FYI this data is just from February, our worst month. I’m not worried just genuinely curious
Norby710
Maybe everyone’s known for years that you can get open 3s against the Knicks. Extra confidence boost.
GoldenBoyRecords
Someone can correct me if I am wrong but its our defensive scheme. Thibs will and has always put emphasis on protecting the paint vs the 3pt line. This is nothing new and we bank on teams just missing. Its a big reason why this team struggles against stretch 5s for example because our bigs drop to protect the paint. We rarely adjust to the personnel we play against. Look at KP he typically goes off whenever he plays against us because of how we defend him
confuddly
Thibs entire defensive scheme is hinged upon the speed at which defenders can go from the paint to contest a 3 pt shot on the perimeter. So there are two reasons we’re struggling with this:
1. People are too tired to do this effectively because they’re all playing 40+ minutes due to injuries
2. We’re playing slow players in Burks/Bojan who can’t do this effectively.
Both of these things will change once OG comes back
ploptankploop
IIRC a few seasons ago Knicks opponents were shooting the lowest % on open 3s. Some of this is for sure on the defense but some of this is just how sports works
heliumointment
thibs favors interior D and tries to force teams to beat us with shooting (esp from the weak side)
being +10% over avg shouldnt matter when opps are hitting a low amt of total 3s tho? (2nd column)
also prob worth noting that in the span this is looking at (jan ’23–’24) we’re among the lowest opp ppg
CaptainObvious1313
Defense is crap because all players have been deceased
JA_MD_311
Have you watched the games? Everyone is a step slow to the ball right now. We give up an insane amount of open looks.
Oral_Salmon_user1
at the end of the day its the knicks 😅
SG_Fuzz
We give lethal three point shooters way too much room. Also our help defense on screens is not good
Interesting-Piece612
Teams always go off on us from 3
HibachiTyme
Luck
Jusuf_Nurkic
It’s just variance in a 1 month sample size. Wide open 3s are basically all “luck” since it’s literally no defense, so this isn’t an indictment on our defense (looks like we’re middle of the pack in wide open 3s allowed).
Rgb3rgb2
Our defensive scheme, but that was fixed with OG. Now that he’s gone the same problem is happening again.
BitchinBobSaget
Most of these comments are about our defensive scheme and the fact that we give up so many open 3s. That is not the point of this data…the data is saying opponents are hitting the highest percentage of wide open 3s against the Knicks. In fact, the data shows we are about average in terms of the amount of wide open 3s we give up.
Not sure why this is the case though. Has always felt like players just go off in the garden. No idea if data backs that up.
Odysseus_Lannister
It might have something to do with leaving a substantial amount of WIDE OPEN 3 pointers.
QUINNFLORE
The only two stats on here that measure a team’s defense are def rating and wide open opp 3 per game.
The percentages only account for shots that are wide open. It is showing that when players are wide open (ie the defense has already collapsed) they shoot 12% better against us than they do against other teams.
A lot of people seem to be reading this as a slight against our 3PT defense, when it actually shows that we don’t give up a ton of wide open 3s relative to the league average. The takeaway here is that we have been significantly affected by luck to the tune of ~6 points per game.
xNaSaoNe
Good. Waste all the good shooting now before the playoffs.
NoProperty7528
Because they cannot guard anyone one on one.
Titaneuropa
Maybe they are a little more focused (or in the zone however you wanna call it) playing against knicks on the big stage.
biinroii01
we traded our best perimeter defender grimes
ThrowSumDeesOnIt
Part of it is second shot opportunities. We’ve really struggled to rebound the basketball on both ends without a fully healthy Hartenstein or Robinson. And our inability to contain dribble penetration without OG has made opponents’ 3P% worse due to kickouts.
Cautious-Ad-9554
luck
liebz11692
Luck
Tradeandworkout
It can be 1. just us being unlucky, or 2. the open 3’s we give up happen to be the easiest (the corners). Just based on the eye test and Thibs style, we do tend to guard inside out, and that leaves the corner threes open the most. When our longer defenders return, like OG, closing out on the corner three is easier.
