Has The Chicago Bulls Front Office Lack Of Movement Finally Caught Up WIth Them?

Has The Chicago Bulls Front Office Lack Of Movement Finally Caught Up WIth Them?

You found yourself on another episode of lock on bulls on today’s episode we’re going to talk about the recent moves around the Eastern Conference as the Miami Heat and Milwaukee Bucks have both made big moves to change the direction of their of their teams we’re also going

To talk about ak’s lack of moves over the last few years and is Zack LaVine actually staying put as a Chicago Bull we’re going to talk about it all and more right after this you are locked on bulls your daily podcast on the Chicago Bulls part of the locked on podcast

Network your team every Day thank you for tuning in to lockone Bulls member of the lockedown podcast Network where it’s your team every single day that’s Pat the designer host and creator of the windy city Breeze and host of of the Chicago Bears podcast over at ESPN 1000 I’m Hayes social creator of Chicago Bulls and Chicago

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None of it was the Chicago Bulls so the Miami Heat decided to go ahead and pull the trigger on uh a trade that you know not the trade’s been rumored but everybody’s kind of known that the Miami Heat were looking to kind of move around some of their assets they mov the

Carcass of Kari um and that BBL uh BBL for the na 2027 heavily protected first round pick for Terry roier now Terry roier is a player that to me fits heat culture um when you look at it averaging over 20 points per game he’s definitely an active Defender not not a

Lock down Defender by any stretch but he gets active he also is averaging I think like seven seven taking almost eight three-pointers per game hitting at an almost 35% clip this a guy that can help this team they maintain their depth in Tyler herro Duncan Robinson they also maintain some flexibility if another

Trade comes uh comes up talking about just that move first in this how do you feel about that move that the Miami Heat man listen it it it continues to put us further behind the eightball I’ll tell you that much I mean it it’s it’s a good

Move for the team I think the the part A lot of people you know Ringo Die Hard Heat fan but and only one the only one the only one uh but but people who watch the Heat and claim to be fans I’ve heard a lot of people talking about the seven

Assists uh and I watched more Charlotte Hornet games than I’m proud to say um look how he get them assist right it’s a lot of like bailout let me kick this to the last man who might be open type your digs I don’t think that’s going to work

On the Miami Heat I do think he could be an elite score for that team and I think at the end of the day this is one of those guys where he’s the role player that you needed while not giving up anything right like that’s that’s really

What you see from him it’s like what’s he gonna do score what else is he gonna do he’s gonna try and be as active as he can defensively and he’s probably going he’s probably willing to punch somebody in their mouth the thing that I like about that is interesting about the

Terry Roser piece is that up until he was traded to Charlotte he was mainly just known as a defense guy who could do a little bit of scoring he never averaged more than 11 points per game with the Boston Celtics he goes to the Charlotte Hornets a team where he kind

Of has more flexibility he immediately becomes an 18 point per game score there goes on to average in totality in his time with the Charlotte hornin the six seasons there over 20 points per game that whole entire time now you mentioned the six assist and the thing that I’m

Saying with that is that who the heck was he passing to lamelo ball has been on one leg ba and Ankle basically the whole time there uh it’s been him and Melo for for the most part like so I I get the six assists aren’t the true type

Like they’re they’re not a Kobe white six assist right Kobe white gets five assist but you know he’s actually breaking down the what that’s wild to say just that we that we’re at the point we’re going it’s not a Kobe white assist it’s not a Kobe white assist but I do

Think that with the play style of the Miami Heat and the fact that they move the ball around a little bit more he’s not g I don’t think he’s going to get the six and a half assists that he’s getting in Charlotte but I do think that

He’s going to be able to fit in that system do think he’s going to be a really good SC but I think we’re going to see now you have Terry roier and Jimmy Butler as Defenders out on the wing and I think that is going to cause

A lot of turnovers for the Miami Heat that’s going to help them get out in transition as well yeah it’s gonna be interesting I’ll tell you this they didn’t get worse today that that’s that’s that’s really what it comes down to right like whether I believe I don’t

Believe Terry grer is a true point and I think that might be something that Miami needs um for that team to go out there and and have the ultimate success but you also got Jimmy Butler who’s basically dragged the carcass of the Miami Heat to the uh to the finals in

