What Could the Portland Trail Blazers get in Malcolm Brogdon Trade with the Orlando Magic?

What Could the Portland Trail Blazers get in Malcolm Brogdon Trade with the Orlando Magic?

In today’s show a crossover edition of the program with Philip Rossman Reich of locked on Magic we talk Malcolm Brogden And Trades between the Blazers and the magic welcome to locked on Blazers let’s get into it you are locked on Trailblazers your daily Portland Trailblazers podcast part

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Episode talking all things trades and specifically Malcolm Brogden with Philip Rossman re the host of locked on Magic so let’s get into it and this is our first stop at least on lock on magic on our trade deadline tour I’m joined by our good friend from lockon Blazers Mike

Richmond uh Mike uh promise me I won’t get in trouble because because the last time we had trade discussions I got in a little bit of trouble well last time we had trade discussions you didn’t want to you didn’t want to trade wend Carter Jr but you were okay with trading France

Vogner for Damen Lillard of course but this time I um well you know I’m I’ll still go for it or whatever but I will try not to get you in trouble with your listeners uh as much because I know that you trading frond in a fake on a fake

Trade on a podcast in August was got you in hot water so yeah yeah and and and and and I tried to like I mean I I I I’m bad at trades I will fully admit this this the purpose of this is is not to construct a trade or or or pitch fake

Trades but we want to start you know we’re we’re three weeks away from the trade deadline you know the mat i’ like to think of it better as we’re eight game or at least we we’re recording this Monday afternoon eight games away from the trade deadline by the time this airs

We will be seven games away from the trade deadline the clock is clearly ticking and at least from the magic perspective we’re in a different place than we were back in July I mean I think back or back in June like when we last talked we were talking a little bit

About maybe the magic moving up using six and 11 to get to get to two or get to three uh three and and and discussing some of those and of course I had to ask about Daman Lillard because I’d be it’d be irresponsible if I didn’t um the

Magic Den you know we thought that they were a team that could sneak into the playoffs and and be a team that could that could be around that that area Portland I think was still maybe trying to see if they could salvaged the Daman Lillard experiment and uh not experiment

But the Daman Lillard uh Legacy and and try and keep them our teams are obviously in very different places now the magic are sitting in in Prime playoff position the Blazers are starting to rebuild it’s a it is a it is a different space that these two teams

Are coming from and and obviously that Damen Lillard trade has has set everything up before we get into kind of the specific targets the magic might be looking at how do you feel where do you feel Portland is at in this first year of a rebuild which is always the

Toughest because you’re just kind of dealing with the wreckage that first year yeah that I mean that’s the thing is they’re it’s like they’re they’re bottom five in offense and defense right now they’re just a bad basketball team but they this is the path they chose

Right and so it’s like every night it can feel like man this team stinks but it’s like this is they wanted to be here in a lot of ways uh I think it’s a little bit frustrating because for fans because scoot Henderson just hasn’t been

Very good he’s 19 and he plays like a 19-year old um I’m still fairly confident that he ends up being a pretty good NBA player but he has not been that yet and and that’s just undeniable um they’re kind of they have a roster imbalance with a with probably one too

Many guards which is why they have to trade Malcolm Brogden and perhaps to the city beautiful where he where he belongs um but but they you know they when you’re when you’re launch ing these rebuilds it’s like about data collection and they’ve had some injuries that have

Limited like how much data they can collect and they’ve kind of struggled a little bit so I don’t think they’re in like selloff mode right because they already did that the last couple Seasons to get where they are they would just like to maybe get rid of one veteran

Specifically Malcolm brog and I don’t think they’re interested in trading Jeremy Grant from all the reports out there although they would for the France vogner offer no problem um that was me shaking my head for those on the audio podcast but but you know I think I think they would like to

Continue to stockpile assets and get a little bit better and and and you know make gradual steps because when you’re a bad team what’s really important is that at each cycle the trade deadline the off season Etc that you get a little bit incrementally better that you improve