OutsideAd1823
Even at our best, teams get a lot of open 3s against us. Our inside defense is way better than our perimeter defense. And a lot of time DVV especially misses rotations. I’m not worried though Knicks in 6
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FYI this data is just from February, our worst month. I’m not worried just genuinely curious
Maybe everyone’s known for years that you can get open 3s against the Knicks. Extra confidence boost.
Someone can correct me if I am wrong but its our defensive scheme. Thibs will and has always put emphasis on protecting the paint vs the 3pt line. This is nothing new and we bank on teams just missing. Its a big reason why this team struggles against stretch 5s for example because our bigs drop to protect the paint. We rarely adjust to the personnel we play against. Look at KP he typically goes off whenever he plays against us because of how we defend him
Thibs entire defensive scheme is hinged upon the speed at which defenders can go from the paint to contest a 3 pt shot on the perimeter. So there are two reasons we’re struggling with this:
1. People are too tired to do this effectively because they’re all playing 40+ minutes due to injuries
2. We’re playing slow players in Burks/Bojan who can’t do this effectively.
Both of these things will change once OG comes back
IIRC a few seasons ago Knicks opponents were shooting the lowest % on open 3s. Some of this is for sure on the defense but some of this is just how sports works
thibs favors interior D and tries to force teams to beat us with shooting (esp from the weak side)
being +10% over avg shouldnt matter when opps are hitting a low amt of total 3s tho? (2nd column)
also prob worth noting that in the span this is looking at (jan ’23–’24) we’re among the lowest opp ppg
Defense is crap because all players have been deceased
Have you watched the games? Everyone is a step slow to the ball right now. We give up an insane amount of open looks.
at the end of the day its the knicks 😅
We give lethal three point shooters way too much room. Also our help defense on screens is not good
Teams always go off on us from 3
Luck
It’s just variance in a 1 month sample size. Wide open 3s are basically all “luck” since it’s literally no defense, so this isn’t an indictment on our defense (looks like we’re middle of the pack in wide open 3s allowed).
Our defensive scheme, but that was fixed with OG. Now that he’s gone the same problem is happening again.
Most of these comments are about our defensive scheme and the fact that we give up so many open 3s. That is not the point of this data…the data is saying opponents are hitting the highest percentage of wide open 3s against the Knicks. In fact, the data shows we are about average in terms of the amount of wide open 3s we give up.
Not sure why this is the case though. Has always felt like players just go off in the garden. No idea if data backs that up.
It might have something to do with leaving a substantial amount of WIDE OPEN 3 pointers.
The only two stats on here that measure a team’s defense are def rating and wide open opp 3 per game.
The percentages only account for shots that are wide open. It is showing that when players are wide open (ie the defense has already collapsed) they shoot 12% better against us than they do against other teams.
A lot of people seem to be reading this as a slight against our 3PT defense, when it actually shows that we don’t give up a ton of wide open 3s relative to the league average. The takeaway here is that we have been significantly affected by luck to the tune of ~6 points per game.
Good. Waste all the good shooting now before the playoffs.
Because they cannot guard anyone one on one.
Maybe they are a little more focused (or in the zone however you wanna call it) playing against knicks on the big stage.
we traded our best perimeter defender grimes
Part of it is second shot opportunities. We’ve really struggled to rebound the basketball on both ends without a fully healthy Hartenstein or Robinson. And our inability to contain dribble penetration without OG has made opponents’ 3P% worse due to kickouts.
luck
Luck
It can be 1. just us being unlucky, or 2. the open 3’s we give up happen to be the easiest (the corners). Just based on the eye test and Thibs style, we do tend to guard inside out, and that leaves the corner threes open the most. When our longer defenders return, like OG, closing out on the corner three is easier.
Even at our best, teams get a lot of open 3s against us. Our inside defense is way better than our perimeter defense. And a lot of time DVV especially misses rotations. I’m not worried though Knicks in 6