[Rowan] I’ve posted updates to these a few times over the last two years. Updated my chart last night. Bit of a manual process but here’s the core 4 data from the last two years combined courtesy of @cleantheglass. Pretty sure I’ve covered every relevant combo.
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Additional chart of just the guards from Justin
https://preview.redd.it/9uya6vn65u0d1.jpeg?width=828&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=115b5e1ba94a3a3a8dfcb28a8a0798dbd1999588
I would like to see playoff numbers as well, because that seems to be where we all feel the guard pairing falls apart. No doubt we found plenty of regular season success. In general, I find the big conversation a lot tougher though, because I really like JA.
My takeaway from this is the Mobley/Allen lineups work with Mitchell but not Garland. I’m not ready to give up on that pairing yet. If I’m the front office, I’m more willing to move Garland than Allen given how good Allen’s contract is
I mean, idk. It’s just gonna have to depend on what deals we can make and with which teams. Finding starting wings is not exactly the easiest thing in the world.
I think JA is gonna end up the odd man out. It pains me to say it cuz I love the guy (and I don’t wanna buy a new jersey), but he’s the most logical to move.
What wings can we even get. I’d love to get Mikal but can’t imagine Brooklyns gonna sell him. Sucks cuz he’d be such a good fit.
Based on this (and emotions). I’m willing to give the core 4 a new season with tight leash and new coaching staff (FROM TOP TO BOTTOM CHANGE EVERYTHING)
I think a better coach can make this work, with better lineups and offensive Xs n Os.
The split between Garland/Mobley working and Mitchell/Allen work is clear as day here as it is in other analysis.
Imo, the choices are:
– keep everyone together (if you can)
– build around either of those two parings, move on from the other
– change the style of offense so if Mitchell stays Mobley can be better utilized.
Garland is getting wayyy too much hate around here.
Need to see this for just playoffs. I think the core four is amazing in the regular season. In the playoffs I don’t know who Garland is anymore.
Please remove all regular season data and repost. Post season is what matters
The problem with playing two non-shooting bigs is far more pronounced in the playoffs (and it is compounded when Okoro plays). It’s a playoff problem, not a regular season problem.
I don’t think it is coincidence at all that Mobley has been at his best offensively when he was the only big in the Celtics series.
Two non-shooting bigs will not work in the playoffs. It just won’t. It hurts the interior offense for both bigs, it hurts spacing for shooters, and it hurts driving lanes for Mitchell.
The data are clear that it works in the regular season – but it’s also clear to everyone that it’s not a workable way to win in the playoffs.
Perhaps Mobley (or Allen I suppose) can become a high volume three-point shooter but that seems unlikely and it would be working against the strengths of both players.
This is why, assuming that we keep Mitchell and trade Garland, trading Allen over Mobley is a much harder decision than it seems
I trust Altman, he’s done great things for the team to date, plays the market well. We continue to advance as a team and I don’t expect that to change. Better to be patient and add talent and fix the coach before making star player movement.
So much of this depends on whether Donovan wants to stay or not.
Can’t argue with numbers. Time to ship mobley out for a biggie bag.
If mobley can hit jumpers including threes we should keep him.
I TOLD YOU
At some point it’s not a numbers thing. It’s a team construction and matchup thing. Which is what matter most in the post season. If we’re playing 2 bigs one of them has to be able to shoot. If we’re playing 2 small guards one of them has to work off ball a lot. I’m not sure how much pointing to regular season numbers really matters here
This is my problem with people saying we trade Garland and Allen.
Garland works well with Mobley and Mitchell works well with Allen. The numbers show this clearly.
I think if we are trading Garland we need to keep Allen and get Mobley to keep working on that 3 point shot
The narrative for these numbers is flawed. Too many variables to just go by simple combinations.
Biggest takeaway: for some reason I’m not smart enough to pinpoint, Garland works great with Mobley and not with Allen, while Mitchell works great with Allen but not with Mobley. And you’ve got a decent amount of data to support all of those pairings. Seems like you’ve gotta use that info to influence this off-season.
There are potential opportunity cost questions here where trading one or two of the players will net a new starting five with a better net rating overall. Like adjust the curve completely