Your standing so they need assets that can improve their standing whether that’s a draft picks juicy draft picks or Young Veterans that can be part of their core moving forward I can I ask you are the Magic in CL to like go for it I I don’t think that they’re ahead of

Schedule necessarily I think they thought they they’re eighth in the East right as we’re recording East as we’re recording this they eighth in East yeah right so I I think we you know if you thought hey this is like a playin kind of team they’re right there in the

Playin they certainly have a chance to move up and they’re talented and they look like they’re on the the graphs heading up but are they is there pressure in Orlando for them to make to avoid the play and to be a top six team in the East and all those things like

Are they are they gonna try to try to move up uh you know I so I think a lot of fans want them to do that and you know I’m I’m doing this trade deadline tour I am planning to talk about some all-in guys and we’ll talk maybe about

One all in guy later on because because there’s at least one that magic fans are interested in um but my sense has always been that this season’s still not about this season like this season is about making the play in TN about making the postseason playing some meaningful games

Playing uh you know play getting that kind of experience but it’s still about setting up the next two to three years like they want to make a trade that makes them better now and I don’t think they do a trade that doesn’t make them better now but they’re not doing a trade

That’s not going to help them next year and the year after uh if if that makes sense it’s still about building this team for the long term because you know making you know making the play in tournament whatever this year like they’re they’re they are what they are

They still I think honestly like I’ve been telling people this the magic need to get into a series a seven game series and get their butts kicked like Pao Pao Bano and fron Vagner are very good y they don’t even know what they need to work on and the team doesn’t even really

Know what they need until they face Boston and see how Boston squeezes the life out of them like they they need they need to get beat up a beat up a little bit and not like not that I you know I would love for them to make the

Four five game I’d love for them to be in a competitive series and potentially win that series you know they give Boston matchup problems they’ve given Milwaukee some problems in in the past before it’s not that Orlando can’t compete but it’s it’s very much you don’t know what you need because you’ve

Never done this before and so I I get the sense that there’s two things going on here with the magic first this is an extremely young team everybody is extremely close to each other and I think there is some at least internal concern about breaking this team up in

Some way like Marquel folz is going to be a free agent this summer he’s probably not the point guard he’s playing better now that he’s you know he’s getting healthy getting back in Rhythm but he’s probably not the point guard they need because of his shooting issues but he’s also immensely respected

In the locker room and so are you gonna trade him are you gonna you know the the logic tells you if you don’t plan on resigning him get something for him um but are is this team able to kind of take that hit where they’re losing you

Know it’s one thing if you’re trading Terrence Ross who’s you know a nice veteran uh you know but a guy that everyone knew was kind of on the way out like he made it pretty clear he wanted on the way out it’s one thing to trade that guy it’s another thing to trade

Another 20-some year old who’s you know been kind of the team leader and and best friend for a lot of guys along the way I think it’s easier to make those decisions in the summer at the same time Orlando does have to keep up with the

Joneses a little bit you know I’ve also been noting that you know Philadelphia Milwaukee Boston are your top three in the East you’re eventually going to have to break through to those teams but you also got to beat the Clevelands you also got to beat Indiana now with Pascal

Cakam you’ve got to beat New York with OG an anobi you got to climb over those teams too and so what the magic have is enough to make the play in is it enough to be the four seed to to to to be knocking on the door of that and some of

That is okay we got to let Paulo and fron naturally get better those are two very very young players who are still figuring this league out and the other part of it is how do we figure figure out what we need and you know again I I

Think that’s why I wanted to come come to you first on the story because Malcolm Brogden is a guy that I’ve been mildly let let’s get into it let’s talk about Malcolm Brock coming home baby let’s talk let’s talk about Malcolm Brock Today’s Show is brought to you by

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And you get a dollar for dooll deposit match up to 100 bucks when you use the promo code locked on NBA prize picks daily Fantasy Made Easy let’s talk about Malcolm BR um he’s a guy that I have been mildly obsessed with as the kind of point guard the

