Is It Time For The Chicago Bulls To GIve Up On A Lonzo Ball Return?

Is It Time For The Chicago Bulls To GIve Up On A Lonzo Ball Return?

You found yourself with another episode of Locked on bulls in today’s episode we’re going to be discussing the updates Lonzo ball situation and uh our thoughts of Lonzo ball will actually make a return back to basketball we’re going to talk about that plus going to talk about

And ask the question has Kobe white hurt his chances at most improved player of the year and can the Bulls get a win tonight against the Milwaukee Bucks we’re going to get into all that and more right after this you are locked on bulls your daily

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Bet that’s 150 bucks if your team wins visit f.com lockon to get started that being said Pat let’s go and get into it man Lonzo ball so it’s been an interesting 24 hours when it comes to Lonzo ball a little over 24 hours so Billy Donovan was interviewed asked

About Lonzo o ball he said that the planed rehab uh that they wanted Lonzo ball to be sprinting by now that he has not reached that uh you know kind of the same things that we’ve heard about Lonzo before uh kind of trying to ramp him up

He’s been doing some things uh shooting the ball doing some jogging I believe uh Billy Donovan said but he still is not he’s still behind basically where they want him to be at this point and considering that it’s now March that means that he’s basically two months

Behind where they expected him to be now about about 12 hours after after that came out Lonzo ball much like he did when Stephen A Smith was talking uh posted a video of him in an empty gym dunking the basketball um and that’s pretty much it no no real words or

Anything said I did see the video it did look like the rim was lower than normal but I’m not you know it is Lonzo Ball’s a tall guy maybe was a side Rim it was a side Rim Yeah that’s definitely was a side Rim man um what do you what do what

Do you make of all this new news and and stuff with Lonzo B there will be a point that Lonzo can get back to right there will be a a point in basketball Lonzo will be able to move to a certain level right the fact that every time we try to start him

Up running he can’t do that that is the problem that that Lonzo ball is dealing with it it’s not that Lonzo ball um will never be able to dunk a basketball again it’s not that Lonzo ball will never be able to um excuse me will never be able

To uh run on a court again it’s that will he be able to do it to an NBA level that’s the part that I have a ton of doubts on right that’s what we’ve consistently talked about with Lonzo and so for me do I think that he can get back to a

Point where maybe he can be a functioning basketball player maybe right but do I feel like we’re kind of heading towards another path of setback setback setback you know what we’re we’re we’re not going to push it we can’t we can’t force him to do something

That he’s not ready to do I do and and that’s the part that sucks the most right like that his career may be cut short by something that he has no control over um and I don’t care how many dunking videos he posts I don’t care how many one-legged uh squat videos

He posts right like it just it doesn’t seem like Lonzo is trending in the right direction no matter how much Lonzo sits there and tries to do the I’m coming back I’m going to be better than ever all it just doesn’t feel like every time

We get it feels like every time we get a report it’s not a positive one and and I agree with that and that’s much like I said over on Central is that you know I I get it he’s going to post his videos and you know dunking a ball

And and coming down on on a rim like you said a side Rim that’s one thing can you do it in NBA speed right that can you do that cutting like you are amazing Defender and a lot of that comes to moving laterally and so it come it comes

Down still to this fact that me and you have been telling people the surgery that Lonzo ball had is not a surgery that’s meant to get you back into High Level Sports it’s a surgery that’s meant to be able to say hey you can now go walk with your grandkids because

Typically elderly people get that surgery now lonzo’s still young um and and and that and like you said there will be a point to where you can get back on the basketball court but it’s it’s what level are you going to be able to perform because I mean technically

Right now like Michael Jordan could get on a basketball court yeah I mean like I mean like so like Hey listen it probably cooked like let’s be real he probably still got it if nothing else I guarantee you Michael can still shut somebody down defensively I guarantee you still can he got that

Old man at the wide game at very least that in that turnaround jumper is probably Elite right now um the one thing I know about Michael is Michael gonna hit you with that uh what was that up in Space Jam you throw the basketball to be well let me show you something and

He do wanted to whack his dunks outside he can still hit you with that much right there so it just listen I I really wish I really wish that we weren’t talking about I wish that we were talking about like hey lonzo’s lonzo’s on schedule he’s he’s probably

Set to make his appearance like whatever it is but it it it’s everything still pointing to it’s going to be a long difficult a road ahead Lonzo ball before he’s able to come back now the thing I’m going to throw to you this on this Pat

Is the Bulls still have the option of filing the career- ending injury exception which would clear Lonzo Ball’s $20 million contract off the books which could allow them to keep drum we talk a lot about how close they’re going to be to the luxury tax that could allow them