Multiple appearances uh because half of the team basically died on the way there and it was just like Gabe shoot I mean like you’re not you’re not in that situation now where you’re bringing in a player that is it you’d be surprised if he had a high scoring output that’s not gonna

Happen with t roier t roier is a score you know what he’s gonna do you know what he’s gonna bring and the Miami Heat did not get worse they they they got better in an Eastern Conference that to me is making moves that are helping a

Lot of teams get better agree 100% agree with you on that one and you know this that that was how the day started and then it got a little bit more interesting as the day went on Pat as Adrien Griffin who we talked about and

Told you guys not even a week ago was a horrible head coach and the and the Milwaukee Bucks were winning games based off the talent that they have there but it’s not like their coach was coaching them up to be even higher than that well

It all came to a head the night before when Giannis anbo actually took the clipboard and Drew up plays Giannis aopo had to draw up plays and then the next day Adrien Griffin was fired and then and then four hours after firing Adrien Griffin Doc Rivers is now

Back in the NBA as the head coach of the Milwaukee Bucks Doc is back baby Doc is back but yet we were we’ve been in the bottom half of the league and gave our coach an EXT anyway we’ll talk about that in the next segment what do you

Think about doc being back bro I mean listen I think I think here’s the thing the the number one question that does pop into both of our minds is why wanton the Bulls do anything um but because they don’t care about us they’re not gonna get worse again they’re not

Getting worse doc listen for all the things that Doc Rivers isn’t what he is is a coach that’s consistently in the playoffs that’s consistently going deep into playoffs that has consistently been in the Western Conference Finals Eastern Conference Finals was not a thing for him in Philly but you looked at him in

Boston you look at his time and what he did in Orlando going all the like he’s he’s a coach that’s going to get you to a certain point and you hope that you have a magical run that pushes you over the top um he’s got two guys that have

The ability to take you on a magical run you got Dame Lillard you got jannis s kmo uh I will say this the fact that the fact that Giannis was drawing up plays you knew it was over bro like you knew knew that there was no way that Adrien

Griffin was going to be because what play is jannis drawing up bro like like what play was jannis dra up there that was just an elite like there’s no way Giannis was out here putting together some great ball movement some great off Ball action I’m not buying it bro I’m

Not buying it hey when Yiannis is a coach in 2045 just remember this moment no I’m not going to lie to you I fully expect us to hear Giannis talking like later on down the line where he’s like breaking down basketball and we’re just like yeah all right jannis that’s

Cool this is what Yannis Drew up on the bench by the way this is play yis Drew up hey better than ly me listen better than L gety my brother um the play his Drew up just straight down the middle dive let me get that

Ball two end Jam like I I don’t know crazy but I I think I think it it speaks to the conversation I ask you this right like the question on like the Bulls continue to fall farther and farther behind and it’s not like they don’t have the ability to do things

They just seem like they won’t we talk they don’t care Pat they don’t care they don’t care we’ll talk about it but like do you with the with the Milwaukee Bucks being this aggressive at at immediately going out after and getting Doc Rivers does this change the way that you view

Them at all no they were a good basketball team they just had a terrible head coach that was literally he was drawing the same thing up Giannis was run and for Dame it was a pass play it was four verts for Dame that’s all we

Was getting out of this bro like no it doesn’t change how I feel about the buger the buckser um I’ll say this I do think that it changes Championship as spiration okay cuz at what what are they right now 28 and 17 or 28 B no they’re

They’re like 30 and something right is it it’s a lot of games there uh but whatever 30 and 13 30 and 13 right 30 and 13 so uh a lot of games above 500 and you looked at that team and you literally went they’re not winning a championship like I never I never

Watched the Milwaukee Bucks on a night in Night Out Bas and went yep that’s a championship level team I thought they wer they wer they wer running any offense it was literally just we are talented stop us and teams are like we tried we couldn’t do it yeah

I don’t know man I I I just I I don’t feel like much changed talent-wise but now you’ve got somebody who to me listen all you got to do I just need doc understand this it’s pick and roll with Giannis and day I have to play up on the pick and

Roll because it’s day which means Giannis is going to roll so there’s a bunch of people down there that’s going to die that all these people back there they dead just don’t don’t why why straight to death P Bro you ever seen Yiannis come to the hole bro that was crazy that’s crazy

That was crazy that was wild wild also also we did get a picture of the actual play that Giannis Drew up and uh I’m gon be honest with you it it’s pretty self-explanatory it’s I mean that looks like giis for you guys who are on the podcast