Magic like because or magic need because he’s a solid shooter um he’s a point guard that isn’t like a pound the ball the dirt point guard right um and he could spread the floor he spread the floor as a shooter that’s I should mention that twice because the magic eat

Shooting there wor three point shooting team in the league um but the magic don’t need a guy that’s gonna like necessarily be the point guard they they need a guy that can pass the ball off to poo or fron because they run a lot of point for this team too so let’s start

Let’s start here you know you’ve had half a season now with with Malcolm Brogden what have been your impressions of how he’s played you you know granted playing for a Blazers team that that maybe doesn’t have you know a clear playoff Direction but what if your what

Have your impressions been of him in his in his season with Portland well he’s he’s he’s just solid he’s just he’s solid as hell um he’s you know he’s the counting numbers don’t jump off the page at you right um he’s not this is like he’s a he’s like a 154

And5 type of point guard he’s shooting pretty darn well from three 42% down from 44 last year which is a career high but he’s he he could shoot it um he is the best thing he does is score so if you he’s not this crazy playmaker he’s

Not an elite defensive player he’s a competent defensive player he’s a competent playmaker the best version of Malcolm Brogden is you give him the ball and you say hey go score and he’ll take little mid-range pull-ups he will get to his right hand aggressively and he can

Shoot he is shooting and this is a number that I think will really is really meaningful to the magic because they have big creators who are non-shooters Malcolm brogen is shooting 53.3% on catch and shoot three-pointers he’s making more than half of them so when they do run those pal banero

Primary initiator I mean they let him freaking bring the ball across half court he is and and Fran’s the same way when they let those those big initiators who are not Shooters they need space around those guys right they need space around them Malcolm Brogden would provide that space and he would also

Provide that catch and shoot shooting and if if it doesn’t work you could throw it to him and he can run second side stuff to break break down defenses run a competent pick and roll uh operator and all those things he’s he’s you know is he like an above

Average starting point guard in the league probably not because it’s a very deep position but he’s he’s very competent he can play both guard spots and he would help almost any team in the league because what he does travels he’s going to average 155 and five wherever

You take him to his his career per 36 numbers 25 and five he pretty much does that everywhere he goes um does he play 36 minutes no he’s a limited limited minute guy but in you know for Orlando if he was playing 28 to 31 and you bump

It up to 34 in the playoffs because he like takes Cole Anthony’s minutes fine fine like you they would be better for it um I am curious well I guess you know the Malcolm brog interest is there because he’s just like solid do it is

There is there part of you that wants to aim higher is there part of you that says Malcolm Brogden is good he’s a B+ this team should this team should try to get A’s yeah yeah there there’s definitely a little little bit of that because you know you’re going to have to

I mean obvious you have to expend some assets to get something of value and and you know you you meant and you know we’ll maybe talk a little about what Orlando has to spend and that’s part of what I want this exercise to be is to help my you know help my listeners

Realize okay this is what the magic are actually willing to move around and willing to think about um as as we get get into these discussions because that’s that’s the other half of it it’s nice to want something in the window it’s another thing to walk in the store

And Fork Fork over the money to to pay for it um you know and to to that point like what I’ve been thinking about a lot is you know the Magic The Magic don’t you know the magic just need a guy that can spread the floor manage the game be

A good veteran as much as as much as anything else you know they they’re still such a young team they need someone that can calm them down like as much you know as much as like you know markl folz is what Markel folz is but he

Is a true point guard like he knows how to control the pace of a game knows how to settle guys down he knows how to get the ball to the right spots and and you know the magic need a manager like that like I’ve been telling people like and

You know the magic Lov their size so they’re not looking for a small guy to do it um what I’ve been kind of telling people is the magic need a Derek white type like what what Derrick White’s doing in Boston like obviously Boston’s not trading Derrick White anytime soon