To keep drum that could allow them to to sign Patrick Williams still have the rest of their cap to do other things with at what point if you’re if you’re the Chicago Bulls front office if Lonzo is not ready to go do you say hey Lonzo

We love you we got to take care of business we got to file this career ending injury because the way the thing that I looked at and said I’m saying that uh a couple of weeks before the draft because you know with with the NBA draft happens before agency it takes

About 20 to 30 days to get that uh that exception filed because the NBA does have to apply an independent doctor to come and look at the Medicals they’ll make that determination but if he’s not ready to go to the point where I feel confident that by training camp he’s

Going to be a full participant I’m filing the career- ending injury exception about two weeks before the draft so it’s cleared before free agency what do you say Pat you should have been done it we shouldn’t be having this conversation right now you should have I mean like

It’s it it feels so like I loved when Lonzo played I loved watching him I love the style of point guard it is so it feels wrong to say because it feels like you’re doing somebody dirty but his body didn’t agree with what the contract is right that that’s really what it comes

Down to and guess what he’s been paid very well over the last few years to give you zero production to basically go out there and Rehab um it we should get paid I know you know but for the listeners if you don’t know if they do file that exception he still gets his

Full contract just yeah yeah so so he’s still getting all the money in in all of this right like but it’s something that you should have already done right this isn’t something that we should be in the last year of this thing still waiting maybe hopefully I like that that that to

Me speaks to the slow pace that AK is on right now and listen I I’ve compared it to the Jamal Murray situation where you know you saw what Jamal was you wanted to wait for Jamal to get back Jamal came back still was that guy and you end up

Going and winning a championship this is a very different surgery than what Jamal Murray went through um and you can’t count on he’s going to hit the like I don’t even think like the Jamal Murray like there were setbacks in the whole Jamal Murray situation but like it’s an

ACL you knew right okay it’s an ACL this is a modern uh uh uh this is modern medicine with this type of injury that has that people have come back from and run 2,000 yards in the NFL have come back from and have had 10 plus year NBA careers since

That I think Russ’s ACL tear was leg it might have legit been 10 years ago at this point well yeah because remember him and Derrick Rose T their acl’s within like two weeks of each other right so years it it it’s it’s probably actually it’s more than 10 years ago I

Guess then so like you you see guys who have who have come back from that that that’s more of a uh a logical Viewpoint to have with Jim mmer and yes the wait was a long time but it’s more of a logical Viewpoint to have it’s a regular

Injury this is not a regular injury he’s got another guy’s knee in his knee like they took a dead dude’s knee and was like this is now your knee we’re GNA return blood flow we gonna here you go boom walk it out like that’s not something you come back and play sports

From you gave the example of the uh uh the hockey player that got it like he’s the only other and he never played again he was just like I’m walking so like I this is this is it sucks that we have to have a conversation like this because AK should be

Putting Lonzo in this position at this point to where it’s like listen we we just keeping you around because we want you to be on an NBA team and I guess I don’t know maybe insurance and stuff I would assume insurance and stuff is different insurance is paying 80% of his

Contract but I think ultimately like but that wouldn’t have stopped like it’s still that still all that still applies like I get at this point it feels like AK is putting the human element first which okay I can only knock you again so far but at some point the business has

To catch up to it and right now you’re you’re potentially going into offseason where you’re right up against a luxury tax to where you may not be able to add anything to the team not must add you may have to lose Pieces Just by that nature you got to take care of business

At some point and I would even say this like even if Lonzo is cleared supposed on path to be cleared by training camp which right now he isn’t you still have to ask yourself is what Lonzo is going to be able to be even if he can get on

The court worth that or is it better for the Bulls to clear it let him go find another team keep in mind if the Bulls do use let’s say they they file a care Indy injury exception and they they they they sign somebody else with it if he’s

Able I can’t remember the number of games it’s like a number of games played if he does join another team he goes over that you gotta pay him it’s one year you gotta pay him right so I I I think at this point the risk versus the

Reward on it is like you you’ve made sure lonzo’s taken care of you’ve done your human element now make sure your team’s taken care of 100% And and listen the one thing I will say about Lonzo if he does come back can’t be worse than Javon

Carter that’s that’s it I I think he can wow wow I think he can wow but people make this shot when Lonzo passes out of a wide open layup though oh that’s true that’s no dispute never beating allegations um next next up we’re going to be talking

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Yeah I feel that I feel that shot man so we talked about Rec Kobe white in his performance bro um over the last now four games he’s shooting like 22% from three-point range uh you know between the fatigue the minutes play the way defensive ever adjusted on him he’s not been the same