Side it’s it’s a Giannis play it makes sense yeah that’s that’s tough that is tough um but anyway with that said we got to move on man next up we’re going to be talking about the lack of activity uh from the Chicago Bulls but before we

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Conference the thing that highlights it is when you look at the Miami Heat move I look at that as saying a team took Kari who they weren’t really weren’t getting a lot out of and they turned it into a player that that’s going to give them more like you said they got better

They didn’t get worse um and the the the Milwaukee Bucks didn’t want to stay stagnant even though that they were winning with the head coach and decided to make a move that’s going to better their team hopefully for a playoff run and the Chicago Bulls despite having mid-level exceptions still we got $20

Million in exceptions just sitting there we have Lonzo balls contract who we’ve been hearing now that the Bulls may be more open to move than ever before but it’s still a lack of movement you part up a great thing that we were talking about off air as far as how many deals

Have has ake Everly missed out on and I think that’s such an important way to view this because me and you talk about it a lot they got offered a deal for Zack LaVine at last year’s trade deadline they decided not to move off off of that and now you’re in a place

Where you kind of have to move Zack guess you don’t necessarily have to but you’re looking to move Zach and the market is all but zero at this point so when you look at the lack of movement from this front office pad how does that

Make you feel I mean I it just you got to ask the question right do you still trust AC me and and at this point it it’s it’s a it’s a tough question to ask I just I really feel like when you look at this team in the long

Term you you don’t see a lot of long term right Kobe white is something that they have really kind of just ended up I don’t want to say lucking into because he developed right like he he did some things that helped his game get better but it feels like he’s a player

That you ended up just kind of rolling the dice with and it ended up working out for you outside of that though these role of the dices have have come up snake eyes every time well it’s great that you point that out because listen like Kobe white the Ascension

That Kobe white has been on has been great I don’t want to I’m not talking anything negative about what Kobe white has turned into because I love it it’s it’s we we we love Kobe yeah but the is it how concerning is it that the player that’s made the step the leap whatever

You want to call it is still a draft pick by the former front office we haven’t seen a single player that this front office has drafted that has turned into what you wanted them to turn into yet yeah no I think that that’s all very valid and and I think that’s the problem

Right when when I talk about trust in a AK and how we how they first got here and it felt like there was going to be contingency plans on contingency plans on contingency plans it seems like there’s one plan and we’ve been trying to run back that one plan since the day

That Lonzo ball went down and first off hold on side note did you see Lavar ball called this man Lonzo damaged goods bro that man crazy wild bro listen I listen I appreciate the reality that Lavar ball cuz listen there’s so often that Lavar ball like when the Lonzo thing first

Went down he was like oh yeah just come out work with me I’ll have right in the summer he’ll be back it’s been two summers bro he’s not back stop working stop working with him but uh no I I just I look at this whole situation and and

To me the deals that you’ve missed have put the Bulls behind the eightball the deals that you haven’t been willing to go out and try to attack have put the Bulls behind the eightball all these people that are dying to sign here in Chicago um that haven’t signed here in

Chicago has put the Bulls behind the eightball and you know what yeah I think that they’re I think the way that they started this off you did have to do that you had to rebuild the mindset that the Bulls wanted to win that they wanted to be a winning organization that they

Wanted to go out there and compete for you to get people to come to Chicago but the fact that you the fact that you haven’t tried to make any changes the fact that you haven’t tried to and when you tried to make changes because your backs up against the wall and the the

Player himself basically went out there and requested a trade like what what are you supposed to do with that what what is that’s not you wanting to make change that’s change having to come because you were in a no- win situation and guess what you’re still in a no- win situation because

You’re watching a basketball team right now that continues to go out there and even in losing efforts plays better than the team that has Zack LaVine on the floor so you you you putting them back out there you like what’s what’s the game plan there Demar D rozan there’s so

Many pieces on this team that just you don’t see the long-term success in outside of Kobe and like you said Kobe’s not even a member of this regime like it’s tough yeah it’s tough and and I don’t want to oversimplify like what it takes to be successful uh

As a front office like I I get it like we all can play armchair GM but like the the thing that that is the job at the GM that we can’t do here is you have to Future forecast you have to be willing to move over like us as fans we get