But that’s the kind of player I think the Magik are looking for for this spot and obviously Boston kind of chose drick white over Malcolm bro Brogden is kind of the the I don’t want to say discount version because that’s that’s I think a little too low but um

He’s the veteran version of that and it’s a hard thing to find he would he settles things down if nothing else that is that what you just described is exactly what Malcolm Brogden could provide um he certainly he certainly gets you there he’s not going to defend

Like Derek white not anymore but he could score he could really like he can you know he had again and and you know I I was I was going to I was going to mention this earlier like Portland right now reminds me lot of the the 2013 magic

The first year without Dwight Howard the magic were still kind of this weird mix of veterans but clearly moving on they still had jir Nelson they s had J.J reick they s had Glenn Davis they s had hoo trik they had all these veterans and

They they kind of helped a lot of the young guys guys forward so before I answer your question about whether the magic should go for bigger fish do you feel like Brogden has been a good veteran for a young Blazers team that understands it’s it’s going to go

Through it a little bit right now yeah yeah he he he’s certainly their best in terms of like demonstrable leadership um Jeremy Grant I think they always say lead by example and to me that means that he doesn’t do any leading means he just that’s usually what that’s coded

Coded Lang it just means he shows up to work every day he can set a good example yeah he could set a good example but it’s not Brogden you you’ve I’ve seen him you know on the court talking with Shaden sharp he’s he’s a really good tone Setter in the locker room he

Answers questions and is honest and all those things and you know he’s he’s he was coming off the behind Scoot and behind scoot Henderson and amrey Simons and he was he said the right things whether he was happy with it is like for the eyes of the beholder but he he

Always was a pro about it I think he could be really really valuable in that role and it’s also why if the Blazers were to trade him I would recommend they they at least prioritize getting back not only like I think there’s part of teams and I’m sure you experienced this

Covering the magic because like fans like when they’re when a rebuild anyone older than 25 get the hell out of here like if you’ve graduated if you are older than you know college age get the hell out too old but I don’t I don’t really believe that getting in the way

Of the young players like like yeah like I don’t think you need um I don’t think you need to be split half and half 30y olds 20- year olds or whatever but like I think having no just like institutional knowledge here’s how it works here’s how you pack for a seven

Game 15-day road trip here’s how you know like honestly here’s how you cure a hangover like it’s like you you need some you need some like veteran leadership out there um and I think a veteran just like like I said institutional knowledge I think Brogden has that and I think he would

Bring that to Orlando um and I think he’d be happier on a better team and Orlando’s still they’re competitive they they could beat anybody on any given night and talking about like kind of the defense like we know Brogden has a defensive reputation and like the magic

Are such a good defensive team like they could maybe hide some of the flaws that that a Portland team can’t like you know defense is a team thing and Portland obviously you know has has some things to work through um you didn’t mentioned this and and and I think this is a

Really important point to bring up when we talk about Brogden is you know Brogden at his age and his experience level is probably a little bit of a stop Gap um you know I mentioned that kind of two to threee window of what the magic

Are trying to trying to cure um you know they definitely want I think to to find that point guard future they want to kind of settle their their lineup and certainly Brogden is a a short-term fix so to answer your question I do think

The magic are in are I don’t know if in the hunt Fort right now for that kind of bigger fish to to expend more assets but I think that they’d be silly not to listen and silly not to explore what some of these deals look like right now

You know I’ve I know I’ve pitched to jonte Murray from the Atlanta Hawks I like I don’t under like I think the magic they’re kind of talking about bigger point guards de Jon Murray is is the star that’s out there right now that seem that that seems to fit that mold

And so I I I think the magic would be silly not to at least kind of probe our friends at locked on NBA pitched Zack LaVine you know not a point guard but you know there are definit score guard type yeah yeah exactly there are definitely things the M they’re

Definitely players out there that fit the Magic’s like at least physical profile that fit needs that they clearly have on the roster that they that they should at least be exploring it so I I would be remiss and Magic fans would kill me if I didn’t ask you know Anthony