Kobe white that he was even towards the end of January well middle of January kind of started telling off there about the end of January um do you think that Kobe white still has a chance to Mo most improved player of the year I think he’s still got a chance but

He’s got got to finish really strong I mean I think Tyrese Maxi is still the odds on favorite which feels wrong it it does like it still feels wrong to me because like Tyrese Maxi was really good but like the one thing I guess that

You no that’s a tough one it’s gonna be tough for him because coming out of the break Maxi has absolutely like flipped a switch here um I think going into the break he had like a 30-point game and coming out of the break he hasn’t scored

Less than 25 yet um assist numbers have been ridiculous um a couple of games there where the rebounding numbers really stood out to you as well I know versus the Knicks I think he had like a a 356 and five game if if he if we’re putting him in most improved player

Category which I I guess right like you look at the the points per game last year 20 points per game this year he’s up to 20 almost 26 points per game three point percentage is going the wrong direction shot percentage has gone the wrong direction but rebounding and

Assists have both gone in the right way like it’s it’s gonna be really tough for Kobe to catch up with that because I think his overall percentage at the end of the season if he doesn’t get out of this slump soon may come back down to earth to where you’re talking about a

Guy who was on a path to averaging probably 20 plus to finish the year maybe got 19.7 so yeah maybe ends up up averaging about 176 points per game so while that is still an improvement from the Kobe white that we saw last year is

That still as big of a jump yeah yeah I mean it’s unfortunate right but I mean we know the reasons why it happened like the minutes right now he’s at 19.3 points per game so that’s come down you know less than a point since from where he was two weeks ago

But your point is it correct he has to finish the season strong and hopefully you know now that we uh have started playing our three-point shooter let’s see if that continues to go today maybe they spread the ball around a little bit more uh yeah I know Billy Donan saw all

That hype that excitement he’s gotten Relish in it for 24 hours he’s literally going to see look at erot ba team uh at tomorrow tonight before the game and say hey man listen we appreciate what you did we need we need you to support your team from the just play here’s the tough

Part though right like because even so he’s going through a little bit of a slump but if you look at overall season and and you got to gauge it based on last season yeah Tyrese Maxi is going from 20 points per game to 25 points per

Game Kobe’s going from 10 points a game to 19 assist numbers from 2.8 to 5.3 right like there’s still like I think there’s still plenty of time for Kobe to win this but being where the Bulls are right now you know people are going to be more more focused on how

Philly is still winning games and Tyrese Maxi is cooking while that’s happening versus the Bulls who are still in the same position and you got a young guy who’s kind of stepping up and and picking up where Zack LaVine and and a lot of the injured players who have gone

Out have have have uh he he’s stepped up in those moments so it it’s kind of just about the perception of it I think Kobe still got a case for it but I do think his chances are probably they probably took a hit just to start definitely

Definitely now I mean listen we’ve seen players get themselves out of slumps before hopefully that can be Kobe white that he can work himself out while the Bulls also working themselves maybe out out of out of a slump but I mean it I don’t want that to take

Away from how good Kobe at White has been this season how much of a leap he has taken this season and I do think that from what we’ve seen from Kobe and the way that he puts in work in the off season he’s going to figure out hey I

Can’t keep letting defenses take the ball out of my hands like I did at the end of last season we’re going to see Kobe white come firing on all cers next year regardless so that’s a good thing and you know if he doesn’t win the award cool we still know that we still

Understand the season that Kobe White’s had he still had a great season for the Chicago Bulls and we came into the season hoping that one of the young players was going to take a leap and Kobe white has been that player to take a leap and I would assume who isn’t too

Far behind him either is there is there any case if I like IO had a tougher game last night but if IO keeps going at the pace that he’s on um the rest of the season he’s going to be in a starting role is there any case that could be

Made for maybe I dumu getting in that race I think this that he didn’t have we’re already talking about Kobe catching back up because of his slow start I don’t think that that iOS had has enough leeway to do it uh long enough for him to kind of get in that conversation I

Don’t think so the other guys that right now are in the conversation he’s at the top five right uh and listen the one that for some reason I I don’t know how he’s am I am I doing this backwards the the negative is the favorite right

Negative on gambling yes okay so I’m not doing is backwards no so these are a while to learn that too bro I just I be forgetting sometimes in my mind I don’t gamble it is what it is uh Tyrese Maxi right now is your favorite Kobe white is

