Miami Heat: Tyler Herro, a sure starter upon return? (PART 1) | Five on the Floor

Miami Heat: Tyler Herro, a sure starter upon return? (PART 1) | Five on the Floor

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I’m Ethan skullnick you can follow me Ethan J skullnick and at five reason Sports I got Brady Hawk you can follow me at Brady Hawk 305 and we just decided we’re gonna pot about what everybody’s talking about so the Miami Heat are playing well we know that

They’re going on a two- game Road Trip to Oklahoma City and Dallas actually Dallas is first but the news came down today that neither Kevin Love nor Tyler herro will make the trip love was not a surprise I spoke to him before the game yesterday and he told me that he’s still

Sore making progress he’s close but not quite ready we didn’t hear specifically from Tyler hero but now this is another lengthy absence for hero this time it is the foot and of course that’s leading to more conversation about what the starting back cour should be when it is that Tyler finally returns

Because the heat are playing well without him again and one guy in particular is playing well and that’s Duncan Robinson and so Brady and I are G to try to have a nuanced thoughtful discussion on a topic that has everybody all riled up because it’s just it’s the

Most toxic topic I would you agree with on that Brady is this the most toxic heat topic this season oh 100% you you better claim one side like you have to be you cannot be Middle Ground even though I feel like I’m pretty middle ground on it like you

You’re you better lean one way right and neither of us really do so we’re gonna actually try to work through this together Brady’s gonna handle more of the stats and the basketball part of this although I’ll bring some of it and I am G to bring some of the other

Factors that are involved because I’ll just State this from the beginning I have said all along that I expected Tyler hero to retain his starting job no matter what what I still think he’s going to retain his starting job the question is whether he should and these are really two

Different questions what the heat will do and what they should do so we’re going to try to work through this with the understanding that we’re now at the point where we’re under 20 games left in the regular season the hero bam Butler combination is still under 500 this season on a team that’s

Nine games over 500 so I do think at the very least this is legitimate conversation to have to ask the question is there enough time at this stage to get Tyler back into to the starting lineup make adjustments to what they’ve been doing recently and win and feel confident about the direction that

They’re going going into the playoffs so I waited as long as I could on this because I kept saying Tyler’s going to start when he comes back but we’re getting closer to the end Point here we’re in the middle of March almost and I don’t know when he’s coming back and I

Don’t know what they’re going to look like when he does and other guys have emerged in his absence and not that this is going to affect it but they’ve added a couple of guards and dlon Wright and now Patty Mills Josh Richardson out for the season with a separated shoulder so

Some things have changed but what hasn’t changed is that Tyler herro is the two attack of aloa of the Miami Heat he’s by far the most polarizing figure so we’re going to touch on it with Tyler but Bray we’re also going to touch it in the context of the total back court because

This is not an either or and the way I’m just going to throw this poll out here today because this will tell you kind of where Heat fans are and then let’s get into some of again the Optics and and what goes into this decision making here

I pulled this a couple hours ago it’s already got 1500 votes these polls don’t typically get 1500 votes in an hour okay so this is what has on everybody’s mind what should the Heat’s back court be when all are healthy Rosier hero Rosier Robinson hero Robinson or something else what do you

Think is leading probably Duncan and Terry 61% okay that feels right 60 61% so roughly what eight to 900 of the 13,400 votes so far have gone this way this is an unscientific poll but we go to heat Twitter this is where the most passionate Heat fans are most polarized

Passionate Heat fans are and they are in favor of Rosier Robinson at 61% what do you think is second hero Duncan no hero Roser okay so that’s at 22% hero and Robinson is at 15% so and then something else is at 2% and then some in the comments underneath

Mentioned making Caleb a starting guard um which you know again we talked position list I mean Caleb could be a guard he could be a forward he could be uh virtually anything I I want to say he’s not going to be a center with SPO but you never know um so essentially

37% want hero to start when he’s back okay if you combine herro Robinson and hero Rosier which are the two most likely situations and this is a guy who’s averaging 20 points this season um who has improved various aspects of his game over the course of his time in

Miami who signed a relatively lucrative contract who the Miami Heat clearly value because they’ve only offered him up or so they say for two players who were top 75 all time one of whom is probably top 25 all time and Kevin Durant and who they were frustrated that

His value was not perceived to be higher by the Blazers by the media and by other teams this off season so the fact that 61% or more don’t want him to start is newsworthy and a lot of this is because of frustrations with particular parts of his game particularly the efficiency

Some of it is related to fit and some of it is related to the fact that he was a really really good six man and so there’s a feeling that if he goes back to that to running the bench that will help the heat because they had their

Best regular season record the year that he was the six man BR I’m gonna get into the Optics of this and everything that goes into it but I just from your perspective where do you stand on the debate in the macro like overall like so I understand why there’s so much of a

Want for Duncan to start it makes sense for this time of season when Jimmy’s playing this brand of basketball when he has the ball in his hands a lot more and you have a guy that that plays mostly off ball and kind of bail you out of

Certain positions but he also now has seen an uptick on on the ball and he’s been really good at it like I put out a stat today where like there’s like 59 players that have taken 100 plus pullup threes one of those players is shooting 44% no player is shooting 45% and

Duncan’s shooting 46% 46% on pull-up three so it’s like you have this guy that is supposed to be this off ball guy that doesn’t get in the way of your offense and he’s become this guy that you that can kind of be a trigger for

Your offense so when you have a guy that that is a rhythm player that that you kind of is is hot and cold at times that can play that style and he’s hot right now I think there’s just a want that he needs to be on the floor and he needs to