Simons Orlando boy Timon Springs born and raised Edgewater High School alum um is I my sense is Portland has no interest in dealing him like he’s kind of you know until scoot figures things out he’s kind of their guy is is Simons is Simon someone that that the Blazer

Blazers are exploring trading or or what’s his status with the team right now so eventually they’re gonna have to make a choice like you said got scoot Henderson they have Shaden sharp they’ve got um uh athrey Simons probably not going to have Malcolm brogen after February 9th but eventually you got to

Make a choice right you got to say you know you can only invest so much in dudes under 6’4 there’s only so many minutes that and and so much money that you can you can make the investment when you draft someone third overall that’s a pretty big institutional investment fin

Uh whatever organization too you can’t you can’t you can’t mess I mean you can’t you have to see that to the end unfortunately yeah it’s a not it’s a it’s a decade long investment and if you don’t if it doesn’t work out then you’re in a whole another spot and you’re

Trading Marco FZ to the magic and it’s like it’s a whole thing um but like uh amrey Simons is so much better than scoot enderson like he’s so much better than scoot enderson that right now it just wouldn’t be pragmatic to like quote unquote choose scoot quote unquote

Choose sharp like and an time experiment like that’s he’s 24 he’s under contract for two more years he’s significantly better you you need to figure out what you have in the young guards before you m make a make a decision it does seem like organizationally they eventually

Have to trade Anthony Simons because of what they’ve done behind him but they don’t have to make that decision now they certainly don’t have to make that decision in the next two weeks so I don’t think they’ll explore it even a little bit I don’t even think they’ll

Explore it this summer I think they’ll roll back with the same dudes in in the fall and and say let’s we want at least a year and a half of scoot Henderson a year and a half of shanen sharp playing to together to figure out what it looks

Like so I don’t think it’s I don’t think it would be this trade deadline could be next trade deadline and and I think I I don’t even like with the Jeremy Grant thing I don’t think the Blazers want to trade Jeremy Grant but if there was a fat offer they would

Certainly pick up the phone um I don’t know that they would I don’t know that they would consider Simons right now because it just doesn’t make sense for where they are in their rebuild because they they can’t pick a Direction so aggressively because they’re not good enough to pick a Direction so

Aggressively yet yeah and and you can’t let go tell I mean obviously I think this is the case anywhere any players available for any sweetheart deal like you have you have to at least pick up the phone and listen even if you’re laughing and snickering while the phones

On mute while they’re talking um like you have to you have to at least explore everything that’s out there uh as you’re trying to determine determine your direction trust me I’ve had a lot of experience in in that um uh but yeah I mean I I agree like I I

Like I’ve I mean obviously there’s a a Nostalgia or a homecoming bit with Simons here in Orlando you know Orlando needs scoring they need kind of dynamic scorers they need someone besides Palo and frons that can more consistently have big games um you know because just

So much attention is put on Pao and frons and I think that’s that’s something the magic are gonna have to look for here uh like look for players that just have that are just more Dynamic and and can expand and contract their roles as needed and you know

That’s why I think Brogden is an interesting option I think that’s you know I think that’s something the magic are going to be looking for um let’s let’s close out here then with kind of yeah can I pitch you a fake trade pitch me a fake

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Like I’m not going to check it don’t worry um but uh my pitch is involves no draft picks so there’s something juicy for you no draft picks Malcolm Brogden and Blazers uh fourth year center Moses Brown currently out with a wrist injury but that’s okay he’s on a minimum deal

Guys with injuries yeah it’s perfect for Wendell Carter Jr and Gary Harris speaking of guys with injuries come on down um I am Marco folz doesn’t do it for the Blazers like what’s what’s his value the expiring contract you’d have to throw in picks um and and and what

Does that what does that do for you you know maybe I want the maybe they want the Bulls pick because that team might suck have that anymore it’s gone oh they just used it just kidding that was six and 11 that was six and 11 got we got this nice we