Attached to players we get we sit there and say oh there’s no way we don’t want to see them trade tomorrow like that’s what we’re saying but I’m just saying things like that but it seems like this front office took on that mindset and it’s a detriment to the team when you

Have a front office that is so tied to players that they just like no no no my precious my precious yeah and then by time it’s time to let it go it’s like don’t nobody want it it’s tarnished now I guess I guess here’s the here’s the

One question that you you have to ask did the do the Bulls have to go through this to build up the trust that they had kind of destroyed among players in the NBA do you have to go through through the Loyalty phase in players to build

That trust back up because there a I mean like you just when you thought you were building the trust back up right like you trade away Derrick Rose who won an MVP for this city who uh has gone on to still have a a long career now he

Hasn’t been the number one you might have needed to change things there but I think that hurt how a lot of people viewed Chicago um well that it was the combination of that because it wasn’t just the Derek Rose is the fact that tibs Rose Noah all like all back to like

Was just all subsequent years it was bad you basically said I’m going to blow it up when realistically you had Jimmy Butler here yeah you had Jimmy Butler and thibs here you don’t think they you don’t think that could have worked in some Dynamic like you couldn’t you

Couldn’t rebuild we don’t know how to build a team around Jimmy Butler that’s still a crazy St the thing that this but wait within that same front office two years later then goes on to say hey we don’t know how to do this anymore you probably should bring some new guys

In otherwise they would have still been here yeah and I think that’s that’s the part that concerns us Mo that’s the part that concerns me most about the direction that I guess did the did the Bulls are the Bulls having to go through a necessary evil because of the stain

That was put on the organization because they got rid of Jimmy Butler pretty much in the same fashion you got rid of Derrick Rose no and I I and I and I definitely understand that in what you’re saying about changing the the like go through that la

Through through Zack dear even to the GRE Lonzo ball like I definitely understand that but the thing is that while you may have rebuilt the image of loyalty you’ve now built a new image of inaction and ineptitude of building a consistent team and that may be more

Detrimental than the Loyalty piece of it because honestly you come in as a new front office if as long as you’re winning to me you don’t have to rebuild the trust of loyalty from a new front office if you build something that’s sustainable and win and I think players

Will understand hey they have they were trying to do what they can to win because we had won for so long but now you now have this look whether right or wrong or how much of it is valid people look at this Bull’s front office as

Being inept and that is worse well I think I I I’ll tell you what’s even worse it they look at the Bulls front office as being stagnant yeah we’ve literally watched you build a team and then just not do anything else like I when’s the last time we saw

K I see Ryan PA’s every three weeks not realistically but you know like we’ve seen him probably four or five times this season yeah when’s the last time we saw Mark ever when’s the last time this is turning into right that first season when we were winning

We saw him a bunch yeah look at him he’s at the game he’s kicking it oh he’s doing a presser oh let’s get over here let’s hear what he’s got to say this guy’s a genius then get after the trade deadline whether whatever they do we won’t see them again they’ll have their

Normal pressure after the trade deadline the be talking about and explaining why they didn’t make moves or maybe just maybe they’re on there saying hey we made a bunch of we we made a a move or we made a series of moves and we think that this is going to improve where we

Stand yeah we’ll see what it ends up being I I I fully doubt um we’re going to see a ton of change I do think you need to find a way to get Shooters here and I don’t know who you’re going to trade to get more Shooters here

But hey bro I’m tell I’m telling you right now right now it doesn’t sound like uh Zack lavine’s leaving Bas we talk about that that’s G that’s I’m here that was the shooter that we’re adding exactly the shooter that we’re adding is the guy that’s been here the entire time

Hey listen it’s a gamble but uh we got to tell you guys about I tried to make that transition I depressed myself you really you try get an A for effort bro I depressed myself halfway through it I was like man it’s a gamble uh hey we do got to tell you guys

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Are on the Bulls and they don’t want the piece that that we’re trying to give up it’s so it’s crazy it’s crazy to say um but right now the odds are that Zack LaVine is probably gonna stay here the Chicago Bulls now again can it still

Work possibly um I know you have a a take as far as like just being over like that that you know this team plays better without Zach but when you look at the possibility and the chances increasing the Zack stays here after the February 8th deadline how does that make

You feel Pat I mean I I think the thing is the question like you said can the Bulls make it work because I think at the end of the day um you’re you’re running back the same situation you’re running back the same scenario here you’re running back what

