My thing with trades is, what tradeable pieces do we have? Our young guys seem too young to give up on and to get winning players back, you have to send compensation. Win now teams don’t want draft picks and our core is unproven to help those teams. It’s much easier to build through the draft and evaluate what truly fits around Wemby.
Amazing-Dog323
I can see both sides. I get they want to let him develop but also he’s already doing amazing things so could he not develop faster if he had better players around him?
I know people don’t like rushing cause we’ve seen teams like the mavs not do well with trying to trade to him luka but I think it’s doable if we do it correctly. I think the mavs situation is very different because of wemby being a big man and not a ball dominant guard. My personal reason for starting the trades and moves early is just because I get nervous of wemby not making it 15 years in the lg. this worry is purely because of how yao turned out but hoping wemby plays a long time
Aussie_Spur
There’s zero point in making a trade right now. We are missing the playoffs regardless. We may as well hold off until the offseason and guarantee ourselves a top chance in the lottery and then have a crack in the off season at a veteran
redmandoss
We’re 30 games in and a month away from the trade deadline. People need to relax with this “WIN NOW FUCK PATFO FREE WEMBY” stuff it’s so weird
Worried_Quarter469
I agree, any half way decent second piece would be enough for wemby to carry right now.
The games they are losing are very very close. Except for the Celtics game.
Infinite-Material-97
I agree with this. Wemby is that good that they should be competing by next season. Fuck this slow rebuild people are talking about.
CrissCrossAppleSos
I don’t think Victor is good enough to lead a good team, but I agree with the logic. If you believe that Wemby is a good enough to be a top 2/3 player on a good team, then fuck it, let er rock
fartalldaylong
He don’t know how to play poker.
Bonesawisready5
Yes I am all for trying to win next year and to finish this season winning more. We are 5-30, if we went .500 somehow we would still have top 5 lottery odds at worst coz we would still be 28-54 at the end.
Two top 10 picks hopefully this year, sign vets to make a play in run next year and use our pick + Atlantas to trade for a good player too or draft again.
elles421
The thing they leave out is Wemby’s body. He just turned 20 ffs. The skill may be there but they’re developing his body for the long haul. No shortcuts to this.
Mclitness
I rather have the team work in areas in need of improvement. Both collectively and individually. It’s literally our second season of rebuilding. It’s going take time to develop good habits and that’s fine. Our time is coming sooner than later.
orangekingo
Absolutely smoothbrain take. Made me mad just reading it.
Mortgaging your team’s future with “win now” trades 1 year into a rebuild is exactly how you end up with no resources and no hope. It is the exact opposite of what the team should do.
What trade are you making this season that makes us a deep playoff threat, let alone a TITLE contender? What star are you pairing with Wemby? There’s nobody available who would suddenly make this team a threat, and even if you replaced the entire starting lineup with available NBA vets + Wemby, the team would still likely not make it far.
“Why not start trying to win ASAP” because we fucking *won’t* win. We aren’t ready yet, hell, Victor isn’t even ready yet, and still has a ton of room to grow. Trying to win and losing, and not trying that hard to win and losing are the exact same thing, losing. Except one costs resources and one doesn’t.
Next season is the year to start ramping up the engines on acquiring the right pieces to surround him with, the season after that is when you really go all-in. Hate them for it all you want, FO has made the correct decision by not letting the Luka/Mavs situation happen here. He’s a top 5 player in the NBA and they’ve only *just* begun to surround him with talent.
Maybe FAs will come here to play with him, which will make the job easier, but anyone who thinks this team is a few trades away from competition is delusional.
Alltalent
I’m tired of the front office man, all they got to do is hire me if they wanna find any real success. If only they’d look up my nba2k MyGM resume /s
android24601
Some of these guys tweeting this stuff are doing the world a huge disservice by depriving us all of their basketball brilliance. They should go do something big like fix the Pistons
amofai
We’re trying to build a dynasty here, not win more games to be in the middle of the pack. Have some patience.
eyewey
West is fucking stacked. Regroup and run it back next year.
SwaySensei
The problem is most Spurs fans before the season were fine with being bad (and expected it), just not this bad. So it feels like it’s changed people’s perspective on the process some, and so they trust it less now.
The Cavs and LeBron had a similar situation and they went the route of rushing the time line instead of letting it grow naturally with a tiny, little bit of patience. It didn’t work out well. The Mavs and Luka? Similar.