Got this nice heavily protected Denver pick yeah heavily protected B bow pick or whatever it is um but wend Carter Jr and Gary Harris I um Harris you know entering free agency this this summer he’s probably not a long-term magic but he’s he’s been he’s solid and I think

That sort of that’s your veteran help and Wendell Carter obviously hasn’t been able to stay healthy with the you know from my perspective Goa baz is somehow really good he’s somehow a really effective NBA Center uh obviously Mo Wagner’s playing so it’s like Wendell’s probably better than those two dudes at

His best version of himself but I don’t think he’s been that and I and he’s got this really sweetheart contract it’s like a great deal um what is your comfort level in trading Wendell Carter when probably his value is at the lowest yeah and and that’s I mean I I I think

That’s going to be the roadblock the magic get into uh as they get to the as they start getting into the nitty-gritty of these deadline discussions um I I don’t think I would include Wendell Carter in a Malcolm Brogden trade I I don’t feel like this magic team needs

Malcolm Brogden that badly um you know like magic fans have also been very obsessed with tus Jones from the Washington Wizards and you know they can maybe put together a trade that could wiggle Carter free U but then I also counter like well the magic can just go

Sign tus Jones outright in the summer like they don’t need like they don’t need to give up anything to get him assuming Washington is going to trade him assuming unless Washington is just dead set on trading him and then you got to worry about the competition and I

Think this is a very like competitive point guard trade market between Brogden between Jones Murray’s out there there there’s there’s a lot of point guards to be moved and you know I think actually wend Carter’s value you know even though he’s had a rough season and and he’s

Played well the last four games so we’re starting to see Wendel Carter be the Wendel Carter we thought we were getting at the start of the season um there aren’t a lot of centers out there um you know there aren’t a lot of centers on this Market market so teams that need

Centers could be you know even though Wendel Carter hasn’t played great um overall he’s playing better now um I think there might be more of a premium on him and you know I’ve been of the mind that I believe in wend Carter like you know I I I recognize that he will

Miss 15 to 20 games every season and and that’s part of the problem and part of something the magic had to find a solution for that’s why I got in trouble during the lock down mock draft because I was like very dead set on solving that problem um goab baz appar seemed to

Solve solve it a little bit there like he was he was he was much better than than anti than anticipated noidea yeah yeah but for me honestly like I still believe that this is a dip season that this is just not who Wendel Carter is and I’m more willing to bet that he’s

Gonna bounce back to where he was last year or where where where he was last year and these last four games entering Monday’s game against Cleveland has certainly looked that um than to just kind of sell sell low on him like sure to just kind of move him just to just to

Move him um and and I you know I think that’s part of the problem is the market wants the magic to move wend Carter like I always tell people that the trade deadlines about buyers and sellers you you know you can’t really negotiate there’s not a lot of time to negotiate

Everyone’s on a on a deadline um and so it’s about are you buying or are you selling the magic are buy are hoping to buy but the market I think wants them to make this guy available to to make these other moves happen and I don’t think the

Magic do that without a quality Center because goab bad has been great this year but he is still a center full of shortcomings he’s not he’s not an offensive threat unless it’s a dump down straight to a dunk or a put back he used to shoot threes he used to shoot threes

He doesn’t Magic The Magic The Magic kind of told him no no no no no no stop that get in the post be a tra be a traditional Center and it’s worked like that like that’s that’s that it’s worked for him he’s a great rim protector but

Like I can’t tell you how many times I’ve watched magic players shouting at him where to be on offense um you know wendo Carter is still just very clearly the best center option and hon and like I’m not giving up wendo Carter unless I’m getting a decent Center back and

Return um because you know goab bad is that’s why I threw Moses Brown in the deal baby got Mo Brown I mean you know just as a just as a counter offer let me let me look look here um you obviously Robert Williams is injured I don’t think

