of these losses are on the FO except FVV and even that – Terrance Mann and a second really better than Schroeder and McDaniels? It sucks that we’ve lost all these players but most just aged out.
OG and Pascal are different because we knew this situation was coming a year ago. You had assets with 2 years left, and maybe neither chooses to re-sign but they can’t get nothing for them unless you’re making space for giannis or something (we arent)
Pascal and or OG walking is a real possibility. The front office cannot claim that they were blindsided by it, and pile on excuses if it does happen.
Going to reference this next July, when someone says that they never saw it coming.
Said this for a long time that the raptors have had a talent deficiency because there was no return for these elite players
Demar turned into Kawhi, who turned into nothing. Losing your franchise cornerstone and tons of key guys for zero will make your team untalented on the whole.
Windhorst literally made his career riding LeBron’s coattails, I wouldn’t care too much about what he says.
Kawhi, Marc, Serge, and Danny are all disqualified or for obvious reasons shouldn’t be included.
With Lowry, IF Maxey at any point was on the table (we will never truly know) and they said no then that would be massive miss, but giving them the benefit of the doubt and again besides that we’ll never truly know, so then you have to look at what was available at the deadline and then via S&T. At the deadline the Heat were offering Robinson or Precious and salary obviously, and then the Lakers were offering Dennis and KCP. You could make the arrangement that if the goal was still to compete that Dennis and KCP would have been a decent return, but getting Precious wasn’t bad either, the fact that we got a player on a rookie scale contract for a 35 year old who was going to end up making 90M for three years and was going to essentially fall of a cliff as a player is a W.
With FVV, IF they new Houston was a legit possibility to sign FVV then yes they should have taken the Bucks offer of Grayson Allen a future 1st and salary filler because despite what a lot of people on this sub think getting something is actually better then nothing and the fact that they would have still been able to use the full MLE and BAE by cutting Thad as well.
One other thing that Windy said in the Pod was that for the last two years or so he doesn’t think the team has been run as well and if you look at it outside of Scottie (way to early for Gradey) things have been pretty bad.
Lising FVV is addition by subtraction. One of the biggest problems of the last two years is that Fred is an elite off ball guard but fancies himself as a point guard where he is average at best. We know his philosophy hurt the team a lot last year so the team should improve with him gone.
The one thing the Raotors value above all else is flexibility. They will not take on bad contracts and yes they will let guys walk for nothing. But that gave them the ability to sign Shroder and others. The FO has been quiet but they still have the ability to move when the opportunity arises which doesnt always happen on the fans schedule
They’re acting like losing our guys are gone and we are gonna be shit til we aren’t and are good again so they can say WOWWW
It’s funny that everyone is being critical of Windhorst because of a quick YouTube clip, when right after he said these things he literally mentioned that he had no problem with how they managed Kawhi.
He just thinks that there’s an added weight on the front office after losing three free agents in the past with nothing to show for it, and now they have to figure out what to do with Pascal and OG, since losing five players for nothing in four years would be pretty devastating.
Obviously not everyone has to agree with his opinion, but I’m so tired of people piling on writers/analysts without reading or watching a full video for context, instead of just taking what someone shares at face value.
FO has done nothing since Kawhi. Completely agree with BW here.
They will do nothing. Again. And the Raps will not make the playoffs. Again.
Wake up.