Plus even if we trade for a star we’re not winning anything this year, probably not even next year. Too many holes and too young. Young teams even with 2 stars have to learn how to win before they are competing for championships.
So then why rush Wemby’s growth and timeline? We might as well do what we planned before the season started (and what Wemby was cool with) and see what we have this year, then starting next offseason start to put the appropriate young and vet pieces around Wemby and the core who will be around for the championship push.
Not sure why so many people are panicking like we are in the Mavs situation where they might lose their star this offseason or next and everything falls apart.
siphillis
The Cavs taught us this lesson twice, of why you don’t trade picks when you suck. The first time they traded away what eventually became James Worthy. The second time was during LeBron’s rookie season and they proved out the failure of that decision during his entire first tenure.
commander_bugo
To all the people in this thread saying that making a trade would sacrifice our future: most of the people here that are pro-trade are not pro throw away the future. If Atlanta wants all of our good young players for Murray, of course we don’t do it. If they want a first-round pick of course we do it. We have a ton of picks, we literally cannot use/develop them all.
Also to say we just “go and get veterans next year” it doesn’t work that way. They have to be on the market and willing to go to San Antonio. Aside from LMA we’ve never been a free agent destination. If we can get a borderline all-star guard on a contract that is both long and team friendly we are dumb not to do it.
There are more options than throw away the future and tank, it’s more complex than that.
22dias
We can win now by starting Tre at PG, lifting the minutes restriction on Wemby, making a conscious effort to get Wemby the ball, closing out games and limiting turnovers.
How’s that?
ramenm
I’m all for taking the rebuild slowly and playing out the rest of this season without a big trade, but I think only having 4 more years of Pop under contract means we’ll be trying to seriously compete sooner than we think. By then, Vic will only be around 23 before Pop retires.
fatherpatrick
Go back and look at how Cleveland tried to turn their team into a contender right after Lebron was drafted. They made so many short term decisions and could never get a real team around him that he had to leave so they could tank again just to get him real running mates. I’d rather be patient and have some real shots at a championship than real shots at the play-in.
cool_coyote
The Spurs’ front office have been fully upfront that they want to build a team around Wemby slowly.
Even when they lost 15 straight, that message did not change.
And until Coach Pop or Brian Wright are gone, which I don’t see either going away any time soon, then they’re going to stick with that plan whether people like it or not.
Does that mean that’s the correct way to build around Wemby?
I don’t know. No one knows, but that’s the route they’re taking. Expect them to do almost nothing during this trade deadline and possibly very little this offseason besides maybe adding a decent veteran point guard or moving some established players currently on the roster for more future draft capital.
They’re most likely going to build OKC Thunder style, with as many shots at the lottery as possible before going all in. Much like OKC, the Spurs are not a free agent destination, they’re going to have to build through the draft.
Sure trades will also be a good avenue to acquire talent, but only when it’s fully beneficial to them, i.e., future draft capital or a shot to acquire young elite talent on another team.
I seriously doubt we’ll see any moves just because the team looks like shit. They’re going to hold steady and ignore all the cries begging for moves to be made, much like OKC did when SGA started to flash MVP skills.
Again, not saying I’m down with this plan 100, but it’s the plan they’re going with.
Dre013
They are 5-30. There are no pieces that would help the Spurs reach the playoffs this year, and probably none next year either even if Wemby averaged another 10 points a game. Why are people fucking stupid?
PM_ME_YOUR_ARMPITS_6
My guy those are twitter posts
Why even read those
DevilGunManga
What kind of fcked up sentence is that?
Veggiedelite90
There’s a lot of time between when he’s 35 games into his career and 5 years from now. We’re the second worst team in the league this year making trades for right now makes no sense. We aren’t winning. But I am expecting over the next 2-3 years moves to take place and while it may seem slow to some once we’re there having built a contender instead of trading for a bunch of veteran players will lead to a longer window to contend.
christopherfar
I think the front office will pick up the pace of the rebuild next year. We’re just too far away TODAY to give up assets (read: draft picks) until we know what those assets are worth. I think we know how to build around Wemby now, and will draft some of that talent, but supplement with some veterans to mentor.
quibble-stein
Very few franchises know how to build a dynasty. Spurs are one of the few that know how. All the crazy talk is by people who don’t know anything about dynasties.
rxxxxxxxrxxxxxx
Some people are acting like this is some NBA 2K journey. Create your own player, pump stats, solo win games, championship, multiple championship, easy. Lmfao.