The magic would go would go for that at this point because they need to to be they don’t really have centers like duop brief is a is a two-way guy yeah um baji is I mean I’ll goad I’ll go ahead and ask this then I mean obviously that’s

You know getting to 33 million you know $34 million which might be a little trickier for the magic to match uh as far as salaries go um because I I think they’re bumping up right against the cap but would Robert Williams be someone you know injury issues aside and and I’m not

Suggesting to Magic do this but are the Blazers willing to dangle Robert Williams out there if they were to get a player like wend Carter in return yeah I think in a heartbeat right like I think I think there’s such a huge question mark about Rob Williams future health um

He just missed so much time and he had you know and he’s he has another knee surgery this year and he’s like um I I think in a heartbeat like I think they would say like he’s not you know he’s not he wouldn’t be available the value

Of Brogden is that you get him for this year and next year so like you said you get you get two years of Brogden um and I think there’s there’s some appeal there and he’s like a better shooter than than Jones and Murray he’s not as

Good as jante Murray but he’s just like a different type of player um and so player yeah I think I think for me it’s like if I were you know I’m not in charge um yeah but like we’re just we’re just spitballing here these are not like

Stone we’re not like saying do this now like we’re we’re just spit we’re just got of comparing rosters of the magic like tradable yeah of the Magic’s tradable Parts Marco fultz doesn’t do it for the Blazers not a believer in Jonathan Isaac ever playing 30 minutes

Again in the NBA he’s just like that it’s been it was preco even with non guaranteed contract next yeah no the money doesn’t matter like I don’t for me I don’t think the Blazers if if they’re not getting juicy draft picks I don’t think they necessarily need to prioritize expiring because they they

Have an expensive enough roster that they’re going to hit the salary floor like they need veterans who can contribute and that’s why I’m interested in wend Carter Isaac like he does provide that salary relief and maybe if you maybe if the if the market dictates it that’s what you end up wanting you

Say Okay magic give us a give us an a draft pick in 2026 you know like top three protected or something like that and and and will’ll take on Jonathan Isaac and we’ll and he’s he’ll just be off the roster in the future I just you

Know he hasn’t played 35 minutes in a game since like pre-co which is basically like another era that’s just he’s he’s a bench player at this point like you’re GNA be managing him a little bit and he’s really impactful still but you’re man you’re managing he plays 17

Minutes right he plays 17 minutes 17 awesome minutes on defense he’s he’s freaking still a very very good defensive player but he’s he is like for me he is what he is so no I folz doesn’t do it for me Isaac I’m not I’m personally not interested in that’s more

Me than my like Blazers guess so it’s like if I’m if I’m coming to Orlando I’m asking for Wendell Carter and then here’s what I’m doing I’m saying great you don’t want to trade him I totally understand uh call me back at 9:00 a.m. on February 8th when you realize that

You’re not going to get a trade done and that Deonte Murray is somewhere else and Ty Jones else and we’ll talk then and deadlines for actions and in the last three hours we’ll see if we could squeeze it when I did a crossover with the Knicks too and it was the same kind

Of thing it was like well I want them to throw Quinton crimes in the deal and and Alex wol of locked on Nick said I don’t want to trade Quinton crimes said great I’ll call you back on February 8th the way the way Nicks fans feel about

Quinton Grimes is very different to the way the Knicks feel about qu Grimes yeah exact um yeah yeah like I I I get that and and like you know I’m I’m a big believer as you find Frameworks for deals and you could kind of fill in the

Details later and so yeah if the framework for a Malcolm Brogden deal is Wendell Carter and Gary Harris and Jonathan Isaac’s off the table that’s probably not a deal the magic do at this point um you know you know would the would the magic be more willing to do it

If you threw in matis if he threw in matis cyble uh you know like May probably not because I think I don’t know if they’re comfortable going into the off season with just that big question at Center um you know goab bad and mo Vagner can hold the fort down