You’ve been doing the last four years where can you make a change in that if Demar D Roan is a name that comes up and remember it’s not that want to see demard de R Roan leave but the Bulls are far apart with demard de R Roan on money

And years that’s a contract like that’s so basically there’s no contract in place the last that we’d heard um and in the in the the year of an expiring deal I would think that you want to go out there and you want to bring back you want to bring back something

For a Demar D rozan because the four of them together aren’t going to win I will say this if there’s any caveat to what we’ve seen from Zack LaVine it’s always been with demard d rozan on the floor what does this team look like in a Kobe

Zack Vu scenario um where you’re kind of getting that same Demar field Kobe’s not losing any of his shots and Zack LaVine is still able to go out there and and be the shooter that you need on this team a above 40% shooter that we need on this

Team there’s nobody to throw the basketball to that can knock down the three ball consistently right now now Javon Carter what are you doing I I mean Javon Carter I I saw play let’s let’s come on Javon Carter listen listen the play the play is out there Giannis sent

The play from Milwaukee for Javon Carter to run same play it’s the same Play It’s except he doesn’t actually go to towards the arrow he just pump fakes that’s all that happens there he doesn’t he doesn’t run the play that’s the problem but I I just with Zack lavine’s stay put you

Need to find something else to make the mix work because if if it is right like it’s being reported that and Shams has said this multiple times nobody wants them it’s the injury concerns it’s the years on the contract it’s the money attached to the contract which I’m kind of

Surprised that people are so worried about the money attached to the contract it’s it’s one of the cheaper contracts out there but um as far as Max players I should say oh as far I was about to say it’s like the 18th largest contract in the league I

Think he’s even higher than that yeah yeah but it’s it’s just you have to find a way to make it work here and yeah that the way that it may work is somebody’s gonna have to sit down and tell Zack LaVine you’re not number one you’re not the end of the game guy

You’re not the guy you’re you’re Klay Thompson we’re we’re coming up with our own Steph Curry that could be it that could be the key now it’s Billy Donovan the coach to be able to say that though I don’t think and that’s the problem yeah I think that

Goes back to ak’s lack of Moves Like that’s that’s the problem if Zach’s staying put how’s Billy work I don’t know bro I don’t know 48% win percentage as as the head coach of Chicago Bulls get you a a undetermined amount of extension on your contract apparently so and I’m not it’s

I’ll tell you this I I think this is the one observation I did have from going going to the UC it’s dead it’s dead was the UC dead the UC was dead when I tell you the cheering you hear is for big plays and it immediately goes dead in there the

Excitement you hear is when somebody dunks the basketball and then it goes dead in there now if it’s a close game at the end of the game it was a blowout for us right but it was if it’s a close game at the end of the game you might

Get some excitement at the end of the fourth quarter mugs might be hyped and but like dog outside of that like it’s quiet like remember when you like was like hey Jimmy you like it’s that that’s crazy we we almost had a run a fade on Jimmy Butler that would have

Been crazy I’m not crazy we would have lost no we wouldn’t have hey bro bro he got 15 dudes willing to fight for him it was me that’s all we need it’s all we need Hey listen Hey listen yeah as long as we got that thing exactly exactly I got

That I packed that thing too that’s the only way we gonna make it out of there that plus we had the play drawn up by Yiannis we can’t fail hey we couldn’t lose we couldn’t lose bro no I just I’m I’m I’m very disappointed in how uh Acme

Has handled the entire Zack line situation um for the years that he has I’m very disappointed in the outcome of it and it’s not even to say that I don’t want Zack LaVine to be a Chicago B it’s more so to say you haven’t put most of your players on this team in

A position to be successful yeah we’ll see man let’s see what happens in the future bro let’s keep hope alive uh yeah let’s let’s see maybe maybe we’re here February 8th and we’re all both shocked by AK going to work Hey listen if the Demar trades end up going

Through I mean like just Shooters back that’s all I need somebody to shoot the basketball send them Mar to Charlotte let him be down there with OB not the not the not the other one not listen anybody listen first of all anybody before we go anybody who’s

Saying hopefully K lari gets bought out and then he signs with the Chicago Bulls shut up shut go to the Nelly and J Ru concert because you’re an idiot shut up y you’re a loser that’s the last thing I want come on man all right let’s get out

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