I hope all of these outside noise doesn’t get in the head of Wemby. He’s a great kid, a winner, and I hope he stays in course with the Spurs. He wants to be here for a reason, and I hope our Spurs legends continues to guide Wemby that winning it all is a long, and difficult journey.
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My thing with trades is, what tradeable pieces do we have? Our young guys seem too young to give up on and to get winning players back, you have to send compensation. Win now teams don’t want draft picks and our core is unproven to help those teams. It’s much easier to build through the draft and evaluate what truly fits around Wemby.
I can see both sides. I get they want to let him develop but also he’s already doing amazing things so could he not develop faster if he had better players around him?
I know people don’t like rushing cause we’ve seen teams like the mavs not do well with trying to trade to him luka but I think it’s doable if we do it correctly. I think the mavs situation is very different because of wemby being a big man and not a ball dominant guard.
My personal reason for starting the trades and moves early is just because I get nervous of wemby not making it 15 years in the lg. this worry is purely because of how yao turned out but hoping wemby plays a long time
There’s zero point in making a trade right now. We are missing the playoffs regardless. We may as well hold off until the offseason and guarantee ourselves a top chance in the lottery and then have a crack in the off season at a veteran
We’re 30 games in and a month away from the trade deadline. People need to relax with this “WIN NOW FUCK PATFO FREE WEMBY” stuff it’s so weird
I agree, any half way decent second piece would be enough for wemby to carry right now.
The games they are losing are very very close. Except for the Celtics game.
I agree with this. Wemby is that good that they should be competing by next season. Fuck this slow rebuild people are talking about.
I don’t think Victor is good enough to lead a good team, but I agree with the logic. If you believe that Wemby is a good enough to be a top 2/3 player on a good team, then fuck it, let er rock
He don’t know how to play poker.
Yes I am all for trying to win next year and to finish this season winning more. We are 5-30, if we went .500 somehow we would still have top 5 lottery odds at worst coz we would still be 28-54 at the end.
Two top 10 picks hopefully this year, sign vets to make a play in run next year and use our pick + Atlantas to trade for a good player too or draft again.
The thing they leave out is Wemby’s body. He just turned 20 ffs. The skill may be there but they’re developing his body for the long haul. No shortcuts to this.
I rather have the team work in areas in need of improvement. Both collectively and individually. It’s literally our second season of rebuilding. It’s going take time to develop good habits and that’s fine. Our time is coming sooner than later.
Absolutely smoothbrain take. Made me mad just reading it.
Mortgaging your team’s future with “win now” trades 1 year into a rebuild is exactly how you end up with no resources and no hope. It is the exact opposite of what the team should do.
What trade are you making this season that makes us a deep playoff threat, let alone a TITLE contender? What star are you pairing with Wemby? There’s nobody available who would suddenly make this team a threat, and even if you replaced the entire starting lineup with available NBA vets + Wemby, the team would still likely not make it far.
“Why not start trying to win ASAP” because we fucking *won’t* win. We aren’t ready yet, hell, Victor isn’t even ready yet, and still has a ton of room to grow. Trying to win and losing, and not trying that hard to win and losing are the exact same thing, losing. Except one costs resources and one doesn’t.
Next season is the year to start ramping up the engines on acquiring the right pieces to surround him with, the season after that is when you really go all-in. Hate them for it all you want, FO has made the correct decision by not letting the Luka/Mavs situation happen here. He’s a top 5 player in the NBA and they’ve only *just* begun to surround him with talent.
Maybe FAs will come here to play with him, which will make the job easier, but anyone who thinks this team is a few trades away from competition is delusional.
I’m tired of the front office man, all they got to do is hire me if they wanna find any real success. If only they’d look up my nba2k MyGM resume /s
Some of these guys tweeting this stuff are doing the world a huge disservice by depriving us all of their basketball brilliance. They should go do something big like fix the Pistons
We’re trying to build a dynasty here, not win more games to be in the middle of the pack. Have some patience.
West is fucking stacked. Regroup and run it back next year.
The problem is most Spurs fans before the season were fine with being bad (and expected it), just not this bad. So it feels like it’s changed people’s perspective on the process some, and so they trust it less now.
The Cavs and LeBron had a similar situation and they went the route of rushing the time line instead of letting it grow naturally with a tiny, little bit of patience. It didn’t work out well. The Mavs and Luka? Similar.