But you’re then very very thin at Center should one of them get hurt or should one of them have issues and honestly like there a lot of Admiral scoffield small ball lineups yeah yeah and then or or playing Pao at Center or playing Isaac at Center which which the magic

Should do at times but very specific matchups and you know then you got to answer the center question and like my big thing with wendo Carter has been I think he is more than serviceable I think he’s a very good player I think I want to see him in the playoffs and see

If his style of Defense works in the playoffs because I do have concerns about whether you can have a non kind of Above the Rim Center be successful in the playoffs like that is my ultimate concern with Wendell Carter but I think he’s earned the right to prove us right

Or wrong and so I think getting him into the into a playoff series would be really really important and and so I’m I’m not ready to kind of move Wendel Carter quite yet and I don’t think the magic have kind of the infrastructure to

To to to settle that right now and so I think at this point that framework is a is a pass for me as as a magic team trying to buy Malcolm brog and obviously I think the Blazers will have several offers to pick from to to find to find

The one they want for for brog hopefully it’s not just locked on podcast host because I can’t get Quinton Grimes I Can’t Get wend Carter I just I’m out here striking out and you know what that’s the beauty of it being you know late January when we get to February

These teams are gonna be sweating Blazer fans these teams are going to be sweat like like I said we’re we’re seven eight games from the deadline like I like I am hammering this point home I need a mo I need a mo Vagner 2020 game here in the

Next couple weeks to really go Paz 17 and 17 I mean the Magic The Magic gave chuma okk his chance like we have a free chuma KK get his restricted free agent rights second draft him like um yeah and and I would say this you know if

Portland comes off of looking for kind of Veteran or youngish players I do think the magic will be willing to trade their picks or trade trade future first round picks or or put you know how do we protect a future first you know I don’t think they’re you know not that this

Draft you know this draft is apparently very middle heavy but you look at the magic they aren’t playing the number 11 pick in the draft right now in jet Howard um because they don’t have the roster space for them so right how’s that going to be any better next year I

Do think the Magic’s 2024 first round pick is very much in play as we get closer to the deadline and yeah Blazers already have two picks though they would want 2025 but are the magic going to be good in 2025 they’ve got the they’ve yeah they’ve got the Denver pick in I’m

Pretty comfortable saying that the nuggets are going to be good next season they got that weird Phoenix Washington pick though that yeah so that’s that 2026 pick I I was kind of floating it’s like yeah um so listen how about this we’ll watch the market and if we need to

We’ll come back re come back to the table on in early February and we’ll talk about sort of where both these teams are and where the market has kind of dictated they might need to be because as you mentioned deadlines spur actions and everybody is operating under

The same deadline for this one yep and we still got the still you know seven games doesn’t feel like a lot but it is a lot and obviously for for this magic team they’re getting healthy now we we you know Sunday against Miami we saw their opening night starting lineup for

The first time since October 31st so w the Magic The Magic are going to be learning a lot I I don’t think they’re look they’re looking to make a deal before February 8th like we will yeah no reason for the Blazers no reason to make a deal before the the last minute

Because they want to they want to juice the brogen market for all they can possibly get so there you go absolutely um there’s clearly very a whole lot of interest I think he’s clearly a fit for the magic it’s just about whether there is a deal uh Mike I want to thank you

For for jumping on and and entertain entertaining us hopefully I didn’t get myself in trouble this time um and and hopefully we’ll be trade Partners again in the future or or as as I like to conclude every podcast I’ll see you in the 2027 NBA Finals there you go well we won’t be

There but 2029 the Portland Trail schedule our schedule is to win a title before 2030 so we will we see 2030 I love it all right thanks Phil it was it’s always a pleasure thanks again to Philip for joining the program it’s a whole bunch of fun tomorrow show we’ll recap the

Game against OKC and then on to Houston the Blazers play a back toback we’ll have you covered right here for both of those games it’s what we do five days a week wherever you get Podcast and also on YouTube I appreciate you listening I’ll talk to you Soon

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