Uh plus 850 Jaylen Williams is plus 1450 Jonathan kaminga plus 1700 alperin senon is plus 19900 right now he’s dropped all the way to the bottom of that list I would say now I’m just talking about getting in the conversation I don’t know if he can win it at this point he would

Have to go on a ridiculous run to win he would have to go on a Tyrese Maxi run what Tyrese is doing right now to win it right but Jaylen Williams Jonathan kaminga I think that he might be able to get in the conversation there uh um

Because here’s the thing I’m say I’m say against that bro you still as recently doubted have doubt around I dumu I don’t think the national media is gonna get in on I dumu somebody who watches the team every single day he’s still like ah I’m

Not too sure about the Zod dumu cat so I like I’m sure about who he is I’m just not sure if he that’s why I asked if he does it at the pace that he’s on If he if he keeps going I mean after the Detroit game he might be a little bit

Out of that right but he was on a he could have got himself back to a 50 40 90 type of player if he has a good game versus Cleveland if he keeps that like I I like the I like what io’s doing I just

Question how long he can do it but if he could do that I think he get into conversation but you’re right he said if somebody who watches the team every day feels like he’s not gonna win it come on now the way you just danced around that

M yeah I I tried I tried I tried to make it work I I tried to give a some help on that one dog never beat he’s never beat the allegations bro he’s never beat the allegations uh Hey man we we got to uh before we get into this final topic

Where we got to talk about can the Bulls go out there and get a win tonight hold up before we get into this final topic talking about can the Bulls get a win tonight ver the Milwaukee Bucks at 9 p.m. my time 10 p.m. Haze time what

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Easy all right Pat last topic of the day the Milwaukee Bucks on the docket man double overtime victory over the Cleveland Cavaliers the question I’m going to throw to you on this impact the designer is can the Bulls do it again this time against the Milwaukee Bucks

Can they get a win against one of the top teams in our conference and in our division uh yeah they can actually because the Milwaukee Bucks have yes they’ve been playing a little bit better as of late right but they have struggled under Doc Rivers the offensive rating

Has really gone into the tube for some reason I have no Source or anything I haven’t talked to anybody that covers the bucks or anything on this but I have to believe that somebody either Dame or Giannis and it wouldn’t make sense for Dame so probably Giannis doesn’t want to

Be the roller in a pick and roll because they just don’t use it bro it would seem to be the most sensible play that you can run in basketball and I’m not gonna lie to you Doc Rivers as bad as people think Glenn is he’s not stupid he may be

Bad at certain things he may got a 3-1 lead don’t trust him but he’s not stupid he had to walk in the room and go hey h why we not running pick a row I just I just want to know why aren’t we running pick a row it’s not it’s not Jan’s fault

It’s not Jan’s fault you I mean like he’s had to suggest that at least once and we haven’t seen them run at I mean like every now and then we see them running and it seemed like it would be the most deadly place so I do think the

Bucks are a very vulnerable team right now they’re coming off of a backtack on that as well they play Charlotte the night before um and yeah they dog walk Charlotte the first time I’m not Charlotte had 26 points going into the half bro that’s crazy Charlotte had 26

Points at half time remember when we scored 39 twice yeah remember that it was worse than that like and lamelo ball probably still was laughing on the bench like I think that the Bucks are going to be coming off of two games that are very easy and that’s going to make them very

Vulnerable and there still isn’t this Synergy with Giannis and Dame there just is and yeah defensively it’s gotten better it’s gotten an entire bucket better but they’re literally scoring the basketball get this Bulls fans worse than the Chicago Bulls right now and the Bulls didn’t score 100 points on the Pistons that’s

Crazy here’s what I’ll say to this I I I I I’ve learn to not go in with it comes to the Chicago Bulls with expectations of a win I just don’t do it anymore yeah CU whatever the worst thing that can happen respect it I’m just saying it’s

Possible yeah for sure the worst thing that can happen usually is what happens with the Chicago Bulls team um so with that said I really want to pick the T pick the Bulls to I really do this I but I can’t do it I like I I listen I

Know what the Bulls can do and I know we’re going to probably see drum and voo we’re going to see some of that lineup out there and we should in this type of game we talked about it this is the game I think mean you both were kind of like

Yeah this this makes sense to play that lineup against against this team yeah um and I think it may come down to how successful is that um lineup against the Milwaukee Bucks and shooting now here’s here’s the I guess here’s the only scary part right the the Bulls seem to be the

Team that everybody figures things out against if the Bucks do decide to run pick and roll I think it’s Unstoppable um you have to make a decision on trying to step up one day yeah or dropping back back on uh Giannis um the Bulls have literally two of the worst big men at