Plus even if we trade for a star we’re not winning anything this year, probably not even next year. Too many holes and too young. Young teams even with 2 stars have to learn how to win before they are competing for championships.
So then why rush Wemby’s growth and timeline? We might as well do what we planned before the season started (and what Wemby was cool with) and see what we have this year, then starting next offseason start to put the appropriate young and vet pieces around Wemby and the core who will be around for the championship push.
Not sure why so many people are panicking like we are in the Mavs situation where they might lose their star this offseason or next and everything falls apart.
The Cavs taught us this lesson twice, of why you don’t trade picks when you suck. The first time they traded away what eventually became James Worthy. The second time was during LeBron’s rookie season and they proved out the failure of that decision during his entire first tenure.
To all the people in this thread saying that making a trade would sacrifice our future: most of the people here that are pro-trade are not pro throw away the future. If Atlanta wants all of our good young players for Murray, of course we don’t do it. If they want a first-round pick of course we do it. We have a ton of picks, we literally cannot use/develop them all.
Also to say we just “go and get veterans next year” it doesn’t work that way. They have to be on the market and willing to go to San Antonio. Aside from LMA we’ve never been a free agent destination. If we can get a borderline all-star guard on a contract that is both long and team friendly we are dumb not to do it.
There are more options than throw away the future and tank, it’s more complex than that.
We can win now by starting Tre at PG, lifting the minutes restriction on Wemby, making a conscious effort to get Wemby the ball, closing out games and limiting turnovers.
How’s that?
I’m all for taking the rebuild slowly and playing out the rest of this season without a big trade, but I think only having 4 more years of Pop under contract means we’ll be trying to seriously compete sooner than we think. By then, Vic will only be around 23 before Pop retires.
Go back and look at how Cleveland tried to turn their team into a contender right after Lebron was drafted. They made so many short term decisions and could never get a real team around him that he had to leave so they could tank again just to get him real running mates. I’d rather be patient and have some real shots at a championship than real shots at the play-in.
The Spurs’ front office have been fully upfront that they want to build a team around Wemby slowly.
Even when they lost 15 straight, that message did not change.
And until Coach Pop or Brian Wright are gone, which I don’t see either going away any time soon, then they’re going to stick with that plan whether people like it or not.
Does that mean that’s the correct way to build around Wemby?
I don’t know. No one knows, but that’s the route they’re taking. Expect them to do almost nothing during this trade deadline and possibly very little this offseason besides maybe adding a decent veteran point guard or moving some established players currently on the roster for more future draft capital.
They’re most likely going to build OKC Thunder style, with as many shots at the lottery as possible before going all in. Much like OKC, the Spurs are not a free agent destination, they’re going to have to build through the draft.
Sure trades will also be a good avenue to acquire talent, but only when it’s fully beneficial to them, i.e., future draft capital or a shot to acquire young elite talent on another team.
I seriously doubt we’ll see any moves just because the team looks like shit. They’re going to hold steady and ignore all the cries begging for moves to be made, much like OKC did when SGA started to flash MVP skills.
Again, not saying I’m down with this plan 100, but it’s the plan they’re going with.
They are 5-30. There are no pieces that would help the Spurs reach the playoffs this year, and probably none next year either even if Wemby averaged another 10 points a game. Why are people fucking stupid?
My guy those are twitter posts
Why even read those
What kind of fcked up sentence is that?
There’s a lot of time between when he’s 35 games into his career and 5 years from now. We’re the second worst team in the league this year making trades for right now makes no sense. We aren’t winning. But I am expecting over the next 2-3 years moves to take place and while it may seem slow to some once we’re there having built a contender instead of trading for a bunch of veteran players will lead to a longer window to contend.
I think the front office will pick up the pace of the rebuild next year. We’re just too far away TODAY to give up assets (read: draft picks) until we know what those assets are worth. I think we know how to build around Wemby now, and will draft some of that talent, but supplement with some veterans to mentor.
Very few franchises know how to build a dynasty. Spurs are one of the few that know how. All the crazy talk is by people who don’t know anything about dynasties.
Some people are acting like this is some NBA 2K journey. Create your own player, pump stats, solo win games, championship, multiple championship, easy. Lmfao.
I hope all of these outside noise doesn’t get in the head of Wemby. He’s a great kid, a winner, and I hope he stays in course with the Spurs. He wants to be here for a reason, and I hope our Spurs legends continues to guide Wemby that winning it all is a long, and difficult journey.