Play uh I guess start when they’re kind of playing well the issue I have with it Ethan is like I think on the to play Devil’s Advocate a little bit this idea that they just went on this run this this when they turned it around after losing streak because Duncan is starting

Is like totally false like we cannot just play this game where it’s like they’ve just played better since this point like they started playing better after the losing streak and I think they went seven- two before Tyler got injured and one of the losses was the one game

That Tyler didn’t play so after the seven game losing streak they went seven- one with Tyler started um so they started playing good basketball before that point like way before Tyler went down but the issue is now to your point is the availability factor and I think that’s the part that’s warranted like

You get to a point where there’s just this thought process the fact that you you know what happened in the past and now it’s getting back to the playoff time and you’re still one of the lineups we’re talking about Ethan is the the I brought it up to you before we started

Was the Rosier Tyler Jimmy yic ban like that lineup is the one we’re kind of debating is it Duncan or or Tyler in this instance that lineup that I just said didn’t has not played a minute theyve not played a minute this year part of that is because yic wasn’t

Playing when they were running the Tyler Terry lineups uh but we just haven’t seen it so it’s like it’s just funny that we’re we’re at this point but I think the macro is that it is warranted because Duncan is playing really good basketball and then you know we did a

Podcast recently about closing lineups and I think it’s also warn to the fact that you know you were talking and having the these discussions that Duncan could be a closer like that’s just how good he’s been but let me just say one thing really quickly is that

Like if let’s just say that the last two or three games Duncan was kind of a no-show or let’s just say the last two games this wouldn’t even be discussion probably like if Duncan just had two two iffy Gam games it would be like okay Tyler’s going to come back and have his

Starting lineup but it’s just like now because Dy kind of had another masterful kind of couple games and he’s in this Rhythm right now that this is the discussion we’re having so a little bit of it is recency bias like a little bit

Of it but I think a it still needs to be said that they’re you know they’re in a rhythm like they have Duncan in this spot why as you say there’s noise in all these numbers right because there’s so many variables like who’s in who’s out

Who are they playing you know what’s the tone of the team at the time but there is all this backstory and part of the backstory is they made a run to the finals last year with Tyler hero not playing and I’ve made the case that they could have used him against Denver but

I’ve also made the case that it probably made them e it easier at times for them to get to the finals because things were streamlined for them they got to the playoffs and it was give the ball to Jimmy and get the hell out of the way

And who needs to get out of the way the most somebody who has high usage and so Jimmy went when Tyler wasn’t there and it worked up until they got to the finals when Jimmy was hobbled a little bit tired and they could have used someone who could make some

Mid-range shots and some floaters and giv them an additional scoring option and so again there’s context to all of this but you mentioned the Duncan factor and we’re going to get more into the ti of thing specifically but I do think we need to mention it uh as it relates to

Duncan and how it affects his play because we’re constantly talking about how this affects Tyler right well Tyler Tyler stated in a question that I asked back in 2022 after the 2022 season believe it was in early June Greg it was retweeted out today because people found

The Tweet okay where I asked him about starting and he had an answer ready for the question he wasn’t offended by the question he wanted to say it he said I believe I’ve earned the right to be a starter he made that declaration after winning Sixth Man of the Year after all

He won the biggest award you can win as a reserve right so he believed that it was it was his time to be a starter and his time to get a contract and he got both okay and we always talk about it like would he accept this would they be

Able to talk to him the way that say spol should talk to drage or talk to Wade or talk to others or pop talk to Manu right we never talk about it like how it affects Duncan and the numbers are Stark in terms of the difference in

Duncan’s play when he starts and when he comes off the bench you know they are first thing for the team they’re 18 and when Duncan starts they’re 19 and 17 when Tyler starts so they’re much better when Duncan starts now some of that is starting together obviously the numbers

Don’t add up exactly right because they they’ve started some games together but 18 and six I mean that’s it’s a in the macro it’s a hard number to argue with and then if you look at Duncan splits as a starter this year 24 games 49% overall

46% from three 163 and for his numbers again adjusted he plays more minutes as a starter 32 games off the bench he’s shooting 42% overall and 36% from three he is an elite elite elite shooter as a starter he’s pretty good as a reserve that’s what the numbers say this year

And so I think as we move forward and talk about Tyler and how it affects him and then we’ll get into the Terry Rosier part of this I do think you got to consider do you lose some of Duncan’s productivity not starting him and that’s where I’ve

Started to come around on this a little bit that and the fact that Tyler has not been around to work through the Kinks that they’ve had to deal with this season with him Jimmy and Bam where it has not been a perfect fit no matter how

Spoler staggered it or any of the rest of that stuff and we’ve talked about the different staggering and taking Jimmy out and bringing Tyler in and all the rest of this the one thing we know worked was a couple seasons ago when Tyler was running the bench we know that

Worked okay and we’re going to get into some of the metcs of what it looked like and kind of what Tyler’s numbers have been with various players and who brought them down and who didn’t bring them down in recent years but I do I do want to mention the Duncan part because

You’re getting a lesser Duncan when he comes off the bench you just are and we always talk about okay how is Duncan affecting the other players well how is the bench roll affecting Duncan and there does seem to be either more T maybe it takes him longer to get going

Or he’s more tentative or maybe there’s less confidence or whatever but it’s having an it does have an impact on him so we’re going to get into that all right after the break though I want to get into the Tyler part of it specifically uh with Brady and

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It’s the discussion that never stops on #HeatTwitter, so Ethan Skolnick and Brady Hawk attempt to get away from the anger and add some context and nuance. Should Tyler Herro, still out with a foot injury, be guaranteed a starting spot upon his eventual return? Or do the statistics and team record suggest that Duncan Robinson has earned that role? And, finally, is there any way to start them together?

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