Pick and roll uh probably I don’t know percentage right but I would argue probably in the NBA they gotta be two of the worst pick and roll defenders in the league like drum and B um and the problem with that is even if you decide to play off right and uh uh

Um then you allow Damien Lillard to shoot to three even if you decide to play up now you get uh Giannis being able to drive to the rim even if you bring somebody behind right like say you got somebody covering Brook Lopez or Bobby poris you have them sag off so

That they’re trying to get the Giannis at The Rim to contest which is just gonna end in a dunk if Giannis kicks that out to a wide open Bobby poris or Brook Lopez a day those are the easiest shots they’re going to see all season and we already know we have a struggle

Uh rotating defensively so I I would say caution to the wind uh um with the offense tonight because you need to put up as many points as possible because if if any team looks at The Scouting Report and goes yeah we got vvi and Drummond tonight Common Sense would tell you to

Run pick and roll all night but we haven’t seen the Bucks use a lot of common sense this season so maybe the Bulls can pull it out you know I mean you’re you’re dropping logic there they they don’t use a whole lot of common sense that is that

Is very accurate description there um so I mean it is a possibility like like I said the Bulls can win this game they can be in this game right we know that they can we’ve seen the Bulls they can compete with anybody when they’re actually focused and locked in they can

Um it’s just just betting on the Chicago Bulls like do things two games in a row well it’s like hey man what what are we go what what team’s showing up tonight right yeah I I mean but here’s here’s what sucks usually the team the yes yes the team yes the team

Does suck but usually the teams that they decide to step up against are the teams like this the teams at the top of the this is true this is very true the the Bulls I don’t even know how how can we say like the Bulls in theory play

Down to their competition but how do you play down to your competition when you’re down I’m still trying to figure that out uh I’m trying to see uh Bulls bucks uh this season how because the Bulls are one and or two and one against the Bucks is this our third

Game or our second game versus the Bucks ah I I know I’m probably mixing in part of last season okay let’s see here we go um oh no that went all the way back to 2015 why now why would I want that stat what like I hate when sites do that did

You want this information from 2004 why would I want that uh so the Bucks beat the Bulls their first meeting 118 109 this season um oh yeah yeah that makes sense uh 118 109 this season second meeting Bulls won 120 113 third meeting bucks won 13329 if I’m

Not mistaken overtime on that one right yes Bulls end up going to overtime on that one so tying the season series for the Bulls would not surprise me would neither um here’s the thing I’m you know what this is what I’ll say with this game not that I have expectations for

The Bulls to do anything this game but I will say this like you you said it this is the type of game that the Bulls do show up in this the type of game that they surprise and they all of a sudden they look like that team that can make

Go on a playoff run that we and we’re going to be stuck there looking like where was this at the last 10 games right um I think because I I do think that I for some reason I’m gonna have faith that I I mean not I would assume

That Kobe white gets back in Rhythm this game as well I think Kobe gets back in rhythm in this game and he and and hopefully he rides it out for the rest of this season but I do think that this Vu and drum generates so many extra

It’s such a it’s such a conundrum with that lineup because it’s so bad everywhere else but those extra possessions just look so good bro you just got to make shots off of them yeah it’s like come on man struggle dog it’s literally the Bulls do everything with that lineup well except score the

Basketball it’s such a weird thing now here is what’s interesting with uh with the bulls um verse matchup Damen Lillard in his five games versus I dumo and I’s been matched up with him on a lot of in a lot of these games and I would assume he ends up matched up on

Um probably in this game I would think you wouldn’t put him on Chris Middleton I would think you’d put him on Damen Lillard um first game versus the Bulls 22- 10 solid game played 40 minutes went to overtime hits the game winner we all remember that right um actually he did

It twice in Portland I want to say next game 45 and five put it on his head pause take that for what you will since he’s been in Milwaukee though in 32 minutes 123 and five in 43 minutes 185 and 13 nice game assisting uh in 41

Minutes 144 and N I’s done a good job on Dame since he’s been in Milwaukee that may be a matchup to keep an eye on there if if you want to focus in on anything um he that we didn’t see Dame Lillard take over any of those games the way

That we thought we might see but if I believe every single one of those games was under Adrien Griffin so does Doc Rivers make a difference here can you trust Glenn that’s a nobody trusts Glenn but nobody trusts Glenn nobody TR Glenn we’ll see man we’ll see it’s going

To be a fun game man that’s what the blls down to this is going to be a real fun game for the Bulls um well hopefully it is or it won’t you I mean that’s kind of how that’s how this season’s going hey Detroit should be a fun game oh wow

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